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« Reply #30 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 07:52am »

...for nazis i already commented on that, there is a number of secret space programs..

No you haven't. You have thrown out the usual blanket of secret Nazi technology in an attempt to do a snow job on us.

In all fairness, you may believe in what you write, probably do. You just need to show why we are wrong and why you are right.

The specific question is....

Why have they not conquered the world if they posses the means. For they certainly had the will.

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« Reply #31 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 08:32am »

Positron,

...cold war was a scam for the masses, behind the scenes major players were on in cahoots building an underground/interplametary empire with almost unlmited funding they had. talking about "misplaced power".

And those underground/ interplanetary sites are where ?

And how do the denizens of these places come and go unnoticed when we can detect a wheelie bin moving from Earth orbit ?

These must seem like nit picking details to you; and I suppose I should apologise for being so dim. But humour me for a while and explain why I am apparently missing the obvious.

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« Reply #32 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 09:34am »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 05:07am, positron wrote:
"mainstream scientific view of the moon" comes from space agencies which are, in turn, government agencies. how is it possible to keep the truth hidden from tha masses? simply by compartmentalization and non-disclosure contracts under penalty of prison or even death.

Can you provide sources for what % (worldwide) of total space exploration is funded by governments, universities, commercial and private contributions? You are saying that mainstream scientific view of the moon comes from government agencies. How did you reach this conclusion?

Your assertion that governments are intentionally hiding certain known information hints that there is unison and cooperation among them. Space exploration is no longer a USA/NASA monopoly. How do you reconcile the USA, China, European nations, etc. each having different political, military, social and cultural ideologies being able to cooperation on a massive cover-up? What about the thousands of well equipped knowledgeable amateur astronomers and non-government contracted scientists around the world? Or are only the minority believing in your theories to be considered legit? The non-disclosure and death/prison threats and PTB's don't seem too effective if these secrets are still leaking out to those apparently too smart to be fooled.

Regarding compartmentalizing to hid the big picture. That has difficulties as the pieces get smaller and smaller. The scientific process becomes less efficient and manageable. It sounds good in theory but it also introduces more people and complexity in not only meeting the scientific goal but also in covering it up initially and years later.

Here's a good read about a past big secret:
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/03/29/narratives-of-manhattan-project-secrecy/
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« Reply #33 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 09:49am »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 07:37am, positron wrote:
i don't think so. it doesn't matter how long you have been on the forum, it matters how you behave. for nazis i already commented on that, there is a number of secret space programs. cold war was a scam for the masses, behind the scenes major players were on in cahoots building an underground/interplametary empire with almost unlmited funding they had. talking about "misplaced power".



In reality your fooling yourself and reading to many Alternative News sites. The Nazis never had a secret space program to explore or otherwise visit space or orbit the earth..

http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/nazis-in-space.html

As for the rest its totally science fiction....But all this is off topic so I will let this go as not to detract from the thread.
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« Reply #34 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 10:54am »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 09:34am, GhostofEd wrote:
Your assertion that governments are intentionally hiding certain known information hints that there is unison and cooperation among them. Space exploration is no longer a USA/NASA monopoly. How do you reconcile the USA, China, European nations, etc. each having different political, military, social and cultural ideologies being able to cooperation on a massive cover-up? What about the thousands of well equipped knowledgeable amateur astronomers and non-government contracted scientists around the world? Or are only the minority believing in your theories to be considered legit? The non-disclosure and death/prison threats and PTB's don't seem too effective if these secrets are still leaking out to those apparently too smart to be fooled.

Regarding compartmentalizing to hid the big picture. That has difficulties as the pieces get smaller and smaller. The scientific process becomes less efficient and manageable. It sounds good in theory but it also introduces more people and complexity in not only meeting the scientific goal but also in covering it up initially and years later.




Ed, that's a challenging question indeed, and I tend to be forgiving to Positron (or anyone defending his Moon hypothesis) if found beyond proving or verification.

Simply if the US (coopting various other national players) succesfully applied limitless deep black funding to maintain UFO secrecy, as well as an ATS super advanced space, aeronautics and weapons program, that success inevitably implies our fundamental ignorance of such programs, and their complete engagement in keeping things that way!

But could it be done? Creating a false reality for the entire planet? I propose it is possible, although with both accidental and controlled leaks of the real information.

If Positron is right, it must be staring us in the face, yet we have been conditioned (over generations!) to deny such glimpses of truth/reality while fervently believing in the lie.

Maddening stuff you know grin...


