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« Reply #300 on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 12:45pm »

i want to say i don't want to put pressure on anyone, if you feel you can't handle the truth, ignore it like you have so far. all in it's due time. god loves everyone equally.
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« Reply #302 on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 6:17pm »

seems there is more then one troll here leaving provocative comments, usually followed by this smiley(s) grin shows clearly their level of intelligence / awareness. moreover, this seems to be not only normal here, but also highly desirable. this happens with people who's awareness is mainly focused on lower chakras, resonating with perversion and destruction. so to conclude it in their style wink cool grin grin grin
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« Reply #303 on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 9:36pm »

Leaving provocative comments, usually followed by this smiley(s) grin
No my little friend..i have too much by way of manners to step on Purrs Dinner plate or insult the dinner for that matter.

But do continue..it is all soooo fascinating grin
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« Reply #306 on: Apr 4th, 2016, 09:23am »

on Apr 3rd, 2016, 05:31am, pos1tron wrote:
it is indeed a mistake and damage to the truth. u have been easily fooled to dismiss hatonn based on one misinterpreted sentence.

"HOWEVER the disclaimer makes clear the human publishers of the Phoenix Journals designed a spiritual explanation of certain events."

..this in no way suggests that the transmissions themselves were made up, only that they offered their interpretations of certain events. this is very clear and i wonder how you would come to such false conclusion.

moreover, even if it was published as "fiction", which it is NOT, publishing truth as "fiction" is often done to avoid the attacks and ridicule and let those with eyes to see to see and those with ears to hear to hear.

i gave you the link to solar cross foundation transmissions, 5 of them by hatonn as well as the book. you need to look better into something before coming to false conclusions.



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Psalm 115:5-6: "They have mouths but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. They have ears but cannot hear, noses, but cannot smell."

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Good grief. When folks start quoting the good book at me I usually have put my foot in my mouth smiley. Pos1tron, please make some allowance for us being in a forum (difference of opinion/opposing views all within bounds) and not in a place of worship.

Whatever topic you submit here, some fellowmembers will ask hard questions. Debate thus is a highly civilized (compared to the old way, taking the lives of those who disagree with you) form of warfare/wargame.

Point being: I ask. (And read replies + links as carefully as I'm able.) It is not my intention to upset or offend you, let alone trample on deeply held convictions.

On your advice I am doing some additional reading & listening in your links, to more completely inform my opinions!

That said it's not me badmouthing Hatonn or making judgement on the so called transmissions. Again, the linked Phoenix Journals Disclaimer (see quote in Reply # 259) states they are intended as commentary (which may reasonably be taken to mean 'planned'/'designed' as 'explanation'). Logic. Logic, Pos.

Phoenix Journals text is comprised of accurate/verbatim write down/transcript by the human recorder, while hearing a discrete radio transmission from Commander Hatonn in her mind.

If then the journals are published unaltered, this leaves no possibility by the American publishers/author/'recorder' for intending to comment on/explain human events etc. (as the disclaimer asserts).

If Hatonn's radiotelepathically transmitted words were not altered, the resulting texts (published as Phoenix Journals) contain any intent by the Commander. Imo this leaves no room for the publishers to 'intend' or 'comment on' human events through the Journals, since it's the pure transcript of an offworld author's message.

HOWEVER, due to the publishers' Disclaimer inside Phoenix Journals, stating they did intend to comment / designed as explanation by way of said publication, they chose to suggest/assert they had a hand in Hatonn's message.

This may have been a kind of legal protection against damage claims from people who acted on Hatonn's disclosure and came to harm as a result. Or, as you say, it could be presenting truth as if fiction. Either way, it's a curious thing to (dis)claim human design for Hatonn's transcript...


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« Reply #307 on: Apr 4th, 2016, 09:43am »

i think i presented enough to show it is not a mere belief but a reasonable assumption or, i dare to say, factual beyond doubt.

as for hatonn and phoenix journals, i still don't understand your skepticism. hatonn's transmissionsa are only a part of the journals and printed as receieved, the rest are articles and commentary on (then) actual events by the noted lady and her colleagues, just like stated in the disclaimer.

on Apr 4th, 2016, 09:23am, purr wrote:
Good grief. When folks start quoting the good book at me I usually have put my foot in my mouth smiley. Pos1tron, please make some allowance for us being in a forum (difference of opinion/opposing views all within bounds) and not in a place of worship.

