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« Reply #75 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 3:23pm »

You've got a point there MOKSHA. The correct statement would have said something like first in the history that we are familiar with.

I went against my own philosophy there. I've never found it believable that humans, being capable of developing from stone age to space age in 6,000 years, would have been content to play jump up and down he-man games around the campfire for tens of thousands of years. How about yourself?

In fact, there was ample time for roughly the same development to have taken place between the end of the last ice age and the Younger Dryas Event. Which easily could have wiped out that advancement.
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« Reply #76 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 5:42pm »

on Jun 22nd, 2010, 8:51pm, icepick wrote:
Okay Seeker, if three posts turn up? I screwed up royal. grin

I wasn't aware any group had taken the name/label "watchers". Interesting. As far as they're being assigned goes though, I'm thinking more of a yikes moment. I take it you're aware who the watchers were supposed to be?

The Sumerians were an interesting group too. All of those star ships in their art, and possibly aliens as well. I'm not sold on who a certain individual claims the Annunaki were though. I'm more inclined to believe the Sirius connection of the Dogons. No way they knew that companion star was there, is there?

And then there is the Mayans. A bunch of human sacrificing jungle dwellers who thought the sun went to the underworld after it set at night who just happened to figure out where the center of the galaxy is? Riiigggggghhhhhhhtttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somebody been talking to our ancient races, don't you think?


I sure do, Icepick! And if Betty is right in her summation of the E.T.'s that took her again and again over such long period of time (and her daughter Becky, as well!) being "angels" (the word simply means messengers!) on a mission from God, All That Is, Creation with a capital "c", or Divine Oneness... whichever term you are most comfortable with!... then they most certainly have out best interests at heart. I must say even with all the times Betty was taken, the "Watchers", as they call themselves, never harmed her, and in fact they seemed hell bent on teaching/showing her some very amazing metaphysical and spiritual characteristics... including a place in which she (and all the other beings on the ship, both human and alien), were outside their physical bodies, possessed of sentience and consciousness and moving about in their light bodies...! Have you actually read the book about her experiences called The Watchers, by Raymond Fowler? If not, I strongly suggest you do so... fascinating! And very, very difficult to discount when you line up all the facts of the case. Read it and see if you don't agree!
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« Reply #77 on: Jun 26th, 2010, 8:38pm »

I've never heard of it, but I'll ask my local bookstore if they can spot it. I'm not one that needs to be convinced that people on this rock have been contacted. Although I do take it on a one by one basis. Some people have ulterior motives (and poor levels of honesty. Bad for people like us).

The point where Eric and I part company is that I believe both extraterrestial as well as divine contact has been made with people of this planet. Discerning between the two can be difficult (and it's entirely possible that more than one entry in the Bible might have it wrong). But messing up on this issue is understandable where ancient peoples are concerned. When you don't understand what you're seeing, and it's so amazing ........ well, I'm sure you understand, right?

The only people I have a real issue with are the debunkers. Skeptics are all right. In fact, skepticism is good. But the debunkers exist simply to disagree with everything. In my way of thinking, you do have to be reasonable. Know what I mean?

The one group of unknowns that I find truly intriguing would be the Nephilim though. So little is written about them, but what is implied in that meager bunch of entries is downright amazing. It's hard to figure exactly. But you get a huge clue when the Sumerians said that they "were like gods to them". That can only mean about one thing, can't it? Powers of a supernatural nature. Yes, I'm thinking that humans of any era would figure out what was up when watching somebody use technology enough times. And they watched these folks for a very long time.

One other thing that gets me though. Their people who descended from the skies to help them were called the Annunaki. Not the Nephilim. Now, what does that make you think?
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« Reply #78 on: Jun 27th, 2010, 11:05pm »

Mr. Icepick, I do agree with you on almost all of what you have posted, the jump we humans made seams AMAZING, what I have pondered is why we only use a very small part of our brain, its like we are being held back, maybe we can only see, what we are allowed to see, maybe until a time we show we won't destroy everything.
My perspective about NEPHILIM comes from what has been written, from the Bible, Enoch, and all the others"KOLBRIN"
Sumerian, being SUPER AMAZING,
they were the offspring from the fallen ones, who were suppose to do what they did, but they stayed to long and left their domain, and they were cast down, for their error, and they may still walk among us, and it is possible that we all have this mix, I do realize I maybe wrong, but to take a stance on something we do not understand, is like you said, with out reason.
I am very glad to be involved with this subject.
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« Reply #79 on: Jun 30th, 2010, 6:58pm »

Indeed. It is quite the subject. This subject intrigues me above all others as well. I have always been most curious about exactly who these Nephilim might have been. I am positive that they really existed. And as you say, they may still exist. I don't remember anything in the Bible or any of the other books that said they were outright exterminated after all.

