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« Reply #15 on: Jul 5th, 2012, 5:29pm »

I think that Luvey is probably close to the physical explanation.

At San Borondon, the island appears during freak thunderstorms and disappears as the weather settles. If as Hyundy suggests you focussed a satellite on the coordinates over the next fifty years sooner or later the island would reappear and you would capture it on film. It was claimed to have been photographed in 2003. But as I pointed out, Spain and Portugal have already agreed by the 1519 Treaty of Elvira that beyond a doubt the island exists, and when it materializes in this dimension it is a Spanish Canary Island.

In earlier centuries the island used to materialize more frequently than it does now, and a number of expeditions visited it and went ashore, and this was found dangerous to do because when the dematerialization process began you had to get off very swiftly or you would vanish with it permanently.

It is interesting that in the cases of the Aurora Islands and Pepys Island, these were visited by warships of the Spanish and English Crowns, but nobody ever disembarked. People knew about such things in those days and obviously there must have been something about the four islands mentioned which made the captains of the vessels involved practice caution.

As I suggested in another thread a few years ago under the caption Flight 19, the Board of Enquiry evidence into the loss of the five Avenger aircraft from Fort Lauderdale in December 1945 provides us with a scenario that a parallel world exists with many uninhabited islands in a sunlit world with no sun.

This was why although the five Avenger pilots were always in contact by radio with Fort Lauderdale base for a period of six hours, and were told to fly west to get back to Florida, they could not fly west because their compasses did not work and they "could not find where the sun was".

That is the simple explanation. They were in a world without a sun, and although they flew and flew and flew for six hours looking for a sign of life, never once did they see a fishing boat, a steamer, a yacht or an island with some sign of life on the waters below them.

The evidence was covered over so as to place blame, for a verdict by a US Board of Enquiry that the five aircraft must have slipped into the adjacent dimension and 'could not find the way out' would obviosuly have been laughed out of court.

Similarly, another of my contributions to Wikipaedia which was taken down because it suggested a solution untenable for a respectable on-line encyclopaedia was the disappearance of the three Flannen Island lighthouse keepers in December 1900.

The evidence of what they wrote in the journal which they left behind provides all one needs to know about the great mystery surrounding this particular rock 20 miles off the coast of Lewis, and which should appeal to a sailor with so many years experience as Hyundy has. Certainly Luvey would find it interesting.

Unlike the other cases, this was an inconstant island the other way round: so far as we know it had always been exactly where it is supposed to be except that in that December of 1900 it was absent from this dimension for several days and returned without the lighthouse keepers.

Their journal showed that they all knew the plight which had befallen them -and there it was for all to see in the journal if you read it without prejudice - and their dreadful fear for their very souls, and they all prayed together, and one of them spent all day praying, something which was unheard-of for one or all of those lighthouse keepers to do, as the Board of Enquiry was told. If anybody wants the details please request.

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« Reply #16 on: Jul 6th, 2012, 12:45am »

Hello ohrdruf

I have taken an interest in this type of thing for a while and started collecting stories on disappearing islands, people and material objects.... having experienced objects disappear and reappear in our home... If objects and people can disappear in this manner, then islands could too as far as I am concerned. This reality that we think is so totally solid keeps sending us signals that it isn't with this type of phenomena.

I have always had a natural fear of fog for some reason.... There are so many strange stories associated with fog from timeslips to disappearing islands, people and objects, and some people being transported vast distances with no knowledge how it happened.

30 years ago or more the Bermuda Triangle seemed to always figure in conversations at some point.... It was a mystery that puzzled many. Nowadays we are privy to far more information than we were back then and we are able to deduce just what could be happening with so much input.

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EDIT: Btw, I really enjoy reading your posts. smiley

on Jul 5th, 2012, 5:29pm, ohrdruf wrote:
I think that Luvey is probably close to the physical explanation.

At San Borondon, the island appears during freak thunderstorms and disappears as the weather settles. If as Hyundy suggests you focussed a satellite on the coordinates over the next fifty years sooner or later the island would reappear and you would capture it on film. It was claimed to have been photographed in 2003. But as I pointed out, Spain and Portugal have already agreed by the 1519 Treaty of Elvira that beyond a doubt the island exists, and when it materializes in this dimension it is a Spanish Canary Island.

In earlier centuries the island used to materialize more frequently than it does now, and a number of expeditions visited it and went ashore, and this was found dangerous to do because when the dematerialization process began you had to get off very swiftly or you would vanish with it permanently.

