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« Reply #90 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 11:14am »

As far back as September it was known about these documents..In fact the very suspects were on front cover of Isis magazine

Recall Swamp posted this September...
140 TODAY'S OFF-TOPIC NEWS / Re: At the borderline. on: 09/17/2015 at 17:30:54
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PASSPORT TO TERROR: MailOnline reporter buys Syrian papers being sold to ISIS fighters sneaking into Europe hidden among refugees
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Its not that intelligence failed..it was common sense that vaporized a long time ago..
and we are supposed to run to our guardians and throw more money at them for more of this?
HELL NO!

The Russians should just finish what they started..because by now those hell bent on keeping Isis are doing nothing but buying them more time to regroup. Take their oil money machine with Turkey out..AS Syria is still state..Grant Kurds total Autonomy before Turkey cleans their clock out from the sky..Syria would be smaller..but remain viable..and many refugees would come back
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« Reply #91 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 1:23pm »

Shocking posts, Sys! So, defeating IS is not a purely military problem. They're all playing a nice game of chess....


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P.S. if anyone asked me tonight, right now as I'm running fingertips across the keys, I'd say (simply) wiping Islamic State off the face off the earth, as physical 'Caliphate' would suffice, count as a 'win'. This inevitably would involve killing many of these fighters, but I feel no need to kill them to the last man. Rendering them ineffective, once more stateless, kept busy running/hiding for their lives is enough of a 'kill' to my way of thinking.


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« Reply #92 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 5:54pm »

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... Resist the temptation to go for 100% security. Or else we'all will be waking up one morning in the secular version of IS.

Like I said, I think focus is needed on the bad guys, any potential terrorists before they strike.


These two sentences are somewhat contradictory.

You need the security to know who is likely to be the bad guy.

I was in Berlin (in the army) in the sixties. We used to go into East Berlin via the well known Check Point Charlie. So I have direct experience of what it was like in an oppressive regime.

I do not advocate anything like this.

All I want is for EVERYONE to be identifiable.

And I want people to stop thinking that it is an infringement of some highfaluting human right for the countries security forces to ask you why you are where you are. Providing that they have some reason to suspect you may be up to no good.

And, I suppose, I think it would be a good idea for the police to occasionally do random checks of passengers on trains and at snap road check points.

Nothing invasive. Just a quick look at your ID card.

"Mornings Sir/Madam, your ID please"

"I see, you don't have it with you ?"

"As you know it is a requirement to carry it at all times you will be escorted to where ever the document is. And you will receive a small fine and it will be added to your file"

(I've miles and miles of files, pretty files)

"So, if you will accompany the officer we can get this cleared up. Yes, I do know it is very inconvenient, but if you had the card with you, as you know you should, this would not be happening, would it?"

Who can find fault with that ?

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« Reply #93 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 6:10pm »

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... Stands to reason they'll at some point in time will obey their God...

Here you have illustrated the whole problem. It is a breakdown in logic.

These people (of any faith) are not obeying their God.

They are acting upon a message given to them by people who claim to be given the word of God.

If there was ever a proven example of any God having passed on any message to anyone than there may be grounds for further investigation.

But there isn't.

It's all a big power game. Control of the masses.

There is no God. And the sooner people realise that and just get on with there lives the better off we will all be.

Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Mohammed, Ali, non of them even claimed to be God; Though Jesus claimed direct descent. There were all just people.

End of atheist rant.

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« Reply #94 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 7:23pm »

No more worries about ISIS. They PO'd the wrong organization. Anonymous has a French background. They are declaring all-out war on ISIS.
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« Reply #95 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 7:54pm »

6-on Nov 16th, 2015, 7:23pm, Swamprat wrote:
No more worries about ISIS. They PO'd the wrong organization. Anonymous has a French background. They are declaring all-out war on ISIS.

That's interesting too Swamp..Assad has the Syrian Electronic Army..The Ruskies have ..well you know what they did to Georgia..Then China and Iran..Putin Revealing sources of money..some people will wake up to empty accounts..off shore or not..unless they hide it in mattresses.. grin

In fact..Lets check out the links that displayed the dos attacks and see where the board is lit up! shocked
Just issue a universal declaration if you find their money you can keep it ..donate half to war children and keep other half tax free!


