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« Reply #210 on: Mar 15th, 2016, 7:52pm »

So, how would you explain the absence of the dzenibekov effect on the ISS, Pos1tron? (Any member seen it demonstrated on that space station?)

It this a small scale version of the physics we see in planetary pole reversal?

Does the ISS have (artificial) gravity?


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« Reply #211 on: Mar 15th, 2016, 7:57pm »

you're welocme. it is very hard to find (more) untampered moon photos, especially those that reveal the surface detail. zond photo i previously posted is a rare example of a real moon surface as well as few early lunar orbiter photos and even some early apollo frames. everything else is a greyed out fakery, so obvious it is absurd. the only reason they still get away with it is because almost no one really cares about it.

there is clearly an agreement among the world governments who control the public space agencies like NASA, ESA, CNSA and JAXA that in the mind of the masses, picture of the moon must be a dead, grey environment, devoid of color, contrast, detail, not to mention water, life etc. PS: this is in my humble opinion the most monstrous, criminal endeavour against the mankind ever perpetuated.

however, slips always happen and these tell the real story. i am sure they have been having a good laugh at us all for the last 60 years, yet, since masses don't care anyway, i cannot really blame them.

to get to your original question, why some frames i dug up look more "watery" i think the above pretty much answers it. they started this "procedure" early on, but at the early days of apollo, moon still had color and contrast. funnily, "somehow" poor moon lost it's vitality over the last 50 years and now looks so dull pale-grey like it's at it's death bed.

for example comparison of apollo 17 over tsiolkovsky compared to tsiolkovsky by lunar reconnaissance orbiter. isn't it funny? smiley



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on Mar 15th, 2016, 6:47pm, purr wrote:
You're very welcome, Pos1tron, be it that I support the free exchange of ideas / information!

Thanks for selecting a pic requiring less or no scrolling. The Moon is an amazing place to look at. Tsiolkovsky always draws the eye. Your version does look remarkably lake like (in Reply # 196 I tried to show certain minerals also may appear like water when imaged from orbit).

Could you explain in layperson's terms why the Moonphotos you selected and present here look more 'watery' than for instance the lunar galleries I googled (like the 'wrong' photo you replaced within your post)? What imaging process differentiates the two versions of lunar appearance? Are you sure NASA / JPL and other national space agencies do this on purpose?


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« Reply #212 on: Mar 15th, 2016, 8:13pm »

i have no explanation so far. is ISS filmed on earth within artificial zero gravity? could be.

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So, how would you explain the absence of the dzenibekov effect on the ISS, Pos1tron? (Any member seen it demonstrated on that space station?)

It this a small scale version of the physics we see in planetary pole reversal?

Does the ISS have (artificial) gravity?


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« Reply #213 on: Mar 15th, 2016, 8:23pm »

on Mar 15th, 2016, 7:57pm, pos1tron wrote:
the most monstrous, criminal endeavour against the mankind ever perpetuated


I'll focus on a detail in your post. Pos1tron, why is the purported deception regarding our space programs and the Moon monstrous and criminal in the worst way?

I too suspect many things are still hidden. But I don't feel I'm wronged in some terrible way. Do not all nation states keep secrets to maintain national security?


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« Reply #214 on: Mar 15th, 2016, 8:44pm »

you have been denied your basic human right to know the truth, about life in space,
your true origins and heritage and, before all, a better life in interplanetary community.

it has nothing to do with "national security", this is, like i stated before, a crime
of the highest order. yet, since mankind was and still is on quite low level of
consciousness, it could've been no other way.

on Mar 15th, 2016, 8:23pm, purr wrote:
I'll focus on a detail in your post. Pos1tron, why is the purported deception regarding our space programs and the Moon monstrous and criminal in the worst way?

I too suspect many things are still hidden. But I don't feel I'm wronged in some terrible way. Do not all nation states keep secrets to maintain national security?


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« Reply #215 on: Mar 17th, 2016, 8:41pm »

mare marginis by chang'e 5. best to look in full screen. just look at the surface everywhere.

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« Reply #216 on: Mar 18th, 2016, 03:57am »

on Mar 15th, 2016, 8:44pm, pos1tron wrote:
you have been denied your basic human right to know the truth, about life in space,
your true origins and heritage and, before all, a better life in interplanetary community.

it has nothing to do with "national security", this is, like i stated before, a crime
of the highest order. yet, since mankind was and still is on quite low level of
consciousness, it could've been no other way.




