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« Reply #60 on: Jun 30th, 2014, 01:37am »

Lol SYS, my problem is I question too much. My implant that came out when my teeth fell out after visiting a UFO landing site was human right down to the carbon core colored wires, I was thrown onto this fast spinning roundabout after my involvement with Mankins at NASA and it keeps bringing me back to military for the A70 abduction, I also know from taped recordings that it was humans entering my home and removing any evidence I had gathered so there is a military agenda at play. My meeting ET on the Braid hills also confirmed to me that the military is interested in ET and any reports about them. Maybe if we took one section at a time and bashed it to death we might just find some viable answers
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« Reply #61 on: Jun 30th, 2014, 4:33pm »

on Jun 29th, 2014, 10:56pm, jjflash wrote:
Well, Doc, I could of course only speculate about Betty and Barney. What I was trying to express I found interesting was the apparent extents that CIA-funded researchers such as Orne influenced paradigm shifts that continue to be felt today. Others employed and/or consulted included Wolff at Cornell, West at UCLA, NY psychologist Kline and Cameron of the infamous op in Montreal, which, interestingly enough, was the destination of the Hills during their fateful journey. These men were not members of a rogue fringe, but respected leaders in their industries. Cameron served as president of both the Canadian and American Psychiatric Associations, among other prestigious positions.

But about what happened to the Hills, I suppose we could break that down and consider it in detail if you and/or others would like, drwu23. What do you think happened?

How about anyone else? What do you think happened to the Hills?



There are many interesting connections in these areas of intel and govt games ,but I don't see any solid reason why they would want to make the Hills believe they were abducted by aliens. To what purpose?
I don't think Dr Simon used his influence to set them down that path .....I think they, or at least Betty Hill, already had that mindset.
My feeling is that 'something' odd did happen to them and Betty believed it was 'aliens', for whatever reason, and then convinced her husband and with Dr Simon's hypnosis that's what came out under the sessions.
What the original trigger event was will never be known.
The subsequent 'paranormal' events around them are very interesting but again I can see no reason why the 'govt' would create such a charade. Perhaps they were 'real paranormal' events....whatever those are.
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« Reply #62 on: Jun 30th, 2014, 5:31pm »

absent all the past gubbamin behaviour I might agree with you Doc.. Why would our sworn and ever vigilant guardians conspire to do such a thing?
..it would be treasonous to think so..
certain groups within these agencies felt they could..sacrificing the few to save the many syndrome..just like Johnson did at the Gulf of Tonkin..or now.. Facebook with its shrink studies..on vast scales..and NSA have done..well...its because because they could.
Their philosophy..you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette
Given the circumstantial evidence of what happens to ojects near a black hole, which no one has ever seen..but observing the behaviosr of matter around one we can make a good intelliguess middlin probability...there is one.
They have gotten better and better at it..and with the FOIA walls and whistleblower prosecutions up as well .tells us they will keep on doing it until another breach in the wall appears...
Thats reality..


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« Reply #63 on: Jul 1st, 2014, 05:24am »

Thanks, guys. Interesting thoughts and questions.

Before I indulge in presenting my opinions about various theories surrounding intelligence operations that may have been mistaken for alien abductions, I feel a certain responsibility to emphasize such speculation is not substantiated. It is true that a long and well documented history of state-sponsored abuse of human research subjects is readily available for citation. It is also true that an argument can be made that it might stand to reason that perhaps a certain percentage of those exploited subjects might have at the least mistakenly perceived their trauma to indicate alien abduction, particularly with the “help” of a few hypnotists and an over eager UFO community.

However, the fact of the matter is that specific circumstances have yet to be conclusively established that any reported abductions are the results of covert human operations. It currently remains nothing more than one of the many possibilities for some reports at this point in time. Okay, now that the disclaimer is out of the way, let's roll up our sleeves and dissect this stuff a bit further.

on Jun 30th, 2014, 4:33pm, drwu23 wrote:
There are many interesting connections in these areas of intel and govt games ,but I don't see any solid reason why they would want to make the Hills believe they were abducted by aliens. To what purpose?


