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« Reply #15 on: Mar 17th, 2014, 1:36pm »

Came across the March 13 article linked below and recommend it for those interested in the intel community. Privacy issues, community leaders under surveillance, the IC infiltration of activist groups and similar subject matter is well referenced and properly cited.

http://mattstoller.tumblr.com/post/79503748901/in-1975-the-cia-director-told-congress-that-enemies-of
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 20th, 2014, 12:37pm »

Nick Redfern recently posted an article, Dead Aliens or Special-Effects?, in which he described some testimony he received that suggested the IC may have employed Hollywood professionals (ala Argo) to create dummies that appeared to be aliens for various intelligence purposes. The reasons may be rather interesting, far reaching and employ the UFO phenom as somewhat of a canary in a coal mine to nab potential spies.

Such research has been previously presented by various individuals including James Carrion and as available for viewing in the vid below. I've read some of Carrion's papers on the topic, and recommend them for consideration.


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« Reply #17 on: Mar 22nd, 2014, 08:54am »




For more on Paul Bennewitz and related issues, see the following posts at The UFO Trail:

Ethics of Exploring the Fringe, Part One: Sharon Weinberger and Nigel Watson on Responsible Reporting, particularly the comments of Watson

Ethics of Exploring the Fringe, Part Two: Mark Pilkington on Deception Operations, Witness Claims and More

Influence of the Intelligence Community in Ufology
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 22nd, 2014, 12:01pm »

Nick Redfern recently posted Real UFOs and Real Disinformation, his latest article, at Mysterious Universe. Some might find the following excerpt interesting:

...[T]o what extent has the UFO phenomenon been used and manipulated to confuse both enemy targets and the UFO research community? The answer is: to a huge extent! If you read my latest article on this very subject... you’ll know it focused on claims that, in the mid-1950s, the U.S. Air Force secretly commissioned the creation/manufacture of a number of very lifelike “dead alien bodies.”

Supposedly, they were used in a strange operation to (A) try and smoke-out Soviet agents/sympathizers in the United States; and (B) confuse the Russians regarding the true extent of U.S. knowledge of the UFO phenomenon. Indeed, convincing the highest echelons of the Kremlin that the U.S. had acquired alien bodies and extraterrestrial technology might very well have been perceived as a great way to frighten and unsettle the Reds.

But, when it comes to UFOs, things didn’t start in 1955.
According to a Technical Report prepared by the Air Force’s UFO study-program, Project Grudge, way back in August of 1949: “Upon eliminating several additional incidents due to vagueness and duplication, there remain 228 incidents, which are considered in this report. Thirty of these could not be explained, because there was found to be insufficient evidence on which to base a conclusion.”

Certainly the most notable entry in the document appears in the Recommendations section. It states, and I quote: “…that Psychological Warfare Division and other governmental agencies interested in psychological warfare be informed of the results of this study.”

It’s important to note that psychological warfare is an integral part of disinformation. Thus, we see a connection between disinformation, UFOs and psychological warfare as far back as the 1940s.
Moving on, a 1952 document from CIA director Walter B. Smith to the Director of the Psychological Strategy Board, titled Flying Saucers, reveals: “I am today transmitting to the National Security Council a proposal in which it is concluded that the problems connected with unidentified flying objects appear to have implications for psychological warfare as well as for intelligence and operations. I suggest that we discuss at an early board meeting the possible offensive or defensive utilization of these phenomena for psychological warfare purposes.”

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And if you think such things were merely the work of spy-masters in the early years of the Cold War, you’re dead wrong.

In June 2001, Britain’s Independent newspaper noted that Richard Tomlinson, formerly of Britain’s MI6, had revealed that: ”…during the run-up to the 1992 [United Nations] Secretary General elections, [MI6] mounted a smear operation against the Egyptian candidate, Boutros Boutros-Ghali…” Although the operation failed, reported the newspaper, one of the ways that MI6 tried to make Boutros-Ghali look “unbalanced” was by planting stories “claiming that he was a believer in the existence of UFOs and extra-terrestrial life.”

So, where does all of this leave us? I’ll tell you where: massively confused! And that’s the point: ensure that whoever is the target of the disinformation operation in question is used and manipulated according to the rules of those running the show.

Now, a lot of people in Ufology get all hot and bothered and defensive when a discussion of UFO disinformation surfaces. They assume, quite wrongly, that if someone says there is massive UFO disinformation afoot, it somehow implies the person is saying the phenomenon has zero merit outside of the world of psychological warfare – which is nonsense!

Full article with supporting links:

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/03/real-ufos-and-real-disinformation/
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 26th, 2014, 08:49am »

I always enjoy reading Redfern. His articles are always entertaining and informative.
And Dr Vallee has been saying this for many years about the disinformation used by various govt groups for their own agendas.
IMO his book Revelations should be required reading for anyone who wants to get a look at the games that the various intel agencies play. And it was written years before Mirage Men or anything Redfern has written.
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 26th, 2014, 6:48pm »

I agree Vallee made significant contributions to reporting the roles the intelligence community plays in the UFO genre.

Check it out... originally tweeted by @miragemen on 16 August 2012, "Mark Pilkington showing legendary ufologist Jacque Vallee clips from the Mirage Men film, out in San Francisco: pic.twitter.com/4ir2LLJV "
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« Reply #21 on: May 6th, 2014, 9:28pm »

A rather thorough accounting linked below and written by Alejandro Rojas on the Richard Doty episode and related circumstances. Rojas attempted to obtain official statements on Doty and his claims, but to no avail.