It is interesting that in the cases of the Aurora Islands and Pepys Island, these were visited by warships of the Spanish and English Crowns, but nobody ever disembarked. People knew about such things in those days and obviously there must have been something about the four islands mentioned which made the captains of the vessels involved practice caution.

As I suggested in another thread a few years ago under the caption Flight 19, the Board of Enquiry evidence into the loss of the five Avenger aircraft from Fort Lauderdale in December 1945 provides us with a scenario that a parallel world exists with many uninhabited islands in a sunlit world with no sun.

This was why although the five Avenger pilots were always in contact by radio with Fort Lauderdale base for a period of six hours, and were told to fly west to get back to Florida, they could not fly west because their compasses did not work and they "could not find where the sun was".

That is the simple explanation. They were in a world without a sun, and although they flew and flew and flew for six hours looking for a sign of life, never once did they see a fishing boat, a steamer, a yacht or an island with some sign of life on the waters below them.

The evidence was covered over so as to place blame, for a verdict by a US Board of Enquiry that the five aircraft must have slipped into the adjacent dimension and 'could not find the way out' would obviosuly have been laughed out of court.

Similarly, another of my contributions to Wikipaedia which was taken down because it suggested a solution untenable for a respectable on-line encyclopaedia was the disappearance of the three Flannen Island lighthouse keepers in December 1900.

The evidence of what they wrote in the journal which they left behind provides all one needs to know about the great mystery surrounding this particular rock 20 miles off the coast of Lewis, and which should appeal to a sailor with so many years experience as Hyundy has. Certainly Luvey would find it interesting.

Unlike the other cases, this was an inconstant island the other way round: so far as we know it had always been exactly where it is supposed to be except that in that December of 1900 it was absent from this dimension for several days and returned without the lighthouse keepers.

Their journal showed that they all knew the plight which had befallen them -and there it was for all to see in the journal if you read it without prejudice - and their dreadful fear for their very souls, and they all prayed together, and one of them spent all day praying, something which was unheard-of for one or all of those lighthouse keepers to do, as the Board of Enquiry was told. If anybody wants the details please request.

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« Reply #17 on: Jul 6th, 2012, 01:35am »

Funny you should say that Luvey, we as a family had countless arguments because of stuff disappearing. car keys cigarettes, lighters, money etc and it normally reappears a few hours later in the same spot it last was seen, recently a lot has been going and not returning. It was not until we wised up that it was our resident ghost Fred that was to blame that the bickering stopped. So you could have a valid point, if keys can come and go then why not something bigger, makes you think and it just so happens we have had a constant fog for three days and nights that is starting to have a similar effect on the body you get with a full solar eclipse also it stinks of burning electricity, cant see further than about seventy yards if lucky but I was putting that down to solar activity.
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 6th, 2012, 02:50am »

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Sometimes it takes weeks for an object to reappear and it’s been my experience that some never reappear. However some of the worst I have experienced of disappearing objects was while staying at my mother–in-laws home in Tennessee back in 2003. So many objects and even medications just disappeared and reappeared a day or two later. A bowl I put into a cupboard disappeared and a month or so later when we left to fly home it still had not reappeared. It was so bad it frustrated the heck out of me..... This reality is not as material and solid as we think it is. I don’t think it is ghosts doing this.... or ET.... I think it’s to do with reality not being as solid and material as we think it is. I have read stories and even heard a story from someone that it happened too.... cars have disappeared and reappeared. Now a car is a pretty big object.... I believe these types of phenomena are telling us that this material reality that we think we share is not that material....its in the mind of the observer. If people can reach up into the air and bring out material objects and even live animals.... then what is this telling us about our reality?

I think the theory of electronic fog causing a space rift is very plausible..... and if the universe is holographic then electronic fog upsetting the balance of energy could well make a large object like an island disappear. Just my two cents worth.... I am not a scientist and can only surmise things from my own experiences. But just recently a scientist has said there are hidden portals in the Earth’s magnetic field...... so I wonder how that could affect a hologram?

Quote: After more than 30 years of research, my colleagues and I have announced a milestone discovery in astrophysics—the first experimentally resolved and unequivocal site of collision—less magnetic reconnection, in which magnetic field energy is converted into energetic particles,” Scudder says. “When this process occurs, previously separated volumes of space become interconnected by magnetic fields, providing new highways for the prompt interchange of high temperature gases.”
http://now.uiowa.edu/2012/05/astronomical-illumination

And I do believe or should I say "know" that there is an alternate reality that runs alongside ours.... I know this from experiences. How many different ones there are I don’t know, but I imagine if there is one then there could be multiple alternate realities into infinity.

