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xx Re: Who were the Nephilim?
« Reply #15 on: May 12th, 2010, 03:32am »

But luke skywalker was ficticios. Vader ar Anakin was good also in his youth. EVERY1 has the potential 2 be evil and anyway evil and good r relative 2 societies values and prejudices.
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« Reply #16 on: May 13th, 2010, 03:43am »

Nephilim: Translates to anything from "those who came down" to "the fallen ones" depending on the language being translated from. That's right, it's bi-lingual.

This is an extremely interesting subject, but leaves out the most important thing about the Nephilim.

That would be that we know about them from two sources as well as viewpoints. The ancient Sumerians were the first to mention the Nephilim. They always mentioned them reverently. To them they were an ancestral race, who was "like gods to us". That was how the Sumerians saw them. A couple of thousand years later the Nephilim turned up in ancient Hebrew texts. But this time they were an entity that Yahweh was not happy about their presence here.

Before anyone points out similarities between Sumerian and Hebrew texts, I'll take care of it. There might well be a reason for it. Abraham was supposed to have originally been a citizen of Ur, which would be a direct link.

So my personal take on the Nephilim? I think that they were definitely ETs. Just look at ancient Sumerian art and reliefs. It's loaded with little spaceship/starship looking objects. Besides, everything the Sumerians wrote states things that sound like that. grin grin
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« Reply #17 on: May 13th, 2010, 05:54am »

Mr. icepick, your post was interesting, however my research has a slight difference, the sumerians had the ANKI as the God like beings, and the NEPHILIM were the off-spring of the mix, between us and them, whether this was clinical or physical it was done, "when the sons of GOD fell from heaven and defiled them self with the daughters of men" this created the men of old, men of renown, heros and legends, men of great stature, giants, the watchers, it has also been written that the father of goliath was 1st generation NEPHILIM, ANOK, and every time they had children there size was smaller, until they were all mixed with all of us and all the same size, whats most amazing is the HUGH effort to keep this a secret, from Govt. cover-ups to religions killing the truth tellers, if you want to see the style of there buildings go to
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and click the mars icon, this is the truth,of our true ancestors they left us BIG megalithic buildings on planet Earth so the ones that lie and murder could not remove our true heritage from history, however this is not talked about or taught in school or in big church the book of ENOCH tells us stuff we never were told, this book is at most book stores and was found in the dead sea scrolls,
there is life every where in our solar system, we have been lied to all our lives, others have known this and not told the truth, the truth must be told, enjoy your ride and search for the truth, cause it is out there.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15th, 2010, 6:47pm »

You're correct of course, except I have had difficulty in determining if the Nephilim as offspring is both Hebrew & Sumerian, or strictly Hebrew.

Either way though, this wasn't exactly what I was driving at. My bad to I'm sure, all too often I'm not clear. My point is that to both groups the Nephilim are an ancestral race. But one group thought highly of them, while the other found them evil.

And when you come right down to it, were the Sumerians and the Hebrews different groups? Remember that 1.)Abraham was a citizen (or prince?) of Ur, and 2.) the Sumerians did a disappearing act just about five hundred years before the Exodus. This is a question that's difficult to resolve because it seems like the discussion always turns into an attack on the credibility of the Bible before everyone gets a chance to present their thoughts.

For once I'd like to see everyone put their feelings about the Bible aside and discuss the issue. There's some very interesting controversy regarding what happened to the Sumerians too. Plus they, and the Hebrews, have two of the oldest known forms of writing. I see a lot of interesting similarities here, albeit much is circumstantial. IMO we aren't going to see a lot of well defined information on this era anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15th, 2010, 8:17pm »

Mr. Icepick, I like your interest, it is refreshing, all will be unhidden, when we can see the Truth, the debate about ET being demonized or divine is a good one, I look at it this way, if they were evil, and wanted to hurt Humans, wouldn't this have been done already, reminds me of what Hawkings just said,"we might not want to try to contact ET's cause they might want to colonize and take resource's from this Planet" he is known as the smartest guy on the Planet, when I thought about what he said, I LOL this already has been done, he is a cleaver guy, there is also some debate about old written texts, Coptic, Gez, these may be just as old if not older then Hebrew, Sumerian. I am sure the US Military wants the Govt. to tell the truth, however this may slow down war, and there are some in power that make to much money at war, very dangerous subject, I call it truth-itis, terminal disease that strikes fast and in a few ways, death by fire, head cut off, stoned by many til dead, and crucified, the list goes on and on, anyway I think the old Bible was composed by Man, Demons are man made, hell is man made, did Jesus ever talk of these things, NO, religions are man made, what was handed to Moses is not man made, however Moses was not the only one to get these instructions, and the Hopi still have there's, so do the Seminole, and many other tribe's, all in Hebrew block text "binary code" I will look forward to your next post.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15th, 2010, 8:55pm »

Yes, I can agree with much of what you say. There is no way any of the governments in the know want their secrets revealed. Most of the Nazi technology we appropriated at the end of the Second World War went to White Sands, New Mexico. Which is close to the bulk of the UFO phenomenon isn't it? The implications are obvious IMO.

