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« Reply #255 on: Mar 29th, 2016, 07:34am »

you are going in a loop unnecessary, because it is not deeply "upsetting information", majority of races are peaceful and loving, and those who are not were already here working on our dismay, so we would've been better off informed about the enemy and his minions on earth.

on Mar 29th, 2016, 05:37am, purr wrote:
Pos1tron, if you hadn't noticed already, the last Tsiolkovsky crater image makes for this page becoming unreadable (speaking as a kind of mine dove for smaller screen users here, I'm on an older generation compact puter right now!) Could you reselect/upload for a somewhat downsided version?

Excerpt quote above struck me as reminiscent of fabled (and reviled) MJ-12 itself. That's what they got to play with, ain't it?! Feels like a cheap shot you seem to judge so harshly (based on various disclosure sources) on the Panel's work and heritage! Again, analyzing craft remains, dead crew and (supposedly) even alien survivors(!), their perspective can be called a new paradigm for reality. Lost were the former concepts of the Great Faiths and God, of Science and Truth, of Right versus Wrong: is it strange they acted as if given freedom as never imagined before?

So I resubmit my question from Reply # 235 here:

Step inside their shoes for a moment. Say they got a couple of likely dates for the end of the world (Extinction Level Events). Say they started to plan for averting disasters, or the survival of our species if the event was too big to stop.

Any limits on their budget? Any ethical limits on an effort aiming for planetary survival? Are they all-powerful monsters (deciding who dies/lives, conceivably in the millions?). Or just working a dreadful problem in a equally dreadful way?


Arguably, HIDING the true lunar dimensions may have been for all our benefit, preventing societal panic/breakdown.

Making you and fellow 'Hatonnians' (and I'm writing this with a smile) the bad guy for continually spreading this information!

(I don't want your head to explode, just explain, best you are able, how hiding deeply upsetting information, as done by the US, is ethically wrong/monstrous crime)

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« Reply #256 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 05:44am »

on Mar 29th, 2016, 07:34am, pos1tron wrote:
you are going in a loop unnecessary, because it is not deeply "upsetting information", majority of races are peaceful and loving, and those who are not were already here working on our dismay, so we would've been better off informed about the enemy and his minions on earth.



Hey Pos1tron, maybe I am looping, don't know how necessary it is in greater schemes smiley but I am asking cause I wanna know!

Let me disagree on how upsetting full official disclosure would have been (or would be, in our times) first: say Pres Truman decides to spill the entire can of beans early 1950s he'd upset plenty the American conservative Christian (or Mormon/Catholic) churchgoers, many of whom had Jesus in their hearts and JUST KNEW that almighty God had created the heavens and earth in literally 7 days (off the top of my head) approx. 4004 BCE!!

Pos. There are no kind peace loving extraterrrestrial races in the Bible. (Fundamentalist/Evangelical 1950s perspective.) But Satan and his hosts of heaven, finally come to deceive mankind? Hell yes! And believing the Prince of Darkness (sharing disk with Esu Jesus Immanuel no less, the sly devil?!) to be buzzing the neighborhood would have been extremely UPSETTING to Godfearing folks. (Leading to calls for war with the evil aliens from conservatives in Congress?)

And to briefly close my argument, with every decade passing since the start of the secrecy, deciding to open up to later (more open-minded, more secular) generations of Americans would have generated a schtuff-storm of outrage over having been kept in the dark (and much worse...) by lying politician scum. Heads would roll, including appealing to constitutionally removing a tyrannical government which had betrayed the People. Can you spell Civil Unrest and Bloody Revolution?

That's why I called disclosure "upsetting information".

Secrecy protected the United States from all of the above upheaval. Do you still believe it to be 'monstrous crime'? (And, why exactly?)


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P.S. Curiously the above sentiments are exactly mirrored on page 9, chapter UFO STUDY RESULTS, of your linked Phoenix Journal, where Commander Hatonn relates an MJ-12 finding that official disclosure would 'collapse American economy', 'collapse its religious structure' and 'lead to anarchy'.
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« Reply #257 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 06:43am »

Reading in the linked transcripts of Commander Hatonn, he says:"...I AM ATON. Perhaps you might wish to look up that label for it might prove quite important to you..."

OK. Did just that. Aton/Aten turns out to be the early monotheistic creator Sun God of Egypt.

Feel free to comment, Pos1tron.


