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« Reply #10 on: Oct 19th, 2016, 11:43am »

on Oct 17th, 2016, 5:00pm, dave54 wrote:
Also note: none of those links would be considered reliable or factual sources.


Those were only three of a large number of sources. But back to the original source, Aviation Week and Space Technology, March 9, 1992:

http://archive.aviationweek.com/issue/19920309

The article we are after is: ‘Black World’ engineers, Scientists Encourage Using Highly Classified Technology for Civil Applications. The link can be seen at the bottom of the page.

Sadly, it cannot be read without subscribing to the magazine. "Aviation Week and Space Technology" (sometimes called "Aviation Leak" by insiders) is an industry magazine aimed at folks that work inside the aviation industry. Most of the articles deal with military aviation.

Here is a quote from LaViolette's book "Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion":


"Aviation Week obtained its information about the B-2 from a small group of renegade West Coast scientists and engineers who were formerly associated with black research projects, which were defense projects so secret that even their very existence is classified.... They took the risk because they felt that it was important for economic reasons (I would suggest that environmental concerns would be the more important reasons for revealing this info) that efforts be made to declassify certain black technologies for commercial use. Two of these individuals said that their civil rights had been blatantly abused (in the name of security), either to keep them quiet or to prevent them form leaving the tightly controlled black R&D community.

Several months after Aviation Week published the article, security personnel from the black world went into high gear. That sector of the black R&D community received very strong warnings, and as a result, the group of scientists broke off contact with the magazine."

I was around when this story first got out. It is not BS. Of course, you guys can believe whatever you like. But to just fob it off as bogus is prejudicial and does not fit with the information that is out there.

I would recommend reading LaViolette's book as it has much technical and historical information that puts this story in its proper perspective. My comments concerning Ben Rich come from my own personal experience. I was privy to many conversations between him and my boss. Rich was a serious guy and he was not making stuff up. He was there and, sadly, he took most of his secrets to the grave.

But to get back to my point: the head of the Lockheed Skunk Works would be a man in the know. End of story.....

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« Reply #11 on: Oct 19th, 2016, 12:01pm »

on Oct 19th, 2016, 11:43am, bonehead wrote:
Those were only three of a large number of sources. But back to the original source, Aviation Week and Space Technology, March 9, 1992:

http://archive.aviationweek.com/issue/19920309

The article we are after is: ‘Black World’ engineers, Scientists Encourage Using Highly Classified Technology for Civil Applications. The link can be seen at the bottom of the page.

Sadly, it cannot be read without subscribing to the magazine. "Aviation Week and Space Technology" (sometimes called "Aviation Leak" by insiders) is an industry magazine aimed at folks that work inside the aviation industry. Most of the articles deal with military aviation.

Here is a quote from LaViolette's book "Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion":


"Aviation Week obtained its information about the B-2 from a small group of renegade West Coast scientists and engineers who were formerly associated with black research projects, which were defense projects so secret that even their very existence is classified.... They took the risk because they felt that it was important for economic reasons (I would suggest that environmental concerns would be the more important reasons for revealing this info) that efforts be made to declassify certain black technologies for commercial use. Two of these individuals said that their civil rights had been blatantly abused (in the name of security), either to keep them quiet or to prevent them form leaving the tightly controlled black R&D community.

Several months after Aviation Week published the article, security personnel from the black world went into high gear. That sector of the black R&D community received very strong warnings, and as a result, the group of scientists broke off contact with the magazine."

I was around when this story first got out. It is not BS. Of course, you guys can believe whatever you like. But to just fob it off as bogus is prejudicial and does not fit with the information that is out there.

I would recommend reading LaViolette's book as it has much technical and historical information that puts this story in its proper perspective. My comments concerning Ben Rich come from my own personal experience. I was privy to many conversations between him and my boss. Rich was a serious guy and he was not making stuff up. He was there and, sadly, he took most of his secrets to the grave.

But to get back to my point: the head of the Lockheed Skunk Works would be a man in the know. End of story.....

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« Reply #12 on: Oct 20th, 2016, 12:48pm »

I called my cousin back and asked about antigravity and electric fields. He laughed. He then told me he knew of the anti-gravity stories circulating around the internet. It is true the B2 use fields around some of the surfaces, but has nothing to do with anti-gravity. The object is to produce a thin boundary layer of electrostatic air on the surface, reducing turbulence from every small opening, rivet, or irregularity in the skin. This improves flight efficiency through normal aerodynamics. It also slightly reduces a radar return. Anti gravity has nothing to do with it. It is not a new idea. Many aircraft used it. In recent years improvements in materials technology and wing and fuselage design has somewhat left it behind. He wondered why it was still called 'black' technology when everyone now knows about, and the U.S. stole it from the Russians during the arms race of the Cold War.