What Jesus said, most people simply do not get. Why I don't know, because it's simply mind over matter and the faith to believe that you can do it. What I get from it is basically that anybody is capable of fantastic feats. As long as one comes at it from a pure aspect and has faith they can do these things. Of course that also implies that there is a flip side, doesn't it? Sadly, it seems like more people of that type have gotten the message than those from the positive side. But that could simply be a side effect of bad things being more noticeable than good to many human beings.

Anyway, enough about that. Jesus was just making the distinction between organized religion and spirituality, wasn't he?

Back to the point, I think that if there are ETs who wish us ill, and I'm sure there are, they are kept in balance by those who don't. It's probably similar to the South Seas Islanders during WWII. The most remote of those received the harsh treatment you read about the Japanese Empire dealing out with their militaristic doctrine. And you read about what happened among those who encountered the allies. Entire religions sprang up because of all the free goods we gave them. But the main point here would be the question of whether or not they knew the difference? Their lives are pretty tough after all. I really don't know how the Japanese treated them, but while a lot of it was undoubtedly rough, they must have gotten some free stuff from them too. At least to start with, before we started sinking every Japanese ship in sight.

That's the best comparison I can think of where our ancestors thinking must have come from when they met up with ET. If it really was ET. There was enough time in every interglacial period to reach our level of sophistication between every ice age, so it might have been us. Just a thought.

Thanks for that link. I will check it out.
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xx Re: Who were the Nephilim?
« Reply #21 on: May 15th, 2010, 10:04pm »

<< Yes, I can agree with much of what you say. There is no way any of the governments in the know want their secrets revealed. Most of the Nazi technology we appropriated at the end of the Second World War went to White Sands, New Mexico. Which is close to the bulk of the UFO phenomenon isn't it? The implications are obvious IMO. >>>

There are also rumours that the Germans had a secret base near Brazil to which they sent many of their most secret projects. The pictures and reports of U Boats off Brazil as late as the 1960s lends credance to this theory. Some of the first reports of bell shaped UFOs came from South America.

<<< What Jesus said, most people simply do not get. Why I don't know, because it's simply mind over matter and the faith to believe that you can do it. What I get from it is basically that anybody is capable of fantastic feats. As long as one comes at it from a pure aspect and has faith they can do these things. Of course that also implies that there is a flip side, doesn't it? Sadly, it seems like more people of that type have gotten the message than those from the positive side. But that could simply be a side effect of bad things being more noticeable than good to many human beings.
Anyway, enough about that. Jesus was just making the distinction between organized religion and spirituality, wasn't he? >>>

The actual teachings of the man we call Jesus are unclear. Of the thousands of writings from the era only the 27 books selected for Constantine's Bible are well known. And these have been edited heavily to reflect church doctrine.
Many believe that Jesus was a reformer, not unlike Martin Luther, who just wanted to open the Hebrew church to non Jews and correct what he saw as improper conduct among the church leaders.

<<< Back to the point, I think that if there are ETs who wish us ill, and I'm sure there are, they are kept in balance by those who don't. >>>

Which begs the question, why? It has been argued long and hard that there is nothing special about our world. We have nothing among our known resources
that sets us apart so why would any race try to protect the planet? Unless the value of the planet isn't the planet but that which lives on it. We may have survived only because this world is so un-special. Or because we, ourselves are somehow valuable.

<<< It's probably similar to the South Seas Islanders during WWII. The most remote of those received the harsh treatment you read about the Japanese Empire dealing out with their militaristic doctrine. And you read about what happened among those who encountered the allies. Entire religions sprang up because of all the free goods we gave them. But the main point here would be the question of whether or not they knew the difference? Their lives are pretty tough after all. I really don't know how the Japanese treated them, but while a lot of it was undoubtedly rough, they must have gotten some free stuff from them too. At least to start with, before we started sinking every Japanese ship in sight.