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« Reply #258 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 07:18am »

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« Reply #259 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 07:48am »

on Mar 24th, 2016, 8:25pm, pos1tron wrote:
the source for the eisenhower's mj12 executive memorandum is a book "space gate: the veil removed". it is available at phoenix journals website www.fourwinds10.net/journals/pdf/J003.pdf



Vital (disclaimer related) quote from your linked source, Pos1tron:

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SPACE--GATE
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The Phoenix Journals are intended as a "real time" commentary on current events, how current events relate to past events and the relationships of both the physical and spiritual destinies of mankind."

This important statement from authors/publishers of the Hatonn info refers to their design (maker's intent) of the materials to convey a prospective/in the now (=real-time) explanation (commentary) of current events + history + human spirituality.

Mmmm.. if pure and accurate transcript of Hatonn's voice (heard in the mind of the female human receiver), they ought to have stated just that. A write down by auditory witness/contactee.

HOWEVER the disclaimer makes clear the human publishers of the Phoenix Journals designed a spiritual explanation of certain events. Human design establishes the work as a form of fiction. (It is of course impossible to publish any journals series in 'real-time', due to the delay in reaching the readership.)

Thus authors and publishers (using fairly fine print) ensured legal protections against anyone claiming they misrepresented these journals as an actual alien contact.

Simply, methinks, based on said disclaimer, that the Phoenix Journals and Commander Hatonn are made up, literary creations.


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« Reply #260 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 07:57am »

"There are no kind peace loving extraterrrestrial races in the Bible"..this couldn't be further from the truth, angels or heavenly messengers are always portrayed as humans, literally coming over for dinner and walking among people. then why do you imply "prince of darkness is sharing disc with jesus"? why would anyone think jesus works with the devil?

if you are interested in true biblical events and involvment of spacepeople:



to be honest i am not interested in discussing the coverup, those who hide and those from whom it is hidden but do not seek, are one and the same. moreover, if you knew that noone really has a free choice as a created being, you would understand everything happened exactly as written in the akashic (sky) records and NOTHING could have been changed and altered in ANY way. and despite this determinism, yes, i still claim it is the most monstrous crime against the humanity ever perpetuated.

for hatton, he is probably aten/aton of egypt as he has stated multiple times that he is the creator god of this universe, so not the ultimate god, but the demiurge, let's say.


on Mar 30th, 2016, 05:44am, purr wrote:
Hey Pos1tron, maybe I am looping, don't know how necessary it is in greater schemes smiley but I am asking cause I wanna know!

Let me disagree on how upsetting full official disclosure would have been (or would be, in our times) first: say Pres Truman decides to spill the entire can of beans early 1950s he'd upset plenty the American conservative Christian (or Mormon/Catholic) churchgoers, many of whom had Jesus in their hearts and JUST KNEW that almighty God had created the heavens and earth in literally 7 days (off the top of my head) approx. 4004 BCE!!

Pos. There are no kind peace loving extraterrrestrial races in the Bible. (Fundamentalist/Evangelical 1950s perspective.) But Satan and his hosts of heaven, finally come to deceive mankind? Hell yes! And believing the Prince of Darkness (sharing disk with Esu Jesus Immanuel no less, the sly devil?!) to be buzzing the neighborhood would have been extremely UPSETTING to Godfearing folks. (Leading to calls for war with the evil aliens from conservatives in Congress?)

And to briefly close my argument, with every decade passing since the start of the secrecy, deciding to open up to later (more open-minded, more secular) generations of Americans would have generated a schtuff-storm of outrage over having been kept in the dark (and much worse...) by lying politician scum. Heads would roll, including appealing to constitutionally removing a tyrannical government which had betrayed the People. Can you spell Civil Unrest and Bloody Revolution?

That's why I called disclosure "upsetting information".

Secrecy protected the United States from all of the above upheaval. Do you still believe it to be 'monstrous crime'? (And, why exactly?)


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« Reply #261 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 08:25am »

POS1TRON,

TO WIT:

"angels or heavenly messengers are always portrayed as humans" ~ "literally coming over for dinner and walking among people"

I GET UR POINT, BUT WOULD LIKE TO EVALUATE EXAMPLES ~ YOU DEEM QUITE CREDIBLE TO SUBSTANTIATE UR ABOVE STATEMENT.

"why would anyone think jesus works with the devil?"

CERTAINLY AN OBSERVATION I AGREE WITH!

