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« Reply #30 on: May 19th, 2010, 08:16am »

on May 13th, 2010, 03:43am, icepick wrote:
Nephilim: Translates to anything from "those who came down" to "the fallen ones" depending on the language being translated from. That's right, it's bi-lingual.

This is an extremely interesting subject, but leaves out the most important thing about the Nephilim.

That would be that we know about them from two sources as well as viewpoints. The ancient Sumerians were the first to mention the Nephilim. They always mentioned them reverently. To them they were an ancestral race, who was "like gods to us". That was how the Sumerians saw them. A couple of thousand years later the Nephilim turned up in ancient Hebrew texts. But this time they were an entity that Yahweh was not happy about their presence here.

Before anyone points out similarities between Sumerian and Hebrew texts, I'll take care of it. There might well be a reason for it. Abraham was supposed to have originally been a citizen of Ur, which would be a direct link.

So my personal take on the Nephilim? I think that they were definitely ETs. Just look at ancient Sumerian art and reliefs. It's loaded with little spaceship/starship looking objects. Besides, everything the Sumerians wrote states things that sound like that. grin grin


I agree with you, Ice. Even the Hebrew God Yahweh does not come across as an omni-present, all wise and knowing eternal "god", but rather one possessed of far more human qualities! The Hebrew God has "favorites" (!), takes sides, etc! More than likely most of the deified players in the ancient texts such as the Bible were all references to E.T.'s of some sort, who, with their advanced technology and amazing feats would have, of necessity, appeared "god-like" to the civilizatons present on the earth at the time. Likewise, isolated primitive tribes viewing an airplane and its inhabitants for the first time in the here and now would fall to the ground quaking in awe and fear, and deam the inexplicable visitors gods from heaven. It's pretty obvious to me that there have been more than one race of E.T.'s visiting this planet and interfering in humankind's development over the centuries. There are some who believe the man Jesus was fathered by a Pleiadian, most likely by means of genetic manipulation and/or embryo implantation and that the "angel" who spoke to Mary was none other than a Pleiadian cosmonaut. If you read the words attributed to Jesus in the Bible, much of them sound suspiciously like references to just such a scenario. I can think of several. This is not to criticize anyone's religious beliefs, of course. Jesus being part Pleiadian would not negate his teachings in any way to my way of thinking smiley But it is interesting that the angels in the Bible had physical form and physical needs, such as food, shelter, etc. That doesn't sound like angels as we define them today, but more like a race from another world making its presence known to us. Today's angels could well be that very same thing, for just as we have evolved as a species, we would expect them to have also. Perhaps those we refer to as angels in modern times are the modern day ancestors of the E.T. visitors of old, their spiritual accomplishements having advanced over the years. Who could know??
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« Reply #31 on: May 20th, 2010, 12:26am »

You're very right Seeker. There are a few things we know about Yaweh from the texts. He probably looks just about like us, and a few lucky humans in early history probably got to have some one on one conversations with him. It would be kind of cool to have a tad of a glimpse of the master plan, wouldn't it?

We also know that he appears to be the only one of the powerful ones that is on our side. Beyond that, maybe you have further insight, but mine gets just a bit hazy. I'm not the least bit embarrassed to acknowledge my lacking intellect here.

Jesus? Yes, it really wouldn't matter, would it? He delivered unto us some of the best wisdom we could ever dream of. Isn't it amazing how simple it all was? And yet it makes perfect sense. I don't know why so many people have a problem with the message of The Bible. All it really tells us to do is treat everybody else like we wish to be treated ourselves. Can you think of a better philosophy to live by?

I have noticed that some ancient cultures followed deities, or ETs possibly as you state, that didn't seem so benign. I was going to use the word 'good' there, but it sort of fails to cover the scope of things if you know what I mean. I've tried very hard throughout the years to determine what might drive some of these ETs to try and take us in ways that are obviously nasty, and have always failed. I just can't figure out what makes us worth the effort. Do you have any personal insight in this area?
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« Reply #32 on: May 20th, 2010, 06:12am »

hope you don't mind if I jump in, could it be simple, could it be that there are GOOD ET's and Evil ET's, and they are working very hard for the Human soul, like, the more to be all mighty, I think we may not be Humans on a spiritual journey, but spiritual beings stuck in a Human journey, like a test on the soul, so it is clear on what side we take, this is very clear to me, but not for all to see, I did the math on "NOD" 14+15+4=33, 3+3=6 "MAYAN" = 54, 5+4=9, "ELECT"=45, 4+5=9 "ENOCH"=45 4+5=9, I find these numbers of great importance, or maybe I am just NUTS=74, or maybe a 'LUNATIC" =80, anyway this subject is very interesting
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« Reply #33 on: May 20th, 2010, 6:27pm »

Yeah, we all seem to get that out of this, don't we? And like we were discussing here, Yahweh has always been the only one who definitely seems to be on our side. It seems like the remainder, even the benign ones, have baggage/conditions attached, doesn't it?