That's the best comparison I can think of where our ancestors thinking must have come from when they met up with ET. If it really was ET. There was enough time in every interglacial period to reach our level of sophistication between every ice age, so it might have been us. Just a thought >>>

Keep in mind that one who has never seen a TV doesn't miss them. The natives you speak of knew their lives as they had always been. They didn't know a better life existed.
The sudden arrival of the armies, from both sides, showed them a world far different than any they could imagine. While there were cults that arose after the war the more lasting effect was that every culture that existed on every island visited was destroyed and it's future forever changed. The knowledge of lands far beyond the edge of the sky was forever after a part of their awareness.
And with that came a hunger for the trappings of that world.
IF, and it is still an IF, ETs have directly interacted with man over the history of man, we could expect to see traces of the same kind of cults and yearnings.
And many would argue that we do.
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« Reply #22 on: May 16th, 2010, 03:44am »

The actual teachings of the man we call Jesus are unclear. Of the thousands of writings from the era only the 27 books selected for Constantine's Bible are well known. And these have been edited heavily to reflect church doctrine.
Many believe that Jesus was a reformer, not unlike Martin Luther, who just wanted to open the Hebrew church to non Jews and correct what he saw as improper conduct among the church leaders.
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What Jesus said was quite clear. But you're right about everyone else trying to confuse the issue. Constantine most likely was nothing more than somebody taking his shot at becoming emporer who suddenly figured out an excellent way to control a crumbling empire. As for the censorship of the canons? Yes, there was a lot of that going on as well. Maybe I should say that what Jesus said was perfectly clear so long as one takes the time to read all of the material?

Now, the Nazis. Yes, they have multiple bases/reserves/rancheros or whatever you wish to call them all over South America. Some of the top people from their research programs disappeared just before the war ended, and they've never been heard from since as far as we know.

I do believe the US Government got far more of their technology than we know of, but the remainder of it probably wound up exactly where you imply. In South America.

Now, why would there be factions "fighting" over the Earth you ask? I'm guessing that we wouldn't be in a position to know this. First of all, we really wouldn't know whether or not this planet has a special resource since we've never been off this rock. But I think we can safely assume that our mineral base would be more intact than that from a planet that hosts a superior civilization. So it could be that possibly.

Or, as you state, maybe it's what's living here. The concept that we might be the result of an ancient alien colonization is very valid in my opinion. If that happens to be the case, might there possibly be multiple factions competing for this colony? Much like what the old European empires did all around the globe for centuries? I realize that it's a depressing thought that these things never change, but it is a distinct possibility.

And keep in mind that I'm in the dark as much as anybody. I might have done my share of research, and put a lot of thought into my ideas, but they're still just guesswork.

Which brings me to your final point. You made a really good one here by the way. Because one never knows that they are missing something if they've never experienced it. Most of what we exposed those islanders to was canned food most likely. I'm sure you've heard about that one group somewhere in Polynesia that worships the American Flag? Well, my point here is that the reason they worship planes, flags or whatever, trying to get the armies to come back is so they can get more canned goods. It takes something one needs to make them desire more. But that was your point, wasn't it? I was just taking a shot at trying to figure out how our ancestors might have felt when, and if, they made contact.

However, I'm sure they did make contact with somebody. Aren't you? But do you think that the Nephilim really was their offspring? I have a tendency to say yes, but I believe that the 'giant' part, meant giants of intellect. I don't know why, call it a hunch. As well as reading too many things like this:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/esp_mohenjo_daro_1.htm#atomic_bomb
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« Reply #23 on: May 16th, 2010, 09:40am »

Mr. Icepick, You know how things can be, to claim, this, that, the other, if, when, how, WHY, is what thinkers, like you and I do, I have pondered many things, for many minutes, I like to imagine the impossible, just in case, that what we see, is only what we can see, I do like the canned food, "perfect" I am writing a book "GET ON THE RIGHT BUS" it might not make it to print, I need people like you, to help, by pointing out all possibility's, so we all might ascertain the truth, the book is not for my personal gains, as you know, not the way of the light, for all to be all, happiness is granted to those who put others first, collective SUPER COLOSSAL thoughts are our only true power to reach, what I like to call success, you know, to be like us, to be all mighty with GOD, one of my hero's is big daddy Don Garlitts for him GOD is love, he has it painted on all his wonderful machines he built, one of my theory's was aided by the far east tradition VEDIC, and from MERKABAH about the "binary code" and how it should work in all language's, just different from the TORA and TELMUND, first you need to understand the symbolic meaning of numbers, 1-10, 11,12,13, are very esoteric, GEN: 1.1 = 430 4+3+0=7 in English 123=abc, in Hebrew the impossible happens, the 7 is by far outside the box of what is comprehensible, these ideas push the level of understanding, never ever imagined by Humans in the past, can't change what has happened, I think we need to look at what could be, my thoughts of what may have happened back then, is, there has been many here before adam and eve and they were more advanced in things only a few understand today, I feel we are part of something SUPER COLOSSAL and we only see, what we can see, more need to trust there feelings and get in touch with the unseen fields all around us, I want to help, don't youhuh
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« Reply #24 on: May 16th, 2010, 8:50pm »

Of course I want to help. But you have to watch out around me, I have some pretty controversial beliefs. For example, Adam & Eve? Probably the first Hebrews/Jews. People? No!