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« Reply #35 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 11:02am »

Purr,

..and I tend to be forgiving to Positron (or anyone defending his Moon hypothesis) if found beyond proving or verification...

So now we just settle back and wait the proof and verification.

I'll put on the coffee; it could be a long night.

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« Reply #36 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 11:05am »

Lest we forget.

...i posted here about this truth some year and half ago only to be met not only with
skepticism, but attacks and insults of worst kind. i knew that truth was on my
side
, but also knew that time is not ripe for it and that i can expect this kind
of reactions from those ignorant of the facts...


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« Reply #37 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 11:13am »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 05:07am, positron wrote:
ok, what convinced me is not one thing in particular, more an accumulation of pointers and evidence over time, that at one point it becomes ludicrous to deny the obvious.

"mainstream scientific view of the moon" comes from space agencies which are, in turn, government agencies. how is it possible to keep the truth hidden from tha masses? simply by compartmentalization and non-disclosure contracts under penalty of prison or even death.

regarding "nazis", it is not nazis as much as it is german secret societies and it goes way back before WW2 to 1850's german-american aroclubs nymza and sonora. except for them there was a number of scientists who dicovered they can control "weight" of any material object by feeding it it's mass agregate frequency. they were mostly responsible for the so called "mystery airships" of the 1897.

moreover, there have always been certain secretive groups or brotherhoods on this planets who always had the flying disc technology. these groups have been meeting on the far side of the moon for centuries overlooking the development of humanity. these groups mostly have underground retreats and are completly detached from the surface dwellers. you can read a great collection of reports on underground dwellers in this free ebook http://www.angelfire.com/empire/fireangel/GTIE/gtie_0-index.html there are many remanant temples/cities and tunnels of the elder race which have been taken over by positive and negative groups.

richard kieningers, author of "the ultimate frontier" stated regarding flying saucers: "... some are interplanetary vehicles, others are of earthly origin. the ones which are from this planet are saucer-shaped of generally trapezoidal cross-section with three hemispherical engine pods on the underside. they were first developed by man on this planet about 20,000 years ago and have been used by members of the lesser brotherhoods continuously since that time."

quote from american contactee howard mengerīs book from outer space to you (1959): ď"there are also spacecraft, though of inferior design, which are built by people of this planet. these people are in communication and in service with people from other planets. they are people who possess a high spiritual understanding and have reached an awareness of natural law; therefore they have been entrusted with information enabling them to construct such craft."

so, we cannot just look at the isolated parts of the bigger picture, it is a whole another reality, that is, ironically, right under our feet and over our heads, unless, of course, you think it is all a "crazy conspiracy theory", which you have an absolute freedom to do.

i obviously don't and i think these realities are about to merge as it was naturally intented, when the time is ripe.




Thanks Positron, that's a great explanation, doesn't sound 'nutty' to my ears at all cheesy, although its internal logic rests on more or less controversial theories.

Weakest for me (here I agree with member Wingnut) is the German connection, I'm not too familiar with it, nor with credible historical evidence underpinning all this.

On the positive side I think the US space program includes plenty of UFO observations. Indicates to me America/NASA at some point decided to classify alien information (or they'd come clean on such encounters/footage by now). From this it follows that any alien related discoveries on the Moon or other solar planets may have been given similar classification.


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« Reply #38 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 11:58am »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 11:02am, INT21 wrote:
Purr,

..and I tend to be forgiving to Positron (or anyone defending his Moon hypothesis) if found beyond proving or verification...

So now we just settle back and wait the proof and verification.

I'll put on the coffee; it could be a long night.

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Thanks HAL/INT21, be sure it's a large pot, and something to eat along with that. And for the most difficult of questions we may always ask the horse (hi Ed!).



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The problem here is that if you and me both (+ Everybody Else) have been targeted for a global Psy Op, this functions as a box to think inside.

We are like Cesar Milan's self-confident, trusting dogs. Cesar = MJ12 style info managers. Dogs = a world public fairly convinced our scientists & mainstream media are informing us truthfully.

Some suggestions for how to think our way to outside the box (if we postulate having been conditioned to think INSIDE it)?

Take a "leap of faith".

Dare to model alternative theories (like Positron's Moon & secret UFO builders conspiracy).

Question the accepted scientific model, and its established facts and theories, with uncompromising skepsis.