Open letter to the U.S. Air Force regarding allegations of UFO disinformation

May 6, 2014

Open Minds

I sent this letter to the U.S. Air Force on July 11, 2013 to solicit an official response to allegations by ex-special agent Richard Doty of the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) that he participated in spreading UFO disinformation. Among his claims, he says he broke into a civilian’s home, created hoaxed documents, and lied to two U.S. Senators. Some of these are criminal acts that he claims he committed on orders from his superiors in the AFOSI. Whether or not this is true, these acts were committed while he was an AFOSI special agent, and I believe the U.S. Air Force needs to respond.

After working with the AFOSI public affairs department on Freedom of Information Act Requests (FOIA) related to this incident, I was told I would be able to speak to someone who could give me an official response. However, once I received the documents I was told they had nothing further to say.

Full article:

http://www.openminds.tv/open-letter-u-s-air-force-allegations-ufo-disinformation/27071
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« Reply #22 on: May 7th, 2014, 9:42pm »

So much for President Obama's transparency in government.

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« Reply #23 on: May 9th, 2014, 08:41am »

on May 7th, 2014, 9:42pm, drwu23 wrote:
So much for President Obama's transparency in government.

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You didn't really believe a politician would be
truthful, did you ?

The literal definition of
POLITICS
POLY, from the Greek="group of"
TICKS, from the Mother Nature="blood sucking insect"
"A GROUP OF BLOOD SUCKING INSECTS"
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 17th, 2014, 01:47am »

The Mirage Machine, its Men and Their amazing Techni Color Coats.
In my random searches researching chinese pyramids I inadvertently hit this old article at angelfire.
Its about the krill report..now..its not that the report said so much how it came into the meme stream but who helped..
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/robinhd/Hypothesis.html

Back in 1987, shortly after I asked MUFON director Walt Andrus what MUFON was all about and he directed me to their local director, John Lear, I decided to gather all the books and materials about the UFO/Mutilation phenomena I had accumulated over several years and create a report which touched on all known aspects of the problem, since at the time there was no summary in existence that attempted to do this. I gave a copy to John Lear, and he mailed out ten copies to friends and it spread like wildfire, eventually ending up with Arcturus books, who called me and requested a "cleanup" because it was publishable in terms of the interest of the time.


In the interest of time I would not bother reading the rest of Krill .

As I saw the name John lear..a very charming scoundrel in ufology ..he is..really..I knew what that would lead to..as I had gained some info on him from a sworn enemy I met at ATS.. involved in the starwalker hoax in Australia ..who tried to ride the caret hoax with an alleged witness. while offering 20 percent returns on investments..curiously...I never read him going to jail and what happened to the monies scammed..nuff said.

ufology is very competitive and brings out all sorts of characters and businesses..


which lead me to mufon
what can I say..enough can't be said but its ex director james carrion tried his best in glowing terms. I had the pleasure of corresponding with James during the caret matter..and witnessed the trouncing at Open minds . At the time I was unaware of the internal battle he was undergoing at Mufon and its dubious practices which led to his resignation. He is a brilliant young man, ex NSA and business avvy and he explains what really happened..


http://mufonalookattheorganization.yolasite.com/carrion-response-to-clift-int-on-pippin.php

now this in turn lead to this other article
http://mufonalookattheorganization.yolasite.com/mufon-scientology-and-the-fbi.php

which leads me to the question as there appeared in Open minds form a scientology connection to one of the admins defending the Stolen Valor Thurmon affair as well as the Victor Martinez and Doty connections..and in this article an FBI and Scientology connection as well with the Mufon Director ..who died in a mysterious accident.
Several identities..bizarre change of personality..a Coral Gables Florida connection..recruitment of abductees..
florida also popping up in Caret.and other cases..like Titor..

Makes me wonder what Mufon is really a front for..and are scientology and Government disinformation artists working hand in hand, at least a nod and a wink, with Mufon as a base of operations for injecting questionable material for other agenda?










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« Reply #25 on: Jun 17th, 2014, 09:45am »

Sys,
That was indeed an interesting article about the connections in that specific aspect of MUFON:
Scientology, FBI, MUFON, and a strange man appointed by Andrus.
I have often thought there were many problems with the way MUFON was run after reading various things over the years...and that piece shows just how screwed up it could be.
I would like to think that not all branches of MUFON in all states have the same issues but it sure makes one wonder.
And to think I almost joined my local version many years ago.....but at the time I was too busy with work.
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« Reply #26 on: Jun 17th, 2014, 1:37pm »

Thanx Doc!
It certainly cleared the cobwebs for me..and jogged some memories. The trixters have evolved and its not just about catching Russian spies.
The last battlefield really is our mind.
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« Reply #27 on: Jun 17th, 2014, 2:20pm »

on Jun 17th, 2014, 1:37pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Thanx Doc!
It certainly cleared the cobwebs for me..and jogged some memories. The trixters have evolved and its not just about catching Russian spies.
The last battlefield really is our mind.


I see you are an Eco fan...? An interesting fellow.
I've read all of his novels except for the Prague Cemetery.
I would love to hear his opinion on the whole ufo enigma.
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« Reply #28 on: Jun 17th, 2014, 10:12pm »

Doc..He would say..truth is stranger than fiction..
you would like it..I won't spoil your read..certainly provides the reason for the staying power of the protocols of Zion in diverse places.
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« Reply #29 on: Jun 18th, 2014, 07:34am »

BEFORE THEY LEFT,
PROTOCOLS WERE SET,
THEY WERE TOLD TO LIE AND DENY,
COS SOON WE MAY FORGET,
THAT PROTOCOLS,
WERE,
SET,
EVIDENCE WAS FOUND,
OF THE VERY PROFOUND,
BUT,
THE PROTOCOLS,
WERE,
SET.











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