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« Reply #75 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 12:03am »

on Jan 27th, 2012, 12:41am, icepick wrote:
I think you've stepped in it with this one Wu, even though I tend to share your viewpoint. Since I probably know as much about binary (base 2) number systems as anybody here, I took the time to formulate some kind of thought out answer.

My determination is that I need a linguist to come up with anything derived from scientific process. A very good one.

Why? The Hebrews are descendants of the Sumerians, and some of these stories were handed down ........... yes, from that far back. So how would translation from Cuneiform to the Hebrew Alphabet go? Hebrew has no vowels. Does Cuneiform work the same way? Are vowels interpreted? More yet, are vowels a step backwards? If one checks words in Ancient Hebrew, those vowels are easily anticipated.

But here comes the grand question. Some of these stories appear to be extremely ancient. Much to the dismay of Egyptologists, Sumer was ancient before Egypt was born. Do these stories date to the era of Sumerian pictoglyph and hieroglyphic writing?

Now can you sense the strain I felt after only a few minutes thought? I see this as a long shot, but I'm going to refuse to dismiss it outright. And I'm sure you know the reason for this is that to do so would be an outright avoidance of scientific procedure?

In my opinion it is the link to Sumer that keeps getting missed here. But once you bring up the issue of the Sumerian People, look at the anomalies. They were responsible (as far as is currently known) for nearly every facet of our modern world. Astronomy, government/law, architecture, mathematics, writing ........... need I go further? Yes, their civilization lasted longer than any other. Still, is this not an extreme number of firsts? And why did they disappear so suddenly?

Much of that is beside the point though. The Sumer link is the fly in the ointment here. Do we have a resident Cuneiform expert to assist me? If so, in a few years we can take a shot at an answer. If not, I must declare this debate wide open.

It's amazing. I had never realized how intriguing this subject truly is until I thought about it.


I see the connection with the ancient Hebrews and Sumerians and many scholars have pointed this out but what has that to do with secret codes in the Bible that actually predict future events? Are we actually postulating that 'God' or space aliens told our ancestors to put secret codes in the Bible? Seriously? How is that science btw?
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« Reply #76 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 12:05am »

on Jan 26th, 2012, 09:09am, GForce wrote:
Drwu, like everything else we discuss here, the Bible codes are a topic of debate. Whether itís real or just a coincidence is at the center of debate IMO. Religious folks may take a greater interest in the topic than non believers but considering the topic its easy to understand why. Personally I find it interesting, sort of along the same lines as predictions from noted psychics. Is it real? Not sure but what if it is?


A topic of debate among who? Scientists and actual experts or fringe believers who want to find something to support their personal beliefs..?
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« Reply #77 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 12:17am »

on Jan 28th, 2012, 12:03am, drwu23 wrote:
I see the connection with the ancient Hebrews and Sumerians and many scholars have pointed this out but what has that to do with secret codes in the Bible that actually predict future events? Are we actually postulating that 'God' or space aliens told our ancestors to put secret codes in the Bible? Seriously? How is that science btw?


Forget all about science for a minute Wu. Ask yourself if the translation(s) would still retain the code.

See where I'm coming from? I'm having a real problem with this. Do you see why? Actually, I'm sure you do. Four different writing systems and how many languages? Could it possibly still carry?
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« Reply #78 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 12:22am »

on Jan 28th, 2012, 12:17am, icepick wrote:
Forget all about science for a minute Wu. Ask yourself if the translation(s) would still retain the code.

See where I'm coming from? I'm having a real problem with this. Do you see why? Actually, I'm sure you do. Four different writing systems and how many languages? Could it possibly still carry?


Well no.... it doesn't seem like any code written in one language would carry over to another completely different language. On that basis alone then the code becomes merely an accidental artifact that people want to believe in.
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« Reply #79 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 01:42am »

Yes, it would seem that way. From glyphs to Cuneiform to Hebrew to modern writing as well. The step from the Hebrew Alphabet to modern ones is where it gets blown out of the water in my opinion. The entire structure changes for what? The third time here?

Until yesterday I thought I had a solid fix on how old the Bible Stories were. Today I realize how laughable that was. Now I wonder how far back they, and the roots of the Hebrews/Sumerians go?
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« Reply #80 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 03:29am »

For me I do not see how sum code could not carry over from tongue to tongue, but I am convinced the code predates any type/form of speech or writing, (also) convinced am I sum code is with in EVERYTHING, (also) DNA, and how the Human body functions, for me this IS NOT a fringe believe system based on faith, for me it is a matter of fact.
I (also) am not asking ANYONE to believe this the way I do.
I will ask to prove it wrong.
PLEASE DO IT IN YOUR OWN
MILKY KINDA WAY

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"YOUR WITH WORD COMFORT NOT PUNISH ALL"
Hebrew=3738
English=2700
Simple=450
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« Reply #81 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 09:11am »

on Jan 28th, 2012, 12:05am, drwu23 wrote:
A topic of debate among who? Scientists and actual experts or fringe believers who want to find something to support their personal beliefs..?
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Actually all the above!

The codes are there the debate revolves around. Are they an act of God or just random chance? I actually see both sides. Since I have the software I will admit it is interesting to dabble with. It reminds me of when I used an Ouija board and had success. I wondered if it was spirits controlling the movement of my subconscious. It's hard to say. However the results were real.

