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« Reply #15 on: Feb 8th, 2015, 2:26pm »

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 8th, 2015, 2:28pm »

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« Reply #17 on: Feb 8th, 2015, 2:28pm »

Look! Up in the sky (or over on the pseudo-researcher's desk)!

It's a photo of a bicycle on Mars!

It's a photo of an ET mother ship!

No, it's a Kodachrome slide of a Roswell alien body!

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Whatever it is, we can be virtually certain it is NOT a professionally presented and thorough accounting of people involved, financial interests, clear timelines of events and similar items that are staples of something some of us like to call quality research.

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« Reply #18 on: Feb 8th, 2015, 10:59pm »

Personally I think we are taking this in a very healthy manner. Mexicans South Americans East Eropeans take this all in fun like colorful wrestling.
They now their governments lie to them..so dont feel the need to form exopolitics groups and other groups for the "Truth" When something goes bad like disappearances.they don't think UFO they think Government or bandits , both held in same esteem and in most cases they are spot on.
Only us' get depressed about hoaxes. Ufology is dead! Ufology is Dead!
From the hundreds of Youtubes one certainly would not think so. The Hopium still lives on..Be like the Mexicans..Be Happy.grin

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Anthony Bragalia and a few others, such as Tim Hebert, insist we should all “wait and see” what happens with the Kodachrome Roswell/alien slides presentation, May 5th of this year.

It seems many of us can’t do that – not me, not Kevin Randle, not David Rudiak, not Lance Moody, not a lot of us.

We seem inclined to work over the material that has leaked and been seen by more people than Mr. Bragalia and his Team indicated the past year or so.

A gaggle of people have had access to the slides or information about them.

Those of us out of the loop have been required to piece together snippets of info and gossip, while the less adventurous among UFO buffs plead for us to “wait and see.”

This has always been a problem with “ufology”: there are those who want to be seen as keepers of the keys (communicants privy to UFO materials that the rest of us peons can’t see, until they okay the release of what they have already mucked over among themselves).

The slides circus has undermined a “wait and see” position, as so much twaddle has been presented the past two weeks that a “wait and see” attitude is ludicrous.

UFO buffs have a right and an obligation to get at the truth of the matter now; truth is not a “wait and see” thing, as I noted for Tim Hebert.

“Wait and see” is for suckers.

If we can “prove” the efficacy of the slides now or their falsity, we are purposed to do so.

Truth is not to be delayed or denied, and I assume Paul Kimball and others would agree.

The slides imbroglio is secondary to the UFO phenomenon, but it is integral to Roswell, one way or another it seems.

And Roswell is the linch-pin of ufology, and has been for a long time, as silly as that is among skeptics and real UFO aficionados.

So, don’t proffer a “wait and see” attitude upon us, UFO procrastinators.

We want answers now, not later – and just because some of you have had access to the slides and their supposed forensics, don’t try to keep the rest of us in the dark.

Truth waits for no man.

Edit..a little strong there pardner... Remembers Mark Twain sayin ..A lie can travel halfway around the world before Truth has a chance to put its boots on. cool
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 9th, 2015, 12:32pm »

on Feb 8th, 2015, 1:14pm, ZETAR wrote:
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Wow, what a blur. Hopefully the actual slides are better than this. Otherwise, it is quite disappointing.

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Anthony Bragalia and a few others, such as Tim Hebert, insist we should all “wait and see” what happens with the Kodachrome Roswell/alien slides presentation, May 5th of this year.


I agree with Bragalia. (did I actually say that? huh)

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A gaggle of people have had access to the slides or information about them.

Those of us out of the loop have been required to piece together snippets of info and gossip, while the less adventurous among UFO buffs plead for us to “wait and see.”

This has always been a problem with “ufology”: there are those who want to be seen as keepers of the keys (communicants privy to UFO materials that the rest of us peons can’t see, until they okay the release of what they have already mucked over among themselves).

The slides circus has undermined a “wait and see” position, as so much twaddle has been presented the past two weeks that a “wait and see” attitude is ludicrous.

UFO buffs have a right and an obligation to get at the truth of the matter now; truth is not a “wait and see” thing, as I noted for Tim Hebert.

“Wait and see” is for suckers.

If we can “prove” the efficacy of the slides now or their falsity, we are purposed to do so.

Truth is not to be delayed or denied, and I assume Paul Kimball and others would agree.


Sorry, I do not agree. On the contrary, I think the people responsible for this release did the right thing. They chose to do their research ahead of the release so that they could get their ducks in row before they had to respond to all manner of UFOlogical cattiness and in-fighting. And, trust me, there will be a Kardashian-sized butt-load of that.

To be honest, I would be disappointed with anything less. I am patient enough to wait for it. I have little patience for the impatient. All they do is muddy the water through which the rest of us must view the damned thing....