I also have always had this gut feeling that even those we'd be suspicious of has no problem with injecting a little technology when we get stuck. Maybe that's just me, but I don't think so. Makes one wonder what is going on, doesn't it?

I couldn't agree with you more. One extremely interesting piece of subject matter here. Wouldn't you just love to spend a day ripping through the Project Blue Book files?

I'd love to see some of the MKULTRA stuff too, but that's probably much scarier.
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« Reply #34 on: May 20th, 2010, 7:18pm »

Mr. Icepick, allot of this principle data is out, if you think John Lear is credible, I warn you this youtube video is not for the weak, and I think he has been allowed to talk, if you just want images dark mission .net has good images, however Richard C Hoagland has a strange cult phobia, John Lear has very disturbing info and video, ENJOY THE RIDE
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« Reply #35 on: May 21st, 2010, 06:43am »

Did you know that Moses, was not the only one handed commandments from above, ever wonder who the 24 elders are, how about the 12 tribes of IS-RA-EL, wanna see what some of them look like, this video is AMAZING
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Hopi say they will not show there stone, until the spirit men come back, the ones who came from the sky, there is also a FEDERAL law against the Hopi, stopping them from practicing there own religion in there own home land, public law 93-531 (title 50 part 22 of the code) what happened to separation of Church and State
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« Reply #36 on: May 22nd, 2010, 10:24pm »

Unfortunately, the video I would have been most interested in, Yahweh & Hopi associated, is no longer available for some reason.

The Lear piece I'm familiar with.

I haven't been all the way through the Dark Mission piece yet, but I'd probably best bring a couple of things up now. And I realized this as soon as I heard the word math.

I've read the piece where they insinuate Planet X is supposed to return in 2012, and they had to do some 'strange' math to make things work out that way. By strange, I mean that they had to seriously bend some of the rules of math to make it work out like that. Even Paul Dirac would have been mystified by their techniques.

Also, I have a hard time finding the idea of a planet with that much of an elliptical orbit(more like a parabola) harboring a life form that could survive on our planet under any circumstances.

But before it sounds like I'm raining all over everything, allow me to restore some credibility to the Nibiru hypothesis for skeptics on the subject like myself. The source for that idea, the Sumerians, were not exactly the most advanced civilization we ever had, so they may have misinterpreted something that they were told. Plus, as our longest standing civilization to date (possibly more than 5,000 years but 4,000 for sure I think) they would have been around long enough to see this happen twice. There are objects in the solar system possessing orbits like that which are well documented, and we both know what they are. And the largest comets do have long term orbits, don't they?

Might the Sumerians have gotten a warning about something like this and misinterpreted it as being the home planet of the species delivering the warning? Do you remember Shoemaker-Levy and how it demonstrated how things work when two bodies get their orbits intertwined? I don't mean to turn this into a doom & gloom piece, but this concept works best for me. Plus it allows me to keep the alien visitor concept consistent with the stars in Orion, which is where just about all of the tales of the ancients tend to locate the visitors home at.

And now I'll return and finish checking that site out. I've long since realized that the American Government knows far more than they're telling us. After all, we're only citizens, right? I'm sure those folks have something positive to say back there.

Just wanted to give you some food for thought about planet x. But don't be surprised if it doesn't show in two years, because that isn't the original timetable. And I'll give you my take on their thesis about what the government is hiding later. I definitely don't expect Uncle Sam to ever come clean on the subject. Do you?
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« Reply #37 on: May 23rd, 2010, 12:45am »

Mr. Icepick, Thank you for your insight, what ever is disclosed from our Government, it will be highly sanitized and very soft, unless they have problems with the ones who control the monetary and things go south, I can see more data come out then, I have been waiting so long for this to be opened. We could use some rain here in FLA, I am a big skeptic when it comes to the DESTROYER, I will, only believe what I want, so I started taking pics of our sun, I am catching something that no one has been able to id. I have imaged it 5 days in a row early april 2010, so to me, it ain't one of our Planets, I hope it is some kind of image anomaly, and I don't care what it is, unless it gets bigger, so I will be taking pics of our Sun about once a month, just in case.
The best images "UNTOUCHED" that I have seen from early on 1950's and up to, the Soviet's landing on the Moon in 1966 and there missions after, were Amazing, best image of the SHARD I have ever seen, the SHARD is made of glass, and 1.5 mile high obelisk, go to
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interesting site has Tesla stuff, and Soviet moon images go to luna 9 1966 panaram's you can zoom in a bit, the tower castle was blurred and cropped out after, the later images with their rover also shows something AMAZING, it looks like the rover drives up to a very very high shear wall, it is hard to make that one out.
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« Reply #38 on: May 25th, 2010, 9:02pm »

Hi MOKSHA;

Sorry about the late response. I'm kind of a sick pup these days (advanced case of P.A.D.), so I'm sidelined at times.

