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« Reply #144 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 04:16am »

VIPERONE,

YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH ON THIS TOPIC AS THERE IS MUCH MORE TO IT THAN WHAT MEETS YOUR POST...FIRST OFF...CHECK THE BURN TEMP OF JET FUEL AS WELL AS THE KINDLING TEMP OF STEEL...MOREOVER...STEEL WHICH HAVE BEEN COATED WITH FIRE RETARDANT...
IN A TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL PHOTOGRAPHIC ACCOUNT IN BUILDING SEVEN WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECURE COMPOUND FOR SUCH EVENTS WHEREIN THE MAYOR SHOULD'VE BEEN RUSHED TO...THIS BUILDING CAME DOWN IN THE EXACT SAME FASHION AS ANY BUILDING UNDER A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
ONE ADDITIONAL FACT WHICH WAS CONFIRMED BY THIS PHOTOGRAPHER WHOM WAS CONTRACTED TO DOCUMENT/PHOTOGRAPH BUILDING SEVEN...IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE TOP SECRET VAULT WHICH WAS USED BY SEVERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IN PARTICULAR THE CIA...WHICH WAS UNDERSTOOD.TO CONTAIN VAST SUMS OF MONEY ALONG WITH COUNTLESS SECURE DOCUMENTS...THIS VAULT WAS PHOTOGRAPHED JUST AFTER THE BUILDING COLLAPSE WITH THE VAULT WIDE OPEN AND COMPLETELY EMPTY...ANYONE CARE TO ENTERTAIN HOW SUCH COULD'VE COME ABOUT...
WHAT CAUSED THIS BUILDING TO GONE DOWN....THERE WAS NO IMPACT..
SOME ALLUDE TO DAMAGE FROM DEBRIS FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH TOWER...VIDEOS SHOW NOMINAL DEBRIS IMPACT THUS SUCH CONCLUSION TO BE A REACH...
WELL...TO THOSE WHOM REMAIN COMFORTABLE ON THE COUCH,T.V. CONTROL IN HAND AND BOUNCE TO THE KITCHEN ON EACH FOOD COMMERCIAL...YOUR COMFORT ZONE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED...BUT TO THOSE WHOSE ...WHO,WHAT,WHERE,WHEN,AND HOW CONTINUE TO HAVE QUESTIONS...YOU WOULD DO YOURSELF SERVICE BY MAINTAINING AN OPEN MIND AS THERE IS MUCH TO COME OUT IN THE FUTURE...

SHALOM...ZETAR

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BUILDING SEVEN IS HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE...


THE PENTAGON...HOW CAN ONE OF THE MOST SECURE BUILDINGS IN THE WORLD PROVIDE ONLY ONE FRAME OF VIDEOTAPE TO ASSURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A PLANE IMPACTED...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF OTHER CAMERAS WHICH SHOULD'VE BEEN OPERATIONAL...MUCH LESS ANY NUMBER OF CIVILIAN CAMERAS...
THIS PLANE IF IMPACTED ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO...LEVEL AT SAY 15-25 AGL...ABOVE GROUND LEVEL...IT SHOULD'VE PLOWED A PATH OF DESTRUCTION ON FINAL APPROACH SUCKING UP CARS AND POLES WHILE ENROUTE TO FINAL IMPACT.
FURTHERMORE...ONE OF THE FIRST WITNESSES WHOM CRAWLED FROM UNDER HER DESK DID NOT SEE THE HULL OR SHELL OF A PLANE

THIS FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE CONCERNING THIS/THOSE INCIDENTS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE USED WITH UFOS...I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE IN COURT CONVICTED WITH EQUAL OR LESS EVIDENCE...
WELL...SHALOM AGAIN...ZETAR
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« Reply #145 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 05:00am »

