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« Reply #30 on: Feb 12th, 2015, 4:51pm »

@ Alvaro no more Posse comitatus for me..I learned much during the drone..I went a little too deep.some times you have to lose your head to find it..and I am thankful I found it. I'll let the current pros come up with something..I have a feeling it may not make it to May 5 or Cinco de Mayo

The seasoned ufologists like Randle are hold their own and in a very diplomatic and tactful and insightful much Like I think we are here.


@ DrWu indeed interesting if true kodachrome. and he already said he doesnt know what it all means. There was a mention of a secret pocket where the 2 slides were found. Essentially its left to our imagination, even if the slides where true pix of desicated mummies like the Naszca ones.
We only have their word of course. He is doing only what is natural to a videographer and marketer..not necessarily a scam but the exagerration is the same as PT Barnums Egress.

@ JJ yes Kevin was very very good and kudos to him for the stuff he put together a lot beter than the RRgroup. It has become a sceptics battleground with potshots between them.

Kevin raises the spectre of the Aztec Hoax, andthe tennuous connection to the deceased l Man who could have been in either place..and as Roswell initially never claimed bodies, only the Aztec did.
If its connected it certainly confuses the issue of a real alien. However an Oil man I am sure he traveled the Mexican and South American circuit and easily photgraphed something more in line with what has come out of there recently.








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« Reply #31 on: Feb 13th, 2015, 09:20am »

on Feb 12th, 2015, 4:51pm, SysConfig wrote:
@ JJ yes Kevin was very very good and kudos to him for the stuff he put together a lot beter than the RRgroup. It has become a sceptics battleground with potshots between them.

Kevin raises the spectre of the Aztec Hoax, andthe tennuous connection to the deceased l Man who could have been in either place..and as Roswell initially never claimed bodies, only the Aztec did.
If its connected it certainly confuses the issue of a real alien. However an Oil man I am sure he traveled the Mexican and South American circuit and easily photgraphed something more in line with what has come out of there recently.


The circumstances as reported by the Roswell researchers and their associates (Dream Team, if you will) over the months left a great deal to be desired in the way of objectivity and providing data to support claims and conclusions. Basically, it was handled horrendously.

My personal interactions with the team members became so outside the scope of what one might define as conventional and reasonable that I decided to stop even writing about the train wreck. Kevin Randle was reasonable on more than one occasion, but was burdened with trying to address the circumstances while keeping some things in confidence he had been asked not to share. Another problem was that following Tom Carey's unsupported proclamations he made at American University, I emailed Carey and requested permission to pose some questions. He agreed but then did not reply when I presented the actual questions. I was later offered an explanation by yet another team member as to why Carey failed to address my questions that, to cut to the chase, did not make sense.

Ultimately, though, I would say the slides saga has been better for ufology than not. I say that because it shows us how difficult it is these days to sell a bad story full of contradictions and inconsistencies - and that's a good thing.

I am proud of the resourcefulness of those who have been posting about it at KR's blog. The extents many of them found information that appears it might be quite relevant in posing explanations for the slides was well done and accomplished in relatively short order. I have my doubts that the slides promoters saw it coming to this degree.

One more thing...

Nick Redfern recently posted that a new law enforcement investigation will soon be launched into the reported email hacks. He wrote, "There was supposed to have been a law enforcement investigation of this. It seems to have fizzled away. No matter, a new one is soon to begin."

