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« Reply #105 on: Oct 16th, 2011, 6:25pm »

Swamprat, that's an interesting post. The only input I have is that science has shown that life appears universal, even when the environment is extreme. But it's also true that we know of only one environment which supports complex life at this time.

On the subject of faster than light travel? After that experiment involving those neutrinos recently, and all the debate it has spawned, I stumbled across one article that was pretty well thought out. The author asserted that every competent scientist who offers up a theory, points out within it areas where it might fail, albeit in very subtle fashion. And he asked that everybody think about what Einstein meant about one specific point, 'motion is relative'. That states a bit more than the old everything being relative to the point of the observer, doesn't it? Yes, I know, he went to great lengths explaining that. But tie those two assertions together, and what might be insinuated?

Well I'm not going to pretend I could match Albert for intellect, but it does sound like he might have been telling us something, doesn't it? That great mind spent around a decade resolving all the points of General Relativity. He knew best what parts gave him the most trouble. Even though he spent the remainder of his life chasing unification, might we be reading too much into that? Just a thought.
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« Reply #106 on: Oct 17th, 2011, 10:10pm »

Wu, maybe it's better put like this; something is missing from the major headlines on a daily basis. Everybody senses it, but nobody can determine what it is. As a result, speculation abounds. Most of it far out in left field.

But what? When faced with endless possibilities, how does one find an answer? How do we plan for a future when such an important chunk remains (?intentionally?) hidden? What does that human intuition tell you?

You've said enough already that I know you've thought deeply on this subject. What is it that your gut has told you about this subject? Remember that all of us have encountered this question(s), else we would not be here.
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« Reply #107 on: Oct 17th, 2011, 10:42pm »

on Oct 17th, 2011, 10:10pm, icepick wrote:
Wu, maybe it's better put like this; something is missing from the major headlines on a daily basis. Everybody senses it, but nobody can determine what it is. As a result, speculation abounds. Most of it far out in left field.

But what? When faced with endless possibilities, how does one find an answer? How do we plan for a future when such an important chunk remains (?intentionally?) hidden? What does that human intuition tell you?

You've said enough already that I know you've thought deeply on this subject. What is it that your gut has told you about this subject? Remember that all of us have encountered this question(s), else we would not be here.


In all honesty my gut tells me there's no secret conspiracy going to happen that concerns an alien agenda...but I keep an open mind about ET having been here then or now. I think the ufo enigma is something other than ET.
But I don't rule out the idea that the super rich and those in power suspect that in the near future things might get rough on earth and they are preparing for that day and the rest of us are on our own.
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« Reply #108 on: Oct 18th, 2011, 01:02am »

No, there's no reason to suspect anybody is conspiring with aliens. Even though they've undoubtedly been around to whatever extent. Something is afoot though, but who knows what it is? I suspect its far more than the rich and powerful doublecrossing us, but I couldn't say what it is. I will pretty much guarantee you that it's big enough to make that crowd nervous, but that's as far as I'm going to go.

My friends all laud my intuitive and perceptive ability, but that does not make me a psychic. For that you would have to look elsewhere.

To be honest, emotion and personality type seems easy to me. Now if only I would learn to listen to that ...... but you know how that goes, right? Just never can judge somebody harshly .................. I know, there's a name for this.
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« Reply #109 on: Oct 19th, 2011, 4:04pm »

on Oct 18th, 2011, 01:02am, icepick wrote:
No, there's no reason to suspect anybody is conspiring with aliens. Even though they've undoubtedly been around to whatever extent. Something is afoot though, but who knows what it is? I suspect its far more than the rich and powerful doublecrossing us, but I couldn't say what it is. I will pretty much guarantee you that it's big enough to make that crowd nervous, but that's as far as I'm going to go.

My friends all laud my intuitive and perceptive ability, but that does not make me a psychic. For that you would have to look elsewhere.

To be honest, emotion and personality type seems easy to me. Now if only I would learn to listen to that ...... but you know how that goes, right? Just never can judge somebody harshly .................. I know, there's a name for this.


Maybe it's just rich folk being rich folk.
But have you ever read The Gods of Eden by Bramley?
One scary read if it's true.

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« Reply #110 on: Oct 19th, 2011, 11:29pm »

Yes, that's an unnerving piece. But the same is true of the fact that they buried Gobekli Tepe when they abandoned it. With a hill larger than any pyramid. It must have taken years.