Uh... Pos1tron, allow me to respectfully disagree with you on this one! Actually the most insightful part of your post imo is "it could've been no other way". America 1947-1950s just won a war through great sacrifice and terrible suffering borne by their military, finally creating mindboggling new weapons used to immolate Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If indeed faced with another, otherworldly potentially military threat, it makes complete sense they preferred the illusion of peace over fessing up to a (very) foreign airforce entering US airspace virtually unopposed.

I think it is a fact that the US has been using national security as legal grounds to keep (parts of) UFO information highly classified.

Pos, what human right 'to know the truth' are you talking about? (US Freedom Of Information Act legislation comes to mind, however this has many exclusions for ...what else... National Security smiley cool cool cool tongue.)


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« Reply #217 on: Mar 18th, 2016, 04:52am »

i see. allow me to respectfully disagree too. i cannot but get the impression from your posts that you are happy
with the coverup, since it is in the name of "national security". more so you imply that visitors are a "potential
military threat", but, if this was the case, we would've been obliterated, not into dust, but literally into nothing,
dissolved into the vacuum, within minutes, if that was their intention, and that would've probably been done before
we ever got to make the nuclear weapons. i think the starting reason to deny the presence is because suddnely
there was a power beyond comparison more powerful than military "infiltrating" aerospace, and they just couldn't
allow the masses to become aware they are not in control, and have actually, never been.

as for the the america "winning" the war, no-one really won, people lost on both sides. you probably already know
wars are but ways to divide and rule the masses, to make profit, while the rulers smoke cubans and laugh their
asses off from the comfort of vip lodges. but that is another story.

i cannot understand your agreement with classification of life in space in the name of "national security" while
it is pretty obvious the reasons are quite the opposite and serve only to protect the interest of the ruling elites, not
the interest of the people. same goes for forbidding free energy devices in the name of "national security". they can
literally put you in the prison for 20 years or even kill you for a free energy device in the name of "national security".

and for the human right to know the truth, it is not only a right, it is a basic human need, as there can be no progress
untill the truth is made known. but again, if you do not want the truth, than that is another story and then their "laws"
make perfect sense. because they need to "protect democracy" or similar nonsense while they poison you, rob you,
kill your children and destroy your lives in every possible and impossible way. but why should we care, if it is in the
name of "national security" : ) : P pardon the sarcasam, it was spontaneously needed in such context smiley

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Uh... Pos1tron, allow me to respectfully disagree with you on this one! Actually the most insightful part of your post imo is "it could've been no other way". America 1947-1950s just won a war through great sacrifice and terrible suffering borne by their military, finally creating mindboggling new weapons used to immolate Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If indeed faced with another, otherworldly potentially military threat, it makes complete sense they preferred the illusion of peace over fessing up to a (very) foreign airforce entering US airspace virtually unopposed.

I think it is a fact that the US has been using national security as legal grounds to keep (parts of) UFO information highly classified.

Pos, what human right 'to know the truth' are you talking about? (US Freedom Of Information Act legislation comes to mind, however this has many exclusions for ...what else... National Security smiley cool cool cool tongue.)


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« Reply #218 on: Mar 18th, 2016, 05:15am »

Pos1tron, I didn't say (or mean) I was happy, but that the cover-up made complete sense in the context of post-war America.

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« Reply #219 on: Mar 18th, 2016, 05:41am »

yes, it made sense to those who wanted to preserve their positions of
power and it still does. when i look at the state of mind of the masses
doesn't seem well. just look at that fear mongerer alex jones with more
than million followers on youtube promoting trump. this world is going
straight into hell and the gap between those of the light and dark is
getting bigger.

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Pos1tron, I didn't say (or mean) I was happy, but that the cover-up made complete sense in the context of post-war America.

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« Reply #220 on: Mar 18th, 2016, 1:22pm »

on Mar 18th, 2016, 05:41am, pos1tron wrote:
yes, it made sense to those who wanted to preserve their positions of
power and it still does. when i look at the state of mind of the masses
doesn't seem well. just look at that fear mongerer alex jones with more
than million followers on youtube promoting trump. this world is going
straight into hell and the gap between those of the light and dark is
getting bigger.