That's the kind of thing that, as a member of the UFO community, I find interesting. I'm interested because one can sink their teeth into law enforcement investigations as compared to nebulous claims about mummies and six-inch Chileans. There are names of agencies, names of detectives, resulting reports and so on. Deserves more attention, in my opinion, and if it does not receive such attention, it is reasonable to question why.
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« Reply #32 on: Feb 13th, 2015, 12:59pm »

Whilst searching for Mr. Goodbar I found this 2013 post by RR

http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2013/06/gilles-fernandez-adieu-2449406.html

This, after my Navy post where I mentioned Roswell, tangentially to the topic, which offended Gilles as he told me in a Facebook message.
When I asked him if he was departing because I had referenced Roswell, he replied:
“No, it is concerning some “bad faith” attitude I have enough now, to point me as an idiot.
Of course, your last posting pointed in the 11th§ or was alluding your Roswell/Aztec connection, and a crash. Your comment “show me (and others) where I make the case for a Roswell ET crash, or any kind of crash”, mainly the “or any kind of crash”, was “the last straw” or “the straw that broke the camel’s back” as English have as idiomatic expressio, I think.”
You see, I had protested that I hadn’t mentioned the Roswell Dream Team or my Aztec and Roswell connection, but he found it somewhere in my Roswell sentence about Mac Brazel.
That I called him out, asking him to point to where I had mentioned a crash, or the DT, or Aztec, he was personally and intellectually offended.
He has been offended before, many times, by my commentary, as he sees me not as a skeptic but a person leaning toward the ETH when it comes to Roswell.
Discerning readers here know otherwise.
I, and many of you also I surmise, will miss Gilles’ comic relief. He usually provided an askew view of ufology and its practitioners.
So we bid Gilles an adieu, and will miss his fractured English but valuable insights.
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I found it peculiar RR would post this on Before Its News unless another contributed it..

The post imo is a thinly veiled sourgrapes projection on Gilles more than a regret to see him go.
If anything based on Gilles works
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I would be doing whatever it takes
a la Greece to shore up an misconcieved insults or ruffled feelings because Gilles is an exceptional authority while not self aggrandizing as a final authority as some phenomenology experts seem to do

Being I like fair fights..and dislike ad hominem as well as pro hominem statements..plus he appeared to get RR's panty's in a ruffle I decided to look at his works.
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Gilles Fernandez is a PhD in Cognitive Psychology from LIMSI/CNRS (Université de Paris-Sud) and René Descartes University (Paris, France). His interrests for 1993 to 2006 as research scientist focused on the relationships between linguistic and visio-spatial representations, between creativity and human intelligence, on psychometry and child giftedness, Bayesian statistical methods for assessing importance of effects. He is actualy independant writer and lecturer in the domain of "why people believe weird things" (such as pseudosciences, UFO, superstitions, modern myths, urban legends, etc.).

http://skepticversustheflyingsaucers.blogspot.com/2014/01/cracking-189697-airships-mystery-toward_11.html


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« Reply #33 on: Feb 16th, 2015, 06:09am »

I don't think RR will be making anymore Snarky remarks to Gilles Fernandez..like the French are famous for their craziness..to paraphrase.


I am certain and a safe bet to make...that we are all in a greement that No trip can be made at interstellar speed, through interdimensional portals, or from one space crib to the next without wearing baby booties.
Its how Zetans remain grounded and was the fore runner of velcro invented at Nasa after reverse engineering several pairs found in the Roswell Crash debris.

Still RR, Nick, and Tom found themselves up against a wall , but not loss of shock when confronted with Zetans wear Baby Booties


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https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20822056&postID=3864726452221449711
Nick asked, "But where is the color photo from that has the foot circled?"

After Gilles provided the name of the museum, I plugged it into Google and looked at every image. I found a 2010 blog post (in English) that includes the one of the child mummy Gilles provided. The writer says:

My first stop was the Museo de las Momias (Mummy Museum). The Guanajuato mummies were discovered in a nearby cemetery and were dug up between the years 1865 and 1958. Why were these bodies exhumed, you ask? Well, the local law required relatives to pay a kind of grave tax. You could pay the tax once and be done with it (for wealthier individuals) or you could pay a yearly fee (for the less wealthy). If the relatives could not pay this tax for three years, the body was dug up from the cemetery and put on display in the Mummy Museum. Fortunately, in 1958, the law was changed and no new bodies have been dug up.