For that reason, I steer clear of the pure speculation taking place these days. They hurt this cause for one reason. I'm sure you will agree that some of them get "out there" quite a ways at times? And, as I'm sure you will also agree, there is simply too much credible proof floating around these days. It is, however, very sad that some of the best evidence to be had occurred at the dawn of recorded history. I'd like to see a bit more today, wouldn't you?

I just watched a History Channel piece that spoke of the Vatican's 2008 statement that belief in life on other planets does not negate a belief in God, and that prompted this post.

Why? Because in my humble opinion, a belief in God REQUIRES a belief on other planets. It's quite simple really. If you were an omnipotent being capable of creating an entire universe, would you create just one green Earth? OF COURSE NOT! To believe any different would be selling the big guy short, would it not?

Stuff you find like Dark Mission has a problem. Any time you try to show that you've figured everything out, you put yourself in the unenviable position of having to explain away every little detail. That's a bad move when you're operating in the world (excuse me, universe) of speculation. There is simply too much good information out there to resort to that. Take one of those unexplainable issues and toss it to today's scientists so they can look like an idiot.

I've always felt that anybody can achieve a high enough IQ that ALL of that advanced learning isn't necessary. Of course with the IQ score I was able to achieve once, I can afford to say that. But the belief is genuine. Anybody capable of developing their memory to a higher level can post a high IQ score. Some of the advanced learning is necessary of course, but not all. The human mind is a wonderful thing, capable of miraculous things. The reason that TV show prompted me to post this is who told us this is possible. None other than Jesus, wasn't it?

But my belief tells me that the ETs are just an advanced form of our level. There is a higher level of consciousness out there, and I must concede that some of the ETs are probably a part of that group.

I see us as a species at a crossroads. Whether or not we fulfill our promise is up to us. And we should try very hard to achieve that promise. If we don't, we're letting somebody down. I also happen to believe that another group of the ETs are there to insure that we do. The only problem is to figure out who comes from which group, isn't it?
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« Reply #39 on: May 25th, 2010, 9:05pm »

An error in my above post. A belief in God REQUIRES a belief in "LIFE ON" other planets.

Sorry about that. Like I said, I'm ill. Please point out any other hard to understand sentences like that. embarassed
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« Reply #40 on: May 25th, 2010, 11:32pm »

Now for the more difficult piece to address. I'm sure that you're aware that the American Government has a thorough record of everything Tesla ever did? Well, if you can believe the reports, which I do BTW, when Tesla died Uncle Sam was first on the scene, and his papers mysteriously disappeared for an unspecified length of time. Probably just long enough to copy them IMO.

Ever wonder how many volumes those papers consumed? I've read that he occupied two hotel suites (small ones), and I'm leaning towards one suite minimum for the papers alone.

It's a given that they stole his work. The guy did some amazing stuff. For example, he showed up at a model boat show type of thing in the 1890s, and had a RC unit to control his boat with. What? You didn't think the boy was going to let anybody do a one-up on him did you? grin

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the bulk of Einstein's work we've managed to put to use was because of Tesla's experiments. The only two people that seemed to even vaguely understand Albert's theories were Tesla, Dirac, Bohrs, Schroedinger, and Rosen. Beyond that group, I'm not sure who else had a clue.

Oh. Except for one person you might have never heard of. There's a guy named R.J. Gott out there who solved Einstein's equations pertaining to time travel. Have you heard of him? Kind of strange how the most brilliant minds in the last half of the twentieth century seem to wind up shelved, isn't it? Fortunate for us that Alcubierre is Mexican, or we might not be aware that the warp drive has been solved either.

That's about as far as I'm able to take the Tesla issue. Or anybody else either. Ever hear of him in high school? I'm certain that there's a faction that wants it that way. But at some point in the future, don't be surprised if time & interstellar travel becomes a reality. On the backs of the research of Tesla and Gott.