Whatever topic you submit here, some fellowmembers will ask hard questions. Debate thus is a highly civilized (compared to the old way, taking the lives of those who disagree with you) form of warfare/wargame.

Point being: I ask. (And read replies + links as carefully as I'm able.) It is not my intention to upset or offend you, let alone trample on deeply held convictions.

On your advice I am doing some additional reading & listening in your links, to more completely inform my opinions!

That said it's not me badmouthing Hatonn or making judgement on the so called transmissions. Again, the linked Phoenix Journals Disclaimer (see quote in Reply # 259) states they are intended as commentary (which may reasonably be taken to mean 'planned'/'designed' as 'explanation'). Logic. Logic, Pos.

Phoenix Journals text is comprised of accurate/verbatim write down/transcript by the human recorder, while hearing a discrete radio transmission from Commander Hatonn in her mind.

If then the journals are published unaltered, this leaves no possibility by the American publishers/author/'recorder' for intending to comment on/explain human events etc. (as the disclaimer asserts).

If Hatonn's radiotelepathically transmitted words were not altered, the resulting texts (published as Phoenix Journals) contain any intent by the Commander. Imo this leaves no room for the publishers to 'intend' or 'comment on' human events through the Journals, since it's the pure transcript of an offworld author's message.

HOWEVER, due to the publishers' Disclaimer inside Phoenix Journals, stating they did intend to comment / designed as explanation by way of said publication, they chose to suggest/assert they had a hand in Hatonn's message.

This may have been a kind of legal protection against damage claims from people who acted on Hatonn's disclosure and came to harm as a result. Or, as you say, it could be presenting truth as if fiction. Either way, it's a curious thing to (dis)claim...


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« Reply #308 on: Apr 4th, 2016, 11:29am »

on Apr 4th, 2016, 09:43am, pos1tron wrote:
i think i presented enough to show it is not a mere belief but a reasonable assumption or, i dare to say, factual beyond doubt.

as for hatonn and phoenix journals, i still don't understand your skepticism. hatonn's transmissionsa are only a part of the journals and printed as receieved, the rest are articles and commentary on (then) actual events by the noted lady and her colleagues, just like stated in the disclaimer.



My skepticism? Simplest way to explain: when on a forum (I've debated in the real world as well) I ask questions smiley. To be fair I tend to question the controversial, accepted models/paradigms as well as established facts and truths and religious tenets/beliefs whatever. Spread it around some. (And as mod it's my job to make sure nobody gets shut up doing same!)

I'm willing to believe your explanation (a division between Ceres' transcripts, a female contactee?'s commentary and excerpted articles/documents to account for the curious Disclaimer statement), although it is hard to verify with the huge volume of Phoenix Journals (+ renamed versions) available. (I read just two partially. Suggesting to me the disclaimer might even be explained by 'Ceres' =Pleiades Commander Hatonn, being utterly involved in the magazine business.)

Talking about controversial issues, my random reading selection including hair raising conspiracy.

If you could briefly click on that link, uh... do you think this legit information too? If yes, you & those likeminded represent imho an extreme variant of conspiracy theory, water levels on the Moon the least of mankind's purported worries tongue.

Seriously Pos1tron, how can you sleep at night...!

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interesting link. i myself have only read space gate: veil removed and skipped through others. some information is indeed disturbing and i myself (honestly) cursed god who creates this inimaginable sufferings. in example greys slicing human body parts without anestesia or putting heart under pressure until it bursts, often done on indian children as revealed in these chanelings from casiopaea. they say this is done to "low level humans".

