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« Reply #90 on: Jul 21st, 2014, 10:23pm »

James Carrion to Podcasters: Deception Inherent to Ufology; Don't Focus on the Signal, Focus on the Noise

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July 21, 2014

James Carrion is a former international director of the Mutual UFO Network, a former signals intelligence analyst for the US Army and an IT manager. He is the author of the recently released book, The Rosetta Deception, in which he presents research focusing on the years 1946 and 1947 that suggests deception operations conducted by the intelligence community likely effected public perception of UFOs. Carrion was interviewed by hosts of The Paracast Gene Steinberg and Christopher O'Brien in a two and a half hour podcast published July 20. I think some of his perspectives deserve consideration, so let's jump right in.


Just prior to the 17-minute mark of the podcast, Carrion was asked where he first saw evidence of deception in ufology.

"I would have to say during the time I was in MUFON," he explained. "When I first joined the organization, just like everybody else, I was very curious. I wanted to know why this subject was still a mystery. The more I started to look into it, the more I started to research it, and the higher that I got up in the organization, the more I could see that there was a large element of human deception involved.

"A lot of the the cases, for example, that I investigated personally during MUFON, there was no paranormal. There was no extraterrestrial aspect to a lot of these cases. A lot of it boiled down to strange people passing strange stories – and of questionable backgrounds – and really trying to spin the whole rumor mill around the subject."

Carrion offered a couple examples of such circumstances, then added, "We get a lot of these strange characters that just pop into the UFO field. They make these grandiose claims and none of it really pans out."


At the 2:06:30 point of the interview, Carrion commented on MUFON in general. Are they sincere or advancing disinformation?

"I don't think you can really label it that easily. I think there are folks that genuinely have – in the organization – that have a genuine interest in knowing the truth. I think there are folks in the organization that are very much true believers and they discard a lot of evidence presented to them... I've fallen out of favor with MUFON in that they lost their way. Their motto is the scientific investigation of UFOs and you would be hard pressed to find anything that resembles science in that organization.

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At 2:16:00, Carrion addressed challenges inherent to investigating reported UFO sightings.

"It mostly had to do with deception. There was some level of deception. I call it 'unknown deception' because I don't know if these folks that perpetrated it had a personal reason for doing it – ya know, they just wanted to go out there and perpetrate a hoax, if there was a money aspect to it or there may be an intelligence agency aspect to it. All I know, it was human involvement and nothing highly strange about it."

He continued, "I have to say something that I think a lot of people in ufology may not like to hear, and that is - I think the bottom line is - there are folks that are in the field that call themselves ufologists, call themselves researchers, investigative journalists – whatever they want to call themselves, it doesn't really matter – but when their modus operandi is to perpetuate the mystery instead of solving it, we have a big issue. We have a big problem because the mystery will never get resolved as long as these people are out there hawking their latest theories or the latest controversy for controversy's sake, or their latest witness, or their latest 'lead' investigation – whatever you want to call it, it doesn't really matter – but if you don't have a sincere interest in truth, if you're simply interested in making the rounds of the UFO talk circuit... you're part of the problem, not part of the solution."

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1:36:30 Could some of the early reported abductions have been mind control or drug experiments?

"I would say that may very well be, so I think it may be part of this mushrooming; this inability to contain what started off as a myth that was created by mundane hands."

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2:04:00 Does the intelligence community manipulate the public perception of ET and possibly such circumstances as the Skinwalker Ranch to its advantage?

"Absolutely. I think the large amount of mythology that surrounds Area 51, for example, a lot of that was originated in the military as an operation to just cover up what was really happening at Area 51, which was very mundane in nature. So I think that the intelligence establishment uses the phenomena, uses the mythology, uses the subject to cover up any number of mundane operations.

"Ya know, I found that my involvement with Robert Bigelow and Skinwalker Ranch – the fact that I basically paid my own way to go there and was refused entry on the ranch - that lack of transparency tells me that there is something else going on. This whole subject is so muddied already, what you don't need is more cover up, more deception, more obfuscation.

"When I started seeing that in the whole MUFON-BAASS relationship, that's when I started to question what's really behind all of that and I voiced my opinions to the board. All of it was history after that because they went behind my back and renegotiated that contract.

"The bottom line being that I think – and this is very well known – that if you think you can dance with these intelligence agencies and they don't want you to dance with them, you're never gonna dance. The bottom line is there will be a way where you'll end up on the outside of that. I think there is a very interesting dance happening between ufology and the intelligence organizations that have more to do with what the goals of the intelligence agencies are than a cover up of extraterrestrial visitation."


More on Bigelow, BAASS and MUFON at 2:22:00.

"There very much has to be a large amount of transparency when you're going to be involved in something of this nature. You can't hide anything. So, for example, when Bigelow hid the source of his funding and would only reveal it to John Schuessler on the MUFON board, that lack of transparency really rubs me the wrong way. That tells me there's something being hidden for a certain purpose and I don't want to be involved in that."

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Carrion also stated, "There's a mythology that was being built up. Why was it being built up? I think it had somewhat to do with the mythology surrounding Area 51. Somebody wants to continue that mythology. The same way that the mythology is continued around Dulces, New Mexico, and underground bases and a lot of the stuff that we hear about that really has no substantiation.

"Just because a billionaire owns the ranch, and a book is out there written by folks that allegedly were on the ranch, doesn't make it true."

Summing up events surrounding Bigelow and the Skinwalker Ranch, Carrion stated, "All I know is somebody is obfuscating what is really going on, and I don't think it has to do with protecting people's lives [concerning the lack of access and lack of transparency]. I think it's something else."


2:08:00 How can the average person separate signal from noise? What would Carrion tell a young person getting involved in ufology?

"I would say, based on my years of exposure, don't focus on the signal, focus on the noise. There's a lot to be learned from the noise.

"It's almost – I've said this quite a few times – the absence of evidence is as telling as the presence of evidence. So if you go into this field with an open mind, you put aside your beliefs, you really look to see why there's so much noise surrounding this field. Pay attention to the noise. Pay attention to the characters that are in the field.

"Make sure that you check their sources. Make sure you check every single fact. You better be a fact checker, because if you're not a fact checker, you're gonna be at the recipient end of disinformation, hoaxes and just being led down the primrose path that a lot of ufologists find themselves.