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« Reply #20 on: Feb 9th, 2015, 3:10pm »

Wow...that's a pretty crappy Kodachrome slide and a damn skinny 'alien'.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 10th, 2015, 6:47pm »

Do we have more information about the people involved? Do we know more about how they collected the slides? That would be helpful.

My opinion is pretty much the same as Bonehead. I will wait the slides to come up before jumping to conclusions, but I certainly do not expect much from them.

But I gotta ask, maybe someone with expertise on such thing could precise the date? Gonna ask my twin brother about this, he is a graduated historian, with old documents and texts recognition expertise. At least, he might know someone who is capable of doing such a thing.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 11th, 2015, 12:23am »

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Adam Dew provided this update and clarification about his Kodachrome slide participation

I'll say this, I fully understand and appreciate all the skepticism. The first time I saw the slides I had the same response. But the story, by any measure, is fantastic and continues to get more interesting. A few random notes on all this that might answer some questions:

Tom and Don were very skeptical of the slides (out of fear of another hoax) for more than a year. I pursued them. It wasn't until I finally had them vetted by film experts that they were willing to connect me with the witness to offer an opinion. Tom and Don were not with me the first time the witness looked at the slides. He's now seen them a second time with Tom and Don present and he had the same reaction to them.
I've shown the slides to several people with varying scientific backgrounds. I have one of the most prominent anthropologists in the US on film looking at the slides. He hasn't decided if he's willing to go on the record publicly yet. But if I can get Ross to agree not to bother him, I might get lucky. Almost universally, when anyone with a science background sees the slides they say something along the lines of "that's a fake." I think that's an interesting response when we know they are not fakes. Even NDT had that response. I'd assume if it's obviously human, then that would be their first take.

As far as I know there are no anthropologists in this country who think they've seen what many Roswell witnesses say they saw in 1947. There is no frame of reference. There is no text book. This creates an obvious dilemma when the people who say they saw bodies near Roswell also say they were humanoid in most respects.

So I then decided to try to find some people who had personal encounters with the supposed Roswell bodies and see what they think of the slides. Some of you might be willing to flatly discount the personal experiences of someone like the man in our doc trailer, but I don't. I'm not going to call him a liar. He's never tried to capitalize on what he says he saw. So it's the witness's word against everyone else's at this stage I suppose.

I'm not sure what else I need to do prove that they were not staged or faked. I thought having them vetted by the worlds foremost Kodachrome historian would have been sufficient but I guess I was mistaken. The professor featured in the trailer is a prominent photo historian, but not the Kodachrome expert who analyzed the slides.

Another note about the dating. Our expert noted that there is a protective lacquer on the slides that can been seen when held up to the light. I've since found out that lacquer was discontinued in the early 1960s in the development of Kodachrome. The slides show almost the exact same image, same angle, just slightly different color temperature and focus. We've had David Rudiak and experts from Adobe try to decipher the placard with little luck.

I wish we could move past the "dating" discussions, but I hear some people think I found some old unused Kodachrome, staged the photos, had them developed before 2010 (the last year Kodachrome was ever developed), added the protective lacquer, and have been sitting on the slides ever since.
Would Hilda and/or Bernerd take multiple photos of a mummy/preserved body with hydrocephalus? Even the anthropologists who've seen the slides don't offer a definitive opinion, but you guys seem pretty certain. I've spent nearly three years trying to find what's in the images but I've had no luck. Please send all pictures of hydrocephalus mummies on display in the 1940s


As I see this from my lens he Dew who got it from his friends sister..does not say they are ET...he is like us he says..just trying to find out what they could be..he has to dig into own pocket and get own experts before the ufo experts will even consider.

The RRR gtoup tracking the interest in the story graphs it at their site. Throwing a few barbs in too while monitoring the whole thing with objectivity and graphs.....so it appears..or at least for appearances sake..
It is this type of interplay that I find curious..We all seem to know where this is headed..This was the very same scenario with the drone saga and Isaac....battle of experts...Isaac never said he saw ETs or even a flying craft either..but we know from experience we don't need one to make the story fly. cool
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on Feb 11th, 2015, 12:23am, SysConfig wrote:
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Adam Dew provided this update and clarification about his Kodachrome slide participation

I'll say this, ................



That was .... almost hypnotic. It reminded me of when you get home after a day of shopping, open the bag and look at that special product you purchased after talking to the sales person for an hour. After a few minutes you start to realize you really can't recall the sales pitch while looking down at the 24 count box of disposable shoe horns you bought. grin

I'm scratching my mane trying to figure out if what Adam Dew wrote helps in building some confidence in this story or adds more questions. It's almost like it's balanced and continues the tale without harm or details that can bite one later. Just like a good ole serial.