He has been retired for several years now, and admitted it is possible a new wrinkle has been found, but he doubts it. He still has his contacts in the industry and no one has mentioned anything about anti-gravity other than the same conspiracy theories that keep popping up. Such a technology would not remain secret very long. The civilian applications would be too immense.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 23rd, 2016, 12:18pm »

Hello Dave,

I have to admit that when I first heard about the B-2 technology, I too thought that "anti-gravity" was a bit of a bridge too far. The electrostatic ion field you describe is, in fact, exactly the technology that LaViolette describes in his book. The part left out of your cousin's description are the bits about the electrostatic probes in the jet exhausts. This coupled with the leading edge electrified fields, create an sort of "repelling" envelope around the entire aircraft - not just a boundary layer reduction in drag.

I do remember when the B-2 was first revealed to the public, that photos of the aft end of the aircraft were completely off limits. There were "top-secret" things at the back of the aircraft that were not cleared for release at that time. I do not know if that is still in place all these years later.

And i should point out that the technology you describe also matches the work of Townsend Brown. There must be a modicum of anti-gravity in the technology since that is specifically what Brown was after in the first place. At any rate whether anti-gravity or not, everybody agrees that the technology DOES offer a substantial improvement in performance and flight economy. Adding such a technology to airline fleets, for instance, could reduce fuel consumption and flight economy substantially and reduce harmful emissions in the environment.

That was the main point of my original statements concerning this. To my knowledge, this technology has not found its way into civil aircraft - despite the fact that the technology has been in constant use since the late 1980s. That is nearly 30 years of hamstringing the planet - all for a little "edge" in military performance.

This is the kind of sociopathic behavior I have come to expect from our government operatives. Our planet becomes more ecologically compromised by the day, while the government only sees the military worthy of such an edge. It is criminal and inexcusable. If what you say about the pressure of potential civil applications is true, then where is the technology being used in civil aviation today?

Meanwhile, Tom DeLonge is still maintaining that he has the goods:

http://pigeonsandplanes.com/news/2016/10/tom-delonge-ufo

I only hope that his promises bear fruit. As I said before, past experience shows that all such promises tend to fizzle out in the end. It would be nice if things are different this time.

One can only hope.....

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« Reply #14 on: Oct 15th, 2017, 12:45pm »

Pardon the revival of an old thread, but this story seems to be moving along now.

Does Delonge have the goods? Here is an article by journalist Leslie Kean suggesting he does:


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fmr-manager-of-dod-aerospace-threat-program-ufos_us_59de2f4be4b0b992a8214874

While I question DeLonge's methodology, I am sympathetic to his crusade. Posing "disclosure" as a commercial enterprise (as Delonge does) immediately puts the whole thing into question. But hell, in this twisted present time, pretty much everything has become corrupted with self-serving, subversive and discursive motives. Truth, lies and manipulations all share our mind-space on an equal footing. Truth (which I have come to believe is subjective) has become more relative than ever.

Is this disclosure? Not really. Elizondo is far from the first government operative claiming to be in the know that has said, unequivocally, that UFOs are real. His credentials certainly put him in the right place to know. And his claim is a step in the right direction.

DeLonge has fired his first shot across the bow of general ignorance. Only time will tell if his claims hit pay-dirt or, are just the rantings of another fool urinating into the wind.

C'mon Tom, where's the beef? I, for one, would like to know....

Keep your eyes on this story folks. It has the potential to be the one we are waiting for - or, just another in a long line of disappointments....

But I am hopeful. kiss

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« Reply #15 on: Oct 15th, 2017, 1:02pm »

While I remain hopeful, my man Billy Cox is less sanguine....

http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/15590/still-looks-like-rain/#comment-497340

Kevin Randle shares my misgivings about DeLonge's project, but carries them all the way to full-blown rejection....

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/10/tom-delonge-and-ufos.html

Just because DeLonge is a rich dude with a serious yen for long ducats does not necessarily compel me to write him off completely.... yet.