"The bottom line is to go out there with a sincere desire to know truth and to learn truth, no matter how hurtful that truth may be, even if it hurts your own beliefs. Look for that truth."


The full podcast includes James Carrion discussing his book, The Rosetta Deception, his thoughts on controversial writer/researcher William Moore, former Director of Central Intelligence Roscoe Hillenkoetter who joined the UFO research organization National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP), strategic deception, intriguing high strangeness and much more. Learn more about Carrion and his work at his blogs Follow the Magic Thread and The Rosetta Deception.

Full post with links:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2014/07/james-carrion-to-podcasters-deception.html
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« Reply #91 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 03:40am »

This was a great interview..the most calm and open as I have read James to date..Its why he clashed straight on with open minds...which we know were anything but.
The upper echelons of Mufon reminded me of the upper echelons of COS..James prob..he was too curious..and even for a business man ..too honest.


Thanx for that JJ

As long as people can be herded into tents to see the egress..the more they can be subjected to experiments...besides merely helping them part with their money.

http://mindjustice.org/censored12-06.htm


THE SCIENTISTS

Dr. Ewen Cameron

Once the details of MKULTRA came to light, the focus in the media and in the Senate, was on the use of drugs, especially LSD. While the researchers within the project did indeed concentrate on developing a variety of hallucinogenic concoctions, they did so with an end in mind. The goal was to devise means and methods of enabling undercover operatives, soldiers, contractors or anyone who was involved in secret projects, to be able to keep those secrets if they were captured or interrogated. Hypnosis, combined with drugs, sensory deprivation and systematic abuse were seen as a means to that end. The leader in this pharmaceutical and psychological research was Dr. Ewen Cameron. Cameron was at the time, one of the most esteemed psychiatrists in the world. As president of the American Psychiatric Association, Canadian Psychiatric Association, and one of the founders of the World Psychiatric Association, Dr. Cameron began experimenting on brainwashing techniques as early as the 1930s with schizophrenic patients. At this time lobotomies were not yet in common use, though the procedure would begin to be implemented in 1936 on a wide scale. Electroshock therapy was some years from being accepted as a primary means of changing behavior.

Cameron relied on torturous and highly stressful techniques for breaking down the personality of his patients. Schizophrenics would be stripped down naked beneath red lights for eight hours a day, sometimes for up to eight months with repeated messages inundating their senses. In other experiments Cameron would attempt to induce the delirium associated with a high fever by cooking his patients in an electric cage until their body temperature reached 102 degrees.

From January of 1957 until September of 1960 Cameron became one of the promising researchers the CIA turned to in order to develop means and methods of “brainwashing” and programming human beings to do the will of the agency. Cameron received $64,242.44 from the CIA. to develop a combination of techniques that would destroy an individual’s memory of an event and enable the programmer to control their behavior through post-hypnotic commands. Cameron used a variety of drug combinations coupled with prolonged sleep deprivation, isolation, hypnosis, and electro convulsive therapy in order to “wipe” an individual’s memory. His techniques worked, to a certain extent, but ethical considerations led the CIA to cut Cameron’s funding in the US, prompting Cameron to move to Canada to continue his work with funding channeled through the Canadian Governme

He continued his work, officially, from 1961 until 1964 in Montreal where he received an additional $57,750. During this time Cameron combined his techniques (in a “therapy” he called de-patterning) with electroconvulsive therapy in which the voltage introduced into one subjects brain, Linda Macdonald, exceeded the APA’s guidelines by 76.5 times. He succeeded in wiping her memory and to this day, she cannot remember anything prior to 1963. In a January 17, 1984 broadcast of the Canadian Broadcasting System, a program called “The Fifth Estate” detailed the experiments of Cameron, prompting a burst of investigative journalism culminating in a class-action suit brought against the CIA by former subjects. In 1988, the case was settled out of court for $750,000, divided between 8 plaintiffs. Linda Macdonald received $100,000 and legal fees from the Canadian government, but Cameron himself, faced no punishment.

Whereas Cameron focused on creating traumatized individuals through intense psychological pressure, Dr. Jose Delgado was investigating the direct route to control of “human subjects.” Delgado physically invaded the brains of subjects with electrodes in order to create emotions and control actions with the push of a button. As he stated himself,

"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

In his paper "Intracerebral Radio Stimulation and Recording in Completely Free Patients,” Delgado observed that:

"Radio Stimulation on different points in the amygdala and hippocampus in the four patients produced a variety of effect, including pleasant sensations, elation, deep thoughtful concentration, odd feelings, super relaxation (an essential precursor for deep hypnosis) colored visions, and other responses."

Delgado, to his credit, did make great strides toward a better understanding the physiology of brain structures and their attendant behavioral and emotional correlates, strides that did not go unnoticed by the intelligence community and the military.

While Delgado worked in an area of specific interest, the direct stimulation of brain structures through implanted electronics, other researchers explored means of creating multiple personalities and programming the alternate personalities that emerged to do a variety of intelligence related work as operatives, still others explored the effects of various drug combinations and other “programming” and interrogation techniques aimed at creating super spies and breaking down enemy agents.
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« Reply #92 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 07:56am »

on Jun 20th, 2014, 8:09pm, jjflash wrote:
Oh, those Mirage Men...

Hypnosis as a Criminal Defense

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"Currently there is a murder trial in [redacted] in which the murderer has been judged to have been under hypnosis at the time of the crime. He has been retried, released and the hypnotist tried and convicted. The case is now under appeal. The comment of the three knowledgeable informants was that the hypnotist must have been a rank amateur to have been found out since any experienced operator would have known how to suggest away the fact that he had arranged the crime."

Original post with supporting links at:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2014/06/hypnosis-as-criminal-defense.html


Here's an interesting video giving some insight into what hypnosis is capable of and what it is. Brown's "Tricks of the Mind" book is a decent read.




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« Reply #93 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 11:19am »

on Jul 19th, 2014, 09:47am, jjflash wrote:
I don't know, but it would be easy to venture a guess that a common thread between Project Pandora and the MJ-12 fiasco would be psy ops. Dr. Heiser blogged some about it last night, considering the possibilities related to Operation Paperclip as a common denominator:

http://drmsh.com/2014/07/18/project-pandora-and-the-mj-12-eisenhower-briefing-document/

Some researchers suspect the state-sponsored covert use of involuntary human research subjects became enmeshed with the alien abduction lore for what might be a variety of reasons. Along those lines, Keeler considered the symptoms of overexposure to microwave pulses (as explored in Pandora). She wrote:

"In a report prepared by Rosalie Bertell, commissioner for International Commission of Health Professionals for Human Rights, a non-governmental organization based in Geneva, Switzerland, the unusual patterns of illness ranged from 'severe headaches, drowsiness, menstrual bleeding at abnormal times or post-menopausal, to bouts of temporary paralysis, faulty speech coordination and in one case apparent circulatory failure requiring hospitalization.'