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« Reply #24 on: Feb 11th, 2015, 09:05am »

I reread the link to the story and this is what interests me:

"Another video, which was been removed from the YouTube channel, shows an interview with a man identified as Adam Dew, who reveals the origin of the photos. According to Dew, his friend’s sister discovered the photos in 1989 while cleaning out the house of a deceased and childless American couple, Bernerd and Hilda Blair Ray, in Arizona.

Bernerd Ray was an oil exploration geologist who had worked in the fields of the Roswell area of New Mexico in the 1940s and was president of the Texas chapter of the American Institute of Petroleum Geologists in 1947.

His wife, Hilda, was a “highly respected” lawyer with “high-end clientele and possible intelligence connections.”

Bragalia pressed the claim of authenticity of the photos, based on the argument that what is known about the couple confirms that they were of “highest integrity… with no propensity to prank.”

“This is a couple who were of the highest integrity. And both had contacts and activities that could have fortuitously enabled them to obtain these slides.”

Dew said his friend’s sister found the slides while cleaning out the couple’s house. She found a chest of old Kodachrome slides in the attic, and decided to keep it in her garage. She kept them for about 10 years without bothering to look at them. But when she finally looked at them, she found that they contained photos of places from different parts of the world and famous people, including President Dwight Eisenhower and Clark Gable.

But she also discovered two Kodachrome slides carefully wrapped up in an envelope hidden in the inner lining of the chest’s lid. She found that the slides had images of strange looking beings. She showed the photos to her brother, who showed them to Dew. Dew explained that because the film looked genuine, he took them to Carey and his partner Don Schmitt, both UFO researchers."

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Who exactly is Adam Dew?....his 'friend's sister' discovered the pics while cleaning out this couple's house but didn't look at any of them for over 10 years. That would make it about 1999 at that time..so they sat around for another 14 years or so...? What is this friends name and the sister's name? Was she a relative cleaning out their house after they passed away..? How did this Bernard Ray obtain the original photos?
Lots of questions.....few answers.
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 11th, 2015, 6:54pm »

Guys I hear you
I just want to know what it is and and what it's doing here!shocked Chad


Can they sell this to history channel or discovery...pickins is slim lately..but you never know..
anyway..Frank warren at chronicles had some info we need..and starts it off ..as most of us are painfully aware..
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Dew is a freelance sports videographer and owner of Dew Media Inc; however, the documentary and YouTube channel are attributed to the new entity, Slidebox Media.

Still showing alleged Roswell Alien Slides from Kodachrome documentary trailer.
Still showing alleged Roswell Alien Slides from Kodachrome documentary trailer (Credit: Slidebox Media).
Between the Maussan videos and Dew’s documentary, the actual slides are shown in a few instances; to no one’s surprise, stills of the scenes showing the slides have been popping up in various places. Of course, the slides when shown in the video, are at a distance, small and shot at an angle. Nevertheless, some of the renderings (albe them far from pristine) appear to show what the public has been conditioned to deem as a Roswell Alien, e.g., small in stature, large head, large eyes etc.

As the various renderings demonstrate, there isn’t much to work with from the get-go, but we thought we’d try our hand at it here at TUFOC. Above is our example of a still from Adam’s documentary; the image was enlarged, enhanced, reconfigured to the proper perspective (as to look at it straight on) and finally (re)encased in a time relevant, Kodachrome pressboard mount.

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Early in March, 2014, I met with the owner of the slides, viewed them, and talked to him about his plans. (Actually, I viewed digital reproductions of the slides.) Here’s a brief status report.

The owner repeated the basic story as described in Anthony Bragalia’s article, with more specific detail, such as dates and locations. The owner affirmed that it is his intent to present the slides and their story to the public in a non-sensationialistic forum, after he has satisfied himself as to their authenticity. He feels he is nearing the end of that phase. At least one of the slides has had the cardboard sleeve sliced open to read the film edge code. The 2 subject photos appear to be a small subset of a large collection of photos of personal interest to Bernerd Ray and his wife. The larger collection of photos (perhaps 50 or more) appear to show places and events the couple visited in the time frame approximately 1945 to 1952. The owner is convinced that when analysis is complete, the slides will be shown to have originated sometime before 1949.

What do the slides show?
1. There are 2 photos, taken in an indoor setting.

2. The photos are of poor quality (focus, exposure) compared to virtually all the other photos in the same collection. For this reason, edge detection, contrast enhancement and other photoanalysis techniques are warranted and are being used.
3. The photos appear to have been taken about 4 or 5 feet from the humanoid, from a position slightly above it.

4. To my eye, the humanoid is lying on a clear glass shelf and is surrounded by either clear glass walls and/or a full glass enclosure. The enclosure appears to be more like a rectangular box than like a bottle.

5. In one of the photos, a woman is standing behind the glass case (visible from approximately the waist down). In the other photo a man is visible in the same location, leading to speculation that the man and the woman traded places and took turns taking pictures.