Times before known history are open to speculation.
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« Reply #111 on: Oct 20th, 2011, 2:27pm »

on Oct 19th, 2011, 11:29pm, icepick wrote:
Yes, that's an unnerving piece. But the same is true of the fact that they buried Gobekli Tepe when they abandoned it. With a hill larger than any pyramid. It must have taken years.

Times before known history are open to speculation.



I did some reading since I am not that familiar with the details about this find ,but I don't see anything high tech here nor alien influenced. Were you implying that..?
A remarkable stone structure for the time period yes..but certainly not beyond human ingenuity. And they found the tools and quarries nearby.
Why do people so often tout these old stone structures as having been built/helped to by space aliens? Another evil aspect to speculation..?
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http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/modeling-gobekli-video
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« Reply #112 on: Oct 20th, 2011, 5:25pm »

No, no, no! That's not what I meant. Gobekli Tepe, while it was cool for its time, is quite primitive. What I was hinting at, is why did they take the time to bury it? The place is huge, so it must have taken a Herculean effort. None of the other sites which appear to have come from the same culture were buried. Granted, they're a thousand or more years younger, but still ............. what would drive a people to literally move a mountain to bury a religious site? It has got me stumped. I suspect something, but even then easier options should have been available.
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« Reply #113 on: Oct 20th, 2011, 10:26pm »

on Oct 20th, 2011, 5:25pm, icepick wrote:
No, no, no! That's not what I meant. Gobekli Tepe, while it was cool for its time, is quite primitive. What I was hinting at, is why did they take the time to bury it? The place is huge, so it must have taken a Herculean effort. None of the other sites which appear to have come from the same culture were buried. Granted, they're a thousand or more years younger, but still ............. what would drive a people to literally move a mountain to bury a religious site? It has got me stumped. I suspect something, but even then easier options should have been available.


Perhaps it was a natural phenom that covered it (like a flood.... wink) and the archaeologists are simply wrong.
Or maybe it was so sacred to them they didn't want their enemies to have it.
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« Reply #114 on: Oct 21st, 2011, 10:13am »

Or the priests that ran the place got so out of line that the public simply lost it, and rebelled. Short of inventing a time machine, I doubt we'll ever get past speculation on this one.

No question about it, Gobekli Tepe is an intriguing place.
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« Reply #115 on: Oct 23rd, 2011, 4:14pm »

on Oct 20th, 2011, 10:26pm, drwu23 wrote:
Perhaps it was a natural phenom that covered it (like a flood.... wink) and the archaeologists are simply wrong.
Or maybe it was so sacred to them they didn't want their enemies to have it.


The site was obviously buried manually, unless it was created in a hole to start with. But you have to keep in mind that the National Geographic article is highly misleading about the size/scope of the site. Only about ten percent of the main site has been excavated as of now. If completely excavated, it would be in close proximity of other sites which are allegedly younger, and have not been buried. The article barely touches on the younger sites, and makes no mention about the close proximity.

I might also point out that the methods used to date prehistoric sites with no organic material involved are at best controversial. They can get within an era fairly well, it's the methods of pinpointing the precise century that's controversial. They lead the public to believe it's a proven process, but within the archaeological community consensus gives way to more than debate. A perfect example is the methods they've used in dating sites in Israel, which some claim are precisely accurate, while others say it is inherently wrong. I agree with the latter group where pottery shards are concerned. The contention that designs on pottery were created only once is nearly laughable. We need only look at the way popular designs of anything were copied throughout known history to realize how absurd that hypothesis is.

But I should point out that something like a flood would not have produced a hill which neatly covered only the site, and composting in such an arid, rocky region would not take place. If so, the other sites would have been buried as well. The latter is the reason one can't point to no known ruins being the reason a prehistoric civilization couldn't have existed (Angkor Wat half buried in jungle after 700 years?), but it doesn't apply in less fertile regions. Like Egypt? Compare that to the problems to be had locating Mayan Ruins.

I do agree with your contention about archaeologists though. No other discipline is as guilty as they in leaving out so much in order to preserve their theories. This is why we are still told that they built the pyramids by pulling stones with ropes, while others in the scientific community continue to test other theories, because even they realize how ridiculous the concept is. How often do we read about the tests conducted on the rope theory? Right. Just because it's depicted on some wall does not make it so. Egyptologists themselves have discovered many times instances where those are outright lies, being merely some claim by a later pharoah, trying to claim the accomplishment of another. Or were the story of something that did not happen, or else the story on another wall did not happen. It seems the Egyptians were far less than honest about their history. If archaeologists tell us so little about that, what else might they be hiding? Or refusing to acknowledge? No other realm of science has been so openly challenged by the other disciplines. I wonder why?
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« Reply #116 on: Oct 28th, 2011, 12:13pm »

Open Minds TV

Searching Earth for signs of historical extraterrestrial presence

Jason McClellan
Oct 27, 2011

SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) astronomers have been scanning the skies for extraterrestrial signals for more than fifty years. But one scientist suggests launching a new approach that could complement SETI’s efforts in the search for extraterrestrial life.

