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« Reply #120 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 05:10am »

they look like us, plants and animals look the same too.

on Feb 19th, 2016, 11:44pm, Cliff-67 wrote:
Im not sticking up for anyone here.... Science itself has its ways of validating certain things... Until something else comes along and proves it wrong under certain circumstances...I personally keep an open mind and rule nothing out...
Life seems to find a way.
Water... Life on the moon? Possible. Maybe not a lifeform were (yet) familiar with.

Note to self : Expanding and opening the mind...
= infinite possibilities.

Z : THX FOR THE REMINDER ON THE GALILEANS....THOSE ARE COOL TO OBSERVE VISUALLY TOO ! BECAUSE OF DISTANCE HOWEVER... THEY ARE NOT QUITE WITHIN THE GOLDILOCKS ZONE...YET... STILL INEXCLUDABLE.... EUROPA COMES TO MIND.........
I REMEMBER WHEN SCIENCE BOOKS SAID THERE WERE ONLY NINE MOONS ORBITING JUPITER.....LAUGHS !

SO MUCH LEARNED OVER TIME AY ? !

SATURNS MOON TITAN ALSO...COULD HAVE LIFE....I AM SURE THERE IS LIFE THROUGHOUT THIS VAST UNIVERSE.....WHEREVER/HOWEVER IT MAY HAVE FOUND A WAY.... TRANSPERMIA.... PANSPERMIA? WHO KNOWS ? ITS HERE...ON PLANET EARTH..................FOR SURE ! ( I THINK ) cheesy

BTW Z - I DIDNT KNOW JIMI PLAYED THE FIDDLE ....FAR OUT AND ALL THAT HIPPY GROOVY STUFF....DIG ! ? grin

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« Reply #121 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 07:06am »

here is one of the rare photos of an "extraterrestrial" nicked "kenio" from "amicizia", italian contact case that went on over 30 years,

many of these poeple are not really extraterrestrial since many of them live on earth underground, thus are as much as earthling as we are, only more so.

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« Reply #122 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 08:55am »

just to clear things up:

Though highly unlikely: I have no problem with the ""possibility"" of life/ water etc on the moon. Who really knows, I don't that's for sure...

I've no problem with others believing this!!

The problem I do have is when the likes of this thread starter post photos insisting they are proof of his belief & I'm closed minded if I do not agree.

This is what I'm moaning about. Nothing more.....

Peace.

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« Reply #123 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 09:05am »

DEJ,

TO WIT:

"just to clear things up:

Though highly unlikely: I have no problem with the ""possibility"" of life/ water etc on the moon. Who really knows, I don't that's for sure...

I've no problem with others believing this!!

The problem I do have is when the likes of this thread starter post photos insisting they are proof of his belief & I'm closed minded if I do not agree.

This is what I'm moaning about. Nothing more.....

Peace.

dej..."

WORKS FOR ME ~ IF I WAS SOMEWHAT TERSE IN MY REPLY ~ PARDON ME ~ ALWAYS A TASK/CHALLENGE WITH THOSE PASSIONATE ABOUT UNUSUAL TOPICS/SUBJECTS ~ wink

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« Reply #124 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 11:08am »

on Feb 20th, 2016, 10:26am, Gort wrote:
I have a couple of bottles of moon water which I obtained from a covert CIA operative who was a close friend of mine.
This water tastes great but is like no other water youíve ever tasted because of the various moon minerals. I was going to sell it on eBay but I didnít think anybody would believe me. So I thought I could probably sell it here.



hmmm your CIA friend's name wouldn't be Agent Dave. D. Davis by any chance?

He sold me an alien time displacement unit he got from area 51.

Turned out to be faulty:

I dialed in the co-ordinates of a remote pacific island & ended up on the top shelf of a bloody Russian car parts shop among the air filters --, so I'd take what Dave says with a pinch of salt! wink
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« Reply #125 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 11:41am »

on Feb 17th, 2016, 06:28am, GhostofEd wrote:
For those that could be bothered.

