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« Reply #120 on: May 25th, 2014, 6:44pm »

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YA KNOW I RESPECT YOUR OPINION BUT PLANES WHOM TAXI AND HIT ANOTHER BIRD ~ WING TIP TO FUESELAGE ~ DENT AND DING QUITE EASILY ~ SO BLASTING THROUGH WALLS OF STEEL AND CIDER BLOCK ~ ANYTHING SLAPPING INTO A BRICK WALL AT 600 MPH WILL UNQUESTIONABLY HAVE RESIDUAL DAMAGE ~ AS IN THE NOSE OF THE FUESELAGE ~ UNLESS IT'S THAT INFAMOUS "MEMORY METAL" ~ grin ~ IMHO

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« Reply #121 on: May 25th, 2014, 7:03pm »

So let me get this straight. The plane could not exit the building with the nose intact? So does that mean the picture or video of it doing that is fake?
If fake, the producers of this drama were dumb enough to overlook what is then a blatantly apparently rookie mistake noticeable by anyone hence proving a plane could never have hit the building? Likewise all the eyewitness accounts and other images and videos are fake as well?

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« Reply #122 on: May 25th, 2014, 7:16pm »

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YEAH ~ SUMPTIN TO CONSIDER ~ IF IN FACT THIS IS GOVERNMENT EVIDENCE (PICTURE) SOMEONE SLIPPED ~ MY EXPERIENCE ~ THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLOSED SYSTEM ~ THERE IS ALWAYS A "HOLE" IN ANY OP ~ FALSE FLAG ~ THE WEAKEST LINK IN THE CHAIN ~ cool

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« Reply #123 on: May 25th, 2014, 7:44pm »

I have to question that picture. I've watched the video of the plane hitting and the mass of debris, smoke and fire exiting. I can't make out no nose protruding first in the cloud that appears. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong video. I'm not set up to go frame by frame.

I'd like to know the source of that picture. It is very low quality and overly processed IMO. Regardless of that picture, I still fail to comprehend how that brings into question that planes never hit the buildings. Someone can pull this off, fake all witnesses, images, videos, etc. yet make what would have to be a stupid blunder that would throw everything else out the window? Makes no sense to me.

Or is it a blunder? Perhaps they were smart enough to study how a plane would impact and exit and determined it is highly possible to have the nose protrude. They figured some smart engineer would eventually question why there is no nose coming out. Of course this now throws a monkey wrench into the theories of those who believe the nose could not protrude. These guys are slick. grin
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« Reply #124 on: May 25th, 2014, 8:52pm »

ZETAR,
I never said it would come through unscathed! I said it would still, pretty much, look like the nose of an aircraft !LOL

Also, in the picture Purr was referring to where it said the nose came through the building intact, that part of those floors were mostly glass wall and flimsy partition so it's not that far fetched!

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« Reply #125 on: May 25th, 2014, 9:22pm »

LOL, Purr. It took you long enough to reply!

This site debunks the Building 7 conspiracy. It seems pretty convincing to me.

The picture shows material being ejected from the initial impact, not the nose of the plane itself! There are many other views of the impact that show the same plane, proving without a doubt that the image of a jetliner hitting the WTC was not CGI.

The image looks to be from this video.


Here are the other views, and there are many of them. Some have colorful language, so be advised...


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PS. I don't see any blood!

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« Reply #126 on: May 25th, 2014, 9:46pm »

Yep, the Fox video does appear to show the front of the plane coming out. How intact it is, is another question.
What seems obvious i.e., a plane would be totally disintegrated on impact with any building apparently may not have scientific backup. That's the problem with a lot of this stuff - not just 911. We make analogies to other observations and experiences and apply them to other fields and often they are wrong. Then we don't like the answer and look for reasons to reject it.
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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #127 on: May 26th, 2014, 09:29am »

on May 25th, 2014, 7:03pm, GhostofEd wrote:
So let me get this straight. The plane could not exit the building with the nose intact? So does that mean the picture or video of it doing that is fake?
If fake, the producers of this drama were dumb enough to overlook what is then a blatantly apparently rookie mistake noticeable by anyone hence proving a plane could never have hit the building? Likewise all the eyewitness accounts and other images and videos are fake as well?



Hey Ed, "fake" wouldn't do this operation (if indeed it was that) justice imho. Call it MAGIC, and and a performance unmatched by anything of its kind. What caused the (few) errors/imperfections giving rise to conspiracist 'truthers', as well as folks like myself who actually LIKE reading official investigative studies, to start asking pesky questions is not dumbness on the part of this illusion's creators, but imo improvisations due to lack of time.

