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« Reply #3060 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 07:32am »

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« Reply #3061 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 07:55am »

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Seeing a UFO ruined Dale Spaur’s life

How do we decide what to believe?

Ben Wolford
9 January 2018

All the articles about UFOs over the last month got me thinking about a dramatic flying saucer sighting that happened near where I grew up.

“If I could change all that I have done in my life, I would change just one thing. And that would be the night we chased that damn thing. That saucer.”

That’s what Dale Spaur told a reporter in the autumn of 1966, six months after he saw a large, metal aircraft hovering over his police cruiser on the side of a highway. It was 5 a.m. and dark out, but there was no mistaking it. The thing was 40 feet across, shaped like a saucer and only about 150 feet above them, creeping over the treetops and bathing the street below in bright, white light. His partner, Wilbur Neff, saw it, too. So did dozens of other people, including law enforcement officers in four counties. Police radios across Northeast Ohio and Western Pennsylvania were abuzz that night with talk of a flying saucer.

Feeling a bit spooked, Spaur called the radio operator at the Portage County Sheriff’s Office. “It’s perfectly still,” he said, “and it just makes a humming noise.”

The dispatcher ordered him to keep an eye on it. So he did. Spaur threw the car in gear, and they took off after it east down U.S. Route 224. They hit speeds of 103 mph as they followed the slowly rising saucer toward dawn. Near the Pennsylvania line, a local police officer saw the saucer then saw the two deputies screaming after it. So he joined the chase.

Spaur ran his tires bald and his gas tank dry in Conway, Pennsylvania, just as the sun was appearing over the horizon. The three officers pulled into a gas station and watched with another cop as the aircraft ascended straight up into the sky. The papers went crazy. The Associated Press picked up the story, and it went national. Even though many people saw the UFO, Spaur became the main witness. It was Spaur’s saucer.

I can understand why that happened. For one, he was the driver. He’s the one who chased it 86 miles. Two, Spaur was clear and articulate about what happened. He gave multiple accounts of the incident to reporters and investigators, and his testimony was consistent. But maybe the biggest reason Spaur got singled out is because he kept telling the story while the other cops backed away.
“I’d rather not talk about it,” Gerald Buchert, the chief of police for the village of Mantua, told a Cleveland Plain Dealer reporter. “It’s something that should be forgotten…left alone. I saw something, but I don’t know what it was.”

The Air Force had a program at the time called Project Blue Book. Until the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program began in 2007, this was the highest-level government effort to identify UFOs. They spent $20 million between 1952 and 1969 investigating UFO reports around the country. Spaur’s sighting was one of them, and the case files were made public when Blue Book shut down.
The head of Blue Book at the time was man named Hector Quintanilla, a straight-laced Air Force major who referred to “UFO buffs” in his memoir as “people [who] have ceased to live in our real world.” He worked at a drab desk in an office at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, with a poster of the solar system tacked to the wall behind him. He had more work than he could handle, especially between 1965 and 1967. He described the rash of UFO sightings during those three years as mass hysteria, and he might be right.

Quintanilla’s office was getting three saucer sightings a day. In March 1966, a month before Spaur’s sighting, a trucker in rural Michigan said he saw a glowing saucer touch down. Others said they saw it, too. The claim garnered massive publicity, and Quintanilla was forced to call a press conference in Detroit to announce his findings. He attributed the incident to “swamp gas.” The American public had never heard of swamp gas and were not persuaded. Neither was Congress, which called a committee hearing on UFOs. Quintanilla was livid. He thought the “UFO buffs” were manipulating politicians and the press to stoke fears of a government conspiracy to hide evidence of aliens. The members of Congress, eager to prove there was no conspiracy and to satisfy public demand for the truth, grilled Quintanilla hard during his testimony. He almost lost his cool to one congressman. “I considered his questions irrelevant and political,”

Quintanilla recalled in his memoir. “Hell, I didn’t go around the country tracking down every alleged UFO photo.”
Two days later, the Spaur sighting happened, and the papers and the UFO buffs sprang back into action.

Quintanilla had only just gotten back from Washington. He called the Ravenna sheriff’s office and asked for Spaur. “So,” he said, “tell me about this mirage you saw.” Spaur started to tell him, but Quintanilla cut him off. “Did you have it in view for more than a few minutes?” Yes, Spaur said. They’d chased it for miles.
“Then he kind of lost interest,” Spaur recalled.

