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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #150 on: May 26th, 2014, 3:06pm »

Here is a long but interesting read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/26/nyregion/26WTC.html?src=pm&pagewanted=1
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« Reply #151 on: May 26th, 2014, 3:17pm »

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...SORRY ZETAR BUT I'M GONNA CALL YOU ON THAT CLAIM..

Me too.

The coin will not pierce metal. Might break the skin if it hits you. No serious injury.

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« Reply #152 on: May 26th, 2014, 3:50pm »

YOU WENT FOR THE BAIT ~ NOW I'LL CALL YOU AND RAISE YOU ON THAT PLANE ~ YA THINK IT CAME OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BLDG. WITH THAT FACTORY PAINT AND SKIN grin ~ WELL...THIS IS WHAT THEY {PERSONNEL} "TOLD" ME WHEN VISITING THE EMPIRE STATE BLDG ABOUT THE PENNY ~ CAN YOU CALCULATE THE VELOCITY FROM SUCH A HEIGHT ~ FIGURE 1.5-2.25 GMS/PENNEY ~ WHAYYA THINK ~ I GUESS ONE COULD EQUATE SUCH IMPACT LIKE "HAIL"...AND DEPENDING ON THE GAUGE METAL WHETHER FULL PENETRATION AND/OR DENT...WOULD/SHOULD VARY ~ BUT TO FOCUS ON THE PENNY AND MISS THE POINT OF THE PLANE ~ MAY BE AN IMPASSE ~ SO BE IT grin

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« Reply #153 on: May 26th, 2014, 4:17pm »

HI ZETAR, WHAT BAIT? YOUR POINT BEING A FALLING PENNY THAT BECAUSE IT WON'T PENETRATE METAL PROVES AN AIRPLANE CAN'T PENETRATE A BUILDING AND NEEDS TO DISINTEGRATE ON IMPACT?

YOU WILL NEED TO SHOW ME HOW THE PHYSICS AND AERODYNAMICS OF A FLUTTERING LIGHT WEIGHT PENNY GREATLY AFFECTED BY AIR RESISTANCE EQUATES TO AN ANALOGY OF A PLANE BEING INCAPABLE OF PENETRATING WALLS. BECAUSE THERE APPEARS ANALYSIS OF THE POSSIBILITY, DO YOU REJECT SAID OPINION?

ADDITIONALLY THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS BEING BASED ON AN ASSUMPTION THE FRONT END OF A CGI(?) PLANE WAS TOO "PRISTINE". THE LOGIC ESCAPES ME.
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xx Re: WHAT REALLY HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911
« Reply #154 on: May 27th, 2014, 04:18am »

on May 26th, 2014, 2:29pm, INT21 wrote:
Sorry Purr,

I don't accept any of that.

Like millions, I watched it in real time. No room for any editing, photo shopping etc.

If you listen to the people who were watching the second plane come in it is obvious that it was a real event.

Got to go. the bus is pulling out.

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You don't accept any of WHAT exactly, HAL? I haven't committed to an explanation of "editing", "photoshopping", couldn't find posters positively stating they did in this forum (although truthers everywhere else might!), so you are rejecting positions not held in our conversation.

Additionally, I did not say no planes came in (=flew towards) (and were observed), just that eyewitness accounts and footage of same should be critically, skeptically questioned/analyzed. Skepsis and SCRUTINY can't be bad when a dreadful terrorist attack, costing citizens' and responders lives, takes place.

My little Q & A with GhostofEd on the 'nose out' is separately considered, and specifically relates to planes HITTING the WTC or not.

Checked back on whether the High 5 camera guy, who shot the South Tower impact, saw a plane. Listen in to video below; he filmed the scene directed by his pilot, but maintains he didn't see flight 175, is reluctant about commenting too much 'cause his employer Fox News asked him to refrain from doing so.









Your confidence in "real-time TV" may be unjustified. Real Time means no more or less than that events are depicted as occurring entirely within the span of and at the same rate as the depiction. Simply, this mode of reporting allows for a delay BETWEEN the moments/period of actual observation, AND FOOTAGE BEING BROADCAST. There's nothing preventing news agencies from selecting, altering, sequencing, editing WHATEVER during said delay except their sense of decency and integrity. Did you confuse the term with live tv?

Anyhow, we know variable forms of editing were employed (not necessarily nefarious or deceptive), because several black out frames (indicating a technician pushing the wrong button?) and sequencing of multiple visual perspectives and angles was seen worldwide. CNN did it too for the Netherlands.