Astrobiologist, physicist, and cosmologist Paul Davies has cooperated with SETI for thirty years, but believes scientists might have better luck finding evidence of extraterrestrial life here on Earth. According to Astrobiology Magazine, “Davies wants scientists to broaden their
thinking about how aliens could have left behind their mark.” He suggests that scientists should search our own planet for possible “footprints” left behind by ancient extraterrestrial visitors, “or even analyze the DNA of terrestrial organisms for signs of intelligent messages or tinkering.”

He explains that it is possible that intelligent extraterrestrials visited Earth long ago, and therefore there could be evidence of their visit, but “probability and the length of the universe’s age suggest that any such alien visit would have taken place before humans ever emerged on Earth.”

The evidence could be on our very own planet. We just have to find it. That is, if any traces of extraterrestrial visitation have survived for “hundreds of millions or billions of years for humans to still find them today.”

Davies feels that the search for evidence of extraterrestrial life here on Earth would complement SETI’s skyward efforts, even though he acknowledges that using radio telescopes to listen for alien signals is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

http://www.openminds.tv/searching-earth-for-signs-of-historical
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« Reply #117 on: Oct 28th, 2011, 9:01pm »

Swamprat, if one is willing to step outside of the realm of accredited science for a lead, the evidence might be easily found. Try the legends of the Greek Gods, who continually had sex with human women, producing very powerful hybrid demi gods. Does this sound suspiciously like another story from a source a world away back then? The Fallen Angels and the Nephilim?

Scientists shy away from this one like the plague, but those ruins in the Indus Valley really do have elevated levels of background radiation. Complete with epicenters. The Indian Government even cordoned one area off near there some time back because of this. It might be pertinent to point out that these discoveries took place before India started their nuclear program as well.

The same is true of an area near the Great Lakes, and there are forts with vitrified stone in Northern Scotland. The radiation levels, while elevated, are not extreme, as if anything which may have happened here took place long ago.

There is something to the concept of advanced civilizations existing here before the dawn of recorded history. If the areas we choose to build in are any clue, those are probably underwater now, where shorelines once were.

Food for thought. I guess time will tell. But many legends do speak of flying machines which sound very familiar. Who knows? Maybe ET is the descendants of the survivors of something, back to check on their old home?
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« Reply #118 on: Oct 29th, 2011, 3:10pm »

on Oct 28th, 2011, 9:01pm, icepick wrote:
Scientists shy away from this one like the plague, but those ruins in the Indus Valley really do have elevated levels of background radiation. Complete with epicenters. The Indian Government even cordoned one area off near there some time back because of this. It might be pertinent to point out that these discoveries took place before India started their nuclear program as well.

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An interesting article debunking that tale.....do you have actual science links or something else that supports that belief..? Just curious....

http://twitscope.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/evidence-of-nuclear-explosion-in-ancient-india/
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« Reply #119 on: Oct 30th, 2011, 01:13am »

No, the link covers most of it. There is only the radiation levels, as well as the suspicious way those alleged skeletons are arranged in the Indus Valley to back this up. Some scientists say a massive CME could have caused the same thing. Others say that would have killed everybody.

There are also some epicenters found there by one researcher from Britain. But he nearly committed career suicide when he published those findings, so now he is silent. Understandable.

If you have a link to an accredited site that can disprove this concept, please share. I have tried for decades, to no avail. Yes, this story predates the internet.

Oppenheimer was the first person to reference this when he quoted the Mahabarrata after the Trinity explosion. "Now I have become death, the destroyer of worlds". As well as saying that it was the first atomic explosion in modern times. Everybody wondered what he meant back in the 1940s, and some thought his mind was suffering from having developed such a devastating weapon. Who knows? Oppenheimer's life took an interesting turn after that.

If you can't provide a link, then I will continue to believe that the place could have been nuked. All of the signs are there, and the scientific community refuses to address it. Or discredit it. That I find strange.

One other thought. Some Cosmologists wonder how a gamma ray burst might strike the surface, if it might briefly hit one spot. But that wouldn't describe the other sites, would it? Until more is learned, I see this as a high probability, but something we need to know more about as well. Yourself?
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