That is indeed the relevant question, right? For starters, I wouldn't necessarily assume the finished product was the intention. I also wouldn't assume it had to make sense – but we'll come back to that shortly. First, I'll explain what I understand to be some of the reasoning behind the hypothesis. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it's built around this, Doc:

While the CIA and its subcontractors were running drugs, hypnosis and various other mind games up the flag pole, they developed interests in a Manchurian Candidate, an individual that could be programmed through inducing trauma, hypnotic manipulation or other circumstances, to carry out actions and with no recollection of the programming. One of the ideas, in addition to unknowing assassins, for example, was a human carrier pigeon. The individual would not be aware of their mission and secrets to be delivered to a contact until they reached the contact. The contact would then use a code word or prearranged trigger to induce the subject to relay the information.

The beauty of the mad scientist-like idea was that no written documents were required, and the subject - at least theoretically – could not divulge their secrets even if they wanted. The Agency envisioned great advantages to programming special forces personnel and similar procedures.

One of the problems with the scheme involved whether or not enemy hypnotists could accurately extract information from a programmed operative. The resulting lines of logic involved experimenting with hypnotically induced screen memories, cover stories and a whole lot of bizarre and jaded circumstances of which it is difficult to find situations that more curiously mirror dynamics typically found within reported abductions.

A number of MKULTRA subprojects were conducted in which such ideas were extensively explored, so some UFO researchers theorized that out of such circumstances an alien abduction scenario may have developed. Some suspect it may have been built upon what many believed to be CIA-related work with the 'contactees' of the 1950's.

The idea, whether or not we agree, was that the alien abduction cover story, if it could be intentionally induced, served multiple purposes. Those purposes included the likelihood that if an operative was captured and interrogated by enemy Mirage Men, they would quickly doubt his significance as a spy if the interrogations triggered emotionally charged narrations about aliens and spaceships. UFO researchers also theorized that an extremely attractive purpose of the alien abduction screen memory was that research subjects were needed in order to practice the methodology, and if they ever went on to publicly relate their induced false memories of abduction, they would be quickly discounted (which would be very advantageous to the Agency if they ever began to suspect they were actually covertly used research subjects). As a matter of fact, one of the stated objectives of Project MKULTRA involved developing substances and means of delivery in which the target would publicly discredit them self.

So that's at least part of the theory as to why the Mirage Men would do such a thing, and whether or not we agree with it. I think a valid point can be made that it did not necessarily have to be on purpose, and then once the abduction story caught on, well, we all know how that goes.

Like, people might ask, why would the MKULTRA crew want the Unabomber to do what he did? They didn't necessarily. It may have been just the result, not the intention. An experiment gone bad.

And, like I suggested, such operations didn't have to make sense, not by any means. Actually, the minds behind the CIA venture into behavior modification would have their mental health called into question on a number of occasions before the dust settled. They regularly dropped acid and slipped it to one another without warning. They somehow figured out how that could be defined as in the interests of national security, apparently. In order to more deeply understand what these projects entailed and whether or not inducing extreme trauma in the Hills (or any other self-described abductees) may have seemed like a reasonable idea, let's take a look at who, exactly, some of these men were, and what, specifically, they defined as reasonable.
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« Reply #64 on: Jul 1st, 2014, 05:29am »

From my blog, The UFO Trail:

Investigative journalist Annie Jacobsen hit the proverbial ball over the fence with Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program that Brought Nazi Scientists to America. The author provided a thorough accounting of intriguing circumstances, some of which were never before released, surrounding the end of World War II and its spy games. The book is a fine work that should appeal to many genres. UFO-researchers would be well advised to take note of the professional research skills demonstrated by its author.