"Other symptoms documented by peace activist Kim Bealy, who coordinates investigations into reports of illness at specific places around the base, included; vertigo, retinal bleeding, burnt face (even at night), nausea, sleep disturbances and palpitations. Psychbological symptoms included lack of concentration, disorientation, loss of memory, irritability and a sense of panic in non-panic situations. The symptoms have virtually all been associated in medical literature with exposure to microwaves and most listed can be induced through low intensity or non-thermal exposures."

It's not difficult to envision how self-described abductees might misinterpret such circumstances, particularly given the encouragement of the UFO community to attribute such symptoms to alien abduction. Does MJ-12 tie in to it all? I don't know, but it is indeed curious what the EBD is doing in a Pandora file.

By the way, writer/researcher Ryan Dube became extremely suspicious that Col. John "Mr. Non-Lethal" Alexander played a significant role in a state-sponsored MJ-12 disinfo campaign. I wrote about related circumstances at:

http://www.examiner.com/article/grant-cameron-reports-john-alexander-confirmed-mj-12


Psy-ops stuff is always a possibility.
And someone like Alexander can never be really trusted since he was in the middle of a lot of this stuff back in the day.
In his book he claimed he was never able to prove that any MJ 12 like group existed and that he actively tried to find and contact them when he was still employed by the govt.
It's certainly within the realm of belief that he was involved in creating the MJ 12 'hoax' or perpetuating it.
What's interesting is that he ends up working with that billionaire Bigelow who is into the whole ufo/ space thing and spent time with others at that Skinwalker Ranch.
Is it just a retirement job or....?
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« Reply #94 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 1:10pm »

Thanks for the comments and info, guys. Appreciated.

Sys, I think virtually an entire life's work could be dedicated to Cameron and MKULTRA Subproject 68 alone. I've read some of the declassified docs, such as Cameron's proposals for funding and resulting reports. I'm challenged for words, honestly...

Ya know an interesting side note? You guys remember Don Donderi? ...that psychologist that claimed Hopkins' so-called sketches were a big deal and published a critically panned book a year or so ago claiming to be a scientific review of the evidence of alien abduction?

Well, he started working with Alan Memorial Institute/McGill University (site of Subproject 68) in 1962, according to his resume. As a matter of fact, he went on to work there for many years and be a leader of the school's psych department, resulting in eventually fielding questions about the actions of Cameron. I find that interesting.

Meanwhile...

Investigation reveals creepy details behind Marine colonel's firing

Marine Corps Times

July 22, 2014

An investigation into last year's firing of a senior Marine Corps officer reveals that at least six female subordinates told authorities he had touched them inappropriately or made lewd comments to them.

Col. Tracy Tafolla, 48, was removed as commander of the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate in Quantico, Va., in May 2013. The command investigation, released to Marine Corps Times through a Freedom of Information Act request, contains pages of testimony transcript from female witnesses who described Tafolla's behavior as "red zone" on the Navy's "stoplight" chart for workplace behavior, and recalled going to extreme lengths to avoid being left alone with him.

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The directorate oversees development, testing and evaluation of non-lethal technologies across the Defense Department. These technologies range from flash-bang grenades and pepper spray dispensers to futuristic weapons including the "heat ray" active denial system now in development.

Marine Col. Michael Coolican succeeded Tafolla as commander of the directorate last December.

Full article:

http://mobile.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140721/NEWS/307210047
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« Reply #95 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 3:59pm »

@ Ed..great video

@JJ. stunning..we are both speechless...people get wise they won't have many guinea pigs..get them coming in starry eyed they are already hypnotized..keep the stories going is a must. grin
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« Reply #96 on: Jul 25th, 2014, 5:35pm »

Some interesting developments on the Pandora file. Let's start at the beginning and summarize:

- Project Pandora was a now declassified operation exploring the effects of microwave pulses on the human organism. Some of the circumstances of the project were considered significant by numerous researchers. Such circumstances included experiments conducted at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, among others.

- Nick Redfern posted about recently browsing a Department of Defense file containing documents related to Pandora. He discovered a copy of the controversial and suspected to be fraudulent Eisenhower Briefing Document, related to the alleged MJ-12 and Roswell crash, beginning on page 449 of the file. The EBD was clearly labeled unauthenticated, but many understandably still wondered why it would be in an official DoD file, particularly apparently on Pandora.

- It was since posted by 'CM' commenting at UFO Religions, a Dr. Michael Heiser blog, that at least some of the docs contained in the file were originally FOIA'd by Michael Drosnin, a writer and researcher known to the UFO community. CM discovered this to be the case due to correspondence with Drosnin (and related to his FOIA request) included in the file and beginning on page 103.

- Drosnin, among other items of interest and according to another controversial figure, retired Navy commander and career intelligence officer CB Scott Jones, was once allegedly targeted with an electronic mind control device wielded by the FBI. I blogged about that, as well as some of Jones' other activities and related circumstances, in early 2012.

- Page 105 of the DoD file contains correspondence with Drosnin. It is an inventory of at least part of what was released to him through his FOIA request. I am not convinced the EBD was included in the release to Drosnin, as it is not clearly listed, and I would doubt that the case unless I specifically found out otherwise.

But it's still an interesting find. I don't claim to know exactly what it all indicates, but I do find it interesting and worthy of further research. A number of questions arise.
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« Reply #97 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 04:57am »

Great piece that 2012 article. which tells me you know a lot more than letting on even from where we are standing.

This guy was at least upper mgmt..jack of all trades.
and multi tasker..

I noted his veiled threat..about slander..
Certainly involved in product testing and quality control for McDonals Franches imo.

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When I asked what Jones would say to individuals who might suspect his presence and activities in ufology have been indicative of operations conducted on behalf of the intelligence community, Jones stated the issue rarely comes up in a one-on-one situation.