Make of that what you will!

http://esperanzaenmexico.blogspot.ca/2010/03/charming-guanajuato.html

I don't know the origin of the photo -- if it's from a museum site or from the blogger -- but the blogger has posted a very large version on Flickr.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/42291659@N04/4435682143/

> Tom Carey reported, “What we thought at first was the being’s foot (circled in the images) isn't a foot at all. It's something else (a piece of debris?) sticking up.

If you download the largest size (5120x3413) from Flickr and crop out everything but the child mummy, you can view it at 2536x1684. It will be very clear. You will note the mummy is wearing...booties!

Is that the same smooth edge we see projecting up over the display label in the Roswell slide? Not alien "feet," as Tom demurs, but Zetan baby bootieshuh

Wednesday, February 11, 2015
Hello Terry and all,

I don't know the origin of the photo -- if it's from a museum site [...].
The third image in fact, (so probably the same mummy imho) was extracted from this video, so inside the Mummy Museum at Guanajuato.
At around 2'50": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=febxlcbF0Q0

A friend found this one too, I added here and at the extreme right and "up" (probably the same mummy):
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/roswel12.jpg

I dunno if what we see on the "Roswell" slide is an hole around the abdomen, but such hole (to extract visceria etc for mummy purpose&conservation?)seems "common" - here egyptian or romano-egyptian mummy exposed recently in Europa :
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/000_ro11.jpg

I'm now interrested by the "sticker". Again it sounds common regarding "Mummy" and in particulary regarding what we can find in the Mexican Museum:
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/000_ro12.jpg

I'm curious if concerning the "coffer" in the slide, we could isolate if there are "wood" concerning the apparatus (bottom), in order to know more and maybe found a prosaic culprit for the slide.

Maybe more when better resolution of the slide, who knows?

Sorry for my bad English.

Regards,

Gilles

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« Reply #34 on: May 10th, 2015, 11:20am »

And so it goes.......

Much ado about nothing. Yep, it was just an old moldy mummy of some long gone kid. If the geniuses that released this nonsense could not tell that it was a human mummy from a single glance at the actual slide, (as i did), then they weren't really qualified to make such judgements in the first place.

Yes, I am truly disappointed. That was not a big surprise. What was a big surprise was that anybody would believe that the anonymous mummy was anything but what it actually was. Really? huh

I guess the Don Schmitt's and Tom Carey's of this world have finally thrown away whatever final shreds of credibility they had lurking in the depths of their curriculum vitaes. I just wonder why they were so anxious to toss it all away on such an obviously lame and misguided conjecture. It was something akin to folks mistaking time-travelling crash-test dummies for alien bodies. What a tangled and nonsensical web they weave.

And so the clown car continues on down the road....... tongue

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« Reply #35 on: May 10th, 2015, 11:38am »

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Shalom Zetar! Muchos Gracias! grin
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ONE AND ALL,

I SAW THIS AND IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF THIS TOPIC ~ AND ~ COUNTLESS OTHERS wink

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TO WIT:

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Darwinism at it's best, love it.

But surely it was set up ?

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« Reply #42 on: May 11th, 2015, 12:17pm »

Speaking of codswallop, you have to love this pitiful mea-culpa coming from Anthony Bragalia (quoted in this article by Frank Warren):

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2015/05/roswell-slides-update-mummy-is.html

You may remember Bragalia as the guy who claimed the Socorro incident, of 1964, was merely a "prank" perpetrated by a bunch of bored college students. In typical Phillip Klass style, the presumed "explanations" did not match up with what patrolman Lonnie Zamora reported. I mean, what are a few unexplained and glossed-over details when Bragalia can claim the case "solved"?

So old Tony did not have much credibility to lose. But, he goes directly into the codswallop bucket with Carey and Schmitt. So, the only thing learned is that these guys cannot tell the difference between a chocolate bar in a bucket and a floating bit of fecal matter.

I still do not know how anybody can look at the actual slide and think that mummy is not human.

Dumb and dumber?

I think so..... kiss

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