The UFO community might also be wise to consider the manners intelligence officials practice deception, and in what capacities. In the case of Operation Paperclip, parameters were initially set dictating the circumstances of which German scientists could be recruited, yet were systematically expanded. In Orwellian-like fashion of pigs revising and whitewashing community rules painted on the barn wall, US officials repeatedly reworded the parameters to eventually allow recruitment of basically anybody, including known Nazi war criminals. The US government intentionally hid the circumstances while offering asylum and employment to German officers. Such officers included men who had been responsible for the design and implementation of slave labor camps and agonizingly cruel experiments conducted on human research subjects resulting in inconceivable numbers of deaths.

During the Nuremberg trials, some of the very rare survivors provided testimony. One man, a former prisoner at a concentration camp, attempted to stab his abuser during the hearings. He attacked the Nazi for what was described as surgically removing part of his liver without the use of anesthesia.

Another young Polish woman and a medical doctor testified how, while she was held at a concentration camp, her shins were intentionally broken and infected with gangrene, apparently in order to study the circumstances. Her abuser went on to be employed in America for a time. 

Such experiments included studies of dehydration/dying of thirst, freezing to death and effects of altitude and air pressure. The vast majority of research subjects died in the process, sometimes while being intermittently photographed doing so.

The men recruited during Paperclip numbered over 1,000 and many went on to hold key positions in American corporations and intelligence operations. Some became high profile public figures who were falsely portrayed to be good world citizens oppressed by the Nazi rise to power. Their work included significant aspects of the American space program, and they were among the original architects of CIA behavior modification/mind control ventures. We might be wise to look into that more deeply, or at least consider its potential relevance, from time to time.

Source: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2014/06/ufo-tunnel-vision.html

The only operationally realistic way to test drugs and the manipulation of behavior was to experiment on involuntary human research subjects, veteran CIA man and former director Richard Helms explained in 1963 (see Church Committee Reports, Book I, Testing and Use of Chemicals and Biological Agents by the Intelligence Community). Warning the subject in advance, it was decided by key personnel, provided false results, no matter how competently and otherwise realistically the research may have been conducted.

The Inspector General objected, citing experiments which had resulted in physical and mental illness. “Attendant economic loss,” the Inspector General pointed out, “are inherent contingent effects of the testing.”

Helms remarkably countered that the Clandestine Services had been conducting a mission of “maintaining a capability for influencing human behavior.” The use of unwitting research subjects was a necessity, and, that being the case, Helms added, “there is only the question of how best to do it.”

Prior to Helms' comments on the record and in a move that would later prove to be among the most widely criticized of the entire MKULTRA scheme, the CIA employed a contact, George White of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, to operate a brothel. In 1953 White set up shop in adjacent apartments located in New York's Greenwich Village. He employed members of the world's oldest profession to assist him and the CIA in executing MKULTRA Subproject 3, which also became known as Operation Midnight Climax.

Agency personnel, such as Helms and MKULTRA project director Sid Gottleib, reasoned that the venture, which included paying prostitutes to lure unsuspecting clients to the apartments, provided a steady stream of unwitting research subjects. It was considered particularly advantageous that the subjects could not easily be linked to the CIA. Also considered beneficial was the lack of probability they would ever report anything they might recall took place, and they would be low in credibility even if they ever complained to anyone.

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According to John Marks in The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, George White eventually wrote to Sid Gottleib, "I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic, but I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steak rape, and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the All-Highest?"

Given the prevailing mindsets among those in the American spy organization, it was only a matter of time until someone, in one subproject or another, would try to quantify just how far they would go with conducting research on the unwitting. The answer can be found in what is known of work conducted by such consultants as Dr. Ewen Cameron of McGill University and Dr. Maitland Baldwin of the US National Institutes of Health. Both men demonstrated a willingness to take their work to the limit in what were labeled “terminal type” experiments, or research resulting in the loss of human life.

