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« Reply #30 on: Aug 21st, 2009, 03:21am »

It probably has no use to look into those archives, they won't share any real classified information with us. When they do have something actually interesting they won't document it since documents can be found. So there probably are records/files missing. Just like the Stasi, which guarded the borders of the DDR, preventing people to escape to the BRD. They had orders to shoot anyone who gave it a try, but they were smart enough to make sure this order never was written down or documented, and now it's undoable to sentence former authorities for homicide/mass murder because there is no evidence of such orders being given. Yhe lack of evidence prevents it. So when you never create any evidence, there is no evidence to be found, even in theory (as if it's easy to break in into the Capital's computer/military archives)
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« Reply #31 on: Aug 24th, 2009, 11:50am »

Art C........I am soapy also. Where did the people go? tyhink out of the box. Canada or taken out as they also did to the plane that was taken down ovwer the field NO cell phone works at over 3000 to 5,000 feet!!!!!!
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« Reply #32 on: Sep 6th, 2009, 2:13pm »

Excellent job. Looks like I have a pile of reading to do today. Thanks.
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« Reply #33 on: Jul 28th, 2010, 11:09pm »

Holy smokes that's a lot to deal with!
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« Reply #34 on: Sep 29th, 2010, 4:03pm »

on Jun 15th, 2009, 4:13pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Soapy,
Then I have to ask one question. Where did all the people on that plane disappear too? They where real people with real families and they didn't just get whisked off to some little known island to live out their lives in exile. No one has yet truly answer that one very important question to mine nor anyone else's satisfaction!

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Let me remind you of something. Or inform you if you don't already know. Then I will ask a question.

In 1973 when a soldier attempted to fly a helicopter into the White House, it was made clear that there are many SAM sites in and around Washington DC. Set to work on an automatic basis. Actually, we would be stupid not to have them, wouldn't we?

So what happened to those SAM sites on 9/11? I know they're there, because I saw two of them when I lived there. Somebody HAD to turn them off.

I heard that official CIA release about protecting our capitol with Stinger Missiles from rooftops after 9/11, but are we really going to believe that? Not I. I know better.

But I have yet to hear a single person come up with a good answer about what happened to them on 9/11. The government isn't talking. In fact, they're denying they even exist. How I'd love to find a copy of that 1973 newscast.
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« Reply #35 on: Oct 14th, 2010, 08:00am »

on Jun 15th, 2009, 4:13pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Soapy,
Then I have to ask one question. Where did all the people on that plane disappear too? They where real people with real families and they didn't just get whisked off to some little known island to live out their lives in exile. No one has yet truly answer that one very important question to mine nor anyone else's satisfaction!

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What can I tell'ya, LoneGunMan. Obviously I"m destined to make my psychiatrist a very rich man. My conspiracy must be bigger than yours shocked ...

This is not a matter of absolute technical limitations. It is a matter of concept (can I conceive of the US government executing a mission this crazy and amoral for any reason at all? Answer:.....fill in blank......). IF a secret black budget agency were given legal orders to 'whisk' away as many passengers/Tower occupants as possible, would/could they, in service of their country & President? I propose to you: YES THEY COULD.


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« Reply #36 on: Nov 1st, 2010, 07:17am »

What do you think of the Project Condign study?

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/PublicationScheme/SearchPublicationScheme/UnidentifiedAerialPhenomenauapInTheUkAirDefenceRegion.htm

Completed in February 2000, the four-year, four-part, 460 page study composed by an anonymous Defence Intelligence Analysis Staff (DIS) contractor was actually titled “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK Air Defence Region” (UAPADR) but has become better known for its cryptonym, “Project Condign.” It was brought to light in April 2006 as a result of Freedom of Information Act requests submitted by Dr. David Clarke, a senior lecturer in journalism at Sheffield Hallam University, and Gary Anthony, an amateur astronomer. Clarke and Anthony went on to write an overview of the report for Volume 30, Number 4, of the International UFO Reporter (IUR: August 2006) under the title “The British MoD Study: Project Condign,” and have made it available on their (and Andy Roberts’ and Joe McGonagle’s) website at www.uk-ufo.org/condign/ (date accessed: 11 December 2008). In his 2009 book The UFO Files: The inside story of real-life sightings, Dr. Clarke pointed out that “the completion of the Condign report in 2000 brought to an end half a century of intelligence interest in UFOs that began officially in 1950 when Sir Henry Tizard asked the MoD to set up a Flying Saucer Working Party. The Condign study concluded that UFOs existed, but were natural phenomena that did not pose a threat to the defence of the UK.”

Since the publication of Dr. Clarke’s book The UFO Files, on 1 December 2009 the MoD shut down its UFO e-mail address, and its UFO hotline began to respond to public inquiries with “please note it is no longer MoD policy to record, respond to, or investigate UFO sightings.” Apparently, “the MoD has no opinion on the existence or otherwise of extra-terrestrial life. However, in over fifty years, no UFO report has revealed any evidence of a potential threat to the United Kingdom. The MoD has no specific capability for identifying the nature of such sightings. There is no defence benefit in such investigation and it would be an inappropriate use of defence resources.” The Condign report’s role in that decision is yet to be determined, as is the impact of the recent gradual release of its UFO files by the National Archives and coinciding surge in sighting reports.
As the title suggests, the anonymous author of the UAPADR report was not studying UFOs as such, but rather the unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) that had been reported in UK airspace by numerous witnesses as “UFOs.” The nomenclature suited the author’s purpose, which was to determine the value, or otherwise, to Defence Intelligence of UAPs, and whether there was any evidence that they represented a threat to the UK. Secondarily, he would not ignore any spin-off technologies he might find to be relevant to the military, but should he happen to resolve UAPs to some natural physical condition in the process, and so end the UFO/ETV controversy once and for all, that would only be a by-product of his study.