If you aren't aware of the guy, add R.J. Gott to your 'watch list'. He's in the same league as Tesla, and receiving the same treatment.
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« Reply #41 on: May 26th, 2010, 06:31am »

Mr. Icepick, I hope you feel better real soon. I am with you about Tesla, and all the other thoughts you have, and thank you for the names of other important men that care about whats to be, cause its clear our Govt. don't care about us.
Ed Leedskalnin, the builder of the Coral Castle did some cool stuff with his magnetic energy generator and his transmitter, a Apollo 11 guy, is helping me with my book, sorry I can't say more about him but he was paid by three very large corp. to figure out how Ed did what he did, he told me the only thing he figured out was the transmitter sent a signal so perfect it traveled around the entire Planet and has yet been matched, here is a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDQ1CAnmiYE&NR=1&feature=fvwp
there are more to watch then just this one
I have always been interested in the Moon and the lines that used to show up in older images, then NASA started removing them from their images, I want to read the book "THIS NEW OCEAN"
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I think time travel may have already been done, I think that, "harmonic unified magnetic fields" hold the keys to so much, it could fix, so many of the problems we have, that the very wealthy elite would have no more power over the masses, so they stomp on any who gets close.
I also watched that History channel piece on the Vatican, what I also know, that was not mentioned, they have around 9,000 plus books never seen by most people, they have security like fort
Knox, and they are a Country with special immunity.
I think some people are way ahead of the powers to be and this is where we can find peace and harmony with the resonate frequency of our Planet and with what ever is above, this is in all of us, and can be accessed.
I wish, I could will, the Venus project in to action, ck it out it is thinking of the future, for all, very good ideas.
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« Reply #42 on: May 26th, 2010, 12:10pm »

I hang in there.

The cool thing about Gott is that he's a normal science guy, just like Tesla was. His field/discipline is Quantum Mechanics. What he did was to actually sit down and solve those equations, which means that he's a cut above most.

Someday we'll have the next Einstein. Just so whoever it turns out to be puts it down on paper instead of up in a pipe ...........

The Coral Castle is fascinating. He might even have been privy to the secrets of the pyramids eh? Even though I firmly believe the builders had help, and I have my doubts about the builders being Egyptian, I've always believed a lot of those secrets were simple, outside the box techniques. Not all mind you, just some. There's that issue about the number of stones moved of course. And then there is the biggie. That a number of scientists are beginning to believe that the pyramids pre-date the Egyptians. If scientists are starting to think that, then they must have access to something good we don't know about yet. You can't get those guys to change their minds with dynamite it seems.

As for the Vatican, I've always felt that they keep way, way, way too much good information under lock and key. And I've found myself having to apologize to more than one Catholic because I mouthed off about how I feel about it. It isn't just their Dark Ages stuff that bothers me either. They have all kinds of stuff. I'm certain that they're hoarding a lot of information about the early Germanic Tribes we'd like to know. Much weirdness to be had right there, and everything pre-Charlemagne we're at zip for knowledge of. I think that they're probably the elite of the people who came out of the Steppes, but I'm not certain. They might go all the way back to those Aryans who came out of the Indus Valley in who knows what era. If they had a nuclear war, it's about 12,000 BC. If they didn't have a nuclear war it's 1,200 BC. But the record certainly implies nuclear war, doesn't it?
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You're very right Seeker. There are a few things we know about Yaweh from the texts. He probably looks just about like us, and a few lucky humans in early history probably got to have some one on one conversations with him. It would be kind of cool to have a tad of a glimpse of the master plan, wouldn't it?

We also know that he appears to be the only one of the powerful ones that is on our side. Beyond that, maybe you have further insight, but mine gets just a bit hazy. I'm not the least bit embarrassed to acknowledge my lacking intellect here.

Jesus? Yes, it really wouldn't matter, would it? He delivered unto us some of the best wisdom we could ever dream of. Isn't it amazing how simple it all was? And yet it makes perfect sense. I don't know why so many people have a problem with the message of The Bible. All it really tells us to do is treat everybody else like we wish to be treated ourselves. Can you think of a better philosophy to live by?

I have noticed that some ancient cultures followed deities, or ETs possibly as you state, that didn't seem so benign. I was going to use the word 'good' there, but it sort of fails to cover the scope of things if you know what I mean. I've tried very hard throughout the years to determine what might drive some of these ETs to try and take us in ways that are obviously nasty, and have always failed. I just can't figure out what makes us worth the effort. Do you have any personal insight in this area?


I can only express my personal opinion of course, but I have it on good authority that the E.T.'s who are interested in us have two very different reasons for their interest. One is interest from a dying race that needs our genetic material to revitalize it. That would be the ubiquitious grays. The other is a highly evolved spiritual race that has in fact been here from the beginning and may very well be our distant ancestors. They apparently consider themselves our brothers and sisters and are extending the hand of friendship in order to give us a leg-up (i.e., assistance) in our spiritual development. I have some experience with the latter... none what-so-ever with the former.
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« Reply #44 on: May 26th, 2010, 10:27pm »

I don't have any experience with either, but the spiritual group fits right into my idea of several classes around this planet. One which like you say has ulterior motives, another that's on our level I guess, and yet another which is much higher and could very well have created the whole thing.

That's just my hunch. Kind of a gut feeling. And yes, I'm assuming the ones who think we're 'family' are quite similar to us? Like we could be a colony or something?
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