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« Reply #30 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 3:17pm »

You could well be right about Wendelle.I spoke to him at a conference in Leeds several years ago.He told me that he knew Paul Villa well and he assured me that his photos were genuine.
I'm sorry I can't agree with you about George Adamski.I am certain that he was indeed the contactee.I have one of his books and have seen much first hand testimony from reliable witnesses who confirm George's contacts.
With regard to the shape of some of the craft looking like conventional objects,I agree that they do.However, if you do a great deal of research as I have done, you will find that photos taken in different parts of the world show very similar craft which, whether we like it or not, means that this is their shape,or perhaps it might be more correct to say that this was their shape,for as we have seen,throughout history they have changed their shape to match contemporary objects.
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 18th, 2008, 3:59pm »

Actually I have a rather very large extensive collection of photos relating to UFOs which look very much like the Adamski saucer taken and seen from all over the world, so I'm not saying that it doesn't exit and I'm well aware of the Admaski witnesses, but, even if Adamski and his witnesses actually have observed phenomenon, which by the way I agree they did during one particular point, it has still come to my attention that he apparently still faked many of his first original photos, but not by using any of the 3 objects which I described earlier, but apparently done a different way. Unfortunately it was quite some time too before I discovered how he did it, and that's when I became convinced that he created faked photos. Apparently some of the objects where created that way not because of Adamski's popularity, but because someone knew something else which they didn't want the public to know.
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 19th, 2008, 03:03am »

I know that it has been said that George Adamski faked some of his photos and that he lost his grip on reality later on in his life. I firmly believe that neither of these assertions are true.
If you take a look at the Fastwalkers video you will find testimony by Alan Tolman who spent time at Mount Palomar with George Adamski along with other government officials and scientists.Alan Tolman describes seeing a scout craft type ufo appearing a couple of hundred yards from where he was standing.It does not make sense to me that George would fake photographs when he obviously had more than enough opportunity to photograph the real thing.
I believe the truth is that the secret government which controls the finances of this world became worried that George was saying too much,and therefore a carefully orchestrated campaign to destroy his credibility was launched.
There is nothing new about this technique. Anyone who provides evidence which is too good for the authorities to stomach will be a target for a campaign of ridicule or even worse.We don't have to look far to find examples.
It's all about the carefully controlled release of information at a pace which does not endanger financial institutions or the world economy at large.
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 19th, 2008, 11:38am »

Jtruthseeker, Hubcap and all,

J, this is a very interesting assertion that you make. That the above posted "Villa", "Slade" and Imshadi photos owe their origins to a film originated by Fry's former wife puts a whole new spin on things. Since you claim to have samples from the Weise film, would it be possible for you to post some of them here?

For one thing, why was Villa trying to pass off these particular photos as his own? Clearly the Villa copies are pretty bad and much worse than the Slade and Imshadi copies posted here - neither of which are "original", if the film story is true. What did Villa have to gain from this blatant subtrefuge? If true, it certainly puts his other claims into question.

As regards Adamski and the "chicken brooder" - I am well aware of the asserted problems with Adamski's photos. I have three of Adamski's books and I have always found his photos to be mostly laughably absurd. The very best of his photos is the one I posted earlier and repeat here:

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If you will notice the three bright highlights on the "landing gear sphere" (light bulb?) to the left, these highlights are not compatible with a large object photographed from a distance. For such a highlight to appear, there would have to be three very large and intense lights or reflective surfaces below the object being photographed. However, with a smaller object, such as a chicken brooder, the scale becomes much more convincing. The intensity of this reflection makes more sense at a smaller scale. For these reasons, along with its asserted resemblance to a chicken brooder, I feel the Adamski photo is most likely a fake.

But this still leaves the above posted photos which perhaps should be attributed to Fry's former wife. Imshadi's explanation still does not convince me. Sorry I.S. If these pics are, in fact, stills from a film, the kind of fakery Imshadi describes becomes much more difficult by a huge factor. If theses pics really are still prints taken from a film, then I am even more inclined to think that they may be valid photos. I would really love to see this film!

Then, of course, there are the numerous other photos of this style of saucer, from many other sources, that perhaps found their prototype with Adamski's "chicken brooder"!? shocked huh Wha...?

JTruthseeker, you have posted some very provocative info here. Please post some samples of your pics here, if possible. If not, then could we have more details of how you came by this story of the film?