I can't discount the possibility of the codes being random but I also can't close my eyes to the results.
It would be foolish on my part to at least not keep an open mind to all possibilities.
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« Reply #82 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 10:50am »

on Jan 28th, 2012, 09:11am, GForce wrote:
Actually all the above!

The codes are there the debate revolves around. Are they an act of God or just random chance? I actually see both sides. Since I have the software I will admit it is interesting to dabble with. It reminds me of when I used an Ouija board and had success. I wondered if it was spirits controlling the movement of my subconscious. It's hard to say. However the results were real.

I can't discount the possibility of the codes being random but I also can't close my eyes to the results.
It would be foolish on my part to at least not keep an open mind to all possibilities.


Where are the real language experts and science on this? Is there any actual peer reviewed work being done? From what i have read this is in the fringe area only currently.
And as ice and i have pointed out language changes and translations would destroy any 'code' unless one believes that 'God' can miraculously see to it that the 'code' remains intact. That simply doesn't work for me and i assume any actual scientist.
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« Reply #83 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 6:11pm »

on Jan 28th, 2012, 10:50am, drwu23 wrote:
Where are the real language experts and science on this? Is there any actual peer reviewed work being done? From what i have read this is in the fringe area only currently.
And as ice and i have pointed out language changes and translations would destroy any 'code' unless one believes that 'God' can miraculously see to it that the 'code' remains intact. That simply doesn't work for me and i assume any actual scientist.


In the History channel documentary they had professionals from both sides. Honestly it really never proved or debunked the codes. Like all things religious it boils down to faith for many. For me I find it a curosity. One thing I do know for sure is that they've made money on the software.
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on Jan 28th, 2012, 6:11pm, GForce wrote:
In the History channel documentary they had professionals from both sides. Honestly it really never proved or debunked the codes. Like all things religious it boils down to faith for many. For me I find it a curosity. One thing I do know for sure is that they've made money on the software.


Hi Dan;

Once I remembered that there is a Sumerian link to be made here, it dawned on me that this concept has a real problem. Enough of the Old Testament stories were originally known by the Sumerian People to indicate that the script of the Torah is far older than we realize. Chances are that they date back to their system of glyphs, which may date back as far as 8,000 BC. The people of Sumer were nothing if not amazing. I am not the greatest programmer ever by any means, but I am good enough to have a clue as to how unbelievably complex the algorithms would have to be in order to make the jump of a single writing system with the code intact.

But I will offer one possible means of convincing me, and possibly Wu as well, that the code is real. Solve one of history's greatest mysteries. Namely, why did Sumerian Civilization vanish so suddenly. Can that be found?
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on Jan 28th, 2012, 7:48pm, icepick wrote:
Hi Dan;

Once I remembered that there is a Sumerian link to be made here, it dawned on me that this concept has a real problem. Enough of the Old Testament stories were originally known by the Sumerian People to indicate that the script of the Torah is far older than we realize. Chances are that they date back to their system of glyphs, which may date back as far as 8,000 BC. The people of Sumer were nothing if not amazing. I am not the greatest programmer ever by any means, but I am good enough to have a clue as to how unbelievably complex the algorithms would have to be in order to make the jump of a single writing system with the code intact.

But I will offer one possible means of convincing me, and possibly Wu as well, that the code is real. Solve one of history's greatest mysteries. Namely, why did Sumerian Civilization vanish so suddenly. Can that be found?


From what I understand the Sumerians were absorbed into the Akkadian population somewhere around 1700 BC.
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« Reply #86 on: Jan 29th, 2012, 01:01am »

That's purely theory Dan. In truth, historians haven't a clue. The Sumerian People disappeared earlier anyway, circa 2,200 BC. History texts don't deliver this properly, because they have little or no hard evidence.

Besides, we do know what happened to some of them. The Hebrews descended from the Sumerians (Abraham was a Prince of Ur), and they turned up in Egypt around the start of the Middle Kingdom. Why did they leave? They had been part of the best established civilization on Earth. Despite egyptologist's claims about Egyptian greatness. Egypt refined itself greatly during the Middle Kingdom era. Did they learn this from the Hebrews? Did Ahkenaten learn monotheism from them?

If the code exists, should it not have those answers for us? How cool would that be?
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on Jan 29th, 2012, 01:01am, icepick wrote:
If the code exists,


This is where we differ Tim. I'm quite certain the codes exist. The question I have is if they're mearly random words and phrases or placed there by something greater than us. Dan
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« Reply #88 on: Jan 29th, 2012, 11:08am »

MR<>grinAN,
That is the question I have been trying to solve.
I have not been working with the "TORAH CODE", I have been doing a experiment with "THE BIBLE CODE", and how does this mechanism work.
The results are sometimes unbelievable, the extraction below is the tightest matrix I have yet to calculate, it is extraction #37.
"MOUTHS WAS THE JOY SOW WEEPING WITH"
type those words into the calculator below
www.gematrix.org
H=5715
E=2508
S=418
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« Reply #89 on: Jan 30th, 2012, 12:00am »

MOKSHA, try the same using Cuneiform. Does it produce the same results? This question stems from pure curiosity by the way. I can't use that writing system.
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