6. The humanoid is not immersed in a fluid; it appears to be open to the air (at least if the lid were off).

7. The glass shelf/ box that the humanoid is on/in appears to be supported on shelf brackets that are connected to vertical, metal supports. The vertical supports are perforated at regular intervals (nominally, 1 inch spacing) by drilled holes. The shelf arrangement gives the appearance of a laboratory apparatus rack.

8. The humanoid is lying on its back, with its head to the camera’s left and feet to the right.

9. There is some type of placard on the front of the glass case, with (currently undecipherable, out-of-focus) writing on it. (Shades of the Ramey memo!) It is my suspicion that this placard is the source of the idea that the genital area of the humanoid was deliberately covered up in order to escape the wrath of the censors when the slides were developed. I don’t think that is the case. From what I could see, the genital area was not visible to the camera due to the view angle of the camera. I suspect that the placard simply serves to identify the contents of the glass case.

10. The proportions of the humanoid appear to be slightly different than a “normal” human, but probably, no single dimension of the body is outside the range of naturally occurring sizes. The length of the head (crown to chin) is approximately the same length as the torso (neck to crotch). The arm length (shoulder to wrist) is approximately the length of the torso (i.e., the wrist joint is approximately aligned with the hip bone). The leg bones are long, compared to the arms.

11. Given that the body is about 3 feet long, if it is human, then it must be either a child or an adult with a developmental disorder. (Human Trisomy 17 has been suggested as a candidate.)

12. I could not see digits on either the hands or feet, and so could not count them.

13. The mouth is open and no teeth are visible.

14. The skin of the humanoid is smooth and appears to have shrunk taut against the bones (ribs, legs, arms, cranium). Whether this is due to natural effects of death (saponification, dessication, etc.) or is the result of some post-mortem treatment (embalming, freezing, etc.) is not clear.

15. The head appears to have been severed from the top of the spinal column and then replaced, lying at an unnatural angle relative to the torso.

16. There is nothing in the photo that would either definitively connect this to the Roswell event or definitively disconnect it. Any connection is coincidental (it appears to have been taken at about the right time).

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« Reply #26 on: Feb 11th, 2015, 8:27pm »

Now that helps.
From what I can gather it looks like many of the slides from the group have verifiable images from the time frame of interest and add credibility to them. Now there are 2 slides apparently in that group that are strange and out of place in subject matter. They resemble what could be alien figures.

More questions but at least some of the pieces are starting to fit together. Reminds me a bit of the Steven Greer's Sirius alien minus an actual body to analyze. There's only a picture of a body to work with and that does not bode well with getting a definitive answer. My guess is someone will say the setting matches something seen at Area 51 or some human oddity museum/exhibit. Analysis of CGI reconstructed features could be hit or miss. This, of course, assumes these 2 slides show real subject matter taken around 1947.

At least it's something new to look forward to. There's been no good UFO/ET buzz as of late - just the same old stuff. Where this fits in remains to be seen I guess.
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« Reply #27 on: Feb 11th, 2015, 10:16pm »

Thanks for sharing more information with us! Hey, Im gonna start collecting background data of the people involved! How about some help? Let's see what we can find cheesy

That gave me an idea, maybe we all could do just that with UFO cases around this forum! How about that? We all search for information regarding a case and post our findings! We could have a session at the forum for that! It certainly would shake things around here a bit! What do you guys think? grin
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« Reply #28 on: Feb 12th, 2015, 08:59am »

The story as told by 'Adam Dew' is plausible except for the fact that those 2 'alien slides' were found with all those other ones that seemed to have no obvious connection to their travels and memories which was the crux of all the other slides. Odd that they should just have been placed in there with the other 'vacation' slides....but it's certainly possible.
It's too bad the original owners, The Ray's, aren't alive to tell us where they got them. Without that there is no real provenance and they could have easily been slipped into the other 'pile' by someone wishing to create an elaborate hoax.
There is no indication the Ray's had any connection to Roswell or any of the people working there nor that the 2 slides themselves are in any way connected to Roswell...as Dew pointed out in his short you tube clip.
If the slides themselves are genuine Kodachrome from that time period, then that is truly interesting, but it doesn't mean they couldn't have been faked as far as the depiction itself which could have been done using slides from that time period.
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« Reply #29 on: Feb 12th, 2015, 2:41pm »

One can learn a lot about the slides saga at Kevin Randle's blog. The comments sections are particularly interesting, in their own ways, and provide us about the closest thing ufology gets to peer review.

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/

In my opinion, the bottom line is always going to be whether or not research is conducted and presented in professional manners. When it's not, as in the case of the slides, we are justified in being extremely skeptical of the accompanying assertions. Juking, jiving and head fakes are neither part of the professional research process nor required if the point trying to be made is solid.
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