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« Reply #262 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 08:34am »

on Mar 30th, 2016, 07:57am, pos1tron wrote:
"There are no kind peace loving extraterrrestrial races in the Bible"..this couldn't be further from the truth, angels or heavenly messengers are always portrayed as humans, literally coming over for dinner and walking among people. then why do you imply "prince of darkness is sharing disc with jesus"? why would anyone think jesus works with the devil?

if you are interested in true biblical events and involvment of spacepeople:



to be honest i am not interested in discussing the coverup, those who hide and those from whom it is hidden but do not seek, are one and the same. moreover, if you knew that noone really has a free choice as a created being, you would understand everything happened exactly as written in the akashic (sky) records and NOTHING could have been changed and altered in ANY way. and despite this determinism, yes, i still claim it is the most monstrous crime against the humanity ever perpetuated.

for hatton, he is probably aten/aton of egypt as he has stated multiple times that he is the creator god of this universe, so not the ultimate god, but the demiurge, let's say.




Could you perhaps look at it from a 1950s US conservative Christian's perspective (I did say that, didn't I!), and try answering my question (in my Reply # 256 in yellow highlights)?

These good folks weren't into extraterrestrials (and didn't see them in the Good Book!) ya'know.

They WOULD have been upset. ETs? Jesus (according to Hatonn) aboard their Command Craft? Upset wouldn't even begin cover it. Dismayed. Terrified and deeply suspicious that ET really were messengers emerging from Hell's Abyss to devour human souls.


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« Reply #263 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 08:44am »

you have every right to be wrong. that is the miracle of "free" will.

on Mar 30th, 2016, 07:48am, purr wrote:
Vital (disclaimer related) quote from your linked source, Pos1tron:

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SPACE--GATE
THE VEIL REMOVED

BY GYEORGOS CERES HATONN
A PHOENIX JOURNAL

COPYRIGHT POSITION STATEMENT AND DISCLAIMER


The Phoenix Journals are intended as a "real time" commentary on current events, how current events relate to past events and the relationships of both the physical and spiritual destinies of mankind."

This important statement from authors/publishers of the Hatonn info refers to their design (maker's intent) of the materials to convey a prospective/in the now (=real-time) explanation (commentary) of current events + history + human spirituality.

Mmmm.. if pure and accurate transcript of Hatonn's voice (heard in the mind of the female human receiver), they ought to have stated just that. A write down by auditory witness/contactee.

HOWEVER the disclaimer makes clear the human publishers of the Phoenix Journals designed a spiritual explanation of certain events. Human design establishes the work as a form of fiction. (It is of course impossible to publish any journals series in 'real-time', due to the delay in reaching the readership.)

Thus authors and publishers (using fairly fine print) ensured legal protections against anyone claiming they misrepresented these journals as an actual alien contact.

Simply, methinks, based on said disclaimer, that the Phoenix Journals and Commander Hatonn are made up, literary creations.


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« Reply #264 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 08:49am »

on Mar 29th, 2016, 12:42am, pos1tron wrote:
this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective

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Pos1tron, I probably said it previously, but: great image of the Moon, Tsiolkovsky overview.

I try to approach it with fresh eyes. And have to say it looks amazingly like a body of water smiley.

Wonder why NASA didn't make this their spectacular fund-driver image (whatever it really depicts), instead of endless fuzzy and/or greyish footage...


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« Reply #265 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 08:54am »

on Mar 30th, 2016, 08:44am, pos1tron wrote:
you have every right to be wrong. that is the miracle of "free" will.



Not just that. I frequently am wrong laugh!

But I realize I am being pretty darn tough on you. Know that I appreciate your effort and COURAGE to present a complex and controversial subject on the forum.

Thank you for adding to our knowledge (whichever side of belief we are on).


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« Reply #266 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 09:08am »

in that sense, i completely agree, not only for back then, but for today also, maybe even worse.


on Mar 30th, 2016, 08:34am, purr wrote:
Could you perhaps look at it from a 1950s US conservative Christian's perspective (I did say that, didn't I!), and try answering my question (in my Reply # 256 in yellow highlights)?

These good folks weren't into extraterrestrials (and didn't see them in the Good Book!) ya'know.

They WOULD have been upset. ETs? Jesus (according to Hatonn) aboard their Command Craft? Upset wouldn't even begin cover it. Dismayed. Terrified and deeply suspicious that ET really were messengers emerging from Hell's Abyss to devour human souls.


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« Reply #267 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 09:28am »

on Mar 30th, 2016, 07:18am, ZETAR wrote:
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Seems we have to be curious to discover those pebbles. I wonder if a version of member Pos1tron's hypothesis is true (details pending!) There's sumtin strange with the Moon. And then there's all the visitors to ancient civilizations (gods, angels... or what). Kissinger probably knows all about it......


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