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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #15 on: Mar 5th, 2012, 06:26am »

Wiki (I hate using them but) has pictures from Shanksville and there was debris.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

Oh, and ZETAR, The pic of that hub in your link. I machined those hubs at P&W. That particular one is from the compressor section and has titanium directional fins attached to those slots you can see around it.


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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #16 on: Mar 5th, 2012, 09:35am »

As previously stated the impact of such an object at that speed with the explosive impact of fuel aboard very little if anything would survive such an explosion.
People have questioned traces of strange substances found as trace residue on 9/11 etc, with the entire twin towers collapse plus the entire contents obliterated beyond anything chemicals of different origins are bound to be found. Mixed with so many different building materials it`s a real mix of so many things. PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 5th, 2012, 10:25am »

on Mar 5th, 2012, 09:35am, PowerKnight wrote:
As previously stated the impact of such an object at that speed with the explosive impact of fuel aboard very little if anything would survive such an explosion.
People have questioned traces of strange substances found as trace residue on 9/11 etc, with the entire twin towers collapse plus the entire contents obliterated beyond anything chemicals of different origins are bound to be found. Mixed with so many different building materials it`s a real mix of so many things. PowerKnight wink


I agree with you Powerknight in that there was no conspiracy here by the govt or any false flag event...but I do suspect they handled the investigation poorly from what some have said regarding prior warnings about such events. Typical situation for the govt.....SNAFU.

I place as much credence in this conspiracy theory as I do in Billy Meier's claims he time traveled with aliens or that Adamski actually net a Venusian named Orthon.
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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #18 on: Mar 5th, 2012, 10:56am »

ORTHON DOESN'T EXISThuhhuhhuh
Dayam, ruined my entire day!!!

Crap, now I gotta revamp all my life's principles!!
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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #19 on: Mar 5th, 2012, 12:57pm »

That said I do firmly believe in the conspiracy...but not the 9/11 conspiracy and the whole damage it caused throughout the whole events that unfolded on that very sad day. People have said the US government helped create the carnage in that they could use it as strike against the middle East etc.
By letting the terrorists go ahead as an excuse for retaliation etc, the conspiracy has been around for a very long time and I and almost everyone here knows they have been and still are in action.
But here in this case I simply do not believe there was a conspiracy set up by the US government of the day and all that followed. Many here believe there was and that`s their freedom of choice to take, that`s basically it at the end of the day and for those who do believe in it as a conspiracy there is no way I can change their minds. PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 5th, 2012, 9:52pm »

Pearl Harbor? Come on folks, we now know what tidbit was known. And we also know that FDR did not know until after the fact. But one more time, allow me to point out that the US Ambassador to Japan overheard something at a dinner party about the possibility of an attack on Pearl Harbor.

In January of 1941 and the conversationists were roaring drunk. He dismissed it, and that's pretty understandable considering the amount of war rumor flying around in those days. He admitted hearing this after the attack.

Yes, the entire government knew somebody was going to get hit somewhere. We had just cut off Japan's supply of oil. Which means that Pearl Harbor was a very illogical target to hit. Taking the Malaysian oil fields was what was expected.

Crimeny, when one of these conspiracy theories has been solved, why don't you just let the rumor die? Do you need something suspicious to talk about that bad? If so, there's plenty afoot right now.
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 5th, 2012, 10:11pm »

on Mar 4th, 2012, 11:35pm, ZETAR wrote:
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on Mar 5th, 2012, 10:56am, LoneGunMan wrote:
ORTHON DOESN'T EXISThuhhuhhuh
Dayam, ruined my entire day!!!

Crap, now I gotta revamp all my life's principles!!
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« Reply #23 on: Jun 25th, 2012, 5:05pm »

Must put this puppy to bed just ,due to respect of the familys that lost loved ones.
If you can tell me how aircraft ,passenger seats, and landing gear get to ERing. I would agree to stupid theroy.
IF any Doubts at all contact the presidential color gaurd they alone moved 55 safes some up 5000 pounds of the most sensitive documentaion the pentagon have. How did 58000 gallons of jet fuel get in the basement. and tons of molten aluminum aircraft grade get in the basement. The color gaurds secondary mission recover personal effects and aircraft pieces. Body parts were recover along with IDs.
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 25th, 2012, 5:11pm »

There was a firetruck on the helopad waiting for a helo to come in their firetruck was clipped by a wingtip. I dont see any conspiricy at all just ragheads that were confirmed on videos. It was a plane and a complete report was done.
Just study kinectic enegy something that weighs 150000 pounds moving at nearly 600 mph and it is a big missle.
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« Reply #25 on: Jun 25th, 2012, 6:10pm »