A bit of crosspollination here, Pos1tron, but from another thread my reason for thinking secrecy wasn't quite as ill-intended as you seem to believe.

on Mar 15th, 2016, 08:03am, purr wrote:
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Hi, ZETAR, I'm about to submit to you the mother of hypothetical answers. (Haven't got the faintest really.)

Let's Meow! grin I'll try to define for the American psyche, 1950s decade post Roswell Incident, the foundations of it's collective identity. A kind of self of a Nation and People.

First and foremost it is LET'S GO, Americans are on the go, freeing themselves from the bonds of the old European ways, taking the freeway, a yet to discover freedom seen straight ahead at the endlessly morphing horizon.

Next it is Faith. Mormons or Catholics and others were no less important, however it is Protestantism, especially its intensely felt Great Awakings, with spurts of increased conversion numbers and personal commitment to Jesus, which became a driving force creating American society.

To the best of my understanding, America's military presence in the world may be defined as an Engineer Army, West Point directed, aspiring dominance not through size/numbers, threats/agression but technological superiority. Science wins wars.

All of the above psychological 'roots' overlapped with the awesome power of Enlightenment, as codified in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, that once-in-history fork in the road where great Americans authored, negotiated and elected their way to a unique Secular Democracy (only imho wink.. many will beg to differ!).

Now (1947-1950s onward):

Enter (into Earth atmosphere) UFOs with an intelligent ET or transdimensional presence inside. If real this imo would constrain America's experimental run towards an autonomous free society: the Visitors, be it implied or directly communicated, will inform us what reality really is. Risking the loss of our dreams of a better society. (I remember an apocryphal episode from early Roswell research, detailing the aliens formed a telepathic hive without individuals, eliciting Truman's shocked response "must I now inform the American People that men from space have arrived, but they turn out to be Communists?".)

Similarly, whatever the Visitors believe in is likely to dominate earthly belief systems. If they are Atheist, our churches would have emptied, and US society would make a violent turn towards secularism/liberalism. (Many deeply devout Christians would swing opposite, perhaps going to holy war against the powers of hell.) Or, if Visitors have their own faith in a superior being, this could well supplant our pre-existing beliefs. Plus send human atheism into a tail spin.

I can be brief about America's military superiority and engineering pride. With intergalactic/multiversal travellers setting boots on the ground, our weapons would be analogous to Native American Indians bow and arrow, tomahawks and clubs vs. rifles and artillery. For-gedda-boudit. Power will flow from the barrel of a beam weapon.

Finally, Enlightenment would become a 'local' tradition. Their version of Faith, Philosophy and Science, and by extension: right vs. wrong and civilization would become the norm. Again just as European colonists and explorers shaped the 'new world' they entered.

Hence my worry, ZETAR. Come the Visitors (openly), world culture ends.


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The 1950s American (and soon global) UFO cover-up imo shielded human societies from harmful knowledge, allowing the world to go on as before.

Me. I think (mark 2016) we are slowly doing better. Especially in democracies. (And on UFO Casebook many of the 'secrets' are out among our members. Like your good self.)


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« Reply #221 on: Mar 18th, 2016, 4:04pm »

mentioning jones may not be directly on the subject but is a good example of actual state of things, how naive and deluded so many still are. powers of darkness are sleazy, their acts are cold and calculated, they know the mind of the masses very well and use their ignorance and low awareness to point them into direction they desire. he feeds them fear and agression, and they buy it, they want more, so be it. promoting trump (my god, how obvious it needs to be?) is the best example. he is the exact opposite of what a spiritual and rightful leader should be. so who is really alex jones and who is behind him, just like mark dice and similar figures. their apperance is not an accident, nothing really is, but they are of the dark side and you should know it.

it is quite ironical when you say that ufo coverup wasn't as ill-intented as i feel because it shileded us from "harmful knowledge" allowing the world to go on as before. the irony here is that in 1947 world just got out of ww2 with circa 52 000 000 deaths and what world really needed is just the opposite of "go on as before". i cannot really understand your logic. and once again, how is truth about life on other planets "harmful" except for the established ruling elites? or you maybe feel they should remain in power and masses enslaved.

for the last part, i partially agree, so many people woke up, especially last 4-5 years to these truths which resulted in more spiritual and less materialistic thinking. that is the biggest progress we made as a race, but the infulence of the "black mentalists" is still heavy on the minds of many. if you don't see the game they're playing, look a bit deeper (i am talking jones, trump and similar). they will not be able to achieve ww3 nor to stop our progress, but they are successful in inhibiting and postponing it as far as they manage to keep the masses who follow them fearful, angry and blood-thirsty.