Tsiolkovsky crater: A window into crustal processes on the lunar farside

http://www.planetary.brown.edu/pdfs/2426.pdf



I definitely could be bothered, GhostofEd, thanks for informative read!

Thoughts (also taking other comments inforum under advisement). Well, on the interchangeability of possible vs. probable: for me Probable indicates a higher level of probability than Possible, so possible is precisely the sum of potential I see for Positron's claims. To sway me to use PROBABLE-labels the member needs to explain more, add factual and reasoned evidence (photos are not quite enough for me).

As said. Nice link smiley and useful as scientific baseline. What stood out to me as a weak aspect is a degree of 'confirmation bias' and looped reasoning, specifically relying on wavelength spectrum analysis (spaceprobe Clementine) to determine which filters / coloration should be used in the lunar images. The 'hard' spectra wavelength data, for instance telling the scientists Positron's favorite wink mooncrater = lake has a volcanic basalt surface, arguable led those creating the images to manipulate imagery until they indeed show us ancient volcanic crust and sediment.

Simply: the images are to a large degree interpretive. Of course, any US conspiracy hiding weird lunar secrets would make sure to dilute/falsify the fundamental hard, scientific data. (Like when, as argued, Clementine's raw yield actually recorded Positron's lunar lakes.)

As sidenote, I saw nothing showing that dr Wu is a troll. Maybe a virulent skeptic, occasionally exploring the very limits of friendly forum interaction. I sympathise with how you feel Positron (I'm a hardcore conspiracist myself), but imho you are not besieged by forum trolls. Just a tough crowd asking hard questions. (If personally attacked / site rules broken, pm any mod with a reasoned complaint!)

Ed, my take for all it's worth: Positron's moon theory, although unorthodox, even preposterous, has not yet been debunked.


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« Reply #126 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 11:58am »

Note to the secret NASA guys (or Gort?). Launch a nice Moon Vodka line and I promise to order a bottle!

cheesy


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« Reply #127 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 12:15pm »

on Feb 20th, 2016, 11:51am, Gort wrote:
But you missed the whole point.

i know exactly what point you're making...

what makes you think i missed it huh
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« Reply #128 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 12:35pm »

short add to purrs comment, it is not a "US conspiracy", it is world wide effort, so monstrous in it's scope avarage joe simply cannot process it or is too occupied taking selfies anyway.
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« Reply #129 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 12:50pm »

on Feb 20th, 2016, 12:19pm, Gort wrote:
In other words my response was sarcastic humor to this tread which seems unending. It was an attempt to interject some humor.

Really- It was a joke? shocked Well I never.

& there's me thinking you really had 2 bottles of moon water.. Silly me embarassed
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« Reply #130 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 2:37pm »

on Feb 20th, 2016, 11:41am, purr wrote:
Ed, my take for all it's worth: Positron's moon theory, although unorthodox, even preposterous, has not yet been debunked.

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purr, is it worthy of being debunked? The word debunked sets a tone and starts to play the victim card IMO. You can't question any of the evidence because none has really been presented. You end up trying to disprove the conspiracy angle which says nothing about the validity of the claims. The burden of proof and research is being tossed back to the skeptic when it should be put forward by the person making the extraordinary claim. It's backwards logic.

I don't agree with your suggestion that the writers of the paper I linked to manipulated the images and used confirmation bias to support their conclusions. I think they followed the science and knowledge as best known. Should they have started using speculative and questionable procedures? I'm sure this paper was peer reviewed and had several iterations before being published. I'll have to stand by the judgement of those more versed in spectral analysis procedures and how it applies to geophysical research. Of course one can say this was a cover up (without proof) and we're back to square one. If the conclusions are wrong then the opportunity is there for others to take the raw data and form new opinions. Perhaps a believer in a life filled green moon should do it and present it. I won't hold my breath. I wonder how many others here read the paper. I linked it because it should be read by both sides of the debate and is an example how one can possibly learn something from what some think is a worthless thread.