Since we don't really know of any pre-Sumerian written records (at least not that were written in those days), we have absolutely nowhere to turn for information. The only possibility is the Vedas, but they were reproduced at a much later date. I've always hoped that 'someday we will come across a ziggurat somewhere that's loaded with material. Or maybe find some hieroglyphics on the Yonaguni stuff or something like that. Anything for a bit of earlier information.
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« Reply #80 on: Jul 1st, 2010, 5:37pm »

Mr. Icepick, Sir, the possibility of the Nephilim, being here still, makes me wonder, are the, cast-down, more then we thought, and are, able, to do the unimaginable, the impossible to our understandinghuh
I think about the uncertainly principle, and wonder if and how they might be connected.
Also my Apollo 11 friend sent me some cool data, near the end of August Mars will be so close to Earth, it will seam to be the exact same size as a full Moon, for almost a week, between 11:00 PM and 3 AM, it will be like the Moon turned blood red, this only happens once every 25,000 years approx.
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« Reply #81 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 03:08am »

Your thoughts about the Nephilim, if the stories about them are indeed accurate, would paint a very unnerving situation at the very least. Think about it. Men of old, men of reknown .......... what exactly was meant by that? Keep in mind what men were respected for in those days before answering. Things like war, and power, the ability to maintain control (over others), etc, etc.

I hadn't known that about Mars. I'll be watching. Thanks.
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« Reply #82 on: Jul 4th, 2010, 09:02am »

on Jun 26th, 2010, 8:38pm, icepick wrote:
I've never heard of it, but I'll ask my local bookstore if they can spot it. I'm not one that needs to be convinced that people on this rock have been contacted. Although I do take it on a one by one basis. Some people have ulterior motives (and poor levels of honesty. Bad for people like us).

The point where Eric and I part company is that I believe both extraterrestial as well as divine contact has been made with people of this planet. Discerning between the two can be difficult (and it's entirely possible that more than one entry in the Bible might have it wrong). But messing up on this issue is understandable where ancient peoples are concerned. When you don't understand what you're seeing, and it's so amazing ........ well, I'm sure you understand, right?

The only people I have a real issue with are the debunkers. Skeptics are all right. In fact, skepticism is good. But the debunkers exist simply to disagree with everything. In my way of thinking, you do have to be reasonable. Know what I mean?

The one group of unknowns that I find truly intriguing would be the Nephilim though. So little is written about them, but what is implied in that meager bunch of entries is downright amazing. It's hard to figure exactly. But you get a huge clue when the Sumerians said that they "were like gods to them". That can only mean about one thing, can't it? Powers of a supernatural nature. Yes, I'm thinking that humans of any era would figure out what was up when watching somebody use technology enough times. And they watched these folks for a very long time.

One other thing that gets me though. Their people who descended from the skies to help them were called the Annunaki. Not the Nephilim. Now, what does that make you think?


Beautifully composed post, and one with which I agree totally. Lots to think about, eh Ice? wink
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« Reply #83 on: Jul 5th, 2010, 08:15am »

Mr. Icepick, The mystical powers of men of old and men of re-known, seam to be used right in front of our eyes, NOW, and is it possible, Humans are also, Able to learn these charms and enchantments, this seams very possible, since we also have this MIX, I have a active imagination and would LOVE to manifest something to make a time capsule out of these evil doers.
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« Reply #84 on: Jul 5th, 2010, 09:14am »

I'd like to share 13 words from the Bible "NIV"
Genesis 1:26, Then God said,"let us make man in our image, in our likeness,"
it goes on about ruling over creatures on the Earth
and also 33 words
Genesis 3:21-3:22, The lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. (22) And the lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil."
On page 12 and 13 of my NIV I found something AMAZING, and it has possible SUPER COLOSSAL rama, Genesis 4:17 says one thing, and Genesis 5:18 says another.
ENOCH
do the math
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« Reply #85 on: Jul 5th, 2010, 3:49pm »

I'm in the process of writing on this subject. I'll speak on this later.

