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« Reply #30 on: Jun 18th, 2016, 06:52am »

on Jun 17th, 2016, 9:57pm, notdej wrote:
Why is it many folks seem to feel it near impossible for alien life to visit this planet due to the vast distances involved?

Why is it many folks assume highly advanced beings (who may well have been around for millions of years) must be far away?

There could be highly technologically advanced beings (who have been around for millions of years before we invented the wheel) only a few light years away for all we know!

Technologically look what we've achieved in just 50 years. What will us humans be capable of in 100/ 500 years time- let alone a thousands or 2, or even a few million!?


I do not see the logic here..

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The logic seems in conflict with the evidence (or lack of). Some argue, yourself included, that there is no proof that ET's are or were here. They are all just stories. Now if one were to use your logic that there is no reason to believe that intelligent ET could not be here then it follows that it is logical that some of these stories are real. To think otherwise would be well ....

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« Reply #31 on: Jun 18th, 2016, 07:49am »

^ Good point Ghost and the Fermi Paradox addresses this aspect of lack of evidence of ET....though obviously not everyone agrees. But I think it's worth reading once again to get the gist of that argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

But notdej did have a good point also in that it's certainly possible that a 'nearby ' (10-100 light years) alien species that is thousands of years ahead in technology could have found their way here.
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« Reply #32 on: Jun 18th, 2016, 10:12am »

on Jun 18th, 2016, 06:52am, GhostofEd wrote:
The logic seems in conflict with the evidence (or lack of). Some argue, yourself included, that there is no proof that ET's are or were here. They are all just stories. Now if one were to use your logic that there is no reason to believe that intelligent ET could not be here then it follows that it is logical that some of these stories are real. To think otherwise would be well ....

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50% of all stories told could be real. Now for the usual ridiculous phrase that's normally spoken at this point:

'well it only takes one to be real'

yep, but what one? How does one work it out? Now all we're doing is going back to square one!

It's as ridiculous as saying: 'all I have to do is write down next weeks lottery winning numbers & I'll be rich'

yeah great but what are the numbers!?

I've never once stated I think it's impossible unknown entities have been here or indeed are here now but I think I'll stick with being illogical for now until something's put forward backed up with REAL evidencewink

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« Reply #33 on: Jun 18th, 2016, 4:13pm »



http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2016/06/-fermis-paradox-on-hold-itll-be-1500-years-before-theres-aliens-contact.html smiley smiley

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« Reply #34 on: Jun 18th, 2016, 4:34pm »

on Jun 17th, 2016, 9:57pm, notdej wrote:
Why is it many folks seem to feel it near impossible for alien life to visit this planet due to the vast distances involved?

Why is it many folks assume highly advanced beings (who may well have been around for millions of years) must be far away?

There could be highly technologically advanced beings (who have been around for millions of years before we invented the wheel) only a few light years away for all we know!

Technologically look what we've achieved in just 50 years. What will us humans be capable of in 100/ 500 years time- let alone a thousands or 2, or even a few million!?


I do not see the logic here..

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dej...


Yep. Were going to be sending cell phone sized vessels travelling at 1/4 the speed of light using photonic propulsion in the not so distant near future to the triple system of alpha Centauri. We have come a long way in no time. I totally agree.

It is optimism vs. pessimism. In this case, the #'s aren't looking too good for the pessimists. The drake equation was originally done in 1961. Much, much, has changed since then.

This is simply another way of looking at it compared to the " time standing still version". Now is too singular,,, then forms a much higher probability to what once (most likely) was and still is in many forms of E.T. life.

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« Reply #35 on: Jun 18th, 2016, 5:37pm »


Astrobiology

A New Empirical Constraint on the Prevalence of Technological Species in the Universe.

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/AST.2015.1418

For those interested in the possibilities/probabilities, you may want to have a SERIOUS look at the new #'s.







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« Reply #36 on: Jun 23rd, 2016, 12:09pm »

on Jun 18th, 2016, 5:37pm, Cliff-67 wrote:
Astrobiology

A New Empirical Constraint on the Prevalence of Technological Species in the Universe.

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/AST.2015.1418

For those interested in the possibilities/probabilities, you may want to have a SERIOUS look at the new #'s.











http://www.ewao.com/a/astronomers-have-just-found-the-largest-structure-in-the-known-universe/

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« Reply #37 on: Jun 23rd, 2016, 2:10pm »

Pfft....I don't pay attention to what any scientists say or think...after all Bonehad says they are all full of s**t.


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« Reply #38 on: Jun 23rd, 2016, 4:14pm »

They are most surely full of something.
oh my it's full of stars.

The map will get bigger, it is only 13.7 billion light years out in every direction, or will it get smaller, it does seem spectacular.

http://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-what-the-entire-universe-looks-like-in-a-single-image


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« Reply #39 on: Jun 27th, 2016, 4:16pm »

on Jun 23rd, 2016, 2:10pm, drwu23 wrote:
Pfft....I don't pay attention to what any scientists say or think...after all Bonehad says they are all full of s**t.


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Pompi aint no scientist either. rolleyes

He don't know a labrat from a gerbil.... undecided

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Ha ha see,,,what Italia ?....jus look at this !......souphead Cliff !!! grin



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« Reply #40 on: Jun 27th, 2016, 5:44pm »

Meet your next door neighbor Suzy..... shocked




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« Reply #41 on: Jun 27th, 2016, 10:02pm »

Our Milky Way galaxy taken in Infrared with the Spitzer Space Telescope.




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« Reply #42 on: Jun 28th, 2016, 04:52am »

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( infinity) + 1 = ( infinity)

Pick any number,

it will still be closer to zero

than infinity..................

Always has, always will.....

Consider the probabilities..




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« Reply #43 on: Jun 28th, 2016, 11:04am »

Ahh, but, is 9 closer to infinity than 3 is? cool
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« Reply #44 on: Jun 28th, 2016, 12:52pm »

grin grin grin

If , at some moment, maybe now, shocked shocked shocked

Or then..... wink

If the universe were receding,,,,

And time was moving backwards at that moment ,,,,,,

Possible ! Maybe....I think,,,,,

J/K cool IDK..... grin

It would be a massive " family " get together,

FUR SURE !!!!! undecided

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