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A bit of crosspollination here, Pos1tron, but from another thread my reason for thinking secrecy wasn't quite as ill-intended as you seem to believe.



The 1950s American (and soon global) UFO cover-up imo shielded human societies from harmful knowledge, allowing the world to go on as before.

Me. I think (mark 2016) we are slowly doing better. Especially in democracies. (And on UFO Casebook many of the 'secrets' are out among our members. Like your good self.)


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on Mar 18th, 2016, 4:04pm, pos1tron wrote:
mentioning jones may not be directly on the subject but is a good example of actual state of things, how naive and deluded so many still are. powers of darkness are sleazy, their acts are cold and calculated, they know the mind of the masses very well and use their ignorance and low awareness to point them into direction they desire. he feeds them fear and agression, and they buy it, they want more, so be it. promoting trump (my god, how obvious it needs to be?) is the best example. he is the exact opposite of what a spiritual and rightful leader should be. so who is really alex jones and who is behind him, just like mark dice and similar figures. their apperance is not an accident, nothing really is, but they are of the dark side and you should know it.

it is quite ironical when you say that ufo coverup wasn't as ill-intented as i feel because it shileded us from "harmful knowledge" allowing the world to go on as before. the irony here is that in 1947 world just got out of ww2 with circa 52 000 000 deaths and what world really needed is just the opposite of "go on as before". i cannot really understand your logic. and once again, how is truth about life on other planets "harmful" except for the established ruling elites? or you maybe feel they should remain in power and masses enslaved.

for the last part, i partially agree, so many people woke up, especially last 4-5 years to these truths which resulted in more spiritual and less materialistic thinking. that is the biggest progress we made as a race, but the infulence of the "black mentalists" is still heavy on the minds of many. if you don't see the game they're playing, look a bit deeper (i am talking jones, trump and similar). they will not be able to achieve ww3 nor to stop our progress, but they are successful in inhibiting and postponing it as far as they manage to keep the masses who follow them fearful, angry and blood-thirsty.




Uh... I kinda doubt that the American President ought to be a 'spiritual' leader! Rightful yes, but that's a matter of ensuring a fair system of election imo. Personally (if I were a US citizen) I wouldn't vote Trump for POTUS, but if the American People give him their vote, my country the Netherlands, as always, will work with him as a 'friendly president' because he was so elected. Hilary Clinton (or just about any borderline-sane Democrat) would be more of a default preference for folks over here, but I do note she has a marked difficulty playing nice. Case of an attack dog personality.

I also wish Alex Jones would stop shouting during his vids, so I could make out what the hell he's saying. cheesy

My reply # 220 pointed out some four areas of theoretical harm (1. American collective self-confidence, 2. Faith/Wordview, 3. sense of Military Power, 4. Democratic System of Government) to American society (focussing on 1950s) if the arrival of real alien visitors would have become public knowledge. Pos1tron, maybe you would have been comfortable with it, but you are not everybody, and a government must look at the big picture. The whole of US society. The economy. Perpetuation of stable government and national security. Ensuring Institutions of Science and Religion retain their respective stabilizing influence.

Adding (from earlier posts) the notion of ETs making dire predictions of future catastrophe, like Culture Ending or Extinction Level Events. Knowledge affecting the American FUTURE.

Upsetting stuff... (What is True, not always is Good.)


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« Reply #223 on: Mar 21st, 2016, 12:46pm »

Hmmmm...... Someone who is promoting the moon as lush and green with life is trying to convince me that Alex Jones is dangerous and full of BS......

Sorry, my friend; I'm much more concerned about our current elected members of the House and Senate, as well as our current administration than I am about Alex Jones.

Yes, there is some hyperbole in Alex' message, but there are also many points well worth pondering.

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« Reply #224 on: Mar 21st, 2016, 1:38pm »

From my point of view I'm not sure what's crazier....the idea that there are lakes and plants growing on the surface of the moon or Alex Jones' paranoid rants. They are both out in left field imho.


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