Each man took an interest in sensory deprivation, including experiments in which research subjects were placed in a small room or large box. The subjects were deprived of sensory input, having their eyes covered and their ears were either muffed or exposed to monotonous sounds. Padding prevented touching and no odors were present.

Maitland Baldwin operated within MKULTRA Subproject 62. In 1955 he left an Army so-called volunteer in a box for over 40 hours, at which time the soldier hysterically kicked his way out. Baldwin later reported to CIA man Morse Allen that leaving someone in the box over six days would almost certainly cause irreparable damage. According to a report written by Allen, Baldwin nonetheless agreed he would conduct such experiments, including the terminal type, if the Agency would provide the cover and the subjects.

The work was reportedly axed by an Agency medical doctor, but perhaps it is worthy of mention that, as was the case with George White and his CIA-backed brothels, Maitland Baldwin later received funding within MKSEARCH, the successor to MKULTRA. The brain surgeon's continued research of behavior modification within MKSEARCH Subproject 1 reportedly included experiments involving sensory deprivation, radio frequency energy, an attempt to cut off a monkey's head and attach it to the decapitated body of another monkey, and work conducted at a CIA safehouse, the details of which were unspecified but involved $1450 worth of renovations.

Dr. Ewen Cameron, unlike Baldwin and White, did not require either the Agency or prostitutes to provide him with research subjects, as he already had a supply of his own. As director of the Allan Memorial Institute, a hospital funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and located at McGill University, the prominent and respected psychiatrist eagerly conducted experiments upon those in need of mental health treatment.

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Basically, the doctor believed he could wipe a subject's mind of prior conditioning and reprogram it as desired, somewhat like deleting the contents of a file on a word processor and rewriting it. Apparently unconcerned about consequences and in the pursuit of validating his hypotheses, Cameron once documented leaving a woman in the sensory deprivation box for 35 consecutive days. Some researchers feel it is potentially significant that Cameron conducted his work and was employed until 1964 at McGill University in Montreal, the city which was the destination of the Hills during their fateful journey of 1961.

Source: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-cia-and-search-for-manchurian.html
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BLUEBIRD project director Morse Allen is credited with being the Agency's first behavioral research czar. Well versed in the spy trade, the Navy intelligence man was known for looking beneath surface realities and having a fascination for hypnosis. He was also among those who supported the use of terminal type experiments.

Allen later became known among researchers of many interests for his role in a now declassified 1954 experiment involving hypnosis and a simulated murder. To summarize, a woman was hypnotized and ordered to shoot another woman with a pistol, which she demonstrated a willingness to do and while completely unaware the gun was not loaded. Perhaps equally of interest, the experimenters apparently successfully induced amnesia in the hypnotized 'shooter,' as it was documented that she later had no recall of the event.

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He tried to persuade the powers that be to support his desire for prolonged access to research subjects, as opposed to the shorter term opportunities of which he became accustomed. Allen warned that Manchurian Candidates were at risk of gradually becoming aware of otherwise unknown programming and activities, particularly during dream states, at which time information might leak from one persona to another. He therefore wanted to extensively work with subjects, putting them through rigorous conditioning and testing in attempts to remedy such challenges.

Morse Allen coined the phrase “terminal experiments” in 1954 while lobbying the CIA to approve a project that teetered between brilliance and insanity. The challenge, it was identified, involved confidently learning how well the Manchurian Candidate would hold up under hostile interrogation. Would they crack? Could they crack, even if they wanted? What would happen if they were interrogated by opposing skilled hypnotists?

To address such concerns, Allen proposed an operation in which a research subject would be hypnotically conditioned as a spy, unaware of his orders and dispatched to a friendly nation to conduct his mission. The CIA would then 'tip' intelligence officials in the allied nation that a spy was suspected to be in its midst, leading to the arrest of the subject. This, it was reasoned, would allow the Agency the benefit of full access to the subsequent interrogation conducted by unassuming, yet quite vested, third parties. CIA observers would then have the opportunity to watch the behavior of both the Manchurian Candidate and the interrogators, up to what was reasonably assumed might include the torture and death of the research subject.