on Jul 4th, 2012, 04:16am, ZETAR wrote:
VIPERONE,

YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH ON THIS TOPIC AS THERE IS MUCH MORE TO IT THAN WHAT MEETS YOUR POST...FIRST OFF...CHECK THE BURN TEMP OF JET FUEL AS WELL AS THE KINDLING TEMP OF STEEL...MOREOVER...STEEL WHICH HAVE BEEN COATED WITH FIRE RETARDANT...
IN A TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL PHOTOGRAPHIC ACCOUNT IN BUILDING SEVEN WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECURE COMPOUND FOR SUCH EVENTS WHEREIN THE MAYOR SHOULD'VE BEEN RUSHED TO...THIS BUILDING CAME DOWN IN THE EXACT SAME FASHION AS ANY BUILDING UNDER A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
ONE ADDITIONAL FACT WHICH WAS CONFIRMED BY THIS PHOTOGRAPHER WHOM WAS CONTRACTED TO DOCUMENT/PHOTOGRAPH BUILDING SEVEN...IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE TOP SECRET VAULT WHICH WAS USED BY SEVERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IN PARTICULAR THE CIA...WHICH WAS UNDERSTOOD.TO CONTAIN VAST SUMS OF MONEY ALONG WITH COUNTLESS SECURE DOCUMENTS...THIS VAULT WAS PHOTOGRAPHED JUST AFTER THE BUILDING COLLAPSE WITH THE VAULT WIDE OPEN AND COMPLETELY EMPTY...ANYONE CARE TO ENTERTAIN HOW SUCH COULD'VE COME ABOUT...
WHAT CAUSED THIS BUILDING TO GONE DOWN....THERE WAS NO IMPACT..
SOME ALLUDE TO DAMAGE FROM DEBRIS FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH TOWER...VIDEOS SHOW NOMINAL DEBRIS IMPACT THUS SUCH CONCLUSION TO BE A REACH...
WELL...TO THOSE WHOM REMAIN COMFORTABLE ON THE COUCH,T.V. CONTROL IN HAND AND BOUNCE TO THE KITCHEN ON EACH FOOD COMMERCIAL...YOUR COMFORT ZONE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED...BUT TO THOSE WHOSE ...WHO,WHAT,WHERE,WHEN,AND HOW CONTINUE TO HAVE QUESTIONS...YOU WOULD DO YOURSELF SERVICE BY MAINTAINING AN OPEN MIND AS THERE IS MUCH TO COME OUT IN THE FUTURE...

SHALOM...ZETAR

EDIT TO ADD:
BUILDING SEVEN IS HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE...


THE PENTAGON...HOW CAN ONE OF THE MOST SECURE BUILDINGS IN THE WORLD PROVIDE ONLY ONE FRAME OF VIDEOTAPE TO ASSURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A PLANE IMPACTED...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF OTHER CAMERAS WHICH SHOULD'VE BEEN OPERATIONAL...MUCH LESS ANY NUMBER OF CIVILIAN CAMERAS...
THIS PLANE IF IMPACTED ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO...LEVEL AT SAY 15-25 AGL...ABOVE GROUND LEVEL...IT SHOULD'VE PLOWED A PATH OF DESTRUCTION ON FINAL APPROACH SUCKING UP CARS AND POLES WHILE ENROUTE TO FINAL IMPACT.
FURTHERMORE...ONE OF THE FIRST WITNESSES WHOM CRAWLED FROM UNDER HER DESK DID NOT SEE THE HULL OR SHELL OF A PLANE

THIS FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE CONCERNING THIS/THOSE INCIDENTS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE USED WITH UFOS...I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE IN COURT CONVICTED WITH EQUAL OR LESS EVIDENCE...
WELL...SHALOM AGAIN...ZETAR


I agree ZETAR, building seven is the (literally) smoking gun here. As Viperone says, the explanation of superheated kerosine fires at the very least makes it POSSIBLE WTC 1 and 2 structurally failed. And since no plane has impacted Seven, its structural, controlled demolition-like, pancaking collapse, is left without scientific explanation. Not even in the official report, which only arrives at a high probability a vital column failed, with the added caveats that some facts do NOT support this conclusion, and some facts were WITHHELD.

The ninja's of old called this 'hiding in plain sight'.

I suspect the US gov carried out a mission on almost unimaginable scale, involving the destruction of three WTC buildings, with the whole world watching, yet no one knew what they saw.