"When it does I easily agree that everyone has a right to their own opinion. I simply affirm the truth about my life on this subject. It certainly does not deserve or need any energy investment on my part to defend the truth. This issue is not important to me at all. It has never come to the point where I felt that legal action would be required because I was being slandered or libeled."

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/X-Conference2008/jones_supplement.htm

Dr. Jones managed the Nuclear Test Personnel Review program under contract to the Defense Nuclear Agency. This program quantified the degree of radiological hazard incurred by Department of Defense personnel involved in atmospheric nuclear testing between 1946 and 1962. Extensive document search and retrieval from a large number of libraries, archives and record centers was involved. The recovered information and technical data was synthesized and converted into histories written for the layperson of each nuclear test operation.

He participated in contracts with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) in a project instructing analysts in quantitative methodologies and in development of self-paced learning modules on various methodologies including Event Sequence Network Analysis and Interpretative Structural Modeling. Also for the DIA he was involved in the transfer of advanced quantitative methodological software technology from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)to DIA workspaces.


Interesting Story


In 1976 a book by Donald Bain titled "The Control of Candy Jones" was published by Playboy Press. This one-of-a-kind book is the story Candy Jones, who was America's leading cover girl during the forties and fifties. In 1960 Jones fell on hard times and agreed to act as a courier for the CIA. An excellent subject for hypnosis, Jones became the plaything of a CIA psychiatrist who used her to exhibit his mastery of mind-control techniques. This psychiatrist used hypnosis and drugs to develop a second personality within Jones over a period of 12 years. This second personality took the form of a courier who could be triggered by telephone with particular sounds, and after the mission was completed and the normal personality resumed, did not remember anything.

These missions were elaborate, and frequently involved world travel to deliver messages. According to the book, Jones and other victims were once even subjected to torture at a seminar at CIA headquarters, as a means of demonstrating this psychiatrist's control over his subjects.

Jones married New York radio talk-show host Long John Nebel in 1972. An amateur hypnotist, Nebel stumbled onto her secret personality, and began unravelling the story over many subsequent sessions. Author Donald Bain, a family friend, was invited to reconstruct the story from more than 200 hours of taped sessions between Jones and Nebel. Various researchers have confirmed some pieces of the story, but Bain did not name the major CIA psychiatrist involved, nor did he name a second psychiatrist who played a more marginal role. Researcher Martin Cannon recently identified this second psychiatrist as the late William Kroger, who was an associate of Louis West, Martin Orne, and another MKULTRA veteran, H.J. Eysenck. Whatever the truth is behind Candy Jones -- and it's difficult to see the book as an elaborate hoax -- there's no question that hypnotist George Estabrooks raised issues that the CIA took seriously in secret research for at least 25 years.


Some Aviarians claim to be UFOlogists themselves, or are friendly and good-natured with other UFOlogists, and some genuine UFO researchers are quick to squabble with other researchers. This makes it nearly impossible to sort out who is disinforming whom, and difficult to distinguish the white hats from the black hats. Since he began looking into the Aviary, British researcher Armen Victorian has been burgled eight times, his car broken into three times, his telephone tapped, and a bug was discovered in his home. All this happened courtesy of British intelligence and police, reportedly as a favor for the CIA.

Something is going on here, and chances are excellent that it's not happening merely for our general amusement. Whoever the men in black turn out to be, it's not the casually-titillated viewer of "The X Files" that worries them. Instead, it's the relentless researchers who track their careers and publicize their deeds, hoping that one day the state will have no secrets, and that those who live off of its impoverished taxpayers will, in the end, be held accountable.

Those involved in parapsychology, mind control, and UFOlogy who have government connections make up a small community; the same names reappear constantly. Ranged against them are the independent researchers -- also a small community. Leaving aside Laurance Rockefeller, who is funding some activity in this area, presumably out of personal interest, there don't appear to be mysterious sums of money floating around. That means the field is open for dedicated researchers with modest resources. And that's the good news, because we need to be watching every move the psi-spooks make.

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http://www.ce399.typepad.com/weblog/cb-scott-jones/

http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/mindcontrol/hambone/index.html

Dr. Igor Smirnov connected to the foundation

Smirnov gave a series of closed meetings in Northern Virginia, starting on 3/17/93, to the FBI, CIA, DIA, and ARPA concerning Russian developments with a device that allegedly implanted thoughts in a subject's mind. The FBI was considering using this device to implant the voice of God in David Koresh's mind, telling him to surrender.
Other, non-intelligence participants included Dr. Christopher Green and Dr. Richard Nakamura of the National Institute of Health [I think he may now be the director].

This technology was supposedly used by the Russians against civilians in Afghanistan, and possibly on the Red Army to prepare them for battle.

The American rights to this technology is owned by a Richmond, Virginia company called Psycotechnologies Corp. (Defense Electronics, 7/93. Reprinted in Flatland #11)

As of 1994, Smirnov has worked at Moscow's Institute of Psycho-Correction, using subliminal technology as therapy for drug abusers and others. The Institute has been strapped for cash after the the fall of the Soviet Union, but it has refused to accept business from the Russian Mafia.
(Elliott, Dorinda and Barry, John, "A Subliminal Dr. Strangelove", Newsweek, 8/22/94, pg 57)
Has done work with the Human Potential Foundation and John Alexander.
Note: I'm not sure how Smirnov's device is supposed to work. Later reports claim it would work using inaudible, subliminal suggestions (spliced into phone conversations in the case of David Koresh). The device is definitely supposed to make the subject "hear" voices, as the FBI wanted to use Charlton Heston as the voice of God. This is definitely a different strategy from other subliminal techniques, which are designed to produce mere suggestions.

United States Psychotronic Association

Click here for their website.
Members:

Thomas Bearden
Charles Whitehouse, board member. In 1977, Whitehouse sold the Navy a "multipectral image analyzer station" for $5,111. The device supposedly works by focusing psychic energies to locate hidden submarines, using pictures as its target. (McRae, Ronald, Mind Wars, St. Martin's Press, 1984, pg 4) Note: McRae has admitted to fabricating some of the more absurd elements of his book - this probably among them
Theodore Rockwell, "a prominent (Who's Who) nuclear engineer who has worked on naval nuclear propulsion systems and who also serves as vice president" (Durant, Robert J., "Will the Real Scott Jones Please Stand Up?")

http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/mindcontrol/hambone/psitech.html

Senator from Rhode Island. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Club of Rome.
Along with Charlie Rose, Pell is one of Washington's biggest supporters of psychic research. In1988 he introduced a bill to get government funding for the new age group the National Committee on Human Resources (Al Gore was a co-sponsor). On the advisory board of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, and on the board of the Institute of Noetic Sciences and the Human Potential Foundation.
1987, was given a demonstration by Uri Geller. James "The Amazing" Randi was supposedly able to duplicate his feats using trickery. Geller claims to have helped Pell during one election campaign by beaming positive energy at him.

