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« Reply #195 on: Mar 2nd, 2016, 4:44pm »

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xx Re: Water, atmosphere and life on the moon
« Reply #196 on: Mar 2nd, 2016, 5:33pm »

on Feb 21st, 2016, 5:07pm, GhostofEd wrote:
purr, you'll have to expand on this. What images in particular are you saying NASA enhanced(?) to look like what they wanted? You know that something looking like water does not make it water especially when there are indicators to the contrary. No serious researcher goes by pictorials alone (excluding spectral, UV and other filtering). Sure, if there is nothing else to go on there may be tentative hypothesis's but you won't see any solid conclusions being taken seriously. That rigor should be demanded of the scientific community as well as the alternate view advocates. What's fair is fair. grin

I could argue they did not change any images because they were not too successful since some people still think it's water or other signs of life they see.

This touches on another post questioning original images and that they don't look like what is shown elsewhere or believed changed. My understanding is that except for images intended for press and other publication releases i.e., advertising, etc. to put the best pleasing images out to the general public (who wants to see an off centered tilted image on the cover of Time Magazine!), is that raw images are available with minimal enhancement required to recompose the data into an image. This is for digital captures because images sent back are not a jpg but rather data that has to adjusted to account for the calibration of the camera, sensors and other variables. Old film is scanned and the procedure used is readily obtainable. But we've been down this road before in the thread from 1.5 years ago. I'm not going to rehash what was discussed regarding that aspect of this discussion.


Hi Ed,

I regret promising a swift response to your post followed by a long delay in answering.

But this is a fun subject. A maddeningly weird one. And, whatever the truth is, always important, because the Moon is essential to our earthly life.

So here goes nothing. Expanding next:

I've engaged in this very discussion before too, GhostofEd, probably even with same players / other avatar-usernames. I'll add some of what I can remember from my reading/research relevant to this topic.

You asked what was specifically 'altered'/enhanced? Well, I've been reading the text you linked, and it refers beginning to end to the findings and approach to its research as "interpretation", with measurements subject to continuous calibrations, the scientists 'correcting' repeatedly 'incorrect' data (as they came in raw). So my initial answer would have been: the Clementine data and the research findings derived from them, in particular as they apply to the exemplary (for lunar farside geology) Tsiolkovsky crater. Added to that (from my memory of earlier discussion of space imagery, included purportive secret moon footage / photos), I remember that space photos generally have involved a difficult interpretation of off-world visual conditions, as well as limitations of camera/recording technology. B&W photos/film shows us a version of other planets with true color removed. Color pics show us researchers/analysts SELECTION of colors added. (They base their choices of filters/corrections/alteration/enhancement on data collected millions of miles away in alien environments, and subsequently analyzed, perhaps vetted/sanitized..?.. by space agencies.) Simply: they think they know what things are made of, what they should look like, and unsurprisingly, their findings risk passing on such slamdunks to us'all.

Clementine was primed to look for mineral rocks expected, 'known' to exist in Tsiolkovsky's surfaces (and other farside formations).




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Olivine, another igneous, solidified from the molten state, rock Clementine was tasked to look for, and did indeed detect.




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Naturally formed basalt formations (earthly example) analogous to Clementines wavelength spectrum analysis of Tsiolkovsky crater.




Take just the above three extreme thermal impact generated materials, allowing they formed naturally, will be jumbled up/rough/eroded and recorded from various space vehicles' orbital perspective and you will see how Positron's starter images might appear both realistic and reminiscent of a large watery lake. (By the way, Tsiolkovsky and endless other craters suggest the Moon took a big, extinction level hit for planet Earth, vital shielding without which earthly life might be less likely / impossible?)

It's down to chicken or egg. To be or not to be a conspiracy theorist. Do our governments have a responsibility to decide what the public knows and doesn't know? Could certain knowledge do us harm?

Haha. If the moon were truly full of life and water (and space teeming with those 57 alien species Heinz Ketchup allegedly commemorates!) this would be uh... UPSETTING. Why wouldn't then state players manipulate Clementine (and other space probe) data, directing what our scientists (thus us lay persons) know, so we end up with ancient craters of solidified magma basalt, accidentally, spectacularly resembling water lakes. So everyone can sleep at night, enjoy the full Moon, no one unduly upset.