One of the first jet airliners to crash hit the ground in Indiana back in the 1950s.
The plane hit nose down at full throttle in a corm field and left quite a crater. The local papers asked about survivors and the Sheriff commented there were no bodies. When a reporter pointed out there was a full passenger list the Sheriff had no answer.
A drag line was brought in and a hole was started in the crater.
Several feet down they started finding wreckage again. Then they found the cockpit and the bodies, a single mass of flesh so hot from the compression it smoked when uncovered, and it was all but impossible to tell bodies apart.
The impact drove all the passengers, or what was left of them, into the front of the cabin and that mass of aluminum and flesh was driven deeper into the earth.
In those days there was no DNA, and the mass of bodies were buried enmass.
In cases like this I am not surprised that bodies aren't found. They may not have looked deep enough.
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on Jun 25th, 2012, 5:11pm, Viperone wrote:
There was a firetruck on the helopad waiting for a helo to come in their firetruck was clipped by a wingtip. I dont see any conspiricy at all just ragheads that were confirmed on videos. It was a plane and a complete report was done.
Just study kinectic enegy something that weighs 150000 pounds moving at nearly 600 mph and it is a big missle.


Only one thing wrong with that concept. That plane wasn't going 600 MPH. In fact it wasn't even going 300 MPH. Some claim the speed was just above a stall. Less than 200 MPH. After all, this plane made a long, slow turn into the Pentagon at ground level.

The Pentagon is where the only issue with 9/11 exists that makes the Popular Mechanics debunk look like it was written by a bunch of kindergarten cops. A long time ago an army non com tried to fly a helicopter into the White House to kill President Nixon. During the proceedings, it became known that a series of SAM Missile sites protects the nations capitol.

Well, apparently none of the Popular Mechanics staff are old enough to remember that report. The CIA told them that they protected the government buildings in DC with Stinger Missiles from the rooftops. Now even a toddler can see through this claim. A Stinger doesn't reach far enough out to stop a real threat. Every vital piece of the Federal Government is neatly grouped in DC, which is prime material for any assault. Take out SAM Missile Sites and use Stinger Missiles with a mile or so of range? While I may not care much for conspiracy theories, I absolutely hate having my intelligence insulted.

But do I believe that our government had something to do with this then? No, I don't. The official story does stink to high heaven though. It is altogether possible that the feds came up with the Stinger concept to cover up the fact that somebody probably turned off the defense grid when the plane approached in order to avoid shooting down an airliner. This has always been my thoughts on the Pentagon.

But I have my doubts about bin Laden and company being responsible for the attacks. Terrorists have a history of going live to claim credit for the attacks as soon as they happen. He did not. There was a tape which eventually came out that they called his confession tape, but a lot of questions remain regarding almost every alleged bin Laden tape. Obama really blew it by issuing a shoot to kill order. The conspiracy theories could have been silenced once and for all, but he chose to keep them going for some reason or other.

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« Reply #27 on: Jun 26th, 2012, 3:08pm »

The bodies were hamburgized then burned for hours at over 2000 degrees even then still body parts were found. That plane went through some very strong constuction all with kinectic enrgy.
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« Reply #28 on: Jun 27th, 2012, 11:33pm »

Our nations capital isnt supposed to be a fortress but a grand monuments to democracy. At Pre 9/11 thinking. Now to stop an airliner requires more than a stinger. It requires a missle base in the capital. The old boys dont want the capital to be a fortress but what do you do.
To my knowledge there are no sam sites just react aircraft when this date 2 unarmed F15s responded and all they could do is ram.. All planes were down before any could be intercepted. The congested airspace over DC contained alot of aircraft in the area until ordered to land nearest airport.
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« Reply #29 on: Jun 28th, 2012, 6:50pm »

I can't address 2001 Viperone, but I can address 1972. And they did have SAM sites hidden around the DC area in those days. It would make little sense for them to remove them, considering what they protected.

But remember that 9/11 was the day that set the precedent here as well. How much will would it take to drop an airliner full of innocent civilians prior to that date? I believe that the fact they failed to do so is one of the things they wish to keep quiet. The public has an uncanny way of sniffing it out when an official story is not right. Have you ever noticed that? And the conspiracy theories will blow it out of all proportion when that happens. Look at what the truth turned out to be about Pearl Harbor. The US ambassador overheard something regarding that at a Tokyo dinner party nearly a year earlier and dismissed it as just talk. Which would be normal talk when two nations were so close to war at that.

Give it fifty more years and we will know the truth about 9/11 as well. How far from the official story it will deviate remains an unknown today, but it will not be America attacking America. That makes absolutely no sense at all. People need to think these things through. If you do so, you will usually see both sides of the issue. And realize that there is always at least three sides to every story. Yours, theirs, and what really happened (which is usually a very mild variation from the official story).

Human nature is human nature. What do you do about that?

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