For seven years employed C.B. Scott Jones as an aide. (Gardner, Martin, "Clairborne Pell: The Senator From Outer Space", Skeptical Inquirer, March/April 1996) Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. Pell was a close friend of BCCI figure Clark Clifford.
(Truell, Peter and Gurwin, Larry, False Profits, Houghton Mifflin Company, 1992, pg 240)



You bagged a few high degree Lodge members for sure. grin
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« Reply #98 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 7:55pm »

Thanks, Sys. I have an appreciation for your willingness to wade through the circumstances and your abilities to empathize and discern certain circumstances. I also appreciate you conducting research and sharing your findings. Thank you.

Yes, I feel I know more about these circumstances than most, but, no, not to the extents of having any more information than can be obtained by anyone else. I do indeed feel circumstances related to the IC deserve much, much more attention than they currently receive within the UFO community, and that is indeed a primary motivating factor in my writing and participation. Thank you for noticing.

A significant point in my ufology path was when I took an interest in the Leah Haley case. That resulted in several blog posts and rather in depth review of circumstances ranging from the Carpenter Affair to an absolutely unbelievable hike across Eglin Air Force Base involving MUFON directors - and circumstances including many more questionable actions of MUFON directors, as well as their questionable affiliations. Lots of stuff worth reviewing... The Gulf Breeze Six, intel officers in ufology and numerous such topics became the subject matter of blog posts. I found Haley to be very helpful and transparent. Suffice it to say that was most certainly not the case with all parties involved.

I still would not offer an all inclusive statement on what I think it all conclusively indicates, but I would definitely agree with Carrion's implications that something we can most certainly objectively draw from such circumstances is the presence of secrecy and the concealing of activities, whatever the reasons may be. My interactions with Haley led to interviews with Lyn Buchanan, a retired IC member and a self-described alien abductee, and CB Scott Jones, as you reviewed, Sys. I also attempted to gain comments on the Haley case from a number of people who chose not to dance, some of which initially agreed to field some questions and then failed to reply after I presented the questions.

By the time I got to ufology's favorite colonel, John Alexander, it was Mid 2012, after many of the posts on Haley were already published, as well as the interviews with his former colleagues Buchanan and Jones. I had attempted unsuccessfully to discuss circumstances with Gen. Bert Stubblebine and his wife Dr. Rima Laibow on a number of occasions, but I had posted about some of the circumstances.

I wrote about the circumstances related to Col. Alexander:

The colonel's suggestions are reasonable perspectives: writing books about UFOs is a poor choice of financial ventures, the UFO community eats its young and if one is going to wade into ufology they might be well served to enjoy the sight of their own blood. Choosing to voice such perspectives begs the question, however, exactly what a retired career intelligence officer is now or was ever doing center stage at the equivalent of The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

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The UFO Trail found itself frequently crossing the John Alexander trail during the course of research, so I emailed the man prior to the Ozark UFO Conference and asked if he would meet with me for a few minutes during the event to answer some questions for a blog post.

Colonel Alexander initially agreed to my request, but when I approached him at the conference he unfortunately informed me he changed his mind. He indicated he was not going to schedule a time to meet with me due to what he stated was my interest in conspiracies, of which he adamantly denies exist. During the ensuing few minutes, the colonel came to now hold the distinction of being the only member of the UFO community I have ever asked permission to turn on my audio recorder who did not grant it.

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I neither created nor embellished the conspiracies surrounding the career of John Alexander. They were there long before I came along and I simply noticed discrepancies in certain accounts contained within. I would now like to address some circumstances which deserve further consideration, particularly when such circumstances involve people who claim they are trying to shed the light of actuality on the darkness of ufology.

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I did not get the chance during my short time with Colonel Alexander to reference all of the above circumstances and ask how people such as these, that he knew well and in some cases worked with directly, could have such differing accounts than his of what took place. I did, however, have a chance to mention the claims set forth by General Stubblebine and Dr. Laibow during my brief interaction with Alexander. He qualified that Stubblebine was his boss and added that he simply does not know why Stubblebine says the things he says. Well, I don't either, but I'm not the one claiming to be able and willing to explain this Chuck Barris routine to the rest of us while in actuality refusing to go on record to address its contradictions.

Please note it is not my intention to necessarily present any given claim as particularly indicative of the truth. My point is the claims are often mutually exclusive of one another. For instance, if Stubblebine is correct about ongoing mind control programs, then Alexander cannot be correct about the nonexistence of the covert operations, and so on.

If some call that fodder of a conspiracy theorist, so be it. I call it pointing out that people claiming to provide insider information and who worked together in intelligence actually make completely contradictory statements.

Full post:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2012/05/john-alexander-contradictions-and.html

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Thanks again, Sys. A lot of questions arise, not only about why these people do the things they do, but why the UFO community turns a blind eye.
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However, there are certain issues in which more clarification might help us further understand exactly what took place in the past and how it shaped the present. I continue to invite such clarification and related statements from Colonel Alexander, General Stubblebine, Dr. Laibow and any individuals who feel they have relevant information to contribute. Confidentiality will be respected and discretion will be exercised as applicable. My email address can be obtained through my profile.

Impossible to crack those two..age..rank..and they have an interest in health food ..big business ..in fact the entire homeopathic range too lucrative to risk making waves and doggedly defensive and aggresive. The are one on the many NGOs that help establih global standards on food and supplements..

an example ..

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

Given this background, and his resulting proximity to the US Government, eyebrows began to be raised in the health freedom community in early 2005 when, along with Rima Laibow, Stubblebine launched the website of the Natural Solutions Foundation and began to promote himself as an expert on Codex Alimentarius.