I haven't established images were tampered with. I have shown the opportunity was there.


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« Reply #155 on: May 27th, 2014, 04:47am »

Lol Purr you have caught my interest; I have a problem after watching that video. Letís assume the aircraft was genuine, now when it hits the building you clearly see the debris coming out the other side. This debris would have traveled a considerable distance so the surrounding buildings and streets would have been littered with it along with damage to property and human life was such reported. As stated I took no interest in this conspiracy so I have no information about such. My other problem is the people and goods on that floor, now you can accept that the impact destroyed the aircraft but that does not include lets say the sundries. Now surely anyone or item in the blasts path if not fixed securely to one spot would have been shoved out the other end in near complete state so if there was twenty people there then at least half would have ended up blocks away from the incident and the same goes for such as computers etc so was such reported?
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« Reply #156 on: May 27th, 2014, 04:53am »

on May 25th, 2014, 3:29pm, ZETAR wrote:
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Thank you, ZETAR. That .gif has been getting to me ever since Sysconfig used it as avatar cheesy, I keep obsessively thinking how sharp those nails must be by now.

Like I said, I'm nowhere in the truther camp. But so many little inconsistencies, irregularities and oversights regarding the 9/11 events.

...where there's smoke, there's fire......


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« Reply #157 on: May 27th, 2014, 05:03am »

on May 26th, 2014, 3:02pm, GhostofEd wrote:
SORRY ZETAR BUT I'M GONNA CALL YOU ON THAT CLAIM! grin


I'd like to come out in support of ZETAR's position here, seems he's simply referring to the lawful outcomes of kinetic force, not saying that a penny is a jetliner.

Sure they will behave differently when striking something. But the matter/mass in both objects will lawfully interact with anything barring its way.


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« Reply #158 on: May 27th, 2014, 05:06am »

on May 27th, 2014, 04:47am, hyundisonata wrote:
Lol Purr you have caught my interest; I have a problem after watching that video. Letís assume the aircraft was genuine, now when it hits the building you clearly see the debris coming out the other side. This debris would have traveled a considerable distance so the surrounding buildings and streets would have been littered with it along with damage to property and human life was such reported. As stated I took no interest in this conspiracy so I have no information about such. My other problem is the people and goods on that floor, now you can accept that the impact destroyed the aircraft but that does not include lets say the sundries. Now surely anyone or item in the blasts path if not fixed securely to one spot would have been shoved out the other end in near complete state so if there was twenty people there then at least half would have ended up blocks away from the incident and the same goes for such as computers etc so was such reported?


More knowledgeable members may help out here, but to my understanding, no large piece of fuselage, not even smashed or torn or crumpled was ever reported to have been recovered from the area. Anyone remembers differently?


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« Reply #159 on: May 27th, 2014, 06:00am »

on May 26th, 2014, 2:54pm, drwu23 wrote:
Someone above mentioned this thread descending into La La Land....and it seems that way to me also.

I also saw the plane hit the 2nd tower in real time on tv and it was not some magic video feed. And there is no question a plane also hit the first from all available evidence and there is tons of it....being all the people who were there and saw it...period.
Building 7 came down due to collateral damage from the other towers. Was there a 'conspiracy' after the event to hide truths about the terrorists involved and or govt participation..? Possibly but even that is a stretch imo.
As to the Pentagon many people saw a plane hit the building and the emergency responders were on sight regarding the wreckage , etc , etc.. .....case closed.

This whole demolition 'theory' is imho conspiracy thinking by those who want to believe it was all a conspiracy because they are 'conspiracy minded people' to begin with. Sorry,,,but that's how I see it and I'm not putting these people down ; just an observation on their nature of how they 'see' things.

I completely reject the absurd notion that this was done to 'scare' the people into accepting a war or more surveillance . That would have been done in due time regardless imo because that's the way the politicians and govt security types think anyway. The people for the most part don't care and that's obvious since the majority have not even blinked lately with all the changes that have happened with the new disclosures about NSA monitoring.
Most simply aren't concerned so the idea they would go to all this expense, trouble, and killing thousands when the people are now and always have been willing to follow anyway and believe any 'lie' is simply nonsense....imo.





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I agree with you that the US government rationally would not plan and carry out the murder of thousands of its own citizens.

But the notion that Building 7 came down from "collateral damage" is not borne out in any scientific investigation I came across, at least not using that term. What exactly do you mean by collateral damage?

