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« Reply #705 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:24pm »

Speaking of someone present in third person is rude and sign of desperation. That is also obvious in a lame ad-hominem in your last post edit.

I'll remain polite and speak in first person. You are wrong again since masses rotating in opposite directions cancel out the counter-torque, there is no need to "leverage" against anything. And for your "grasp" of Newtonian (or any) physics, i can say it gives me a good laugh.
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« Reply #706 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:24pm »

on Jul 10th, 2016, 09:02am, pos1tr0n wrote:
You are being confused.


on Jul 10th, 2016, 11:42am, pos1tr0n wrote:
Wrong again. You are being very confused.



on Jul 10th, 2016, 2:35pm, pos1tr0n wrote:
Purr, i see you too have trouble understanding it.




seems she's not the only one.

If we are all being confused (as everyone who could be bothered to get involved is it seems) then you must be wrong. That's how my small brain sees it....

Either that or you're a genius of the highest degree/ well ahead mentally/ an advanced evolutionary example of what we will all be in many years time if you like.

If the later is the case then you are failing to explain yourself to brainless idiots like us. Why bother?

Maybe you'd be better off posting your thoughts on a physics board full of highly intelligent individuals & not in a ufo forum full of morons.

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« Reply #707 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:31pm »

If it is too hard to imagine or even better TRY to swing two hammers in front of yourself, you may just be right. I might be wasting my time. But i am not gonna lose my hope in you that quickly.

on Jul 10th, 2016, 3:24pm, notdej wrote:
seems she's not the only one.

If we are all being confused (as everyone who could be bothered to get involved is it seems) then you must be wrong. That's how my small brain sees it....

Either that or you're a genius of the highest degree/ well ahead mentally/ an advanced evolutionary example of what we will all be in many years time if you like.

If the later is the case then you are failing to explain yourself to brainless idiots like us. Why bother?

Maybe you'd be better off posting your thoughts on a physics board full of highly intelligent individuals & not in a ufo forum full of morons.

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« Reply #708 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:36pm »

on Jul 10th, 2016, 2:46pm, INT21 wrote:
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You may have seen the platforms that they use at airports to rotate the baggage holders as the place them in the plane. They use spherical balls instead of rollers. It allows the baggage holder to be moved in any direction.
Carrying out this experiment whilst viewing it from above will show what happens.

You could also do the experiment standing on a smooth sheet of metal on an ice rink.

Perhaps, in your official capacity, you would like to remind friend Pos1tron of the site's definition of a troll.

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A TROLL IS ONE WHO HAS BEEN BANNED FOR LIFE. Happily might explain why there are no trolls on UFO Casebook. I hopes. smiley

However (gets serious, puts on little mod hat): Any member(s) who over the course of a conversation appear to persist in trolling behaviors (including off-topic, harassing and offensive posting) may be deemed in breach of site rules, and then B J Booth's definitions for attacking / causing havoc / flaming toward fellowmembers apply.

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If I want to avoid to one day discover I have been a sooty smoking troll after all, it's best to be a little bit bad for as brief a time as possible (allowing for an imperfect/volatile human nature), and actively practice playing nice for all the rest of my time at our forum.

Whatever playmode members freely choose, keep in mind how your behavior affects others. If all else fails, mods are monitoring, and will moderate as the situation requires.

OK with that, HAL? How am I doing?

I'm now modelling in my mind balls (ball bearings?) vs. circular(?) skis on ice vs. Pos1tr0n's wheels (as shown in embedded video). Pos, how does this relate to, presumably, advanced propulsion systems?


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« Reply #709 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:43pm »

Good you posted those troll rules, INT sure needs to read them judging by his behaviour lately, if you will agree Purr.

For this phenomena, forget balls or skies. Space example is the best one. I gave you a practical way to test it yourself. And yes, it is a basic principle of a propulsion system.

on Jul 10th, 2016, 3:36pm, purr wrote:
Will do, good Sir, be it for myself, and for everyone.

A TROLL IS ONE WHO HAS BEEN BANNED FOR LIFE. Happily might explain why there are no trolls on UFO Casebook. I hopes. smiley

However (gets serious, puts on little mod hat): Any member(s) who over the course of a conversation appear to persist in trolling behaviors (including off-topic, harassing and offensive posting) may be deemed in breach of site rules, and then B J Booth's definitions for attacking / causing havoc / flaming toward fellowmembers apply.

DE-TROLLING TIP:

If I want to avoid to one day discover I have been a sooty smoking troll after all, it's best to be a little bit bad for as brief a time as possible (allowing for an imperfect/volatile human nature), and actively practice playing nice for all the rest of my time at our forum.

Whatever playmode members freely choose, keep in mind how your behavior affects others. If all else fails, mods are monitoring, and will moderate as the situation requires.

OK with that, HAL? How am I doing?

I'm now modelling in my mind balls (ball bearings?) vs. circular(?) skis on ice vs. Pos1tr0n's wheels (as shown in embedded video). Pos, how does this relate to, presumably, advanced propulsion systems?


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« Reply #710 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:44pm »

on Jul 10th, 2016, 3:31pm, pos1tr0n wrote:
If it is too hard to imagine or even better TRY to swing two hammers in front of yourself, you may just be right. I might be wasting my time. But i am not gonna lose my hope in you that quickly.



I'm a trained martial artist, and I know that's a dangerous practice. Although immense fun to watch somebody else doing laugh! From safe distance!

Is there a connection between your experiment and the idea of objects travelling in a straight line through a curved space?


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« Reply #711 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:47pm »

No, it's just a simple matter of focusing centrifugal force in one direction.

on Jul 10th, 2016, 3:44pm, purr wrote:
I'm a trained martial artist, and I know that's a dangerous practice. Although immense fun to watch somebody else doing laugh! From safe distance!