"Some. Bits of children’s organs removed while they are wide awake. Kidneys first; then next feet; next jaw examined on table; tongues cut off; bones stress tested; pressure placed on heart muscle until it bursts."

i am typing this by virtual keyboard and its very unpractical, so i'l keep it relatively short.

this is a shadow world of duality. it is purely a creation of the mind and mind is a soulless computer allowing us to experience these extremes of opposites. none of it is real, but the experience itself is very real.

i wonder why does solar government and the federation allow greys to do this to us, but i assume it is a part of karmic debt.

here's also a message from hatonn to obama (satan):

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I AM CREATOR GOD ATON, CREATOR OF THIS UNIVERSE KNOWN AS THE NEBADON UNIVERSE. I AM KNOWN IN THE PHOENIX JOURNALS AS “HATONN”, PRONOUNCED “ATON”.
I am also direct, and I tell things as they are and that is TRUTH. I have some words to speak to you today, and although they may be harsh, they are the Truth, and hopefully you can hear and understand what I am telling you.
You and your ilk in the White (Black) House of this once great nation have made it into a den of vipers. You have deliberately disregarded what I have told to your government over the past many years. I say that, because I have returned as Commander of the starships that hover over your beleaguered nation, and I watch and hear every action, every thought you and your ilk think and do.
You have deliberately led this nation to the brink of disaster.
You have deliberately lied to the American people and have committed untold acts of treason, and you think you are not guilty?
By your Executive Orders you have deliberately made your self a despotic dictator, disregarding the Constitution of the united States of America, and have ripped and torn apart the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.
By your actions, you have deliberately allowed the horrible pollution of Earth's air by your allowing of the evil chemtrails that pollute the air of the entire planet.
You have deliberately crushed the very foundations of this once great nation with your Satanic government of thieves and liars, and that includes you.
You have deliberately allowed the chemical pollution of the soil and food by promoting evil corporations to dominate the growing of food for the entire world through Monsanto and their genetically altered food. Therefore, you are guilty of the suicice death of thousands of people, especially in India, whose Monsanto crops failed.
You have corrupted the educational system and deliberately dumbed down the children with drugs and an evil plan to hide the real Truth of history, even knowing about the Constitution.
You have taken away the learning of the children until they have become little robots to do as you wish, and lower their intelligence until they cannot think for themselves. Shame on you!
You have helped Israel to exterminate the Palestinian people of Gaza. Although you have not personally killed women and children, you are as guilty as if you had done it yourself. Do you think that you can escape the consequences of your actions? Hardly!
You make the laws of our nation, disregarding Congress.
You have created your own army with great military hardware to protect yourself, and to war against the American people.
You have created a heavily armed police force throughout the nation that continually harasses, beats, and kills Americans for little or no reason, and without any evidence to prove their innocence. Do you think you can run and hide in the caves of Earth?
You have deliberately opened the flood gates for illegal aliens, given them everything free, while the American people lose their homes, jobs, and are living in their cars or whipped off to some FEMA camp for God knows what medical experimentation may take place on them!
You have given millions for bombs and military hardware to Israel while the people of the U.S. are ripped of their savings, homes, and jobs so you can continue your illegal wars and your "kingship" of this once great nation.
Let me warn you. All of the Universe is under Cosmic Law. What you sow you shall reap, but in multiple amount. You sow evil from your god Satan, and you shall reap in multiple amount that which you have sown.
Your days are numbered.
I have met with the presidents of the U.S. for years, and warned them of what they were doing. None listened. Will you, before it is too late?
Mother Earth is restless, and she is angry at you, and what you have assisted in doing to harm her in every way possible. You have deliberately caused havoc and storms, and have caused untold harm to people world wide with your terror attacks, plane crashes, to say nothing of the dominance you wish to have over all other nations, your 800 plus military bases worldwide, your utmost disregard for the rights and freedom of people that are God-given, including the right to defend themselves, and the freedom of choosing their own destiny.
This is a warning to you. You shall NOT destroy Mother Earth.
You shall NOT genocide the people on this planet. That is NOT your prerogative, but only Creator God.
May you listen before you have to stand before God and attune for your actions. Oh, yes, there is justice, and you will face all your treasons, for there is no escape to run and hide.
You are but dust on the scales of time.
Listen to me, heed my words, and turn from your Satanic ways. Come to the Light, for you have the power to turn this nation around to goodness. People are waking up. You have little time left.
I AM CREATOR GOD ATON OF THIS UNIVERSE. I SPEAK THE TRUTH TO YOU. LISTEN TO ME.
SALU.
Anne Bellringer
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on Apr 4th, 2016, 11:29am, purr wrote:
My skepticism? Simplest way to explain: when on a forum (I've debated in the real world as well) I ask questions smiley. To be fair I tend to question the controversial, accepted models/paradigms as well as established facts and truths and religious tenets/beliefs whatever. Spread it around some. (And as mod it's my job to make sure nobody gets shut up doing same!)