Those designing the public's perceptions and memory of 9/11 had too little time to set it up perfectly, maybe days or mere weeks (from the time they became aware of the terrorist attacks details). Again, excuse my Lithuanian, Ed, like hell the US government was going to murder its own citizens, or just leave them to a horrible death. My model's premise is that part of the effort was to limit American deaths as much as possible, and that in engaging inavoidable imminent catastrophe they decided to apply some extraordinary technologies. (How's that for a mouthful of gobblygook hah smiley ?)

Yes, those noses sticking out the other side of WTC buildings WERE such mistakes made under unimaginable pressure. Simply, some of the heavier sturdier parts of plane (wheels, jet engines) indeed might blast through a building. But the nose cone, convex aluminum skin, will crumple, even disintegrate, when hitting anything solid, anything standing still like a steel reinforced building and its internal structures.

To believe that flight 175 really flew through the South Tower (nose emerging!) is like believing in miracles, or to be dazzled by a (oops, ah.. sloppy) magician's slight of hand.


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« Reply #128 on: May 26th, 2014, 10:39am »

Purr,

Hate to have to disagree with you but there is no nose sticking out of the building.

If you watch the video it is clearly a blast of material being blown out due to the force of the impact. A still clip makes it look like something solid.

... Ed, like hell the US government was going to murder its own citizens, ..


Again, your wrong.

Any government will do what it considers necessary in the pursuit of, to them, a greater goal.

The greater goal in this case would be blindingly obvious.

When one gets into the position of having the power of life or death of the people below them. They sometimes choose death.

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« Reply #129 on: May 26th, 2014, 10:46am »

Hi Purr, I don't think you answered my question. Did a plane hit the tower? If a plane did hit a tower why the need for a fake video showing it exit with an obvious(?) mistake. If a plane did not hit the tower then it implies every eye witness account is fabricated or David Copperfield did a show. Unfortunately, his shows fail if the acts are witnessed from unintended vantage points. And those tower videos and witnesses were out of the control of such requirements.

I am not a structural engineer now do I have access to materials and simulations to model the destruct path of that plane through a structure. So I have to rely on those who are the experts in such areas. And I am sure their opinions will be thought wrong or a lie by those who don't like the answer. I will also point out that it is not known how "intact" the front of that plane is from that video. To conclude the nose cone piece is still even present I would say is a bit of a stretch.

Here is a decent rebuttal IMO for this no plane theory:

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« Reply #130 on: May 26th, 2014, 10:49am »

on May 25th, 2014, 6:44pm, ZETAR wrote:
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YA KNOW I RESPECT YOUR OPINION BUT PLANES WHOM TAXI AND HIT ANOTHER BIRD ~ WING TIP TO FUESELAGE ~ DENT AND DING QUITE EASILY ~ SO BLASTING THROUGH WALLS OF STEEL AND CIDER BLOCK ~ ANYTHING SLAPPING INTO A BRICK WALL AT 600 MPH WILL UNQUESTIONABLY HAVE RESIDUAL DAMAGE ~ AS IN THE NOSE OF THE FUESELAGE ~ UNLESS IT'S THAT INFAMOUS "MEMORY METAL" ~ grin ~ IMHO

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Agreed. Some common sense and lots of physics laws supporting your perspective, ZETAR. Much like hitting water (which appears pretty yielding!), if a plane flies into a building, its kinetic force will be affected by the building's inert structures (steel beams, walls, glass, concrete), momentum of different parts slowed/stopped according to their mass and internal cohesion. Simply, all the flimsy stuff is unlikely to make it 'through' intact. Heavy engines, steel wheel parts and supports may shoot outward relatively unscathed. The plane will desintegrate while inside the building.

A recognizable thin aluminum nose showing from the South Tower is a problem, fersure.


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« Reply #131 on: May 26th, 2014, 11:17am »

ZETAR,

I find the flash frequency of the latest images you posted quite disturbing.

Would you please stop doing it.

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« Reply #132 on: May 26th, 2014, 11:27am »

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« Reply #133 on: May 26th, 2014, 11:55am »

on May 26th, 2014, 10:46am, GhostofEd wrote:
Hi Purr, I don't think you answered my question. Did a plane hit the tower? If a plane did hit a tower why the need for a fake video showing it exit with an obvious(?) mistake. If a plane did not hit the tower then it implies every eye witness account is fabricated or David Copperfield did a show. Unfortunately, his shows fail if the acts are witnessed from unintended vantage points. And those tower videos and witnesses were out of the control of such requirements.