By the way, you and I have discussed precisely this at length before, at UFO Evolution (forum now closed), going into some detail about the scientific findings on 7's collapse. Sadly I could not prevail on the site owner to preserve a searcheable archive, so all that data (on both sides of the issue) seems irretrievably lost. Remember it, Wu? tongue

Off the top of my head, Building 7's collapse was found to have been caused by progressive fires, expansion of a floor which then resulted in the crumpling of a major steel support beam, at which point in time the entire building catastrophically collapsed.

Took that from the US government commissioned Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 by NIST (go scroll down linked page to download full text), my foremost source for criticizing the official version of events.

To refresh memory, the problem with the above finding is that it was derived from a computer simulation, where one of the givens was that 7 finally collapsed, and then investigators varied the input (heat of the fires and weakening of steel supports) until it also did in virtual reality. They (according to the NIST) were unrestrained by realworld forensic data/materials like the steel beams themselves (shipped to China as scrap it is rumored), or actual measurements of steelmelting fire (unavailable to NIST). Guys and gals fiddled with their knobs until they arrived at the most probable outcome, to put it irreverently.

That's La La science imho.


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« Reply #160 on: May 27th, 2014, 06:49am »

ZETAR,

I ALSO AM MYSTIFIED BY YOUR REPLY.

YOU WROTE..

...AND ODDS ARE IT'S GONNA PIERCE METAL ON A CAR AT STREET LEVEL..

WE BOTH SAY IT WON'T.

WHERE IS THE CONNECTION WITH THE PLANE ?


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...seems he's simply referring to the lawful outcomes of kinetic force, not saying that a penny is a jetliner...

No. he is claiming that a penny will probably pierce the metal skin of a car.

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« Reply #161 on: May 27th, 2014, 06:57am »

By the way, this thread is supposed to be about the Pentagon.

Not a rehash of the whole thing.

Surely we have covered that often enough in the past.

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« Reply #162 on: May 27th, 2014, 07:04am »

Purr,

And this is definately my last word on the subject.


...You don't accept any of WHAT exactly, HAL?

I don't accept that any of the things I saw on September 11th were faked.

You seem to be implying (in some of your posts) that no plane hit the second tower. That no one saw it.

Got to dissagree.

Got my ticket (blackmarket, but worth the cost) and I'm on the bus out of this thread.

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« Reply #163 on: May 27th, 2014, 07:23am »

Hi purr, my statement was in regards to the penny dropped from a great height will penetrate the metal of a car. It will not. Some analogy was being made and I took my best guess at it. There are fine details involved when studying kinetics. If one had a choice of having their body hit with that dropped penny or a dart of half itís mass which would they choose?

Regarding items tossed out and landing below, I hope people realize the debris mess down there. My understanding is that pieces of the plane are shown continuing on to eventually be found below. That is if one wants to believe those images, accounts and pieces found.


I donít buy the theory that no planes hit the towers. The eyewitness accounts and backing video and other information is overwhelming. That theory relies on even more theories that canít be supported. Some of this is working backwards as well. The front of the plane is shown on a video emerging the building. People believe a plane canít travel through the building so the video has to be fake. Why a fake video? Because a plane never hit the building but a video is needed to make people think it hit. Now you have to make eyewitnesses think they saw a plane hit by having decoy planes fly by. This all because it is believed a plane canít pass through a building in spite of analysis showing otherwise. At some point you have to move on to other possibilities or forever be stuck on square one. Iím not sure that the truthers even support the no plane hit idea.

I understand questioning things. There will always be some occurrences in life that donít fit into a neat package. Events, observations, etc. donít always match ones expectations or understanding. People often draw conclusions via analogy and often they are wrong. And I recognize Iím subject to that as well. One good example are some of the moon hoax claims that fail because they overlook that things work differently on the moon then what we observe or experience on earth. This is why reliance on science is needed although I often find that too is mistrusted when it comes to a lot of topics here.

Iíve not had the opportunity to work on that video nose job but itís on my list.

ps - I know this thread was about the Pentagon. I'm just following the flow it took. grin
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« Reply #164 on: May 27th, 2014, 07:30am »

on May 27th, 2014, 06:57am, INT21 wrote:
By the way, this thread is supposed to be about the Pentagon.

Not a rehash of the whole thing.

Surely we have covered that often enough in the past.

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Thanks for pointing us back on topic, INT21/HAL. By inference then, folllowing from my arguments dealing with other parts of the 9/11 attack, I lean towards no jetliner really hitting the Pentagon that day.

Sumtin terrible did happen over there, and imho we should care enough to go the extra mile to find out exactly what.


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