And, btw I believe the universe is also self aware.

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« Reply #19 on: Jul 6th, 2012, 3:46pm »

The Greatest Ever Lighthouse Mystery- Eilean Mor, 1900

The Flannen Islands are a group of uninhabited rocks about 20 miles west of Lewis the Outer Hebrides. They represent a danger to shipping and so in 1899 the Northern Lighthouse Board erected a white brick tower 75 feet in height on the northern side of the largest rock, Eilean Mor, its light being at an elevation of over 300 feet.

The light was a white flash every thirty seconds, sufficiently powerful to be seen at a distance of 20 miles.

Eilean Mor is a treeless rock about 300 yards wide and 600 yards long, rising to 285 feet near the north end. Apart from the lighthouse the only structures are two bothies of Clan McPhail listed by the Ancient Monuments Commission. The rock is believed to be haunted.

Four men made up the permanent staff of the installation: Marshall, Ducat, Moore and McArthur. They worked a roster which involved three men manning the lighthouse while the fourth was ashore on leave. At the time of the tragedy, Keeper Moore was on rostered leave scheduled for the 6th to the 20th December 1900.

There was no means of communication between the lighthouse and the shore. Roderick MacKenzie, a gamekeeper at Uig, had been appointed by the Lighthouse Commissioners to look out daily for signals from Eilean Mor, and to note each night whether the light could be seen or not.

From his Returns Book, it was established that the tower was not seen, even using a powerful telescope, between the 7th and 29th December: the light was seen on the 12th, but not again until the 26th.

On the night of 15th December 1900, the S.S. Archtor narrowly escaped running on the rocks near Eilean Mor because the light was not visible. Captain Holman notified his managers of the outage, but they failed to inform the Lighthouse Board.

The return of Keeper Moore from leave was delayed until 26th December when he arrived at Eilean Mor aboard the supply vessel Hesperus. Upon the approach it was observed that no preparations had been made for the tender's arrival: no empty packing cases or mooring ropes were ready at the jetty, and so Keeper Moore was sent ashore to scout with Superintendent Muirhead.

The first thing they noticed was that the iron railings stretching from the crane platform up the tramway to the lighthouse had been displaced and twisted by some tremendous force "in a manner difficult to believe unless seen" (Muirhead to the Board of Enquiry).

The lighthouse was situated well back from the cliff and so spared the worst of the weather. Moore and Muirhead found the main door and entrance gate to the lighthouse closed and the boat correctly stowed. The interior of the lighthouse was neat and orderly except that the kitchen door was open and a chair with a uniform jacket draped over its back lay overturned to one side of the table.

The window of the kitchen gave a view over the sea to the north, but it was not possible to see the waterfront, and nor would shouting carry up from the waterfront below to be heard in the kitchen.

The table had been laid for a meal, and items of food were ready. From a rack in the passage two sets of boots and oilskins were absent, a third set was hanging from a peg. There was no sign of the three lighthouse keepers Marshall, Ducat and McArthur.

The lantern wicks had been cleaned and trimmed and the lamps filled with oil ready to be lit after dark. A slate had been chalked with the barometric reading and temperature for 15 December 1900, and also on the slate was the hour when the lanterns were o be extinguished next morning, but had not been lit, and so what had befallen the keepers had occurred before lighting up time on 15 December 1900.

The lighthouse log book lay open on the kitchen table, and Muirhead and Moore pored over the relevant entries.

"12 December. Gale N by W. Sea lashed to fury. Never seen such a storm. Waves very high. Tearing at lighthouse. Everything shipshape. James Ducat irritable.
Later: Storm still raging, wind steady. Stormbound. Cannot go out. Ship passing sounding fog horn. Could see lights of cabins. Ducat quiet. McArthur crying.
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Upon seeing this entry the two men exchanged glances, for no severe storm had been reported at Lewis, only 20 miles away, during the period. The reference to Ducat being irritable and then quiet, and McArthur crying, were not matters normally entered into the logbook, which was for technical matters peraining to the lighthouse.

"13th December: Storm continued through night. Wind shifted, W by N. Ducat quiet, McArthur praying.
Later: Noon, grey daylight. Marshall, Ducat and McArthur prayed.
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At the Board of Enquiry hearing, Keeper Moore gave evidence that he had never known any of the three men to pray. They were all experienced seamen and he could not conceive that their fear of a storm while ashore in a well-built brick lighthouse would have suddenly turned them all to religion.