It is unclear if the operation was ever conducted. Morse Allen's research within BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE, and under Director Allen Dulles, who thoroughly subscribed to developing a Manchurian Candidate, was later turned over to Sid Gottleib. MKULTRA was born, including the induction of amnesia, administration of implants and testing of effects of electronic frequencies, along with several more circumstances which supplied researchers with a great deal to consider in the context of alleged alien abduction.

It would seem obvious enough that if the Agency was never involved in the production or circulation of alien story lines, it would not have been due to shying away from extreme ideas. Suffice it to say that if the likes of Baldwin, Cameron, Allen and Gottleib left no one in their paths thinking themselves abducted by aliens, it was due in no part whatsoever to any concerns about doing so.

Source: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-cia-and-search-for-manchurian.html

Whether or not any covert operations resulted in perceptions of alien abduction, it appears clear to me that it making sense and being rational would not have necessarily been prerequisites. I've observed qualified professionals refer to these men as psychopaths.
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on Jun 30th, 2014, 5:31pm, Sysconfig wrote:
absent all the past gubbamin behaviour I might agree with you Doc.. Why would our sworn and ever vigilant guardians conspire to do such a thing?
..it would be treasonous to think so..
certain groups within these agencies felt they could..sacrificing the few to save the many syndrome..just like Johnson did at the Gulf of Tonkin..or now.. Facebook with its shrink studies..on vast scales..and NSA have done..well...its because because they could.
Their philosophy..you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette
Given the circumstantial evidence of what happens to ojects near a black hole, which no one has ever seen..but observing the behaviosr of matter around one we can make a good intelliguess middlin probability...there is one.
They have gotten better and better at it..and with the FOIA walls and whistleblower prosecutions up as well .tells us they will keep on doing it until another breach in the wall appears...
Thats reality..




Your posts are starting to get as cryptic as Moksha's.
You care to put that into something more clear..?
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on Jul 1st, 2014, 12:38pm, drwu23 wrote:
Your posts are starting to get as cryptic as Moksha's.
You care to put that into something more clear..?


I apologize if it was beyond the veil..How does this sound..I see right through you. cool
From any cultural context it should mean the same thing. cool
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on Jul 1st, 2014, 12:55pm, Sysconfig wrote:
I apologize if it was beyond the veil..How does this sound..I see right through you. cool
From any cultural context it should mean the same thing. cool


laugh
Sorry but that really didn't make your post any clearer....my loss.
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« Reply #69 on: Jul 1st, 2014, 5:19pm »

Don't even think about it Boss..no winners..no losers here..no consolation prizes..nobody gives a hoot what you or I think..
But I would like to know what is there about deception you don't understand.
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« Reply #70 on: Jul 5th, 2014, 1:58pm »

We have now taken a bit closer look in this thread at specifically who some of the mid 20th century Mirage Men were. Perhaps that will help us better understand that the typically elusive “they”, chronically held responsible for so many conspiracies, is not so elusive in these circumstances. As we can see, we are indeed able to specifically identify many of the men involved in extremely questionable and deceptive intelligence activities of the previous century. For those interested, a list of MKULTRA subprojects and their reported purposes, some of which continue to be unknown and at least four of which seemed to directly involve unauthorized research conducted on children, may be viewed at:

http://www.all.net/journal/deception/MKULTRA/www.nemasys.com/rahome/library/programming/mkultra.shtml

To further consider what any of this may have had to do with the Hills – if anything at all – let us consider a time line. Projects BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE began in the late 1940's amid concerns, sincere or otherwise, the Russians were obtaining frighteningly superior results in hypnosis and mind control techniques. This quickly evolved into projects such as MKNAOMI, in which American intelligence officials were hard at work trying to develop new advantageous chemical compounds with increased practicality and capabilities for weapons applications. Key project personnel included Nazi scientists and officers recruited during Operation Paperclip, all of which officially culminated into Project MKULTRA in 1953. By virtually all descriptions, MKULTRA personnel spit the bit and ran out of control until its discontinuation in 1964. The Hill incident occurred in 1961. The successor to MKULTRA, which was MKSEARCH, operated until 1972.

