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« Reply #135 on: May 26th, 2014, 12:09pm »

on May 25th, 2014, 9:22pm, Flat wrote:
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« Reply #136 on: May 26th, 2014, 12:16pm »

purr, thanks for the answers - I think. grin

OK, people saw planes in the area and are mistaken when they say it hit the buildings? Is that correct?

The before/after picture of the nose cones fitting perfectly I do not agree with. The after profile does not seem to match the video. May I ask what are the sources for the before and after nose jobs? I would think they have to have been taken from the exact same video so that the profile of the plane is the same just at entry and exit.

Edit: It looks to be from the helicopter video. I'm gonna play around with it. My first inclination is that the resolution is not too good. Also, if the video is fake we would expect them to match? If fake, someone fed a bogus camera feed to the TV channel and the pilots and camera man saw nothing?
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« Reply #137 on: May 26th, 2014, 12:23pm »

on May 25th, 2014, 7:20pm, Meliy wrote:
In January of 1984, I had a few talks with a young man whose first name was Scott, who was a volunteer firefighter with a small town's fire department. He talked about how he'd been having vivid dreams of doing his firefighting thing in a huge burning skyscraper, a place unknown to him then in 1984.

The last thing I ever heard of him, they said he'd been in the WTC on 911, didn't make it out.

Maybe reality itself, destiny and fate, is the ultimate conspiracy?


Could well be, Meliy, although we do our part as co-conspirators. 9/11 fires were already burning for Scot in 1984, then he worked so hard to get to them in the end. I know an artist who painted the WTC attack, terrible vision to look at, years before it happened.

Perhaps there's a Time Dimension to 9/11. Something like this was bound to happen, a future event sending psychic ripples back in time, until it did happen.


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« Reply #138 on: May 26th, 2014, 12:23pm »

on May 26th, 2014, 11:59am, Flat wrote:
With that thought I am walking away from this thread. This discussion has considerably exceeded my personal threshold of tolerable inanity. Have a nice day.

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It's not just this thread, Flat. The whole place seems to be sliding off toward LaLa Land. This is not healthy at all. If I stay around here much longer, I'm afraid I'll be shopping for a psychiatrist.

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« Reply #139 on: May 26th, 2014, 12:40pm »

THE PROFESSIONAL MEDIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM8L7bdwVaA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wue5ydFV0ME


CENTRAL SOURCE ? ? ? ?
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« Reply #141 on: May 26th, 2014, 1:06pm »

on May 26th, 2014, 12:23pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
It's not just this thread, Flat. The whole place seems to be sliding off toward LaLa Land. This is not healthy at all. If I stay around here much longer, I'm afraid I'll be shopping for a psychiatrist.

Adios, Amigos. All you nuts, too!

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I stay away from conspiracy theories because there's no way to debunk a conspiracy to believers. Personally I DON'T BELIEVE THE 9-11 conspiracies and no one may distrust the government more than I do. I know one eyewitness who saw the planes hit the towers, he is my broker. I would think an eyewitness wouldn't lie. I don't think you can fool them with holograms not the ones I've seen anyway.

My opinion is simply two planes hit the towers. Simplistic? Yes and not as much fun as a conspiracy but more likely the truth. I realized a long time ago that where believers are concerned you can lead them to water but you can't make them drink. And without water you will start to see mirages. But then again that's just my opinion and we all have them. Besides if we all agreed it would be pretty boring around here! wink
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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #142 on: May 26th, 2014, 1:11pm »

on May 26th, 2014, 12:16pm, GhostofEd wrote:
purr, thanks for the answers - I think. grin

OK, people saw planes in the area and are mistaken when they say it hit the buildings? Is that correct?

The before/after picture of the nose cones fitting perfectly I do not agree with. The after profile does not seem to match the video. May I ask what are the sources for the before and after nose jobs? I would think they have to have been taken from the exact same video so that the profile of the plane is the same just at entry and exit.

Edit: It looks to be from the helicopter video. I'm gonna play around with it. My first inclination is that the resolution is not too good. Also, if the video is fake we would expect them to match? If fake, someone fed a bogus camera feed to the TV channel and the pilots and camera man saw nothing?


You are welcome Ed! I think.

To continue, no not witnesses confusing planes in the area and the WTC impact event. Instead I see problems and inconsistencies in 9/11 attack as reported by the media, like the 'nose out' footage, and the science-'Light' approach in some official investigations, enough to critically question eyewitness reports and photographic records.

Unlike Flat, and it seems DNS, it is NOT clear to me what happened that day. With possibly thousands killed, it merits further investigation imo.

Three separate questions (as I model the problem):


What did the eyewitnesses see / what did cameras record when observing several jetliners flying over Manhattan towards WTC?


What hit the two towers, caused explosions and fires, and three buildings' catastrofic collapse?


Who caused 9/11?



There might be the straightforward answer. Or something more disconcerting. But we must ask, I think.