There was no entry for the 14th December.

"15th December: Storm ended; sea calm. God is over all."

The Northern Lighthouse Board enquiry concluded that the three men must have been washed away by a monstrous wave. This was widely considered unsatisfactory because the sea conditions at all material times were placid, and if there had been such a terrible emergency, why did the lighthouse keeper in the kitchen stop to shut the lighthouse door and entrance gate behind him on his way down to the waterfront.

My Solution

For an uncertain period from 12th December 1900, Eilean Mor was lashed by a northerly gale of such tremendous force and fury that the three lighthousemen, all experienced seafarers, had never seen its like before. The waves "tore at the lighthouse" which stood well back from the northern cliff at a height of 250 feet. What type of storm could do that?

No storm was reported anywhere in the region. From the lighthouse, a ship was seen passing, and this is the clue to solving the mystery. The ship was calmly sailing past the lighthouse, cabin lights on, and sounding its fog horn. It was not hove-to towards the north, desperately trying to ride out the terrible hurricane.

Therefore, that ship was in fog and the lighthouse was in a hurricane, a meterological impossibility. As soon as the three keepers saw that ship they knew they were doomed. That is why they were all praying. If you are on an island or ship - like the Marie Celeste - when it dematerializes into the adjacent dimension, when the island or ship returns, you will not return with it.

For all her life, James Ducat's daughter tried to unravel the mystery of Eilean Mor. If I had been James Ducat, I would rather that my daughter lived and died with the "monstrous wave" theory rather than know what really happened to me.
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JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS...
FIRST OF ALL ...OHRDRUF IS AN OLD MEMBER WHOM IS FLUENT IN SEVERAL LANGUAGES...TWO OF WHICH ARE GERMAN AND ENGLISH...MOREOVER,HE MAKES HIS LIVING BY TRANSLATING WORLD WAR II SECRET/TOP SECRET/AND THE LIKE DOCUMENTS WHICH CLEARLY PUTS HIM IN THE LOOP TO ACTUALLY KNOW A NUMBER OF ITEMS WHICH TOOK PLACE PRIOR/DURING/POST WWII...
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MANY CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH ORHDRUF HAVE BEEN MOST INFORMATIVE...MOST IMPORTANTLY HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF CONJECTURES WHICH COMPOUNDED WITH INSIDE DATA LEFT ME WITH LITTLE REFUTE AND QUITE ENLIGHTENED...
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 6th, 2012, 7:49pm »

Top secret WWII information? Foo Fighters? I have hassled with several FOIA request forms in an effort to crack into some of that gun camera footage.

Nada. Not even an apology or refusal. Since those things are so well documented, and WWII is headed towards a century old footnote, I'm beginning to get curious about the lack of any response.

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Many thanks for your kind remarks. The point about these Nazi technologies is that they did not simply cease to exist at the defeat but were brought to South America. The technologies are based on unknown areas of science. The first successful operational use was at Omaha Beach on 6 June 1944. Nazi scientists could not simply have just stumbled on the principles, they must have been given them in a pact. For these reasons, applications under the FOI Act are unlikely to ever bear fruit. I have had two books and several papers censored by the powers that be for that reason. Although irritating, it proves one is on the right track.
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« Reply #23 on: Jul 7th, 2012, 9:19pm »

I've figured as much. I've known for a long time that there had to be a reason for my requests to be ignored. That's the frustrating part. They're not denied, but ignored.

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« Reply #24 on: Jul 8th, 2012, 09:17am »

While searching through twitter tonight I came upon this and thought it relevant to the subject of this thread. smiley

Vile Vortices

Explaining the Vile Vortices

By definition, the Vile Vortices would be miserable whirlers but actually they are twelve vertex points of a planetary grid (see Figure 1) originally plotted by Ivan T. Sanderson, a naturalist and paranormal investigator. Sanderson first coined the term, “Vile Vortices”1 in his article “The Twelve Devil’s Graveyards Around the World” (Saga magazine, 1972).

The best-known Vile Vortices are the Bermuda Triangle, the Dragon’s Triangle (Devil's Sea), and the South Atlantic Anomaly. However, each of these twelve geographic areas is credited with instances of magnetic anomalies and other unexplained phenomena.