I am not a structural engineer now do I have access to materials and simulations to model the destruct path of that plane through a structure. So I have to rely on those who are the experts in such areas. And I am sure their opinions will be thought wrong or a lie by those who don't like the answer. I will also point out that it is not known how "intact" the front of that plane is from that video. To conclude the nose cone piece is still even present I would say is a bit of a stretch.


Ed (and this is for Flat as well), your questions about this subject, well... really the subject itself just turned me to drink. Opening some nice Smirnoff right now to help me think. No kidding, 9/11 is too wide-ranging to answer all relevant questions (although I will try to answer yours), and IF the US ran a covert op in the middle of it all, I am supposed to get it wrong now (or get my leash yanked). Don't want to be the woman who knew too much lipsrsealed!! Best solution would be if all critics of the official 9/11 version are nuts.




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This frame was part of a live report from a (news logo: High Five) helicopter, capturing the second South Tower impact, and subsequent 'nose out' shown and commented on.




To make my claim as precise as possible: I am referring to a preponderance of 9/11 footage, of which a few examples in my posts, showing a recognizable, seemingly intact nose of flight 175 popping out of South Tower.

Why use "intact"? Because the heli also filmed the plane, nose profile and all, just before flight 175 slammed into the facade. Let's try estimate (visually) how much damage the nose incurred passing through the building.




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Here's a detail of that 'nose out' frame, with the profile of the undamaged nose BEFORE impact superimposed.




Ed, Flat, it's a blessed miracle, unless South Tower was constructed from cotton balls and rubber bands, or if that plane had zero mass. Zero mass like in: not there. laugh I swear that nose would still look good on you, GhostofEd.

Logically and realistically, based on these images, WTC south was not hit by a jetliner (although such impact was shown), because it is highly improbable to plain impossible that a real nose cone could reappear looking unscathed.

Flat, may I point out a bit of circular logic on your part? However many images/video were shot of the two airplanes flying towards WTC, this does not show whether CGI, real jets or another visually distortive technology was employed. Any or all of such data might be real or faked or deceptive, and we must examine them case by case to find out their true evidentiary value.

The 'nose out' images are such a case in point. It is a nose pointing to (as you surmised my leanings) no passenger planes hitting the two towers. Does not mean all witnesses were lying. But their observations must be skeptically questioned, there can be a difference between observation and subject observed. Does not mean no jetliners made their way toward these buildings, just that we must question their trajectory and destination.

Flat (and I am still 100% serious), sometimes when you think you are debunking someone, they are debunking you...



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« Reply #134 on: May 26th, 2014, 11:59am »

on May 26th, 2014, 09:29am, purr wrote:
Hey Ed, "fake" wouldn't do this operation (if indeed it was that) justice imho. Call it MAGIC, and and a performance unmatched by anything of its kind. What caused the (few) errors/imperfections giving rise to conspiracist 'truthers', as well as folks like myself who actually LIKE reading official investigative studies, to start asking pesky questions is not dumbness on the part of this illusion's creators, but imo improvisations due to lack of time.

Those designing the public's perceptions and memory of 9/11 had too little time to set it up perfectly, maybe days or mere weeks (from the time they became aware of the terrorist attacks details). Again, excuse my Lithuanian, Ed, like hell the US government was going to murder its own citizens, or just leave them to a horrible death. My model's premise is that part of the effort was to limit American deaths as much as possible, and that in engaging inavoidable imminent catastrophe they decided to apply some extraordinary technologies. (How's that for a mouthful of gobblygook hah smiley ?)

Yes, those noses sticking out the other side of WTC buildings WERE such mistakes made under unimaginable pressure. Simply, some of the heavier sturdier parts of plane (wheels, jet engines) indeed might blast through a building. But the nose cone, convex aluminum skin, will crumple, even disintegrate, when hitting anything solid, anything standing still like a steel reinforced building and its internal structures.

To believe that flight 175 really flew through the South Tower (nose emerging!) is like believing in miracles, or to be dazzled by a (oops, ah.. sloppy) magician's slight of hand.


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Purr, the only thing magical is your thinking!

It's impossible to fake a series of events in full view of the media and the world. All the evidence, from the actions of the terrorists to the phone calls made from each of the planes, hangs together to give us a clear picture of what happened on 9/11.

With that thought I am walking away from this thread. This discussion has considerably exceeded my personal threshold of tolerable inanity. Have a nice day.

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