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« Reply #146 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 1:25pm »

ZETAR and purr have their opinions which reflects this whole belief in what they think is a mass 9/11 conspiracy, that`s fine such is the diverse here, PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #147 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 2:02pm »

im not listening to one side of the story.... its just that one side is more convincing. Osama Bin Laden had a kidney disease. He was on dialysis, and it would have been a medical miracle for him to survive to 2011. And the US government gave millions to Al Quada and the taliban. Theres also reasons for them to bomb these locations, like bombing the pentagon gave them a newer, more advanced building with no questions from the UN. Bombing two buildings full of people gave them a reason for war, increasing the defense budget. You could have one take out the president, but have a suicidal man crash the plane too soon and blame it on heroic passengers, adding more believability. And these are just scratching the surface. I don't know exactly why they did it, but I'm almost certain it was done by America.
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« Reply #148 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 2:40pm »

HEY PK,

YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT.

I MUST ADD TO YOUR OBSERVATION...I TOO TOOK SAID INCIDENT (9/11) AT FACE VALUE.
I'VE BEEN TRAINED AS A PRIVATE PILOT WHICH HELPED MY UNDERSTANDING/QUESTION CERTAIN ASPECTS OF SAID INCIDENT.
WHEN PILOT AFTER PILOT ALONG WITH ENGINEER AFTER ENGINEER TEMPERED WITH DEMOLITION EXPERTS TESTIMONY LED ME TO INITIATE MY OWN RESEARCH WHICH SLOWLY REVEALED TO ME AN OPTIONAL EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
I PREFACE ALL SITUATIONS WITH ONE BASIC TENENT...WHO OR WHOM HAD THE MOST TO GAIN AND WHY...(MOTIVE).
MOREOVER,IT'S CRITICAL TO FOLLOW THE MONEY AS IT THE GREASE FOR THE COGS AND OFTEN MOTIVATION IN ADDITION TO THE OLDEST MOTIVE OF ALL...(POWER/CONTROL)
THERE ARE MANY SUCH NAMES/PEOPLE WHOM I SHAN'T MENTION AS ONE SHOULD COME ACROSS IF THEY DO THEIR INDEPENDENT RESEARCH.
MY POINT AND OBSERVATION IS THAT THERE IS CLEARLY MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE...AND THERE WILL BE THOSE WHOM ADOPT AN OSTRICH MENTALITY BY BURYING THEIR HEAD IN THE SAND ...THOSE PEOPLE FALL INTO THE GROUP WHOM BELIEVED ONES WHOM PLACED THEM AT RADIATION TEST SITES POPPING OFF MUSHROOM MUNITIONS...INJECTED PATIENTS WITH RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL FOR LAB STATISTICS...INJECTED THOSE AT TUSKEGEE INSTITUTE WITH SYPHILIS...FURTHERMORE MANIPULATED THE DOCTORS TO LIE TO PATIENTS FOR YEARS FOR DATA...THAT THERE WAS NO I'LL INTENT NOR COMPLICITY.
I'M NOT SAYING OUR GOVERNMENT DID 9/11...MAY HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT...BUT IT TOOK MORE THAN 19 TO EXECUTE FOR THE RESULTS OBTAINED ALONG WITH THE POLITICAL/PSYCHOLOGICAL/ECONOMIC OUTCOME FELT THROUGH TODAY AND BEYOND...

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« Reply #149 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 4:28pm »

on Oct 28th, 2010, 08:19am, HAL9000 wrote:
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You and me both. smiley

Were probably not as far apart as you think. But I'll respect your wish not to pursue the issue. After all, it is a ufo site, not a general government policy conspiracy rant.

If you would ever like to expand on your theory off what they were looking for then I would be interested to hear it.

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A long time down the road to reply Hal. I know. I just wanted to point out how much things have changed during this time. America now seems callous under current leadership, and many even think that the current administration would like to see a war start because it would mean a great boost to his waning poll status. As proof they point to the fact that our drones are now flying the unfriendly skies of several central and northern African Nations. Complete with Hellfire Missiles.

Our president succeeded in getting Iran so stirred up that we now have to keep three carrier task forces on patrol in and near the Gulf Region.

National security secrets keep landing in the press, and the administration is the best suspect.

Our attorney general is in contempt of congress whether they decide that way or not.

All is no longer well with America. I never thought I would say this, but I'm starting to yearn for the good old days of Bubba and Dubya. Yeesh!

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« Reply #150 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 4:36pm »

Zetar, I highly doubt our government was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. But there was obviously a security issue which I see as obvious. The attacks took place on the only day ever where NORAD computers had been reset for a special exercise which only searched outside our borders. If that's a coincidence, it's a grandpappy. I'm thinking inside information did exist.