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« Reply #39 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 12:06pm »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 11:13am, purr wrote:
On the positive side I think the US space program includes plenty of UFO observations. Indicates to me America/NASA at some point decided to classify alien information (or they'd come clean on such encounters/footage by now). From this it follows that any alien related discoveries on the Moon or other solar planets may have been given similar classification.

purr, I don't follow the logic. Does this not assume that the UFO's are not UFO's in that they would have had to be identified as alien? I'm sure there are plenty of UFO's seen by NASA and they simply don't know exactly what they are or most likely they have some reasonable non-alien ideas. I suppose your emphasized "may" allows for the conclusion. cheesy

It could be as simple as they see no benefit in trying up funds and research resources with non-mission objectives or no perceived risks by trying to explain to the last detail what some will chose not to believe regardless of the soundness of the explanation. When they have tried to come clean on what they know or don't know they are accused of lying and covering up. I'd say many of the fringe pot shots is more of a deterrent and time/cost waster than meaningfully contributing in expanding our knowledge of the universe and our place in it. At times it seems to follow a different agenda and motive hidden behind some speculative quest for a truth to their liking.
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« Reply #40 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 12:29pm »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 12:06pm, GhostofEd wrote:
purr, I don't follow the logic. Does this not assume that the UFO's are not UFO's in that they would have had to be identified as alien? I'm sure there are plenty of UFO's seen by NASA and they simply don't know exactly what they are or most likely they have some reasonable non-alien ideas. I suppose your emphasized "may" allows for the conclusion. cheesy

It could be as simple as they see no benefit in trying up funds and research resources with non-mission objectives or no perceived risks by trying to explain to the last detail what some will chose not to believe regardless of the soundness of the explanation. When they have tried to come clean on what they know or don't know they are accused of lying and covering up. I'd say many of the fringe pot shots is more of a deterrent and time/cost waster than meaningfully contributing in expanding our knowledge of the universe and our place in it. At times it seems to follow a different agenda and motive hidden behind some speculative quest for a truth to their liking.


I'll try and clarify. My assumption (or reasonable inference) is that the repeated astronaut sightings (with corroborating film/photo footage) did lead to a level of 'identification' of the objects and their controllers/occupants. Be it as True UFO, not of earth, UNKNOWN (in the Blue Book sense) or even ET, Alien or highly strange ones from planet Wu (I have no idea, and I'm just joking dr Wu!) grin!!

Simply, the US (specifically a group charged with handling such info) figured out they weren't exclusively dealing with icy droplets moving over shuttle windows, ignited swamp gas and hallucinations.

If I'm correct on the above THEY DECIDED TO MAKE IT A SECRET. What else...

And you are reading all my "ifs", "mays" and "coulds" correctly, GhostofEd. I don't know. But it is possible (and with Nation State resources one might actually get away with it).


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« Reply #41 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 1:06pm »

there is no point in going into discussion about nazis, we are talking about the moon.
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« Reply #42 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 2:42pm »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 11:02am, INT21 wrote:
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..and I tend to be forgiving to Positron (or anyone defending his Moon hypothesis) if found beyond proving or verification...

So now we just settle back and wait the proof and verification.

I'll put on the coffee; it could be a long night.

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More like a long life time.....

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« Reply #43 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 3:27pm »

Positron,

I do believe it was you who brought in the Nazi technology aspect.

However, the floor is yours. Please carry on with your explanations.

Purr,

Maybe the reason that the military, NASA etc are reluctant to define some of the object as definitely alien is that once they do that, the die is cast.

Authority says 'they' exist. The end of the world is neigh.

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« Reply #44 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 4:15pm »

on Feb 14th, 2016, 1:06pm, positron wrote:
there is no point in going into discussion about nazis, we are talking about the moon.


Well, the intriguing claim in your linked vid (which is also the source of your Moon-lake photos) is that the US space program was unavoidably a continuation of the Nazi(!) Moon exploration, who allegedly had excavated one (or more?) Underground Bases. The narrative then seems to be that as WWII victors the Americans took over Germany's rocket scientists, a whole range of well advanced weapons (including ballistic rockets, jet aircraft, lightweight flying wings huh) and (it would seem) a space capable Moon program, bases and all. Wildest thought: perhaps even a RELATIONSHIP of sorts with highly advanced non-humans who helped Hitler's regime to develop/create all these neat gadgets.

Maybe the Nazis came close to winning WWII, preparing to launch such superior, alien inspired, weaponry into the battlefield, yet failing because the Allied Forces vaporized German factories just before they could mass produce them?

(I don't intend to put words into your mouth, the above ideas are my own spontaneous speculations. I wonder if you have come across any historical facts supporting a link between Nazi Germany, the Moon and the American space program.)


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