Quintanilla combed through his various air traffic and astronomical sources and discovered three satellites and the planet Venus were in the part of the sky where Spaur and the others were looking. So that’s what he put in his report: Spaur chased a satellite and Venus. Case closed.
The UFO buffs at the National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena (NICAP) wouldn’t have it. Their 10,000 paid members demanded answers and accountability. They had a good thing going with Spaur, who, of course, thought he knew the difference between a satellite in earth orbit and a house-sized hunk of metal drifting over the treetops above his head. And as long as Spaur kept talking, the newspapers kept listening.

But Spaur was already fraying under the pressure. He was a young guy, 34 years old, from a small town. His colleagues laughed at him. People around the world were calling into the station asking for him, coming to his house. NICAP urged him to keep speaking, and members of Congress were talking about his case. His marriage was starting to show signs of stress.

In response to backlash, Quintanilla agreed to meet with Spaur at the Ravenna Police Station. They spoke for nearly an hour surrounded by reporters, a NICAP investigator and Spaur’s colleagues, who kept interrupting with jokes about the “mother ship.” At one point, Spaur said he didn’t know what to call the thing. If it were a car, he’d just call it a Ford or a Chevy, but he’d never seen anything like this before. So he’d called it Floyd, his middle name. He also said he’d seen it subsequently.

Quintanilla took these as signs Spaur was having a mental breakdown. “It has been my experience in cases like this, that the longer publicity drags it out, the worse the principal witness gets hurt,” he recalled. “This is exactly what happened to Dale Spaur. A few months after his encounter with the UFO, his life was a disaster. Dale Spaur would never be the same man again. He lost his job, his family, his friends, and he found very little respect among his neighbors.”

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https://medium.com/@benwolford/seeing-a-ufo-ruined-dale-spaurs-life-f86bab152368


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« Reply #3062 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 10:43am »

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« Reply #3064 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 2:48pm »

Re #3051 above.

So, If the copper is a star wound set of three phase coils then we should be able to obtain resistance, induction values for each winding.

One of the photos shows a supposed resistance measurement of 964 Ohms between the two probes on the surface of the material.
such a low resistance between any of the 'electrical' connection would create a leakage path.

That surely would fail a Megger insulation test.

Would you not agree, Mr Horse ?

Also if you look at the bit at the top that appears to have a thread on it, maybe they could unscrew the two parts.

May be a bit tight if it has been sat around for 20,000 years in a mountain. Or even ten years in a Kosovan shed.

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« Reply #3065 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 4:35pm »

Hal...
You do realize that some visual streams are masked in these manners..intended for a VERY specific audience...and nothing to do with ancient technology..Our Friend in Kosovo could be telling his audience He's found a copper mine..a solid vein..for example..his photo could give a precise GPS coordinate...Mining is very competitive..usual platforms are all compromised..even sats. That said..UCB can not only a gathering place Ideas..but discoveries..and profit..cheesy
We should welcome intel players from everywhere..make it a CasaBlanca freezone for ideas..we all have to eat after all.

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« Reply #3066 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 5:09pm »

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All this kind of item does is add the the list of things that make the whole UFO scene a laughing stock.

There a re many things that are put forward as evidence of visitors from other places some time in the distant past.

And each one needs to be fully examined as to whether or not it is what it is claimed to be.

When people start turning this into a three ring circus then any hope of a credible examination goes out the window.

This is particularly annoying when the jocular and facetious are mixed in with serious questions.

We really need a 'This is total bull, but we will post it here just for giggles' thread.

I supposes I should have been prepared when I found it on 'Stuff and nonsense' .

We need to separate out this garbage.

Should it not have been placed on one of the 'ancient astronaut' type threads.

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« Reply #3067 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 5:24pm »

A new twist to Tchaikovsky's "Waltz of the Flowers". Go full screen and enjoy.

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« Reply #3068 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 5:34pm »

on Jan 10th, 2018, 5:09pm, INT21 wrote:
Sys,

All this kind of item does is add the the list of things that make the whole UFO scene a laughing stock.

There a re many things that are put forward as evidence of visitors from other places some time in the distant past.

And each one needs to be fully examined as to whether or not it is what it is claimed to be.

When people start turning this into a three ring circus then any hope of a credible examination goes out the window.

This is particularly annoying when the jocular and facetious are mixed in with serious questions.

We really need a 'This is total bull, but we will post it here just for giggles' thread.