Now what is missing in this moon discussion (is it even a discussion?) are any references and studies that support positrons position. (I like that term positron position) Where's something meaningful to discuss? When one has to start off asking where a certain image came from, how taken, by whom, when, etc. it's a bad start. We are told it is obvious the images show life, vegetation, water so that's end of story and to believe otherwise is being duped by the PTB's. Same for claims by individuals (authors?) wrapped in stories of extraordinary things i.e., teleportation of veggies from a truck. A picture of some person we are asked to believe is an ET. Who are these people, their evidence besides biased UFO shows/videos asking one to believe their and acquaintances stories?

Where's the beef? Without it there's nothing to discuss except the philosophical difference between probable and possible. I eat my oats because I do not believe it is possible to survive on water alone. grin
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« Reply #131 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 4:06pm »

on Feb 20th, 2016, 2:37pm, GhostofEd wrote:
purr, is it worthy of being debunked? The word debunked sets a tone and starts to play the victim card IMO. You can't question any of the evidence because none has really been presented. You end up trying to disprove the conspiracy angle which says nothing about the validity of the claims. The burden of proof and research is being tossed back to the skeptic when it should be put forward by the person making the extraordinary claim. It's backwards logic.

I don't agree with your suggestion that the writers of the paper I linked to manipulated the images and used confirmation bias to support their conclusions. I think they followed the science and knowledge as best known. Should they have started using speculative and questionable procedures? I'm sure this paper was peer reviewed and had several iterations before being published. I'll have to stand by the judgement of those more versed in spectral analysis procedures and how it applies to geophysical research. Of course one can say this was a cover up (without proof) and we're back to square one. If the conclusions are wrong then the opportunity is there for others to take the raw data and form new opinions. Perhaps a believer in a life filled green moon should do it and present it. I won't hold my breath. I wonder how many others here read the paper. I linked it because it should be read by both sides of the debate and is an example how one can possibly learn something from what some think is a worthless thread.

Now what is missing in this moon discussion (is it even a discussion?) are any references and studies that support positrons position. (I like that term positron position) Where's something meaningful to discuss? When one has to start off asking where a certain image came from, how taken, by whom, when, etc. it's a bad start. We are told it is obvious the images show life, vegetation, water so that's end of story and to believe otherwise is being duped by the PTB's. Same for claims by individuals (authors?) wrapped in stories of extraordinary things i.e., teleportation of veggies from a truck. A picture of some person we are asked to believe is an ET. Who are these people, their evidence besides biased UFO shows/videos asking one to believe their and acquaintances stories?

Where's the beef? Without it there's nothing to discuss except the philosophical difference between probable and possible. I eat my oats because I do not believe it is possible to survive on water alone. grin


Well said Ghost and that sums it up. Positron has supplied nothing at all to support his contention . Even the pics he has posted are completely interpretive and extremely speculative regarding anything concrete. It doesn't even need debunking . IMHO anyone who thinks there is merit to these claims has a real problem understanding science regarding the moon . It smacks of pure conspiracy theory coupled with paranoia that the world govts are fooling us about the moon. This is right up there with the moon hoax landing , Diana murder nonsense , and other silly conspiracies.
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« Reply #132 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 5:46pm »

sleazy and desperate attacks of few local vermins are but a pitful attempt to stop the Truth. yet they forget, the Truth can NOT be stopped, as it is independent of them and the filth they try to smear it with. amen.
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« Reply #133 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 6:36pm »

so, you have a crush on mulder? sorry girl, i am taken.

on Feb 20th, 2016, 6:04pm, Gort wrote:
As Scully tries to comfort Mulder!
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« Reply #134 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 6:50pm »

i said i am taken, but i can send you my poster.
stare at it for 2 hours every day, than take a sip
of moon water. after few days your brains should
grow right back. if not, rinse and repeat.


on Feb 20th, 2016, 6:40pm, Gort wrote:
Okay, trying to be sincere here. A few drops of moon water will make you greatly intelligent or dumb. It all depends on what it has to start with. So if youíre dumb itíll make you even dumber, if you are intelligent itíll even make you more intelligent. The question you have to ask yourself before you take a few drops are you willing to take the chance. If you hesitate that is a bad sign and I wonít send you any moon water.
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