You already know that I suspect the Sumerians left Mesopotamia for Egypt where they reappeared as the Hebrews. As well as being absolutely positive that Nazca was some kind of prehistoric airport or something. I mean, why else would somebody abscond with a couple of complete mountaintops? And make no mistake, somebody did remove them. All of the other mountains there have their peaks. There's also another spot not far from Mexico City where the same condition exists.

Yep! Most people would say I'm out there, but I disagree. Unless somebody can explain a few things .......

The number seven is absolute nirvana to the ancient Hebrews. No doubt about that.

Big Daddy. Man, that's been a while. Takes me back to the days when I used to worship my car(s). I remember turning a 10.92 with a 145 MPH trap speed one Friday Night at the Rockingham grudge drags. I think that comes under the glory days heading though. Plus I've long since grown up. I was never fortunate enough to be good like Garlitts. Or at least never had the sponsor.

But about that binary code you refer to? Binary is all about twos. It's a base two system. Trust me, I have a couple of IT degrees. Three actually. Computer Science, Systems Analyst, and Programming.

Most of the numbers you referred to are primes. Very special numbers, those. It's hard to say whether seven or thirteen is more important in the prime scheme of things. Thirty-one is right up there too. All three of those are very isolated. And you can isolate real quick using them. Especially in a program.

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I am pretty sure jews happened a long time after adam and eve. Wasn't Abraham the first jew? I am not too up on that. Anyways ask me a few nephilim questions if you want. I consider myself one and I talk to fallen angels on a frequent to infreqent basis. I am interested in the number 60 as added my name birtdate and time born and came up with that number.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17th, 2010, 06:40am »

DEAD SEA SCROLLS TEXTS

The Book of Giants

http://www.gnosis.org/library/dss/dss_book_of_giants.htm

Btw I read that Abraham was descended from the giants.

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« Reply #27 on: May 18th, 2010, 4:46pm »

Brantcoyle, I have something of interest, my single number is 6 also, I did the numbers on the term in the Bible, "SONS OF GOD" it worked out to, 114=1+1+4=6, here are some that work out to,7, EARTH=52,5+2=7, Jesus=74 Christ=77, 74+77=151,1+5+1=7, ALL MIGHTY GOD=133,1+3+3=7, some might not know this word, METATRON=106,1+0+6=7, I am doing a experiment with the Bible and math it is so AMAZING, and if you really do mingle with them, ask if Amazarac, can teach me some energy secrets, like, harmonic unified magnetic fields, I will only use this for the betterment of all, no personal wealth I seek... ... ... ... .
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Hi Brantcoyle:

Yes, Abraham was the father of the Israelites. He was also a citizen of Ur, and I believe he was a Sumerian prince as well. This is where my Hebrew-Sumerian connection kicks in.

But for the others speaking about Adam & Eve, have you ever read the line in Genesis where Cain went off to the Land of Nod to be married BECAUSE THERE WAS PEOPLE THERE? So much for Adam & Eve as the first humans. Somebody got some wires crossed somewhere. Where people continually get crossed up with The Bible, is that they forget it was written by human hand, not devine. And much is made about the imperfection of humans, isn't there?

I am from the Bible Belt, but I was fortunate enough to read the book at age 18, having never attended church. I found it downright shocking how much different key parts read than popular belief states. What is really interesting is how hard it was to locate the exact verses after discussing it with somebody supposedly in the know, although we finally did. That's how easy it is to corrupt/mislead a person's mind.
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« Reply #29 on: May 19th, 2010, 05:52am »

Mr. Icepick, I am the same wave of thought with you, on adam and eve, I was forced to go to Bible class at 13, and the ones there did not like my questions, one of my big ones was, how do they live so long, and why don,t we here more from Enoch, I thought he had SUPER sperm or something, and how could a serpent get eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, Exodus was a BIG question for me, for a very long time, I thought this story was just that, a story to teach people discipline, then I looked into the KOLBRIN, the Egyptian record of this event, anyway you are right, the hand of man authored the Bible, what is your take on the code, I was wrong to use binary, I don't have a PHD or any schooling like you, what would be the correct term to define the codehuh and is it possiblehuh or do you believe in coincidence, I feel, everything happens for a reason, and only a few get to see what is going on right in front of them. Samyasa and all the others had said Enoch will return at the end of time/age, this would be cool and we get to watch.
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