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http://map.norsecorp.com/

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This is BS! Turkey doesn't even show up..I am sure the old timers here remember alligat0r the Azi Turk who took UCB down when he hacked Topcities domain..
Only US France Saudis getting a rather mediocre bath compared to past times..

Dos attacks are simplest tool among others in a hackers arsenal..this does not look like a cyber war to me at all..
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I call BS
what I do see is the empty suits in various Parliaments calling for more power and constitutional changes and blaming Snowden..unbelievable!
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« Reply #96 on: Nov 16th, 2015, 9:48pm »

This

This is really interesting..

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looks like to me we are bombing the wrong country cool
Explains the Dos map too.
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« Reply #97 on: Nov 17th, 2015, 06:10am »

Is there an accurate correlation between IS supporters and Twitter uses ? Or does it reflect the proportion of each countries population that has access to Twitter ?

I am a bit surprised that the UK appears above Tunisia.

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« Reply #98 on: Nov 17th, 2015, 06:15am »

From 'The Unwritten Rules of PhD Research' : M Petre, G Rugg. Open University Press.

...A good research question reduces the problem space in an area. This means that the answer, whatever it is, eliminates one set of plausible possibilities. The next question will then further reduce the problem space, and so on, until there is only one sensible explanation for the problem which corresponds with the facts...


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« Reply #99 on: Nov 17th, 2015, 9:37pm »

Hi Hal..what actually would reduce the space is nobody bomb at all..I find inconsistencies in both infographics..and agree..twitter is inflated and both twitter and facebook have been caught inflating their own number, ergo the data is flawed and is like the compounding of errors and getting a correct answer..not the best basis for sound decision making.
Anonymous claims 5500 Isis accounts shut down....How can we observers verify this, any more than the wH say it bombed 116 targets and on vetting..the senior military who would know says he is not aware of any such thing happening..Frankly..from Sys Unwritten Rules for Safe Surfing.. I don't trust anyone/data with absolutes and proper context..we are on same page....now here is a twitter post reporting that Turkish Fans booed and chanted during a one minute of silence for the Parisians..

https://twitter.com/zaidbenjamin/status/666751680583761924/video/1

Must be some hard feelings involved there from somewhere..could it be wwI when the ottoman Empire , aka, sick man of Europe.., lost a lot of lands and carved up artificially to what it is today? Just curious..anywho..its a sad statement of the times..a lot of innocent will die, way over a million since bush with the help of the Saudis lit the match and subsequent leaders kept fanning the flames..
With current data unreliable..we look at the reliable proven data to extrapolate and interpolate to to get a good intelliguess what is really happening..History..not His Story algorithmically social media changing archives..ever manipulated.adapted .for their needs not ours..

Say..on a side note Hal check out Ergodan here in the same thread..it was one of my very personal WTF moments. You know Ergodan is a mystic fanatic..probably sees himself as restoring the ottoman empire ..whats fascinating his approach to the Kurds..Did you know the great conqueror Saladin..was a kurd? That is perhaps..his greatest fear..certainly..they are pound for pound as resilient as Isis..Their women too!

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« Reply #100 on: Nov 18th, 2015, 3:01pm »

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We need to remember what happened to the Ottoman Empire. Let's hope we don't have to do it all again.

....now here is a twitter post reporting that Turkish Fans booed and chanted during a one minute of silence for the Parisians..

When this Parisian killing was going down I was watching the BBC live coverage. The announcer said that someone had sent in pictures of the 'Jungle' at Calais. it was in fire.
She also said that this was uncorroborated news and they were looking into it. A few minute later she came back and told us that these were old pictures and it wasn't happening.

So we can see how someone was trying to use the Paris situation to rack up the situation. Fortunately, it didn't work this time.

On a different subject.

I was watching an item about the plane load of Syrians who have just come to the UK. To Scotland to be exact.