The infamous MKULTRA operation included 149 known subprojects. Work was contracted to over 80 locations including 44 colleges or universities, 15 research facilities or private companies, 12 hospitals or clinics, three correctional facilities, several “safehouses” which consisted of interrogation facilities and at least two CIA-operated brothels, and multiple military installations.

Many researchers suspect the most likely explanation for the Hill alleged alien abduction is that the couple became confused about the chain of events, resulting in the now legendary tale. A reasonable argument could certainly be made.

If, however, we choose to entertain less conventional explanations for what triggered the couple in the first place, I think there are a number of circumstances of which we should expect ufologists to account, or, at the least, address, as compared to frequently omitting from mention. I am not suggesting all of the circumstances listed below are necessarily relevant. I would also please like taken into consideration that peculiar perceptions initiated by traumatic experiences may manifest in manners and sequences that are not necessarily perceived accurately by the witness. As a matter of fact, such confusion is a symptom of trauma. In other words, we should consider the Hill narrations to be subject to inaccuracies about details for lots of reasons, including but not limited to hypnosis is suspect as a memory retrieval tool, they did not undergo hypnosis until two years following the actual event, and they were bound to contaminate the recollections of one another through ongoing discussions and re-examinations of the incident – all in addition to the fact they were apparently traumatized in the first place.

All of that taken into account, I think the following circumstances, among others, deserve deeper consideration if we are going to entertain less conventional explanations:

- An interracial American couple, circa 1961, crossed an international border in a car with a broken trunk latch while carrying a firearm. Why? What, exactly, led to such circumstances?

- The FBI's COINTELPRO is now known to have targeted civil rights activists and groups, harassing them and conducting surveillance in attempts to gather intelligence and create dissension.

- Ewen Cameron conducted MKULTRA Subproject 68, among the most disturbing and heinous of the known operations, in Montreal, the destination of the Hills during their journey. Class action lawsuits continued well into this century and involved the US Department of Defense paying millions of dollars in damages to victims of Subproject 68 that numbered in the hundreds.

- Had the Hills ever visited Montreal before the night in question? When, specifically, and what for?

- Martin Orne, who shared a former employer, Harvard, with the Hill's hypnotist, Dr. Simon, conducted MKULTRA Subproject 84, the focus of which was hypnosis, in Boston, the same city where Simon held his practice.

- The circular marks on the trunk of the Hill car have never been explained.

- The Hills described one of the aliens as resembling a Nazi. Subliminal circumstances? I dunno, leading us to...

- By some accounts, the Hills explained their car was stopped at a road block by people, not non-human beings. This is typically dismissed as confusion or a screen memory induced by aliens, but I would strongly question exactly how we decide what to take literally and what to attribute to trauma or supposed alien deception. All too often it seems the prevailing method is to cherry pick the Hill statements for circumstances supporting one pet theory or another.

- Details such as the star map became increasingly ludicrous over time to be thought related to an advanced and space-traveling civilization.

- Betty described what she interpreted to be a pregnancy test conducted by the aliens, the details of which were not widely understood at the time yet became universally accepted throughout the medical community within a few years. This was sometimes attributed to the possibility the aliens were more advanced medically than humans, but, in 50 years hindsight, one might argue many other explanations are infinitely more likely (such as humans charged with examining Betty had access to procedures ahead of the curve and not yet introduced to mainstream medicine).

- What doctors did the Hills see in the years before the 1961 journey to Montreal? Any names we might find of interest? Who were their doctors?

- Did the Hills participate in any activities at now-known MKULTRA fronts? There were many in their vicinity. Were the couple involved in any activities with their friends in military circles, Ivy League schools that received CIA funding during MKULTRA or medical facilities of potential relevance?