According to Condign, “that UAP exist is indisputable.” In the 1950s, a network of sensors in France recorded extraordinary magnetic fields in the presence of a UAP, sufficient to account for their frequently reported effects on radio receivers, as in a 1977 report from Finland that involved 170 military personnel who described radio frequency (RF) equipment “jamming” and telephone failure. “Credited with the ability to hover, land, take-off, accelerate to exceptional velocities and vanish, they can reportedly alter their direction of flight suddenly and clearly can exhibit aerodynamic characteristics well beyond those of any known aircraft or missile – either manned or unmanned.” In fact, Condign’s author does not reject any of the sight, sound, smell or even taste perceptions reported by witnesses to UAP events on a daily, world-wide basis, or their potential effects on electronic equipment, motor vehicles or animals (that can be 20-to-30 percent more sensitive to sound than humans), but he does draw the line at touch, because the hypothesis that he pursues with relentless single-mindedness is that UAPs are plasmas – buoyant, charged, gaseous masses that, far from being intelligently controlled, move about solely in response to their electromagnetic environment. - Donald Soryu
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« Reply #37 on: Jan 26th, 2011, 5:26pm »

Amazing resources. Thanks for the share. I sure got my work cut out for me. I am sure glad I signed up at this forum.

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« Reply #38 on: Jun 22nd, 2011, 11:55pm »

Yes, the govenment must be a real source of info.
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« Reply #39 on: Dec 5th, 2011, 3:08pm »

I know old news is dead news, but there was something interesting which I had not considered that icepick brought up... namely, does DC have surface to air missile defense capability, and if so, why wasn't anything fired at the plane that hit the Pentagon? I might be confusing his questions, but it may be too, why weren't they mentioned as a defense for the other possible plane incoming for the White House?

I've got a couple of answers for that, as was started by the talk of the pilots that targeted the White House in the early 70s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Byck

This guy was doing a copycat of the soldier who buzzed the White House with a helicopter. I didn't even know about him. His objective was to assassinate Nixon. He killed at least two in his mission, and then himself. There's a couple of scary things about this. One is that we seemed to have forgotten about this incident some 27 years later to our chagrin.

Another is the point made in the wiki article:
"Then as now, however, it is privately acknowledged that MANPADS cannot instantly obliterate large-mass aircraft making suicidal attacks from close range. At the very best[citation needed], a hit by a MANPADS would turn one large incoming object into a number of only slightly smaller incoming objects, which would only serve to enlarge the area of damage and, possibly, cause more deaths than the original attack."

I'm leaving the citation remark in, as this information isn't validated. If there are SAM sites nestled in DC, are they set to be automatic? Would that have to be overridden to target a non-military plane? What about commercial planes? Were they there and then deactivated after this incident in '74? Could an airline fool the defense by flying steadily and then suddenly dive? However, one thing that is certain is that it was 1/2 hour after the second tower was hit that the Pentagon was hit. Should they have been on high alert by this time? Did they think it was over because the twin towers had been the target?

Stuff to think about.
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« Reply #40 on: Dec 5th, 2011, 4:09pm »

I'm pretty sure the White House and the Capital building have protection from the FIM 92 Stinger weapons system:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/stinger.htm

How that equates to security is an unknown and as you pointed out in close proximity to all the other historic buildings and artifacts within them makes it a crap shoot as to collateral damage!
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« Reply #41 on: Jul 30th, 2012, 02:26am »

Lone, if DC is protected by Stingers these days, it raises some serious questions about our government, waste, and guts. Not to mention stupidity.

Why would they pull our a defense grid capable of knocking down planes over 100 miles away, and replace them with a haphazard, fire drill style defensive scheme, only capable of knocking something down just under a mile away with any degree of reliability. They will reach slightly further, but check the statistics on the Stinger after half a mile, then check it's stats for one mile. Then tell me how effective they are when protecting stationary targets. Their score at half a mile is excellent, and this is where they shine. one half to one mile.

But a plane already lined up on something which is hit with such a small warhead only half a mile away? Would that effectively protect the target? Of course not.

The Stinger is a weapon for a soldier in the field. Not a spook on a rooftop. How often do you think they train with them using live warheads and AI Drones? One time max during their careers?

There's something very wrong with that assertion about government buildings being protected from the rooftops using Stingers. A bomber coming in supersonic would hit their target before the spooks could reach the roof in my opinion. A Russian Blackjack:

http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/tu-160_blackjack.pl

is capable of 1200 to 1300 MPH. Around the speed of a 30-30 round I believe. From the horizon to the target in less than half a minute.

I know there were SAM Sites hidden around the DC area during the 1960s and 1970s because I knew where one was tucked away just below the grounds of Mount Vernon. Where there's one, there's more ............

If they tore them out, which I find difficult to believe, then we need to take our government to task because it sounds suspiciously like they were setting things up to be hit.

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When I lived in DC I owned a 1969 Chevelle that was so hopped up it could do the quarter in the low elevens. One day in the park at Mount Vernon I was pulled over by a cop on a horse. Embarrassing!
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« Reply #42 on: Jul 18th, 2014, 7:43pm »

on Jul 9th, 2008, 2:39pm, raventhewitch wrote:
They have been here since ancient times and some theories even suggest that we are the result of a genetic alien experiment. The book of Genesis talks about lizards and dragons and Nephilim, which are non-earth beings.


You might want to Check out the Book of Enoch
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