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« Reply #151 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 5:23pm »

ICEPICK,

YOU KNOW I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND MY POST DIDN'T SAY OUR GOVERNMENT PULLED THIS OFF.
I LIKENED WHAT HAPPENED BACK TO PEARL HARBOR.
POLITICALLY CONGRESS WAS NOT GOING TO DECLARE WAR AS THE PRESIDENT SO DESIRED...MANY SCHOLARS BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD VAST INTELLIGENCE THAT AN ATTACK WAS IMMINENT AND MERELY LET THIS HAPPEN SO CONGRESS WAS NOT AN IMPEDIMENT TO GO TO WAR...BY ALLOWING AN ATTACK CONGRESS.WAS IMMEDIATELY BYPASSED.
PRIOR TO THE 9/11 INCIDENT...DOES ANYONE THINK THE PATRIOT ACT HAD A CHANCE OF PASSING CONGRESS THUS ESSENTIALLY HAVING A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION AND STRIKING A NUMBER OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS...WITH THAT ONE INCIDENT...LEGISLATION FLEW THROUGH BOTH HOUSES AS ALL SALUTED AS OUR RIGHTS WERE STRIPPED AWAY.
WHY WOULD CHENY WAIT TO GIVE ORDERS TO BRING THOSE.PLANES DOWN WHEN HE HAD PLENY OF ADVANCED NOTICE...WOULD LIVES HAD BEEN SAVED?
MOREOVER,WHY WERE SAID PLANES SENT OUT TO SEA WHEN THE MILITARY AND FAA HAD CONFIRMED CONTACT LANDSIDE...

WHEN ONE ACTUALLY LOOKS AT ITEM AFTER ITEM...A DIFFERENT PICTURE EMERGES FROM THAT WHICH WAS PAINTED BY THE 9/11 COMMISSION...
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ONE TO GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT...BUT IN THIS CASE IT APPEARS THE DOUBT LED TO VAST BENEFITS TO SOMEONE...THAT LIST IS LONG!!!

SHALOM...ZETAR
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« Reply #152 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 7:33pm »

on Jul 4th, 2012, 4:36pm, icepick wrote:
Zetar, I highly doubt our government was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. But there was obviously a security issue which I see as obvious. The attacks took place on the only day ever where NORAD computers had been reset for a special exercise which only searched outside our borders. If that's a coincidence, it's a grandpappy. I'm thinking inside information did exist.



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Norad had suffered from the Jamie Gorlick memo about stopping the sharing of information between government agencies. This move was ostensibly to stop in-fighting and turf wars within the differing bureaus! It was a foolish idea and caused many of the problems before 911!

I believe because it was the end of the Clinton Administration and the problems of her edict, plus the way the Clinton's and their minions refused to cooperate with the incoming Bush crew, NORAD dropped the ball. Was it coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not!

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« Reply #153 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 9:08pm »

Zetar, everyone is entitled to their opinion naturally. I won't push too hard on 9/11 because there is one very suspicious item involved. SAM sites which are well hidden in the DC area that did not go off. And afterwards the CIA claimed that they don't exist. I know for a fact they were there in 1972, and it would make little sense to remove them.

Of course the government never does anything that does not make sense, does it? grin

But Pearl Harbor is another matter entirely. People try to paint a government in the know very hard, and we had broken their code, but Yamamoto's fleet was under strict radio silence, and their plan was never mentioned outside the Emperor's Palace. On top of that, only a select few fleet officers knew the target.

That said, we did know we were going to get hit, we just didn't know when and where. We had cut off their oil supply, so they had to make a move somewhere. But the logical choice was Corregidor because the oil they needed was on the Malay Peninsula. Nobody even dreamed they would hit Pearl, Wake, the Philipines, Malaysia, Burma, and New Britain in one sweeping offensive like that. Especially when they were so busy in China. Yamamoto himself expected the offensive to take the better part of six months.

Pearl Harbor was a case of leaving our pants down, nothing more. MacArthur was prepared at that time on Luzon, but it was the only place on alert. After Pearl Luzon became sacrificial because we lacked the support ships to resupply. If you will recall, the Atlantic Fleet was already busy. As bad as some people want it to be true, Pearl Harbor was not entangled in conspiracy. The Japanese shocked the entire world with their target selection.