- Given what we now know about the CIA and FBI that researchers and authors did not know at the time, what might we learn if we objectively revisit the case with fresh eyes and increased awareness of intelligence activities of the era?

- Writer/researcher Nick Redfern recently stated he believes the Hill alleged alien abduction was part of Project MKULTRA. Commenting at The UFO Inconoclast(s), Redfern added he had forthcoming material that would demonstrate that John Fuller, author of Interrupted Journey, was paid by the intelligence community to cultivate the concept of alien abduction.

Redfern explained, "Fuller was paid well to help nurture the imagery of 'alien abductions' via The Interrupted Journey. And I don't mean paid well by his publisher..."

Again, please allow me to emphasize the above circumstances do not all necessarily have anything to do with one another and the Hill incident may be the combined results of any number of circumstances. My primary point, please, is that if we are going to accept the work of researchers that includes explanations involving literal beings from another world, we should hold those researchers responsible for addressing the above circumstances in reasonable proportion to the extents they promote the notion the Hills were kidnapped by doctors from the stars. At the least, we should consider it unreasonable that some of those researchers refuse to even address points such as listed above.
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« Reply #71 on: Jul 5th, 2014, 4:50pm »

on Jul 1st, 2014, 5:19pm, Sysconfig wrote:
Don't even think about it Boss..no winners..no losers here..no consolation prizes..nobody gives a hoot what you or I think..
But I would like to know what is there about deception you don't understand.
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I certainly understand the concept in general as it applies to life, but what deception are you specifically referring to because there are many kinds...?

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Enjoyed your recent post above and I have read similar ideas before. As you mentioned we should be aware that such things are possible when looking into alleged abductions and complex ufo events in general
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« Reply #73 on: Jul 5th, 2014, 6:21pm »

To further consider what any of this may have had to do with the Hills – if anything at all – let us consider a time line. Projects BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE began in the late 1940's amid concerns, sincere or otherwise, the Russians were obtaining frighteningly superior results in hypnosis and mind control techniques. This quickly evolved into projects such as MKNAOMI, in which American intelligence officials were hard at work trying to develop new advantageous chemical compounds with increased practicality and capabilities for weapons applications. Key project personnel included Nazi scientists and officers recruited during Operation Paperclip, all of which officially culminated into Project MKULTRA in 1953. By virtually all descriptions, MKULTRA personnel spit the bit and ran out of control until its discontinuation in 1964. The Hill incident occurred in 1961. The successor to MKULTRA, which was MKSEARCH, operated until 1972.


Thanks JJ..Peyotes role role grew around the mid 19th century.
I read somewhere intelligence agancies used it as one of its first truth serums. I am sure they developed other creative uses for it and its variants as well as LSD,,the former Used also by the Gurdys group way back and you can find stuff from 1925..
Odd you mention canada that gets gazillions of sightings as thats also where its specifically exempted from legal ban
scroll to bottom...because of its "religious use" marijuana was not. Whith that kind of climate and truth seekers streaming to Canada as well as deserters during Nam..I would think it would be a natural stomping ground even more than our domestic college campuses that the gubbamin believed was infiltrated by communists.
I am sure they would do it before someone else did.
It's a recurring neverending theme. In fact it was themepark metaphorically..they could pick the rides for you they wanted to see where the best giggles and wiggles were. I can almost smell the strawberry incense..

http://tribes.tribe.net/peyote/thread/6dcfed6a-64a2-41fb-aa43-2fa15d75b5dd
http://www.herbmuseum.ca/content/discovery-peyote-west

@wu four days to think of a response..amazing grin
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« Reply #74 on: Jul 6th, 2014, 12:32pm »

on Jul 5th, 2014, 6:21pm, Sysconfig wrote:
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Some of us have a life outside this forum,,,,especially around the holidays, you should try it.

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