Read more @ http://www.paranormal-encyclopedia.com/v/vile-vortices/
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« Reply #25 on: Jul 8th, 2012, 10:56am »

Hi Pen,

There are way more areas of magnetic variation than that. Have you ever seen one of these models?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Magnetic_Field_Earth.png

And that's just a crude one, showing only the highest levels of variation. We have one here that is caused by the Molybdenum Ore content in the old Tubal Caine Mines in Iron Mountain. One peak and it creates a 23 degree standard variation in compass readings. Bangor Undersea Warfare Base was built just off the Hood Canal, because it is only twenty miles away as the Crow flies.

How about one of these?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Geodynamo_Between_Reversals.gif

They give you a good idea about how the field works. Anywhere that the field permeates the crust will have anomalies. Then you have this issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_jerk

Which only serves to complicate matters. And many other entities will cause magnetic anomalies, compass spikes and failures, radio signal blackouts, power grid failures ..... the list is fairly long, but many things on it are well known. Lightning and Solar Flares are excellent examples.

What they might indicate, cause, and do covers quite a range, and are the subject of much debate. All I'm trying to do here is point out that the world's two famous triangles are nothing special. These things are everywhere.

What they might mean or indicate, if anything at all, is an area needing much more research, and will be a valid subject to debate for a long time to come most likely. Tesla proved that they really can generate electricity if matched with the right equipment.

You should be able to watch them in action within the next few nights as this latest CME slips around the field. I understand the one on the 4th was pretty big:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOWNrXhiUJE

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html

But every CME in the last century and a half was a piker compared to the one in 1859.

This might be the accurate details of the tales surrounding places like Bermuda, but details is all they are. What those can't do is tell us whether or not phenomena will result around these puppies when things are active. But I have a hunch that their finding the Higgs Boson will do much to help in this arena. It's a fascinating subject which is fun to debate and speculate about, but we could really use some research breakthroughs regarding this issue of very little more than theory. Even electricity, which we use everyday, is nothing but theory for the most part. And it's probably the phenomenon we understand best from the list of such associated with these regions.

We have many people on these boards who are extremely knowledgeable regarding what a massive mystery this represents. I'm sure one of them can jump in here for a moment to verify this. I have a hunch we may solve the launch issue by utilizing this phenomenon. Just look at where Puma Punku is on a map and you can see that something might have been involved with something unique involving the field long ago.

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« Reply #26 on: Sep 21st, 2012, 08:28am »

A fully detailed addition I made several years ago into the Wikipaedia - Phantom Island - Aurora Islands section, my contribution being based on the primary Spanish Navy evidence from 1806, has been deleted in full, leaving a miserable mundane stub.

A group known as the "Falkland Islands Work Group" is active on Wikipaedia. Its alleged purpose is as a standards monitor but I think its motives are more political than literary. I suspect them for the deletion.

I only mention this at all because I notice that the Falklands Islands Oil and Gas Drilling Exploration has licences to drill in the waters far east of East Falkland and at the precise location where the inconstant Aurora Islands were visited by a Spanish barque warship in 1762, and a Spanish warship in 1794, since when all three islands have disappeared.

This region might be the South Atlantic Anomaly plotted by Sanderson to which Luvey refers two posts above.

How dangerous would it be to drill for oil and gas at a location where there is a known time/space anomaly?

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« Reply #27 on: Sep 24th, 2012, 3:02pm »

That's pretty standard for Wiki. If you're not a part of the club, you don't get to edit. So just watch for inaccuracies and inconsistencies. They definitely have their share.

I don't see why it should be all that dangerous to drill where there's an anomaly, as compared to elsewhere. Did you check any of those links I posted that illustrates how the field works? These locations often shift, vary in strength, do all sorts of strange things. NASA recently discovered magnetic portals:

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/hiddenportalsscientists.php#.UGC7_vc2inN

Have you heard about this yet?

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on Sep 24th, 2012, 3:02pm, icepick wrote:
That's pretty standard for Wiki. If you're not a part of the club, you don't get to edit. So just watch for inaccuracies and inconsistencies. They definitely have their share.

I don't see why it should be all that dangerous to drill where there's an anomaly, as compared to elsewhere. Did you check any of those links I posted that illustrates how the field works? These locations often shift, vary in strength, do all sorts of strange things. NASA recently discovered magnetic portals:

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/hiddenportalsscientists.php#.UGC7_vc2inN

Have you heard about this yet?

Tim



ICE, I was hoping bonehead would or could have responded to this report, this "stuff" that is beyond what we understand, has been A interest to me, as you also.

ICE does still post his thoughts.
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very interesting... maybe that is why I feel so much UFO activity here on the islands.. I live on the canaries.. Crazy!
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