9/11, I can't say with that degree of certainty. I tend to doubt the attack was ours. On the other hand the official story stinks something fierce. It has always been my opinion that whoever was behind the attacks had a mole in our military giving them information. But I could be wrong. However, if you stop to think about it carefully, it might not make as much sense as you think. There are a lot of Muslims in our military, every one of which could have potentially set the blindsiding up on their own. This was not that big a deal. I'm willing to be open minded about 9/11, but I think the guilt takes a different path than anybody suspects. No, I don't really think bin Laden was behind it. Terrorists always rush to claim responsibility, and he never said squat. In my opinion you need to look for a better motive than passing the Patriot Act though. They've had something far nastier in the wings since the Nixon Administration which could legally be invoked right now. It's called the Economic Emergency Act. If ever you need a laxative real bad, read the deep inner workings of that monster. It will clean you out real good. We're going to have a very bad day if that thing is ever invoked.

So who had an interest to see us at war? I can think of quite a few folks. Iran, China, North Korea, even a couple of Eastern European nations. It may even have been revenge of the Serbs. Ever think of that?

As far as there being a major problem with the official story, well, you will never get an argument out of me about that.

But I will tell you one thing. If they planned to subdue us like you say, they miscalculated. Out here in the west civil war is a definite possibility due to these three lame administrations in a row. Times are extremely bad here, people are ticked, one almost feels the lit matches in the powder magazine. If this was their plan, they failed to see this. You know nobody wants to see civil war anywhere. Civil wars are nasty, bloody affairs.

Our local unemployment is back at 19% again. Bad enough for you?

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« Reply #154 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 9:36pm »

AS I SAID ...THE PATRIOT ACT WAS ONE OF NUMEROUS PIECES...KEEP IN MIND THE DAY BEFORE RUMSFELD WAS IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHERE TWO TRILLION DOLLARS WENT...IS IT COINCIDENCE THAT WHERE THE PENTAGON WAS HIT WAS WHERE ALL DOCUMENTS AS WELL AS ACCOUNTANTS WHOM KNEW WHERE THIS MONEY WENT...WAS DEVASTATED...
IT IS SO MANY PIECES THAT AT SOME POINT...COINCIDENCE GOES OUT THE WINDOW...BUT HEY...THIS IS ONE WHEREIN WE MAY AGREE TO DISAGREE...WHICH IS FINE FOR ME...

LIKE THE UFO PHENOMENA...IT'S HARD TO DISMISS THE EXISTENCE OF UFO'S WITH SO MUCH FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE...BUT MANY DO...OFTEN TO THEIR CHAGRIN...

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« Reply #155 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 9:55pm »

on Jul 4th, 2012, 1:25pm, PowerKnight wrote:
ZETAR and purr have their opinions which reflects this whole belief in what they think is a mass 9/11 conspiracy, that`s fine such is the diverse here, PowerKnight wink


I appreciate your civil treatment of this deeply contentious subject, PowerKnight. Of course I don't presume to speak for ZETAR, I do not know how he developed his insights, but here's the path I took.

I watched the 9/11 attacks on Dutch TV, zapping a lot to CNN, believed the media's reporting, and immediately recognized it as a major military win for Al Qaeda. America is a friendly nation to us, so I was totally with entering Afghanistan. But the Iraq thing immediately seemed off, a pack of blatant lies by Bush and Blair, driven somehow to invade Iraq at any cost, from a hidden motivation (utterly devoid of true WMD concerns!). An action so bizarre, it left me wondering ever since.

Years after that I learnt of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, thought them most probably a bunch of flakes, I even debunked adherents; yet as an exercise in open-mindedness I did create a model bringing the facts and conspiracy theories together.

The information which most strongly swayed me toward a US shadowgovernment executed mission to explain the sequence of events, and the evidence gathered, was the official report on the collapse of building 7.

Interestingly, I have found hardly a soul, very few among the "truthseeking" public, who has read that entire report. Could be because of its technical nature, distrust in anything official, or simply because of big text.

Anyhow, I read and took time considering its finding, and shockingly it fails to establish the scientific cause of 7's collapse. Investigators did a great job, honest too. But they had no (=extremely limited) access to the impacted debris, and steel beams at Ground Zero. So no real forensics. The report openly excludes some facts from publication, in particular anything leading to apportioning blame, proving crime. The final determination of the cause of WTC 7's fall is curiously framed as safety advise for designing and building, and the MOST PROBABLE cause (using limited data), instead of the proven one.

