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« Reply #90 on: Feb 18th, 2016, 04:42am »

on Feb 17th, 2016, 8:55pm, Reasoner wrote:
positron, you say you have a weight of evidence, but how reliable is that weight of evidence?

i went searching for any picture proof of moonbases etc., and i came across this page
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-alien-base-on-the-moon-triangle-of-dots-photo-artifact.t2965/

in it, a guy named mick west does a take down of the various moonbase pictures. he makes a compelling case for how the images are blown out by poor resolution, and that the "evidence" of the bases or aliens or craft or whatever are really pixelation from zooming.

processing images, even if not directly photoshopping them, introduces bias to the image. your effectively creating weird things to spot that weren't even there in the original.

this is the problem with a LOT of the shuttle and satellite images. you get some bizarre capture, and extrapolate your own belief into what you are seeing. there was a famous (or famous in my head) picture of a type of solar flare/eruption on the sun that was used of evidence of a massive spacecraft siphoning energy from the sun. the images were the same, but what the viewer was seeing was subject to the interpretation of their world view. a helio astronomer would automatically call it out as that particular kind of flare, where the untrained would think it was something else (spacecraft! that close to the sun!).

evidence is meaningless without scrutiny and context


Thats the wonder of CGI you can put anything on any planet in the Universe. That and the infamous Pareidolia.
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« Reply #91 on: Feb 18th, 2016, 06:57am »

here is an unknown photo of ganymede, just look at the suface

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« Reply #92 on: Feb 18th, 2016, 07:16am »

there is clearly a planet wide civilization in the previous photo also confirmed by the contactee dino kraspedon (great book to read).
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« Reply #93 on: Feb 18th, 2016, 10:22am »

That was quite an interesting takedown on Mick West. From... New World Agenda is it? If I were to understand the indirect explanation that the video offers, he attempts to debunk every conspiracy.

Anyone who debunks everything must be trying to cover up something... or possibly everything?

A) Debunks something: most conspiracies are false, and it's easy for him to debunk them because they're false, and he uses that so that the one thing he NEEDS to cover, when he debunks it, people trust him more

B) Debunks everything: it can't possibly be true that ALL these conspiracies are false. If he's lying about one of them, what's to say he isn't lying about most all of them?
- 9/11
- contrails vs. chemtrails
- ufos
- crisis actors to enact gun control
- HAARP
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Free Revolution Radio. Is this something you just googled? Or do you listen to/watch? Do you have any commentary on the video you posted? Which part was the most salient that you feel shows that he's wrong about the moon base pictures?
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« Reply #94 on: Feb 18th, 2016, 10:28am »

i have no comment on him. he's one of the best known shills around.
on Feb 18th, 2016, 10:22am, Reasoner wrote:
That was quite an interesting takedown on Mick West. From... New World Agenda is it? If I were to understand the indirect explanation that the video offers, he attempts to debunk every conspiracy.

Anyone who debunks everything must be trying to cover up something... or possibly everything?

A) Debunks something: most conspiracies are false, and it's easy for him to debunk them because they're false, and he uses that so that the one thing he NEEDS to cover, when he debunks it, people trust him more

B) Debunks everything: it can't possibly be true that ALL these conspiracies are false. If he's lying about one of them, what's to say he isn't lying about most all of them?
- 9/11
- contrails vs. chemtrails
- ufos
- crisis actors to enact gun control
- HAARP
(etc)

Free Revolution Radio. Is this something you just googled? Or do you listen to/watch? Do you have any commentary on the video you posted? Which part was the most salient that you feel shows that he's wrong about the moon base pictures?
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« Reply #95 on: Feb 18th, 2016, 11:38am »

No offense (and I hope the mods or anyone else don't take this the wrong way) but imho anyone who uses any contactee channeling as real evidence of any alien claim needs to totally rethink and reevaluate their position regarding ufos and aliens.

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« Reply #96 on: Feb 18th, 2016, 2:36pm »

Ah, positron. You're quite savvy! I see what game you're up to! You're secretly informing us that the moonbase stuff is all fake!

- You evade direct questioning, leaving people to question for themselves
- In response to pareidolia, you offer up more pareidolic images, I'm guessing to help the uninitiated understand how the phenomenon works. Showing a picture of celestial body devoid of any sign of life and proclaiming it CLEARLY showed cities was a master stroke
- You offer up a video refutation to attack a potential debunking source, but inside the video, there's no refutation that goes on besides a silly comedian's prompting to inform the viewers that he was a government agent! Slow it down, play it in sinister mode and throw SHILL over it... comedic gold!

I have to admit. I was thrown off a bit - the subtlety of your craft got me caught up in thinking you believed it all. But eventually, you dropped the subtlety for obvious irony, declaring Mick West debunked through the power of declaration.

I see the lesson. Proponents of such things as these moon bases use declaration as proof. Use a photo of the moon and declare what the viewer is seeing. Any refutation that comes up, declare it null and void. As an actor in the part, you showed how these proponents will use bluster and then move on saying how something has already been proved and no further discussion is needed.

I think you've proved your point. You've helped spread the word on the mindset of rigid irreproachable belief and its pitfalls. I commend your efforts!
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« Reply #97 on: Feb 18th, 2016, 3:45pm »

^LOL...........
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« Reply #98 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 01:32am »

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« Reply #99 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 02:13am »

zond 6 - just look at the surface

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« Reply #100 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 02:20am »

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« Reply #101 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 03:00am »

Full moon 1840. by J. W. Draper

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« Reply #102 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 06:58am »

crops of the zond-6 photo above

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« Reply #103 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 07:20am »

What's the point of these images?

BTW, please resize them because they mess up viewing posts by having to scroll to the right.

The Full moon 1840. by J. W. Draper is a very early Daguerreotype. If your intent is to demonstrate that the graininess and contrast on this image and other older B&W images means there is life, water and vegetation on the moon it is a very poor argument. I look at the full moon myself by eye or optics. What I see is consistent with what others see and document. Am I being deceived?

This is a pointless discussion. It fails because your hypothesis (t's not even a theory) is not supported by verification of the claim itself but rather the argument it's not proven because the evidence is covered up i.e.,

1. A is true.
2. B is why the truth cannot be proven.
3. Therefore, A is true.


This is not the way something is proven and a logical dead end. Relying on the conspiracy angles will not prove your case.

I'm sure your fall back will be that there are moon images that indicate life and water because of the colors, shapes and comments by those in some authority. Unfortunately those have fallacies as well. Show the sources, methods used, original images, science behind the conclusions, independent verification and consensus of why a certain theory is believed correct. Provide the full and proper context of comments being made by those in authority you claim know the real truth. Falling this you are asking people to believe way out things using the conspiracy logical fallacy.

The open mind and anything is possible argument is fine for a personal belief but don't expect others to have the same threshold mindset.
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« Reply #104 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 10:40am »

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