Is there a connection between your experiment and the idea of objects travelling in a straight line through a curved space?


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« Reply #712 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:47pm »

on Jul 10th, 2016, 3:31pm, pos1tr0n wrote:
If it is too hard to imagine or even better TRY to swing two hammers in front of yourself, you may just be right. I might be wasting my time. But i am not gonna lose my hope in you that quickly.

Why swing 2 hammers when I can fit an outboard motor?

People on the bank would think I'm an idiot if they see me standing up in a small boat swinging 2 hammers!

People on the bank: 'what ya doing? Got an audition for the new Thor film'?

notdej: 'na, just trying out [mod edit: removed derogative for 'female', esp. female cats, referring you to Reply # 709 Notdej if I may? Play nice and all that?]tron's theory, as suggested'

people on the bank: 'oh ok then, moron'

notdej: 'nice-- pointless me trying to explain, you'll only be being very confused' or words to that effect

Have fun. wink
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« Reply #713 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:55pm »

"Pussytron" is an insult. I may refer to you as Pussydej, maybe that suits you better.

And don't think what those on the shore will say, rather try to understand.
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« Reply #714 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 3:56pm »

Pos1tron,

Your style of communicating puts myself (and others) in an awkward position.

You see, I do not like being rude to people. And I will go out of my way to avoid it whilst trying to point out where I see your errors.

But you will not have any of this.

You appear to think that only yourself can be right. And when I had decided that there was no further point in trying to reason with you you carried on provoking a response.

Now, part of the description of a troll is a person who engages in a thread with the intention of causing a fight or disrupting the flow of the conversation.

Which is what you are doing.

I discussed your point with Purr, placing you in the third person, as it was a way to try to get the point across without you returning with the 'you don't know anything, I do know it all' that is your modus operandi.

But it clearly doesn't work. rather like your explanation of inertia.

I note that you seem to have moved away from the original video and now are talking about people with two hammers moving in different directions. I.e counter rotating masses.

If you were to do that then you would not move at all.

This is the principle used by aircraft that have pairs of counter rotating propellers. It takes the stress out of the motor mounts.

I really have no wish to be rude to you. But you are wrong. It is that simple.

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p.s. where DID you get that hammer ?
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« Reply #715 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 4:03pm »

By the way, there are some interesting articles out there on this subject. And at least one that does manage some forward motion. But it does involve some rather complicated position-shifting of weights.

If you look up Eric laithwaite and his 'heretic' program it will lead you to the other stuff. He was using gyroscopes. but there is a bit about mass transfer.

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« Reply #716 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 4:08pm »

on Jul 10th, 2016, 3:55pm, pos1tr0n wrote:
"Pussytron" is an insult.


Yep..... I thought it was quite good actually- 'off the cuff' as they say. I've awarded myself 10 gold stars cool

Just a bit of adult banter my friend. You know= having a laugh.. Which is exactly what you're doing in here aint my friend.

I can read ya like a book mate. Though I must admit (apart from needing a little direction in places) you're fairly good at it wink Enjoy

Peace.

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« Reply #717 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 4:29pm »

First of all you are wrong and you'll have to admit it. This phenomena is so simple and self-evident that it is apsurd you persist in your mindless denial.

To put it as a law:

ANY MASS ROTATING AT VARYING SPEED WILL PRODUCE A DIFFERENTIAL OF CENTRIFUGAL FORCE AROUND THE AXIS OF ROTATION AND TRANSFORM THE ROTARY MOTION INTO LINEAR ACCELERATION

The experiment with two hammers is the easiest to test and prove this for anyone. Anyone can try it and it WILL pull you forward, it is ridiculous and completely apsurd to claim otherwise.

Further more YOU are acting like a troll, spewing lame adhominems, persisting with false claim and now you even accuse me that i am here "with the intention of causing a fight or disrupting the flow of the conversation." You have crossed all the lines with that.

I see there is no point in trying to further explain you your own fallacy, it's like talking to a wall. You dug yourself a hole you cannot get out of.


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Pos1tron,

Your style of communicating puts myself (and others) in an awkward position.

You see, I do not like being rude to people. And I will go out of my way to avoid it whilst trying to point out where I see your errors.

But you will not have any of this.

You appear to think that only yourself can be right. And when I had decided that there was no further point in trying to reason with you you carried on provoking a response.

Now, part of the description of a troll is a person who engages in a thread with the intention of causing a fight or disrupting the flow of the conversation.

Which is what you are doing.

I discussed your point with Purr, placing you in the third person, as it was a way to try to get the point across without you returning with the 'you don't know anything, I do know it all' that is your modus operandi.

But it clearly doesn't work. rather like your explanation of inertia.

I note that you seem to have moved away from the original video and now are talking about people with two hammers moving in different directions. I.e counter rotating masses.

If you were to do that then you would not move at all.

This is the principle used by aircraft that have pairs of counter rotating propellers. It takes the stress out of the motor mounts.

I really have no wish to be rude to you. But you are wrong. It is that simple.

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p.s. where DID you get that hammer ?
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« Reply #718 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 4:43pm »

on Jul 10th, 2016, 4:29pm, pos1tr0n wrote:
The experiment with two hammers is the easiest to test and prove this for anyone. Anyone can try it and it WILL pull you forward, it is ridiculous and completely apsurd to claim otherwise.



have you actually tried this yourself? two 16 pound hammers i take it?
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« Reply #719 on: Jul 10th, 2016, 4:51pm »

Of course, you don't even need a cart/boat and hammers. If you have an office chair at home, take two objects of significant and similar weight and swing them in front of yourself in opposite directions and see what happens.

on Jul 10th, 2016, 4:43pm, notdej wrote:
have you actually tried this yourself? two 16 pound hammers i take it?
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