Conclusions mainly rest on a computer simulation of that building's fires and gradual degradation, leading to total collapse. But some fires entered as data were not measured. Effects of a functional (cooling) sprinkler system are not accounted for. Fire seals between floors (which should halt fire from spreading) are not accounted for. Sounds of explosions are not fully dealt with, nor the appearance of fires dying down, nor the impossible 6-second freefall of Building 7 at the point of total collapse.

If you ignore the analytical gymnastics of the authors, what it says is that the cause of 7's fall is unknown. Unprecedented. Maybe even not possible.

My logic, if 7 could not fall, securely held up by steel beams, it WAS TAKEN DOWN. Then if buillding 7 had been rigged well in advance for demolition, it follows: so have the twin towers. The demolition was designed to simulate the impact of three jetliners on three buildings, however the terrorists only managed to hijack two. Bummer, and a major headache for the planners of this spectacular event. Imho building 7 is the smoking gun.


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« Reply #156 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 10:19pm »

Don't worry Zetar. I doubt we're as far apart as you might think. Look at the final part of my post. We have bigger worries headed our way now. Far bigger. I don't know what region you live in, so I'm forced to ask how bad things are where you're at. This nation is fixing to come apart at the seams in a major way if something doesn't change. 9/11 is old news these days. We have something called the complete trashing of the nation taking place. It's time to move on and plan ahead.

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« Reply #157 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 11:16pm »

911 was definitely a false flag.

The Patriot Act was ready to go.

Look where the money went.

Look at what's happened since.

Endless wars, global depression

The big got bigger.

The US changed into a fascist regime.

Sure...it been that way a long time.

But it's right out in the open now and a whole lot more realize what's going on now.....and who are calling the shots.

It's not the Potus or either Party.

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The Internet Reformation is making it possible for individuals to now, for the first time in recorded history, discover the real world of the present and the past and come to recognize how we are more manipulated through directed history, memes, elite propaganda and manufactured public opinion than anyone dared realize before the birth of the Internet.

The power elite wants to continue to rule and maintain business as usual. They have developed structures, organizations and institutions to maintain and continue to expand their control over the entire world as regions outside the West develop, standards of living rise and there is simply more wealth to plunder. The knowledge, information available on the Internet and instant communications are making their job more difficult and this threatens the future of their mafia/parasitic like existence.

Thus, here today in the second decade of the 21st century, the battle lines are drawn between free thinkers desiring to live free and prosper and those who rule over and manipulate the world around us. This will be a battle to the death of ideas, liberty and the free market versus old style controls and ultimately force because the truth of our existence is now available to all who desire to understand war, politics, finance and central banking.
.http://www.thedailybell.com/4048/Ron-Holland-Introducing-The-Internet-Reformation-Society-IRS


I would add that 911 was implemented because the elite desired more control....and the fear based propaganda from the powerful images of that day.....easily allowed draconian measures to become reality...in fact most supported it.

I did at the time.

But then I funny thing happened to me.

I worked in an industry that imploded. Still do in fact.

That reality of what happened is far different than what most think.

I educated myself to what actually happen and I've discovered that the world isn't what I thought it was.

It's far darker than I could have possibly imagined.

The amount of corruption is staggering.

It still continues to the day.....Liborgate.

It's a huge fraud....one of the biggest.....and yet most just don't seem to care....or even realize what I'm talking about.

So 911 was a huge success for the elites.

Expect more fear based memes.

Expect more secret deals.

Expect more war.

Expect bailouts and corporate welfare

Expect another large event
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« Reply #158 on: Jul 5th, 2012, 06:35am »

I disagree with part of what you said. But in the event I turn out to be wrong and you right, heed what I said about civil war. People are ready here. And who knows what the split in the military will be.

If you live in a city, have a route to get out. Before it hits the fan.

Buy a black market gun (untraceable) and start hoarding ammo.

Camping equipment. Hows your survival skills?

It really doesn't matter who did 9/11 anyway. Out here it looks like that war might happen no matter what. Everybody knows the government has lied about things for ages. But Obama is taking it to an entirely new level. Three dud presidents in a row has taken its toll. People are flat out mad here.

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