I'm willing to believe your explanation (a division between Ceres' transcripts, a female contactee?'s commentary and excerpted articles/documents to account for the curious Disclaimer statement), although it is hard to verify with the huge volume of Phoenix Journals (+ renamed versions) available. (I read just two partially. Suggesting to me the disclaimer might even be explained by 'Ceres' =Pleiades Commander Hatonn, being utterly involved in the magazine business.)

Talking about controversial issues, my random reading selection including hair raising conspiracy.

If you could briefly click on that link, uh... do you think this legit information too? If yes, you & those likeminded represent imho an extreme variant of conspiracy theory, water levels on the Moon the least of mankind's purported worries tongue.

Seriously Pos1tron, how can you sleep at night...!

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uwweee another religion! praise God...at least this one doesnt chop off heads
or mutilate womens va jay jays..well good luck ..keep meditating..prayer works.

I am impressed how much posi reads like Jm57..Super intelligensia..me i am just low information voter...but my God is found...between the the I and the thou..in the end all works out the same...
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on Apr 4th, 2016, 12:19pm, pos1tron wrote:
interesting link. i myself have only read space gate: veil removed and skipped through others. some information is indeed disturbing and i myself (honestly) cursed god who creates this inimaginable sufferings. in example greys slicing human body parts without anestesia or putting heart under pressure until it bursts, often done on indian children as revealed in these chanelings from casiopaea. they say this is done to "low level humans".

"Some. Bits of children’s organs removed while they are wide awake. Kidneys first; then next feet; next jaw examined on table; tongues cut off; bones stress tested; pressure placed on heart muscle until it bursts."

i am typing this by virtual keyboard and its very unpractical, so i'l keep it relatively short.

this is a shadow world of duality. it is purely a creation of the mind and mind is a soulless computer allowing us to experience these extremes of opposites. none of it is real, but the experience itself is very real.

i wonder why does solar government and the federation allow greys to do this to us, but i assume it is a part of karmic debt.

here's also a message from hatonn to obama (satan):