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« Reply #86 on: Jul 7th, 2010, 1:30pm »

Nephilim: Angel/human hybrid

Read the Book of Giants from the Dead Sea Scrolls

http://www.piney.com/DSSBkGiants.html

One of the giants is named Gilgamesh like in Babylonia's epic from 2000 BC (Genesis was written in 400BC if you were wondering)

There are no known giant human remain discoveries in existence. such things are myths or hoaxes to my knowledge, But I haven't looked into this much. These are the only two "photographed" cases I am aware of.

The Giant Irish Mummy
http://www.uctaa.net/articles/meds2/med28/med553.html

Giant Skeleton Photo Internet Hoax
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21432885.html


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« Reply #87 on: Jul 10th, 2010, 9:27pm »

There are no known giant human remain discoveries in existence. such things are myths or hoaxes to my knowledge, But I haven't looked into this much. These are the only two "photographed" cases I am aware of.
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Hi there CrotchetyOldMan:
You're accurate on your points for the most part, but there is a lot more to this story. Oh, and the Dead Sea Scrolls are a great source as they definitely were written somewhere in the neighborhood of the first century. At least we're pretty sure that they were there because various sects hid the writings away at the time of the Jewish revolts against the Romans. There is however, the discrepancies of mythology as relative to whichever group it was that put them there. I don't know everything here, but what I do goes something like this:

First of all, the word giants was an early mistranslation when the Bible was originally translated from Hebrew to ?Latin?. Not certain about that, but I am certain that it was the Catholics who were doing the translating. Most likely the mistake was made because the Hebrew word for giant (which I can't remember precisely right now) was extremely similar. I think it started with an 'r', but am not sure. Can somebody help me out here?

Now, about the giants in literal per se? I guess it all depends on what you call a giant. Do you remember reading about the mound builders of the Mississippi Valley back in grade school? Some of those mounds contained skeletons that were seven and eight feet tall. Which seemed to be the norm among at least some of the mound builders. When I was in grade school it was across the board, but that seems to have been changed somewhat over the years.

Now that's not exactly what we'd call a giant these days as we do have people that big running around. But in the era of 4,000 BC, when the average human was supposedly somewhere just over five foot tall average? A person that was eight feet tall would be pretty massive, wouldn't they? The most famous Biblical giant, Goliath, stood somewhere in the neighborhood of eight feet supposedly, so it sounds like that is indeed what they considered a giant in those days.

Other than that, you are correct. There has never been any remains discovered which fit the classical description of a giant. Not the ones of old English folklore anyway. But like I said, the link to giants was a slip of translation by the Catholics anyway.

The Nephilim appear across enough cultures that nobody denies that they existed. But nobody has any solid information about who (or what?) they were. I'm aware of the Angel/Human hybrid, which is the same as in The Book of Watchers. The Book of Giants I'm not familiar with. But the information sounds the same. But it still leaves the same question, doesn't it? Who exactly were the Nephilim? That question has bugged me since I was a kid.
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« Reply #88 on: Jul 10th, 2010, 9:39pm »

Yes MOKSHA, you've definitely got several points here. First, I agree about the deeds of men of old, men of reknown seemingly being right in front of our eyes. Like they're still here doing it, right? Not to mention the fact that we're no saints either.

But the best part comes when you point out that the Book of Genesis has a tendency to seemingly contradict itself. Because as far as I can tell? It does. But I have this sneaking hunch that there's something here that, once again, was left out when the book was translated. I think you'll agree when I point out that there's been a ton of them turned up over the years? It makes me wonder exactly how much of that material they got right. How about you?

I like to check this material against Enoch, Watchers, Jubilees too. I figure that at least some of it had to come out right. It's also pretty interesting to read stuff from that far back in history, isn't it?

Now CrotchetyOldMan went and reminded us about one piece we've been forgetting in this discussion, The Epic of Gilgamesh. It seems we have a group here who are fairly well read in the world of 4,000 BC.
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« Reply #89 on: Jul 10th, 2010, 9:40pm »

Hey there Seeker:

Yeah, I'm getting a lot more to think about from this thread. Other people's input always helps to see things from a different angle. I love it!
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