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« Reply #75 on: Jul 15th, 2007, 7:21pm »

on Jun 2nd, 2007, 02:02am, africa wrote:
may this be a glow of inner sun getting out of south pole hole[imUser Imageg]TEXT[/img]


Do you have any information on when that photo was taken?
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« Reply #76 on: Jul 15th, 2007, 7:50pm »

it is well visible at the bottom of the photo when it was taken.
However i did not refer to this photo or may be few others for extraordinary evidence
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« Reply #77 on: Jul 15th, 2007, 9:37pm »

There's supposed to be an expedition up their this summer some time. There was an article about on UFO Digest several months ago. Has anybody heard anything about this?
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« Reply #78 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 02:32am »

on Jul 15th, 2007, 7:50pm, africa wrote:
it well visible at the bottom of the photo when it was taken.
However i did not refer to this photo or may be few others for extraordinary evidence


I know, but what time? It says "072 HRS AFTER 12UTC", but I don't have a clue what that means.
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« Reply #79 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 03:22am »

i could just suppose that means duration of phenomena was for three days after that day at noon gmt.

abt the jurney to noth pole i heard . it was postponed several times.in my opinion they will never go very far north not further of 87 00 00 lattitude and they will be stopped and redirected or even before they will be told the route to follow.
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« Reply #80 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 05:03am »

One more question...

What is the source of that photograph?
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« Reply #81 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 4:14pm »

NOAA is the source of the images
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« Reply #82 on: Jul 19th, 2007, 07:25am »

Google UTC. It is some sort of universal time.
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« Reply #83 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 1:23pm »

There is no chance that the earth could be hollow. Everything we know about plate tectonics, the earth's rotation and its magnetic fields would have to be redone. If the earth were hollow, the magnetosphere would have died out long ago assuming it ever could have formed one.

The magnetic field around the earth gets weaker with time. But it eventually renews itself because the earth's rotation around a molten core regenerates the field and also causes polar shifts. We know earth's magnetic poles have shifted before. This would not and could not happen if the earth was hollow.
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« Reply #84 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 5:34pm »

It could be cave-like with a vast cavern. I agree with you I don't think it is hollow like a tennis ball with nothing in the middle. There would be no magnetism. The magnetic field would indicate a large deposit of iron and/or other ores in the center.
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« Reply #85 on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 7:24pm »

Has anyone ever read Poe's "The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket"?

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« Reply #86 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 11:27am »

on Jul 22nd, 2007, 7:24pm, globus1 wrote:
Has anyone ever read Poe's "The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket"?


I took a literature class almost 30 years ago in which we studied Poe. I believe The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket was the only novel he completed. I could be wrong there. What I remember is he was a stowaway on a whaleship. Where he faced murder, mutiny, cannibalism and probably why you mentioned the book here. The part that deals with Hollow earth. To be honest the story is vague in my mind so if you care to elaborate I'm sure some of the members would love to hear about it. Heck I may have to go re-read the book if I can find a copy. I think it was written around 1830 or so.
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« Reply #87 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 11:44am »

[This is part of a much longer history of the Hollow Earth that I wrote some years ago. It's a spoiler, so don't read it unless you have no intention of reading the book (which is a mistakem IMO). Also, I believe Poe had one more novel after this one but it wasn't nearly as good even though Poe seemed to think it was.--Globus1]

John Cleves Symmes (1779-1829) postulated an earth that was hollow with 4000-mile wide polar openings. Furthermore, the earth was layered like an onion with four concentric shells and that the Inner Earth had its own denizens with whom Symmes wanted to open trade. He lobbied tirelessly for funding to conduct an expedition to the Inner Earth. He was widely ridiculed, especially in the scientific community, but many others believed him. Symmes and his son, Americus, saw great trade and mercantile potential in discovering the Inner Earth and vigorously sought funding for expeditions.