However, for a man who had previously held several senior posts in US Army Intelligence, and who as such would be acutely aware of the need to ensure accuracy in the gathering of information, it quickly became apparent to experienced health freedom observers that Stubblebine either hadn't done his homework properly, or that he and Laibow were intentionally spreading inaccurate and misleading material on Codex and other related dietary supplement issues via their website and press releases. Moreover, despite repeated concerns being expressed by more experienced health freedom observers, Stubblebine and Laibow continued to disseminate this material, and pointedly ignored requests to remove it from their website.

The inaccuracy of their written output on Codex reached a new high in July 2005, when, following the adoption by the Codex Alimentarius Commission of restrictive new global guidelines for vitamin and mineral supplements, Stubblebine and Laibow announced that a miracle had taken place at the Commission's meeting. While the health freedom community looked on in astonishment, Stubblebine and Laibow went on to claim that during the meeting a World Health Organization (WHO) Under Secretary for Food Safety had spoken "sternly, sharply and scathingly of the fact that little contribution to human health had been made by Codex" and that WHO had stated that "things would be different in the future". Of course, the Dr. Rath Health Foundation later proved, definitively, that these assertions were largely either mistaken or exaggerated; however this unfortunately didn't stem what was by then becoming a growing tide of inaccuracy flowing from Stubblebine and Laibow.

Immediately after the close of the meeting Bert Stubblebine approached me and positioned himself so that I could not easily walk away. His manner was somewhat aggressive, and at one point I had to tell him that there was no need to shout, as his raised voice and threatening manner were beginning to attract the attention of other delegates. He claimed that the subject of his anger was the Foundation's Codex meeting in Ottawa article, as well as the Miracle in Rome? and Be Wary of the Instant Experts articles that had recently been revised to include his and Rima Laibow's names. He asked me whether I wrote these articles, and I answered that the decision to name him in them was taken by the Executive Board of the Dr. Rath Health Foundation. In turn, I asked him whether he disagreed with any of the factual corrections that the Dr. Rath Health Foundation had published regarding the fictional nature of material put out by his organization, and, if so, which ones? "All of them", he answered.

Rima Laibow, speaking at Northwest Missouri State University in November 2005
Rima Laibow, speaking at Northwest Missouri State University in November 2005

By this point we had been joined by his wife, Rima Laibow, who, seemingly white with anger, proceeded to ask me some of the same questions that Bert had just asked me. I therefore told her that I had just answered these same questions to Bert, and that as such I saw no need to answer them again. Rima then proceeded to ask me "Who are the Executive Board of the Dr. Rath Health Foundation?", and I told her that the relevant names could all be found on the Foundation's website. At this they both about-turned and stormed off, and Rima muttered something whilst they were walking away to the effect that they would find that information very interesting.

The Dr. Rath Health Foundation believes that the health freedom movement now needs to ask several important questions of Stubblebine and the Natural Solutions Foundation:
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What codex does..
The Codex Alimentarius Commission, established by FAO and WHO in 1963 develops harmonised international food standards, guidelines and codes of practice to protect the health of the consumers and ensure fair practices in the food trade. The Commission also promotes coordination of all food standards work undertaken by international governmental and non-governmental organizations. For more information see here.


http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/codex-alimentarius-adopts-labeling-of-genetically-modified-foods/
http://www.nsfmarketplace.com/shop/
http://www.codexalimentarius.org/members-observers/members/en/?no_cache=1

Codex Alimentarius adopts labeling of genetically modified foods
Posted on July 5, 2011 by geobear7 | 3 Comments
On July 5, the US delegation dropped its opposition to the GM labeling guidance document, allowing it to move forward and become an official Codex text.

By Consumers International

Twenty year struggle within global food safety body ends with ‘consumer rights milestone’

Move clears way for greater monitoring of the effects of GM organisms

Consumers International (CI) and its member organisations celebrated victory today as regulators from more than 100 countries agreed on long overdue guidance on the labeling of genetically modified (GM) food.


an anti codex anti nwo that did not get far raising stubbs background of intel went dead it seems..site still up
http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/nocodexgenocide.htm

The danger to to an observer is getting splashed by the spillover to these areas that also draw certain types on the fringe...health..what you eat...breathe drink.. climate awareness and environmental groups ..the latter infiltrated government and private sector security types.
some are compartmentalized..others are not..trained to blow off questions or anticipate problems...others like CB jones are modular..can work any assignment..
It seems someone tipped off Alexander about you..
That Gordon chap sounds like a Mr Fix it..interesting..

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Now I remember vaguely..
http://www.jerrypippin.com/UFO_Files_gordon_novel.html

amazing the awsome tributes from the Project Camelot people..

It also seems reasonable to ask if Alexander ever had any knowledge of Bigelow moving funds around for undisclosed “sponsors,” as asserted by former MUFON international director James Carrion. If so, who were the sponsors and what were the circumstances?

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If we consider funds dispersed by Bigelow went to such recipients as Hopkins, Mack, Jacobs, Moulton-Howe, Carpenter, the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS), the Fund for UFO Research (FUFOR), supposed abduction research projects and many, many more, reportedly even including infamous Bob Lazar, it is not difficult to envision such funds substantially shaped the current public perception of alleged alien abduction. How different and more accurate might we collectively view the situation if it were not for the unsupported claims so-called researchers misled us to prematurely embrace as established truth? How relevant are the specific sources of money that bankrolled the descent into absurdity?

One can see what we have is trickle up ufology and you have the bulk of the gatekeepers ready to package it for mainsteam...dont they call these turnkey operations? smiley
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curious serendipity

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I went to check out the guy Hal Puthoff known as the smoking man and he was briefly mentioned in a thread dealing with Bigelows takeover or dismantling of Mufon.

It lasted some 3 pages with a little back and forth how to recognize a disinfo agent. It was cordial..ending with this poster saying all for the best ..pats on back..and bonvoyage and essentially blaming Carrion for mishandling of funds..


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread661211/pg3&mem=




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So, it seems Mr. Carrion was taking the MUFON contributor for a financial ride. Too bad for the people involved, and shame on the organization for not keeping a better census of their potential importance to the rest of the UFO follower's respect.
If Mr. Bigelow was shunned for his actions and the taking over of the organization, then ridiculed by persons such as myself, "I apologize for the unwarranted thoughts of this being nothing short of another conspiracy to derail UFO investigations and disclosures around the globe. This I truly regret."

With that said, we have concluded the mystery of why all the MUFON chief organizers were being removed or replaced. It was from shear greed and unimaginable lack of etiquette.