As to the High 5 helicopter vid, small steps.. small steps seems best. We cannot make predictions regarding 'fake' unless we establish how it was faked. But I dared make a prediction about 'real' based on the premise that a real nose cone may reasonably be expected to look different before and after flying through a building. If this expextation/prediction failed, and to my eyes it does fail, the plane and its impact were NOT REAL.

How are you getting on with the news video?


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« Reply #143 on: May 26th, 2014, 1:52pm »

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But what about the millions of people who saw the second plane hit the tower ?

I was amongst them (in Greece) watching the thing develop as the second plane hit.

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« Reply #144 on: May 26th, 2014, 2:01pm »

HAL, that's an easy one to answer. Can you believe what you saw on a TV from the media?

OK, I'm off trying to locate a video of that helicopter footage at the same resolution and quality of the original. Maybe someone can point to it. This is wearing me out already.

My interest in the before/after comparison is I want to see with my own eyes the images comprising it and not just some animation being claimed to show identical profiles.
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« Reply #145 on: May 26th, 2014, 2:23pm »

on May 26th, 2014, 1:52pm, INT21 wrote:
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But what about the millions of people who saw the second plane hit the tower ?

I was amongst them (in Greece) watching the thing develop as the second plane hit.

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I am fully cognizant of something like 9/11 fatigue taking hold by now. I feel your pain, really, as of some other posters in this forum.

But HAL/INT21 you may have to read back posts a little distance, so I do not return to the identical argument with same answers here. Uh.. I have seen the impact on telly, will always remember what I thought at the time, how this constituted a major strategic victory for al-Qaeda. Meaning America now had a lot of killing to do. As Sheikh Osama Bin Laden & associates found out over time.

And my mode of questioning is here: since there may be a difference between an observation and what is observed ....WHAT DID EYEWITNESSES SEE, CAMERAS RECORD, AND MILLIONS OF WORLD CITIZENS VIEW THROUGH THE MEDIA?

There could be as many answers as there are people, but I'd like every answer to be followed up by:"Why?". (The less prudent response then would be "..because I saw it on TV...".)


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« Reply #146 on: May 26th, 2014, 2:29pm »

Sorry Purr,

I don't accept any of that.

Like millions, I watched it in real time. No room for any editing, photo shopping etc.

If you listen to the people who were watching the second plane come in it is obvious that it was a real event.

Got to go. the bus is pulling out.

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« Reply #147 on: May 26th, 2014, 2:48pm »

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WITHOUT BEING TO HARD ON PURR THERE IS OF COURSE THAT GREY AREA WHEREIN THIS HELICOPTER ~ I GUESS IS THE ORIGIN OF SAID SHOT COULD...POSSIBLY HAVE PHOTOSHOPPED FOOTAGE TAKEN ~ YA KNOW THAT RATINGS THINGY ~ I JUST DON'T KNOW THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY/LOOP DATA ~ HAVING SAID THAT AND CONSIDERING THE PHYSICS AND METALLURGY WITH SUCH AN IMPACT~ YOU CAN DROP A PENNY OFF THE EMPIRE STATE BLDG. AND ODDS ARE IT'S GONNA PIERCE METAL ON A CAR AT STREET LEVEL ~ YOU SEND ANY PROJECTILE INTO A FIXED OBJECT AT 600 MHP...PLANE...INTO A BUILDING ~ THE TIP WILL SPLAY/STRESS...YA KNOW IT IS ALUMINUM...ONE BIG FLYING CAN grin... IT WOULD NOT LOOK AS THIS PICTURE HAS ALLEGED...IMHO

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« Reply #148 on: May 26th, 2014, 2:54pm »

Someone above mentioned this thread descending into La La Land....and it seems that way to me also.

I also saw the plane hit the 2nd tower in real time on tv and it was not some magic video feed. And there is no question a plane also hit the first from all available evidence and there is tons of it....being all the people who were there and saw it...period.
Building 7 came down due to collateral damage from the other towers. Was there a 'conspiracy' after the event to hide truths about the terrorists involved and or govt participation..? Possibly but even that is a stretch imo.
As to the Pentagon many people saw a plane hit the building and the emergency responders were on sight regarding the wreckage , etc , etc.. .....case closed.

This whole demolition 'theory' is imho conspiracy thinking by those who want to believe it was all a conspiracy because they are 'conspiracy minded people' to begin with. Sorry,,,but that's how I see it and I'm not putting these people down ; just an observation on their nature of how they 'see' things.

I completely reject the absurd notion that this was done to 'scare' the people into accepting a war or more surveillance . That would have been done in due time regardless imo because that's the way the politicians and govt security types think anyway. The people for the most part don't care and that's obvious since the majority have not even blinked lately with all the changes that have happened with the new disclosures about NSA monitoring.
Most simply aren't concerned so the idea they would go to all this expense, trouble, and killing thousands when the people are now and always have been willing to follow anyway and believe any 'lie' is simply nonsense....imo.



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« Reply #149 on: May 26th, 2014, 3:02pm »

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