Eight years after Symmes’s death, Edgar Allan Poe began having a novel published in magazine installments – The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket – published in book form in 1850 – which is an account of young Pym’s wish for adventure by stowing away aboard a whaling vessel called the Grampus. While Pym is still hidden away, his presence aboard known only by his friend and accomplice Augustus who is the captain’s son, a mutiny takes place. Many of the crew are slain by the mutineers, including the captain. Augustus is taken prisoner but another mutineer, Dirk Peters, protects him from those who want to kill him. Augustus reveals Pym’s presence to Peters and together they hatch a plan to take the ship back from the mutineers who are too drunk, violent, treacherous and unruly to trust.

The plan is successful and one surviving mutineer, Parker, is taken prisoner although Augustus is badly wounded in the arm. The ship runs afoul a storm and is demasted. They drift aimlessly for weeks. After all the available food runs out and the men starving, Parker demands they draw lots with the loser becoming lunch for the benefit of the other three. Reluctantly, the others agree. Parker draws the short straw and is immediately dispatched by Peters. They dismember and devour Parker’s body. Augustus dies wretchedly from his wounds which had caused his arm to the shoulder to become gangrenous. They are forced to throw his decaying corpse overboard.

Eventually Pym and Peters are rescued by another ship, the Jane, where they are nursed back to health. The Jane docks on an unknown island populated by a non-Negroid black people whose teeth are even black. They exhibit a dread fear of anything white. Even the sight of a chicken’s egg or an open book terrifies them. They first treat the crew hospitably but then treacherously kill them and sack the ship. While burning the vessel, it explodes, killing and wounding a huge number of natives. Pym and Peters manage to escape the island.

They take a native’s boat along with its owner, whom they learn is named Nu-nu, and set sail hoping again to be rescued by a passing ship. Instead, they sail closer and closer to the South Pole. As they do, the water turns milky and the sky white and the weather and sea become rather warm. Enormous curtains of white vapor hang in the air and the point of their origin seems to be the direction that Pym, Peters and their captive are headed. Soon the weather becomes uncomfortably warm and the sea too hot to touch as more vapor rises in massive clouds in the distance. The sky is dark but a glow is seen under the water. More vapor clouds billow on the horizon as a shockwave moves past them. A white powdery substance like ash rains down on them. Nu-nu, whom Pym and Peters had questioned for information concerning the bizarre actions of his people towards their party, now falls on his face and refuses to move.

With our adventurers in a strange kind of lethargy, despite their canoe being swept along at progressively higher speeds in a southward-moving current, white furry creatures swim by them in the milky waters and strange, huge, white birds fly past them from the direction they are heading with their strange cry of “Tekeli-li, tekeli-li!” At this, Nu-nu moans and Pym and Peters discover that he has died, apparently of fright. Onward, they drift into what appears to be an enormous cataract – the towering curtains of vapor whose tops are lost in the distant darkness extending all the way down to the white sea – until they find themselves being drawn down into a huge, dizzying chasm (it is the polar opening). Suddenly a huge, entirely milk-white human figure looms before them. There the story abruptly ends. Then an editor’s note explains that Mr. Pym has died and the last chapters cannot be found. Peters, now a resident of Illinois, was being sought to supply the missing end of the bizarre journey.

Poe’s tale brought to the public’s attention the idea of some kind of civilization at or within the South Polar opening. He also brought up the idea that areas surrounding the polar opening are uncharacteristically warm due to the warmer temperatures inside the earth escaping through the poles. Poe doesn’t state this outright in the story but the implication is very clear. The glow under the water could be that of the Central Sun or perhaps whatever sent the shockwave such as an underground volcano.

In 1864, French author Jules Verne wrote Voyage au centre de la terre. A party looking for a passage to the center of the earth descend through a volcano hoping it will lead them to earth’s center. It does not. But the party finds instead a plethora of life in subterranean caverns some 200 miles below the earth’s surface. They even discover underground seas or lakes teeming with plesiosaurs. But the story does not involve the Hollow Earth per se. Translated into English as Journey to the Center of the Earth in 1871, Verne’s epic journey is now a classic.