On the other hand, in fairness to skeptical reasoning, sometimes a beautiful crystaline impact crater is just a crater. I like to keep an open mind here. Hope I haven't bored you with an overly long post!


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« Reply #197 on: Mar 2nd, 2016, 6:19pm »

Purr,

..Haha. If the moon were truly full of life and water (and space teeming with those 57 alien species Heinz Ketchup allegedly commemorates!) this would be uh... UPSETTING..

You have a talent for understatement.

The big fight with our dear departed colleague is that he was denying the fundamental discoveries and scientific knowledge of 150 years of research. Particularly when stating that the Moon had an atmosphere.

Maybe we could have accepted a fraction of a percentage chance that there had been structures found on the dark side. Who built them would be another thing.

But the idea of green valleys and standing water was too much.

And the idea that, at the same time we were fighting wars with piston engined aircraft that could barely reach 400 mph our leaders were regularly commuting to secret bases on the Moon was too ridiculous to be funny after the first half dozen posts.

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« Reply #198 on: Mar 4th, 2016, 12:01pm »

Hal,
You are right on the money with your post.
The original poster never supported his claims with any actual evidence nor science but just kept posting the same opinion and doctored pics.
It's abundantly clear to anyone that there is no actual free standing water or vegetation growing on the moon in the open.
Regarding alien structures ,etc....that has also not been shown to be the case with regard to pics etc. None of the ones that have been circulating over the years are proof of anything based on the quality of those images. While such a thing is certainly possible, assuming one believes in aliens on the moon to begin with, it has yet to be shown with any hard proof.
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« Reply #199 on: Mar 5th, 2016, 12:36pm »

Thank you purr


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I've only posted a few times to this thread. I think your mistaken.



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« Reply #200 on: Mar 5th, 2016, 1:10pm »

on Mar 5th, 2016, 12:36pm, Gort wrote:
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Hi Gort, you're both right and wrong. Other than that, that's a perfectly legitimate question. Let's take it to the pm system (feel free to ask away in there). Sending you a pm with the info you asked for.

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« Reply #202 on: Mar 5th, 2016, 3:54pm »

Ed,

..The original poster got tossed, the mods read everyone else the riot act and that was the end of the discussion..

Those who do not learn by the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

Or so it seems.

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« Reply #203 on: Mar 6th, 2016, 11:30am »

^ That just about sums it up.....the only one causing a true problem imho was the OP.

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« Reply #204 on: Mar 15th, 2016, 05:05am »

thank you purr for open-mindness and support. i mark my return and thread revival with apollo frame AS13-60-8659, showing shores of tsiolkovsky and the surrounding wonders.




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« Reply #207 on: Mar 15th, 2016, 6:47pm »

on Mar 15th, 2016, 05:05am, pos1tron wrote:
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You're very welcome, Pos1tron, be it that I support the free exchange of ideas / information!

Thanks for selecting a pic requiring less or no scrolling. The Moon is an amazing place to look at. Tsiolkovsky always draws the eye. Your version does look remarkably lake like (in Reply # 196 I tried to show certain minerals also may appear like water when imaged from orbit).

Could you explain in layperson's terms why the Moonphotos you selected and present here look more 'watery' than for instance the lunar galleries I googled (like the 'wrong' photo you replaced within your post)? What imaging process differentiates the two versions of lunar appearance? Are you sure NASA / JPL and other national space agencies do this on purpose?


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« Reply #209 on: Mar 15th, 2016, 7:00pm »

i also want to bring attention to so called "dzenibekov effect". this is an unusual effect that any object spinning in zero g
makes sharp 180 flips every 43cm. it was named after russian air force general vladimir dzhanibekov. it was
discovered in 1985 by vladimir alexandrovich during his fifth flight on sojuz t-13 and on orbital station salyut-7 (6. june
- 26. september 1985). makes me wonder why we don't see this effect on iss. here are few videos from an original
article on russian: http://www.orator.ru/int_19.html.









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