It must be one hell of a culture shock to them.

They leave Jordan, some have never been on a plane. They fly across Europe on what must have been quite a bumpy ride due to the prevailing high winds.
Then, after wobbling down through the murk they arrive in a soggy airport, the wind is still picking up, the temperature is going down and it is going to snow in the next few days.

I can imagine the feelings.

You have to be desperate to leave home for that.

Anyway, best of luck to them.

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We need to remember what happened to the Ottoman Empire. Let's hope we don't have to do it all again.

....now here is a twitter post reporting that Turkish Fans booed and chanted during a one minute of silence for the Parisians..

When this Parisian killing was going down I was watching the BBC live coverage. The announcer said that someone had sent in pictures of the 'Jungle' at Calais. it was in fire.
She also said that this was uncorroborated news and they were looking into it. A few minute later she came back and told us that these were old pictures and it wasn't happening.

So we can see how someone was trying to use the Paris situation to rack up the situation. Fortunately, it didn't work this time.

On a different subject.

I was watching an item about the plane load of Syrians who have just come to the UK. To Scotland to be exact.

It must be one hell of a culture shock to them.

They leave Jordan, some have never been on a plane. They fly across Europe on what must have been quite a bumpy ride due to the prevailing high winds.
Then, after wobbling down through the murk they arrive in a soggy airport, the wind is still picking up, the temperature is going down and it is going to snow in the next few days.

I can imagine the feelings.

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You have to be desperate to leave home for that.

Anyway, best of luck to them

I join you in that..

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« Reply #102 on: Nov 19th, 2015, 2:45pm »

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...What about the picture of Ergodan and Barry..

If a picture says a thousand words....

There again, even pictures are open to interpretation.

This whole business of Turkey is very problematic. They claim a secular government, yet have a strong Islamic background.
They have been fighting with the Kurds for years; way back past when the Kurds were just considered to be northern Iraqis. Now we are in the position of the Kurds fighting alongside us as the more effective ground force against isis, yet Turkey is still fighting the Kurds. It's hard to see the logic in this. Of course, there isn't much logic in the whole affaire.

For instance, where are all the new vehicles that isis parade coming from ? They are, on the larger scale, surrounded by countries who are against them. So how do the logistics work, and why do we not simply cut the route. Same goes for their finances. How can it be that they are supposed to be exporting oil ? Surely one of the first things to do is cut off their supply and export routs.
Maybe a check of a few high powered bank accounts will be of interest.
I don't see why Merkel would want closer ties with Turkey. Turkey is to Germany as Pakistan is to England, and Algiers (plus other North African states) is to France. It has a problem with Turkish immigrants. Maybe this explains why so many of the New Wave migrants are heading for Germany.
Turkey is just a quick drive from Northern Europe. I've done it; didn't take long. It is also a popular vacation destination for UK and European holiday makers. But it is a bit risky and not somewhere I would choose to spend a week.
Turkey will never be accepted into the EU as long as Greece can keep them out. Problem is that it has a long border.

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« Reply #103 on: Nov 19th, 2015, 5:20pm »

Thanx for the input Hal it adds a sorely missed dimension of depth to the discussion..when you have the done footwork..and have been there to see for yourself..
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« Reply #104 on: Nov 19th, 2015, 6:55pm »

A religion of Love ?

Islam proclaims itself to be a religion of love. It doesn't take much to take this statement apart.

Let's us take the case of the British engineer who was jailed in Saudi Arabia for having alcohol in his car.

He knew the risk, and he knew he shouldn't be doing it. So he got jailed. He didn't get flogged.

So far so straight forward. When in |Rome do as the Romans do; or don't do.

Let's dig a bit deeper.

He got twelve month.

Four for having the alcohol.

Eight for intending to supply it to friends. This bit is most important.

You see, Islam considers it a bit like corrupting youth. Inciting them to evil. By giving someone alcohol you are encouraging them along a path to degradation etc. So they punish it more than the actual fact of having alcohol and drinking it yourself.

So it begs the question.

Why do so many Muslims in the west run shops that sell alcohol ?

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