The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym so intrigued Jules Verne that, in 1897, he wrote Le Sphinx des Glaces (The Sphinx of the Ice), an attempt at a conclusion to Pym’s account which includes the legendary Magnetic Mountain at the South Pole’s entrance – the huge white figure Pym mentions that, according to Verne, resembles a Sphinx. Poor Pym’s body is pinned there beneath his metal rifle so strongly attracted to the mountain that no man has the strength to free him. Of course, how Pym managed to write his memoirs of the incident when only Peters had returned from their ordeal is not explained by Verne.
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« Reply #88 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 7:16pm »

The question is where did Poe get the idea from?
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« Reply #89 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 9:12pm »

The belief in the Hollow Earth goes back quite a ways. Exactly where it got its start is not known. The Ancient Egyptians believed in a hidden land called Amenta. Massey believes it evolved out of the faded memory of when the first Egyptians left Central Africa and migrated into that land and losing sight of the Southern Hemisphere. Their memories became legends that grew into a mythology that was shaped and reshaped over the centuries. The Egyptian Amenta became a treacherous underworld. Its roof was held up by a pillar and that served as the ground for the surface world upon which stood another pillar holding up the heavens. Amenta was also considered to be a hollowed-out, tube-shaped realm through which Ptah passed and was assailed by hordes of demons and killed. After passing through Amenta, Ptah was reborn. Later Ptah was changed to Osiris. The legend was an allegory of the sun’s movement through the heavens in the course of a year. After the passing of the autumnal equinox, the days grow shorter as the sun rises and sets farther and farther south. So the sun was seen as entering into Amenta and being assailed by the demons of darkness under the earth. Hence, darkness holds sway over the winter months. After passing through Amenta, the sun returns to earth at the passing of the vernal equinox when the days grow longer and the earth blooms with life. So the south was the realm of hell and its ruler was Osiris’s dark twin, Set or Sut (whose name means “south” and also “soot” because it is black).

Some 2000 years or more later in the 6th century BCE, Pythagoras formulated a universe where there was a counter-earth he called the Antichthon. He said it existed on the other side of the planet and so was not seen (no Greek in that day had been to the New World yet – at least as far as can be determined). Pythagoras further asserted that earth, counter-earth, the planets, stars, moon and even the sun orbit around a central fire.

Over the centuries, the Antichthon may have mutated into a counter-earth on the other (read as inner) side of the earth not visible to us. The central fire simply becomes the central sun. Even modern science has now merely made the sun the central fire of our solar system but the same scheme is still there.

Among the oldest adherents of the Hollow Earth belief in the West are the Christians who believe there is a hell inside the earth. Whether they mangled Pythagoras’s or Ancient Egyptian beliefs or came up with this from another source is unknown. Buddhism also had a belief in a hell in the earth while a heavenly realm existed beyond the sky but this was not to be taken literally and was meant to demonstrate how different heavenly and hellish realms are. The Tibetans believe in a great subterranean city called Shamballah, the capital of the subterranean realm of Agharta. So Christians could have gotten the idea from Buddhism or both got it from an earlier source which could have been the Pythagorean Antichthon but would certainly both go back to Ancient Egypt. In the Navajo cosmology, the first humans came up to the surface of the earth from its interior although this doesn’t necessarily mean that the Navajo believe in a hollow earth (as far as I can determine, they don’t). There are also pre-Christian religions which have a cosmology that tell of a “World-Egg” that splits open (the Polynesian world-egg was, in fact, a coconut). From this egg emerges, depending on the religion, Mithras, Phanes, Maui and other mythological gods or heroes.

The Christian hollow earth that houses hell was borrowed by Dante, the poet of the damned, in his Divinia Commedia supposedly completed in 1321, the year of his death. The various layouts of Dante’s Inferno, most of them 15th and 16th century, resemble later layouts of the Hollow Earth rather strikingly.

By then, the idea of the earth’s interior being hell or the Underworld was losing some of its appeal. Others suspected that the interior might not be so bad after all.

In 1561, philosopher Guillaume Postel wrote in his Compendium Cosmographicum that Paradise was inaccessible to humanity because God had sealed it away under the North Pole. Twenty years later, Georg Braun stated something similar in his Urbium praecipuarum totius mundi.