User Image

OPEN LETTER TO OBAMA FROM CREATOR GOD ATON/HATONN

Anne Bellringer

Sept. 10, 2015
I AM CREATOR GOD ATON, CREATOR OF THIS UNIVERSE KNOWN AS THE NEBADON UNIVERSE. I AM KNOWN IN THE PHOENIX JOURNALS AS “HATONN”, PRONOUNCED “ATON”.
I am also direct, and I tell things as they are and that is TRUTH. I have some words to speak to you today, and although they may be harsh, they are the Truth, and hopefully you can hear and understand what I am telling you.
You and your ilk in the White (Black) House of this once great nation have made it into a den of vipers. You have deliberately disregarded what I have told to your government over the past many years. I say that, because I have returned as Commander of the starships that hover over your beleaguered nation, and I watch and hear every action, every thought you and your ilk think and do.
You have deliberately led this nation to the brink of disaster.
You have deliberately lied to the American people and have committed untold acts of treason, and you think you are not guilty?
By your Executive Orders you have deliberately made your self a despotic dictator, disregarding the Constitution of the united States of America, and have ripped and torn apart the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.
By your actions, you have deliberately allowed the horrible pollution of Earth's air by your allowing of the evil chemtrails that pollute the air of the entire planet.
You have deliberately crushed the very foundations of this once great nation with your Satanic government of thieves and liars, and that includes you.
You have deliberately allowed the chemical pollution of the soil and food by promoting evil corporations to dominate the growing of food for the entire world through Monsanto and their genetically altered food. Therefore, you are guilty of the suicice death of thousands of people, especially in India, whose Monsanto crops failed.
You have corrupted the educational system and deliberately dumbed down the children with drugs and an evil plan to hide the real Truth of history, even knowing about the Constitution.
You have taken away the learning of the children until they have become little robots to do as you wish, and lower their intelligence until they cannot think for themselves. Shame on you!
You have helped Israel to exterminate the Palestinian people of Gaza. Although you have not personally killed women and children, you are as guilty as if you had done it yourself. Do you think that you can escape the consequences of your actions? Hardly!
You make the laws of our nation, disregarding Congress.
You have created your own army with great military hardware to protect yourself, and to war against the American people.
You have created a heavily armed police force throughout the nation that continually harasses, beats, and kills Americans for little or no reason, and without any evidence to prove their innocence. Do you think you can run and hide in the caves of Earth?
You have deliberately opened the flood gates for illegal aliens, given them everything free, while the American people lose their homes, jobs, and are living in their cars or whipped off to some FEMA camp for God knows what medical experimentation may take place on them!
You have given millions for bombs and military hardware to Israel while the people of the U.S. are ripped of their savings, homes, and jobs so you can continue your illegal wars and your "kingship" of this once great nation.
Let me warn you. All of the Universe is under Cosmic Law. What you sow you shall reap, but in multiple amount. You sow evil from your god Satan, and you shall reap in multiple amount that which you have sown.
Your days are numbered.
I have met with the presidents of the U.S. for years, and warned them of what they were doing. None listened. Will you, before it is too late?
Mother Earth is restless, and she is angry at you, and what you have assisted in doing to harm her in every way possible. You have deliberately caused havoc and storms, and have caused untold harm to people world wide with your terror attacks, plane crashes, to say nothing of the dominance you wish to have over all other nations, your 800 plus military bases worldwide, your utmost disregard for the rights and freedom of people that are God-given, including the right to defend themselves, and the freedom of choosing their own destiny.
This is a warning to you. You shall NOT destroy Mother Earth.
You shall NOT genocide the people on this planet. That is NOT your prerogative, but only Creator God.
May you listen before you have to stand before God and attune for your actions. Oh, yes, there is justice, and you will face all your treasons, for there is no escape to run and hide.
You are but dust on the scales of time.
Listen to me, heed my words, and turn from your Satanic ways. Come to the Light, for you have the power to turn this nation around to goodness. People are waking up. You have little time left.
I AM CREATOR GOD ATON OF THIS UNIVERSE. I SPEAK THE TRUTH TO YOU. LISTEN TO ME.
SALU.
Anne Bellringer
bellringer@fourwinds10.com
http://www.fourwinds10.com





Aaaarghh.... (assuming you're an American voter) you'll not be voting in the upcoming elections then, Pos. laugh Any difference between Trump and Hillary based on your intel at all?

At this point I've slept on your postings/links (actually it's a lot to process, and my reading and thinking is work in progress!) I've come to my best informed position on the Phoenix Journals source (informing both on the Moon/secret space programs and American politics and society).

First my sense on the Phoenix information is that it is in part true. Necessarily making part false; impossible to differentiate between the two parts, due to incomplete provenance inside journal text.

I think I can explain why Phoenix Journals publishers/authors required a disclaimer stating content is 'intended as commentary on events' of historical/spiritual nature. The true (although hard to pin down as such) part includes disclosures, including covered up criminality and state secrets. Vitally it includes (arguably) libel targeting high profile figures, especially within American society/government. THE DISCLAIMER ENSURES 'VIABLE DENIABILITY' OF CRIMINAL LIBEL / BREACHING SECURITY LAWS by allowing said parties to claim they published the telepathically transmitted words of an alien entity (a defendent for whose existence there is no credible evidence in the US). If push comes to shove, Hatonn's arguably fictional/unreal nature might give them protection from prosecution for libel under Freedom of Speech.

The meanwhile, in the journals, readers/followers are encouraged (as obvious you are yourself!) to believe Commander Hatonn, and the noted lady-spiritual "recorder" as being 100% authentic and reliable sources for info.

I emphasize this is just my personal opinion/impression of the Phoenix Journal publishers. I don't know who is reading them, probably lots all over. How would I characterize (most subjectively) any inner circle of believers, those actively supporting the dissemination of these ideas? Methinks: as a movement of revolutionary spiritualists. (I have no indication these publishers are acting out in a revolutionary sense themselves, but instead spread ideas which encourage followers/believers to view US gov/officialdom with utter distrust/abhorrance, potentially justifying fervent believers to act unlawfully independently.)

That's it so far. You are of course free to be of another opinion
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