Thanks for all your guy's feed back with this thread. It took a while to get the answers, but truth has surfaced. Now all we have to do is hope the new management has more respect for their constituents now and in the future.

"Thanks for funding MUFON Mr. Bigelow."




On a humdrum i googled his handle which is unique with the digits for differentation..

it only showed up at photobucket

and here at the stratford leaks emails of paid snitches.. at wiki..it may mean nothing at all..prob a glitch..

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I didnt kow the COS played such an important part of Hals life..he disavowed them after reaching very high elite level.
I bet those auditing files presented a juicy target for NSA...and others..
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Thanks, Sys. Interesting stuff. The players and their activities indeed wind through a wide range of head scratching circumstances. In my opinion, common denominators and points of importance keep including the key words such as deception, obfuscation and lacks of transparency (as happen to also be at the forefront of Carrion's evaluations of such situations).

A few points I'd like to comment on:

I consider myself a Sharon Weinberger fan. I highly admired and respected 'Imaginary Weapons', and her 2007 interview with Alexander in the WaPo was outstanding. It was in that interview that the colonel made such remarks as the baby was thrown out with the bathwater when MKULTRA was discontinued, and that he supports a type of electronically induced mental neutering so that people can be released without coming back and killing him. Weinberger noted that these statements were made between bites of a cheese steak and fries as they sat in a DC-area Chili's.

The article, 'Mind Games', shook things up a bit. She blogged some about it, and, in my opinion, raised valid, thoughtful points:

http://sharonweinberger.com/blog/?p=130

Late last year I did a couple of posts on ethics of exploring the fringe. I contacted Weinberger and requested she offer some of her insights, to which she graciously agreed. I was indeed grateful to include her comments along with those of Nigel Watson and Mark Pilkington. I appreciated each of their participation very much. Among other things of interest that Weinberger stated, she indicated that she still receives what she termed daily emails from people all over the world about her mind control article in the WaPo.

About such 'lodge members' as Bigelow and Alexander, I indeed find a number of points of interest. Again, we are left somewhat holding the bag of lack of conclusions, but can certainly identify our common themes of obfuscations and lacks of transparency.

I did a rather extensive post last year, 'The Carpenter Affair: For the Record'. This covered one of those chains of events that I think should receive a great deal more attention for a lot of reasons. At any rate, in the context of our recent posts here at Casebook, I'll offer the following excerpts:

Two years ago I began publishing a series of posts on the Leah Haley case. I found a number of aspects of the woman's story of interest. Researching and writing about her experiences led to many intriguing and relevant aspects of ufology. Among them was something that came to be known as the Carpenter Affair, a chain of events in which hypnotist John Carpenter accepted approximately $14,000 for delivering copies of the case files of 140 clients – people suspecting themselves to be alien abductees – to Robert Bigelow and his now dissolved National Institute for Discovery Science. The 140, which included Haley, were not informed by Carpenter that he made such arrangements.

Carpenter was the director of abduction research for the Mutual UFO Network at the time, the 1990's. He was also a Missouri Licensed Clinical Social Worker.

[...]

John Carpenter was offered an opportunity to provide comments for this post, and subsequently wrote in an October 15 email, “Mr. Bigelow funded all of the major researchers in some fashion with equipment, various projects, conferences, documentaries, research trips, etc. Receiving help from him for a scientific and serious research endeavor was not unusual. Researchers presented many proposals to him. His elite science panel included two astronauts who had walked on the moon. We should be proud that that level of science and expertise was involved.”

Carpenter was also offered an opportunity to comment on some specific previous remarks in addition to those addressed earlier in this post. In January of 2012, Carpenter stated to The UFO Trail that additional researchers were approached with similar offers as he, and that some of them may have also shared data. Encouraged to directly address details of such circumstances and expand on those remarks, Carpenter chose not to do so.

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Multiple attempts were unsuccessful to obtain comment from Robert Bigelow for this post. His statements continue to be invited should he ever be inclined to provide them.

John Schuessler was sent emails requesting permission to ask a few questions related to the Carpenter Affair. No responses were received.

Colonel John Alexander, a former NIDS staff member and among those originally confirming the Carpenter Affair, was asked earlier this year to please comment on related issues, such as any interest he may have had in the 140 case files. He was also asked, in his opinion, why Mr. Bigelow obtained copies of the files and financed Carpenter's activities. The colonel was additionally requested to please comment on whether other researchers supplied Bigelow with files, as Carpenter suggested.

“Lastly,” I wrote Alexander, “former MUFON Director James Carrion alleged that Bigelow moved funds on behalf of an undisclosed financial sponsor during collaborations with MUFON. Can you offer any comment on that? Is there anything you might be at liberty to discuss concerning relationships between Bigelow corporations and intelligence agencies?”

In an August email, Colonel Alexander replied briefly, “You should ask Bigelow if you are interested in old affairs.”

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And finally (at least for now), I was exploring circumstances surrounding Bigelow and the members of the boards of directors of some UFO orgs:

It was repeatedly reported that CUFOS, MUFON and FUFOR collaborated to conduct the AMP. According to the FUFOR website, FUFOR was founded in 1979. Familiar names, such as Tom Deuley, Bruce Maccabee, Don Berliner and Richard Hall, were involved.

Deuley reported in his 2008 MUFON Journal article that the AMP collaboration resulted in the forming of the UFO Research Coalition. Further review of the FUFOR website indicated the Coalition, or URC, was attributed to the controversial Robert Bigelow.

In 1993, it was stated on the FUFOR site, “the Fund joined with the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) and the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) to form the UFO Research Coalition to conduct major projects, at the suggestion of Las Vegas builder Robert Bigelow, who promised major funding.” By 1994, it was further reported, “disagreement over control of the UFO Research Coalition lead to a complete break with Robert Bigelow. Laurance Rockefeller appeared on the scene, ready to fund major projects through his intermediary, Mrs. Marie 'Bootsie' Gailbreath.”