How much slack should I cut him?? huh

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BONEY OPINES,

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« Reply #17 on: Oct 23rd, 2017, 08:52am »

on Oct 15th, 2017, 1:02pm, bonehead wrote:
While I remain hopeful, my man Billy Cox is less sanguine....

http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/15590/still-looks-like-rain/#comment-497340

Kevin Randle shares my misgivings about DeLonge's project, but carries them all the way to full-blown rejection....

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/10/tom-delonge-and-ufos.html


Just because DeLonge is a rich dude with a serious yen for long ducats does not necessarily compel me to write him off completely.... yet.

How much slack should I cut him?? huh

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I've been following this too. The cynic in me says that all those insiders are there to keep DeLonge busy and off track. But I hope not.

I feel generous. So I'll give him a year of slack.
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« Reply #18 on: Oct 23rd, 2017, 09:10am »

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"The cynic in me says that all those insiders are there to keep DeLonge busy and off track."

...OR ACTUALLY...TO CONTROL THE CONTENT/MESSAGE wink

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on Oct 23rd, 2017, 09:10am, ZETAR wrote:
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"The cynic in me says that all those insiders are there to keep DeLonge busy and off track."

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Yes, that too, Zetar. Partial Disclosure controlled by the PTB....cynically speaking.
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 24th, 2017, 09:46am »

Bonehead said:

"While I remain hopeful, my man Billy Cox is less sanguine...."

http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/15590/still-looks-like-rain/#comment-497340


Yes! If nothing else, one positive thing DeLonge has done already is reawaken Cox's DeVoid blog. Here is my exchange with Billy:

Me-- "OK, Mr. Cox, just what are you up to? I was under the impression that DeVoid was dead and that you were moving on to educational issues. Imagine my surprise when a poster quoted you from your "Still Looks Like Rain" entry! So what is it, are you posting on DeVoid every 2 or 3 months when the spirits move you?"

Billy-- "...As for De Void, my professional predicament has improved considerably since I bailed out last year. Last week, the TTS announcement provided a little hope that maybe things on the UFO front aren't quite as hopeless as they were the day before. Depending on how that plays out I might air out the blog on a more regular basis, we'll see."

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on Oct 24th, 2017, 09:46am, Swamprat wrote:


Billy-- "...As for De Void, my professional predicament has improved considerably since I bailed out last year. Last week, the TTS announcement provided a little hope that maybe things on the UFO front aren't quite as hopeless as they were the day before. Depending on how that plays out I might air out the blog on a more regular basis, we'll see."

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Swamp,

HHHhmmm, from that quote, me thinks that even Billy Cox is holding out some hope for this one? Funny how his article suggests otherwise.

I think it just goes to show how little hope has been coming from UFOLogy in recent years....

Hey Raf! wink

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Hi Bonehead...been awhile smiley
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 23rd, 2017, 12:57pm »

Well, the feedback from this past week's revelatory stories certainly is encouraging. Even the ever pessimistic Billy Cox was acting like he had gotten a glimpse of the holy grail. Wow!

Make no mistake, the fact that the mainstream media took the series of stories revealed in the past few weeks seriously is a watershed moment. There are admissions that the feds have had an active interest in UFOs since their loud proclamation, in 1969, that they were "out of the UFO business". Balderdash. And the only people trying to walk this back are dyed in the wool rational materialists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Won't he have egg on his face if our boy DeLonge actually reveals real concrete evidence of UFO reality? C,mon Tom, let's pants the "science guys"!

But as I have said before, people will not buy into the UFO scenario completely until tangible physical evidence is revealed. Where's the beef? Until the beef is presented, we are still a subject of ridicule.

But DeLonge has achieved a minor coup here. Serious people (except maybe DeGrasse Tyson?) are talking seriously in public venues about UFOs and saying that there is there there. That is no small thing in a present cultural environment that seems to revel in blatantly confabulated "truths" and mendacious manipulative lowbrow polemic drivel.

But it is the there that is there that is the real fly in the ointment. The world wants real tangible proofs. They want real there in their there, not another unfulfilling tasteless rice cake. Until DeLonge pries that brass ring from the crooked fingers of an ever grasping powers that be, this story is still just a flaccid balloon in desperate need of inflation.

But I have to give props to my man Tom. He has tooted the first puff of air into that evidentiary balloon. This is getting fun. Keep puffing Tom! Hopefully he will eventually blow us all away....

Yeah, so I am still hopeful. grin

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