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xx Re: Water, atmosphere and life on the moon
« Reply #135 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 05:10am »

on Feb 20th, 2016, 5:46pm, positron wrote:
sleazy and desperate attacks of few local vermins are but a pitful attempt to stop the Truth. yet they forget, the Truth can NOT be stopped, as it is independent of them and the filth they try to smear it with. amen.


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sleazy and desperate attacks of few local vermins are but a pitful attempt to stop the Truth.


So in your mind what you have posted thus far is the truth? Tell me something, what is "Truth"? I see Nutters, "Conspiracy Theorists" say this all the time and half of them make [mod edit: expletive denoting fecal excretion] up in order to claim its the truth.

Avoid the alternative news sites they will lead you down a path of disinformation.
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« Reply #136 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 05:19am »

there is enough disinformation out there to keep those of lower intelligence utterly confused and raging like a mad dog at the subject in general, just like you.

on Feb 21st, 2016, 05:10am, WingNut wrote:
So in your mind what you have posted thus far is the truth? Tell me something, what is "Truth"? I see Nutters, "Conspiracy Theorists" say this all the time and half of them make shit up in order to claim its the truth.

Avoid the alternative news sites they will lead you down a path of disinformation.
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« Reply #137 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 07:23am »

on Feb 21st, 2016, 05:19am, positron wrote:
there is enough disinformation out there to keep those of lower intelligence utterly confused and raging like a mad dog at the subject in general, just like you.



Not getting into a flame war here...got more important things to do.
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« Reply #138 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 08:08am »

stick your head in the sand and keep it there.

on Feb 21st, 2016, 07:23am, WingNut wrote:
Not getting into a flame war here...got more important things to do.
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« Reply #139 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 08:44am »

on Feb 21st, 2016, 08:08am, positron wrote:
stick your head in the sand and keep it there.



Mine is...Just your disinfo campaign is failing and insults are all you have left.
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« Reply #140 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:06am »

my insults? what a self-irony. insults is all you ever had here and your desperate attacks toward the Truth i presented have always been in vain.

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Mine is...Just your disinfo campaign is failing and insults are all you have left.
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« Reply #141 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:06am »

I understand that astronomers propose the construction of telescopes on the far side of the Moon as there is no atmosphere to cause the distortion that plagues them on Earth.

Positron, how can they have become so misled ?

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« Reply #142 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:10am »

Last try.
OK letís get back (although we were never there) to discussing the evidence(?) presented in the very first post of this thread. Besides the claims that can't be directly refuted because of no supporting material i.e., we are being asked to just believe - there are some things that can be addressed. A couple of the many that I have issues with are:

Claim 1:
Buck Nelson stating he could not see off into the distance while he was on the moon because it was hazy - thus implying an atmosphere.
Problem: This is inconsistent with simple earthed based observations even with small telescopes. You see no traces of clouds or other obvious traces of an atmosphere and shadows near the terminator are sharp and clear because there is no air on the moon to scatter light and soften shadows. You can watch stars disappear behind the limb (edge of the disk) without dimming. These simple observations and basic science do not support the claim of an atmosphere especially one that can be hazy when observed close up. It also ties into the questionable reasoning of Claim 2 below as to the counter argument being the atmosphere is not present on the near side.

Claim 2:
Rolf Telano saying that the atmosphere, water and consequently the life is mainly concentrated on the far side and can be explained analogous to centrifugal force.
Problem: This ignores gravitational effects and seems to me fundamentally flawed from first principles of physics. If the supposed atmosphere and water on the moon is affected so much by centrifugal force why does the earth not exhibit this extreme effect? Both moon and earth are rotating and are in orbit. How does this centrifugal force on the moon reconcile with what is measured on the earth in regards to the tides and earth equator bulge? This is just scratching the surface in what is involved with the study of atmospheric forces. I think Telano is wrong, misapplying physics in a simplistic manner to hand wave an explanation to his readers who will not bother to question what he is saying.

I'd be interested in meaningful comments or point by point refutation/corrections about the above.
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« Reply #143 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:16am »

INT21, that is repeating of the same assumption that moon is airless.
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« Reply #144 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:22am »

i understand your points, why don't astronomers see it? maybe atmosphere is much closer to the surface and too thin in the upper layers to be observed.

as for rolf telano, he says most of the atmosphere and water is on the far side, not all of it. most of these contactees reported snow topped vulcanic mountains and that many of the "craters" are in fact mountain ranges.

on Feb 21st, 2016, 09:10am, GhostofEd wrote:
Last try.
OK letís get back (although we were never there) to discussing the evidence(?) presented in the very first post of this thread. Besides the claims that can't be directly refuted because of no supporting material i.e., we are being asked to just believe - there are some things that can be addressed. A couple of the many that I have issues with are:

Claim 1:
Buck Nelson stating he could not see off into the distance while he was on the moon because it was hazy - thus implying an atmosphere.
Problem: This is inconsistent with simple earthed based observations even with small telescopes. You see no traces of clouds or other obvious traces of an atmosphere and shadows near the terminator are sharp and clear because there is no air on the moon to scatter light and soften shadows. You can watch stars disappear behind the limb (edge of the disk) without dimming. These simple observations and basic science do not support the claim of an atmosphere especially one that can be hazy when observed close up. It also ties into the questionable reasoning of Claim 2 below as to the counter argument being the atmosphere is not present on the near side.

Claim 2:
Rolf Telano saying that the atmosphere, water and consequently the life is mainly concentrated on the far side and can be explained analogous to centrifugal force.
Problem: This ignores gravitational effects and seems to me fundamentally flawed from first principles of physics. If the supposed atmosphere and water on the moon is affected so much by centrifugal force why does the earth not exhibit this extreme effect? Both moon and earth are rotating and are in orbit. How does this centrifugal force on the moon reconcile with what is measured on the earth in regards to the tides and earth equator bulge? This is just scratching the surface in what is involved with the study of atmospheric forces. I think Telano is wrong, misapplying physics in a simplistic manner to hand wave an explanation to his readers who will not bother to question what he is saying.

I'd be interested in meaningful comments or point by point refutation/corrections about the above.
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« Reply #145 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:25am »

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« Reply #146 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:25am »

I suspect that I can provide many more scientific references that support that point of view than you can for yours.

But If you are intent on sticking to your believe then there really is no point in discussing it further.

Be assured, the day you version of reality is confirmed I will offer you my most profound apology.

But I don't think I will have to.

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« Reply #147 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:35am »

i was here 1,5 years ago, i will be again in 1,5 if needed to see that apology. i knew i will get no gratification for doing this, your apology means nothing. i find it IMPORTANT for this to be known. time will do the rest.

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I suspect that I can provide many more scientific references that support that point of view than you can for yours.

But If you are intent on sticking to your believe then there really is no point in discussing it further.

Be assured, the day you version of reality is confirmed I will offer you my most profound apology.

But I don't think I will have to.

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« Reply #148 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:40am »

So you admit that nothing has changed in the last one point five year.

...i find it IMPORTANT for this to be known..

The truth is always important. Unfortunately, your version is simply wrong.

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« Reply #149 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 09:47am »

wingnut has accused me that this is my "DISINFO CAMPAIGN".
will he apologize too? who cares afterall? i have willingly exposed
myself to troll attacks like this. why? because word needs to know
the truth. only truth, and nothing but, can free this world.
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