I supposes I should have been prepared when I found it on 'Stuff and nonsense' .

We need to separate out this garbage.

Should it not have been placed on one of the 'ancient astronaut' type threads.

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Stuff and nonense is just that..If it gets bogged down in big long debate detracting from daily current real time stuff..then mod can move it..It served its purpose..imo..we really don't stay long on any topic on this thread..so much exciting stuff everyone else is posting. wink
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on Jan 10th, 2018, 5:09pm, INT21 wrote:
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All this kind of item does is add the the list of things that make the whole UFO scene a laughing stock.

There a re many things that are put forward as evidence of visitors from other places some time in the distant past.

And each one needs to be fully examined as to whether or not it is what it is claimed to be.

When people start turning this into a three ring circus then any hope of a credible examination goes out the window.

This is particularly annoying when the jocular and facetious are mixed in with serious questions.

We really need a 'This is total bull, but we will post it here just for giggles' thread.

I supposes I should have been prepared when I found it on 'Stuff and nonsense' .

We need to separate out this garbage.

Should it not have been placed on one of the 'ancient astronaut' type threads.

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« Reply #3070 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 6:01pm »

Crystal,

Nothing rude about it.

The claim made is 'stuff and nonsense'.

So it is precisely where it should be.

Had it been serious I would have expected it to be found in a (hopefully) serious section of the site.

I made the mistake of approaching the claim from a serious point of view.

Silly me.

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on Jan 10th, 2018, 2:48pm, INT21 wrote:
Re #3051 above.

So, If the copper is a star wound set of three phase coils then we should be able to obtain resistance, induction values for each winding.

One of the photos shows a supposed resistance measurement of 964 Ohms between the two probes on the surface of the material.
such a low resistance between any of the 'electrical' connection would create a leakage path.

That surely would fail a Megger insulation test.

Would you not agree, Mr Horse ?

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Hal, I can't speak about any insulation test as the data available is limited to what can be seen and surmised from the released images.

However, the meter is probably reading in milli ohms so it is .964 Ohms. We don't have specs on this thing but from visual inspection one can make some ballpark approximations or "educated guesses". Here's a cursory analysis showing why this could be a resistance measurement of .964 Ohms. Please excuse my use of English units - it is what I am accustomed to.

Base assumptions:

These are windings on a torroid core
There are 3 windings (not turns) on the core
Windings are on single layer
Core inner diameter ~ 2.0"
Core outer diameter ~ 2.5"
Core width ~ 2.0"
Winding width available for 85% fill = 2 x Pi x .85 = 5.3"
1/3 of width per winding = 5.3/3 = 1.7"
Mean length of a turn = 2 x 2 + 2 x .5 = 5"
Wire AWG gauge = 24 (.02" dia, 25.7 Ohm per 1000 feet)
Turns per winding = 1.7/.02 = 85
Total length of winding = 85 x 5/12 = 35.4 feet

RESISTANCE OF WINDING = 35.4 x 25.7/1000 = .910 Ohm

Now, of course, these are very rough estimates and I've ignored things like wire insulation thickness, meter probe resistance (I assume the meter probes were zero'd out by these scientists) contact resistance, possible corrosion, etc. But, .964 Ohm is certainly a reasonable number based on what can be extrapolated from these images.

Now, on the other hoof, this could be a measurement of inductance perhaps in mH or uH. Maybe I'll tackle that next.

If a mod thinks this should be moved to another thread please do so. One of the science topics would be appropriate.
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HAL,

"I made the mistake of approaching the claim from a serious point of view."

THINK WE ALL LOOK AT THIS "from a serious point of view" BUT MAY NOT BE "approaching the claim" IN THE SAME MANNER MY FRIEND.

TAKE A MOMENT FROM AN HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE WHILE OBSERVING OUR DISCOURSE IN 2018 AND CONSIDER...WHAT THIS INVENTOR WOULD BE DISCUSSING TO HIS COLLEAGUES SOME 19,800 YEARS AGO...cool

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« Reply #3073 on: Jan 10th, 2018, 7:00pm »

It's at times like this we have to take stock of the fact that some of us have immunity developed over years and years of exposure to these matters whilst others will always have a mental anaphylactic reaction..an allergic reaction as it were..
Thats why that meter should be part of detection equipment for those not intuitively blessed at first blush. Not throwing caution to the wind. I would get a pair of googles in the event baloney reaches critical mass or a flashpoint.
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