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And here's what I'm getting at with the Bigelow bit: I'm not entirely clear on how a guy can keep bringing spoiled potato salad to the pot luck yet keep getting invited back. Bigelow was involved in derailing MUFON's research of alien abduction via the Carpenter Affair; he aligned with FUFOR before what were reported as differences in control of URC caused a complete break; and MUFON then gave him a stamp of approval as big man on campus for what turned into the STAR Team fiasco - all of which was enabled by many of the same men who sat front and center for the entire chain of events. They simultaneously sat on multiple boards and were founding members of the organizations involved, yet continued to dance with Bigelow as if they were unaware that doing so tended to become problematic. Not entirely clear on all that.
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To summarize my general interpretations and resulting stance on such issues as have been discussed in this thread...

It is evident that a number of leaders of the UFO community have been involved in numerous circumstances of which details are not clear. Circumstances such as funding entities, project personnel and even project objectives - circumstances that are otherwise considered to be standard procedure to clarify throughout all other aspects of the nonprofit and research industries - are often muddied and unclear. That has been the case within ufology for many years, if not since its outset.

The reasons we, as a community, frequently turn a blind eye include deep desires to learn more. In other words, the community is often somewhat seduced by notions of books published by CIA consultants and the lure of hypnosis used as some type of almost magical memory enhancer (among many, many more examples). In the process, we often fail to acknowledge the exploitation and deception that are taking place.

There are no doubt many reasons for the deception. I think any way we look at it, though, we should keep coming back to the bottom line: to a large extent, we've been misled. The solution, in my opinion, includes fact checking and deep commitments to higher qualities of research and information.

Boycott the deception. Don't support orgs and investigators that are not transparent and forthcoming about their activities. Not only does the quality of information suffer, but so do the people who are being hurt in the process.
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on Jul 27th, 2014, 2:21pm, jjflash wrote:
To summarize my general interpretations and resulting stance on such issues as have been discussed in this thread...

It is evident that a number of leaders of the UFO community have been involved in numerous circumstances of which details are not clear. Circumstances such as funding entities, project personnel and even project objectives - circumstances that are otherwise considered to be standard procedure to clarify throughout all other aspects of the nonprofit and research industries - are often muddied and unclear. That has been the case within ufology for many years, if not since its outset.

The reasons we, as a community, frequently turn a blind eye include deep desires to learn more. In other words, the community is often somewhat seduced by notions of books published by CIA consultants and the lure of hypnosis used as some type of almost magical memory enhancer (among many, many more examples). In the process, we often fail to acknowledge the exploitation and deception that are taking place.

There are no doubt many reasons for the deception. I think any way we look at it, though, we should keep coming back to the bottom line: to a large extent, we've been misled. The solution, in my opinion, includes fact checking and deep commitments to higher qualities of research and information.

Boycott the deception. Don't support orgs and investigators that are not transparent and forthcoming about their activities. Not only does the quality of information suffer, but so do the people who are being hurt in the process.


Thanks for the general summary;....this thread was getting a bit murky and off topic regarding the various deceptions and games by various parties.
What are your thoughts on why all the 'deception', misdirection, and manipulation of ufo researchers as it applies to the ufo enigma.
Is there an agenda here? To what purpose? Is it just about egos and money or is this about a deeper agenda?

btw...as you are well aware Dr Vallee knows Alexander and Bigelow as well as others in these circles. He also did work for the govt (DARPA) in a computer information capacity.
Is he trustworthy iyo or part of the larger 'game'?
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There are many boards that function as interlocking directorates and others are there for more disconnected reasons..when they are all funded by same person then we have inevitably see problems.

On the Cos item that popped up..I googled this ...and it popped up for feb of this year.

http://www.dallasblog.com/201402181010101/dallas-blog/soros-hires-scientologist-to-conquer-ukraine.html

Billionaire oil tycoon George Soros, a financier of the Democrat Party, has deployed Arseniy Yatsenyuk, a leader of the Fatherland Party, to ignite a regime change revolution against the government of Ukraine in Kiev. Mr. Yatsenyuk is a leading member of the Scientology cult and a big fan of the Hollywood film star Tom Cruise.
Al Jazeera reports that, "The three major players in the opposition are hostile to each other. The boxing champion and leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform party (UDAR), Vitali Klitschko, is seen as glamorous and naive. The Fatherland Party leader, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, is viewed as a dutiful tool of the U.S. and billionaire philanthropist George Soros. The ultranationalist leader of the All Ukrainian Union “Freedom” Party, Oleh Tyahnybok, is seen as dangerous. The U.S. State Department reportedly favors the weakest of the three opposition leaders, the “liberal” Yatsenyuk."
Yatsenyuk has taken charge of a Scientology-funded bank in the Ukraine called Aval Bank
According to Wikipedia, "It is reported that Yatsenyuk graduated from the Kiev school of Dianetics and joined the Scientology organization in 1998, while working as a consultant for the credit department of Aval Bank. In the same year he signed a contract with the so-called "Sea Organization," the elite structure of the "Church of Scientology." Yatsenyuk is presently a high-ranking member of the sect and has a "level of auditing" called OT-6. His sister, Alina Petrovna Steele (aka Alina Jones), a citizen of the United States, is also connected with the Church of Scientology. Steele is active at the branch of the church in the city of Santa Barbara (USA, California) and she is at a lower level, OT-4, out of a total of 8."
His wife and children currently reside in Santa Barbara to boost the global influence of Scientologists.
To read the entire article from al Jazeera, link here: To learn more about Arseniy Yatsenyuk, link here:
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http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?34955-Soros-Hires-Scientologist-to-Conquer-Ukraine
http://www.dallasblog.com/201402181010101/dallas-blog/soros-hires-scientologist-to-conquer-ukraine.html
Yatsenyuk has taken charge of a Scientology-funded bank in the Ukraine called Aval Bank

According to Wikipedia, "It is reported that Yatsenyuk graduated from the Kiev school of Dianetics and joined the Scientology organization in 1998, while working as a consultant for the credit department of Aval Bank. In the same year he signed a contract with the so-called "Sea Organization," the elite structure of the "Church of Scientology." Yatsenyuk is presently a high-ranking member of the sect and has a "level of auditing" called OT-6. His sister, Alina Petrovna Steele (aka Alina Jones), a citizen of the United States, is also connected with the Church of Scientology. Steele is active at the branch of the church in the city of Santa Barbara (USA, California) and she is at a lower level, OT-4, out of a total of 8."

so that ufo cults as other cults can have far reaching effects..in this case someone sees the utility of COS methods for international use besides woowoo hoaxes.

Shifts in perception can be as critical as a shift in direction..which by even a degree can cause over time a plane to stray or crash.

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