In 1665, the Jesuit, Athanasius Kircher (1602-1680), informs us that there had been an English friar some three centuries earlier, one Bartholemaeus Anglicus, who held that the North Pole was a black rock with a circumference of 33 leagues. Four channels of the ocean’s waters are drawn to the North Pole to combine in a huge whirlpool. Kircher added, in his book Mundus Subterraneus, the earth was really a huge, living body. The North Pole was a huge whirlpool that took in the four channels from the Bering Strait, Greenland and Spitzbergen like a mouth. The waters spiral in and pass through the bowels of the earth as food and drink passes through the body. Some of it is turned to metals and crystals and like that. The waste is transported out the South Pole. The internal fires of the earth’s digestive tract, said Kircher sometimes manifest as volcanoes. The movements of the seas were a parallel of the circulation of the blood.

Thomas Burnet (1635-1715) wrote Telluris Theoria Sacra (Sacred Theory of the Earth) in 1681, which was based on 2 Peter 3:5-6, which states:

For this they are willingly ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water, Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.

In other words, Burnet believed that there were huge subterranean caverns filled with enough water to have caused Noah’s Flood. Originally, the earth was smooth as an egg and perfectly formed and arranged with an eternal springtime for a climate, but the Deluge, caused by nature not sin, flooded the earth and when the waters drained off to these underground chambers (which he identified with the “Fountains of the Deep” spoken of Genesis 7:11), the earth was left in a random, broken, pitted and scarred state such as we see today. Had men not ignored the truths of earth’s structure as revealed in the Bible he said – had they not been “willingly ignorant” – the Flood could have been avoided. This book became the most popular work on geology in the 17th century Europe.

Sir Edmund Halley, the discoverer of the famous comet that bears his name, while testing the directionality of earth’s magnetic field, noticed that it had a tendency to vary slightly. He could account for this variation no other way than to suppose that the earth’s magnetic field was a composite of several fields. In order to posit this, Halley had to first posit that the earth was composed of concentric hollow globes. Halley stated in a 1692 Royal Society publication that the earth had a hot core surrounded by three concentric hollow spheres. When these spheres shift, said Halley, the result is a polar shift. As primitive as Halley’s theory was, it served as the basis for more modern theories of pole shifts that involve the mesosphere slipping around inside the lithosphere. From that evolved the idea of plate tectonics.

Halley also believed that there was life inside the earth and that its atmosphere was a luminescent gas. Occasionally it seeps out through the poles where earth’s crust is thinnest (no polar openings in Halley’s system). We see this escaped luminescent gas as the aurora borealis.

In Switzerland, the great mathematician, Leonhard Euler (1707-1783), revised Halley’s theory by positing a single hollow globe with a central sun 600 miles across and with openings at the poles.

By 1721, a small novel was published in France, Passage du pôle arctique au pôle antarctique par le center du monde (Passage from the Arctic Pole to the Antarctic Pole Via the Center of the Earth), anonymously written, where an adventurer sails out of Amsterdam and runs afoul a storm that blows him unrelentingly north all the way to the Polar opening which turns out to be a whirlpool (apparently old Bartholemew the Angle and Athanasius Kircher were right). The sailor loses consciousness while he and his ship spiral down to the bowels of the earth. When he regains consciousness, the sailor finds himself in the Antarctic Ocean, he and ship still intact.

Other 18th century authors decided to make the Inner Earth a bit more temperate and pleasant. These include Chevalier de Mouhy with his 1737 novel, Lamékis, ou les voyages extraordinaires d’un Egyptien dans la Terre Intérieure (Lamekis, or the Extraordinary Voyages of an Egyptian in the Inner Earth). The Danes were quite intrigued with the 1741 work of their countryman Ludvig Baron von Holberg called Nicholas Klim.

In 1788, the famous lover, cynic and spy – Giovanni Jacopo Casanova – translated and/or wrote Icosameron. According to Casanova, there is an inner earth called the “protocosm” populated by beings called “megamicros.” They sometimes surface from deep wells and what not. They wear red coats and worship sharp-toothed reptiles with hypnotizing eyes.

With the rise of science and rationalism in the 18th century, the Hollow Earth Theory became a literal belief. Exactly what theories at that time were floating around is anyone’s guess. But we know that the 19th century brought us our first verifiable accounts of a belief in a hollow earth.
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