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« Reply #34 on: Mar 19th, 2008, 12:24pm »

For one thing, why was Villa trying to pass off these particular photos as his own? Clearly the Villa copies are pretty bad and much worse than the Slade and Imshadi copies posted here - neither of which are "original", if the film story is true. What did Villa have to gain from this blatant subtrefuge? If true, it certainly puts his other claims into question.

How do you know that he claimed the photo?
Who knows for sure,but in my opinion,I feel it very unlikely that Paul Villa ever claimed the above mentioned photo.Either it is a simple mistake by Casebook or the person who supplied the photo,or a deliberate attempt to cause confusion and thereby blacken Paul Villa's name.
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« Reply #35 on: Mar 19th, 2008, 1:58pm »

on Mar 19th, 2008, 12:24pm, HUBCAP9 wrote:
How do you know that he claimed the photo?


Because you posted it that way and attributed it to him?

I am only going by what has been posted on this thread here.
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« Reply #36 on: Mar 19th, 2008, 4:47pm »

OK about posting pics, I'm not sure how to do this here yet, etc. Perhaps someone can give suggestions.

Now about the vid-clip, right now I have this with me as a vob file and I'm hoping to post it up on YouTube for everyone to see, but I think you need a certain file format to post things up on YouTube, which I've also got to figure out.

Now about the Adamski witnesses at Mt Palomar, as I mentioned before, sure there were witnesses, however I'm not fully convinced yet that what they saw was the same object as what Adamski took photos of, because I seem to recall Adamski did not take photos of the UFOs on the day when the witnesses were present.

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« Reply #37 on: Mar 20th, 2008, 03:36am »

on Mar 19th, 2008, 1:58pm, bonehead wrote:
Because you posted it that way and attributed it to him?

I am only going by what has been posted on this thread here.


My apologies Bonehead, so I did.Must be more careful how I word things in the future. wink
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« Reply #38 on: Mar 20th, 2008, 1:17pm »

Those photos remained me of nazi ufo Haunebu II

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« Reply #39 on: Mar 20th, 2008, 10:32pm »

You're not very far off. From what I've been able to make out so far is; A secret group of Germans during and after World war 2 known as the Thule society where the ones actually responsible. Had not the allies invaded Germany when they did, the Nazi's probably would have succeeded in their plans for world domination, instead about a thousand of them had escaped to a hidden place in Brazil, supposedly to an ancient ruin site called Akakor near the Peruvian boarder where they formed an alliance with a group of natives there called the Ugha Mongulala, if I recall correctly. But they were not alone, they had assistance from a rather secret Earth bound group of former ETs called the Baffath, located in the underground of the Gizeh in Egypt. About 2 years after the war, a second group of escaped Nazi's were said to have escaped to an area of the south pole called Neuschwabenland where a fleet of allied ships under the command of Admiral Byrd were sent to seek them out and destroy in what became known as Operation High-jump, but in time Admiral Byrd fail under their influence of the Baffath while on a plane scouting out the area. Byrd and his flight crew had actually believed that they had come into contact with people living from in the inner Earth, the very same group of Aryans which Hitler himself at one point had sought to find. Meanwhile the Germans were able to successfully fight off the allied ships until about 10 years later when the USA supposedly decided to nuke them with one or two nukes. In 1952, both the Baffath and X-Germans from Brazil had decided to initiate open contact with a veriety of individuals across the USA and Great Briton under the guise of calling themselves Venusians. Meanwhile the Baffath which had now apparently spit into two separate factions, both prepared a campaign of their own to initiate religious apparitions to appear over the heads of thousands of religious believers while the Germans worked at drawing together large crowds of people with their selected chosen, most of whom became will known icons of the UFO seen during the 1950s, to around the mid 1960s and even later. That should cover most of the basics anyway, although I'm always finding more.
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« Reply #40 on: Mar 21st, 2008, 4:43pm »

Some of this what you brought up are very new things to me and some facts are different of well known.
However some connection should be between Nazi UFOs and those photos and even later UFOs with Haunebu III and IV.


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« Reply #41 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 09:22am »

I am "a Bruce Smith" referred to in James Truthseekers' message about the photo, submitted by Imshadi on 10/31/07, with the damage on it. Here is what was said by James Truthseeker: -Bill McDonald who received the photo submitted to him by a Bruce Smith on 08/09/2003.
-Bruce Smith who took it from Gerry also in 2003.
If Mr. Truthseeker was just that he would know that I did NOT "TAKE" this photo from anyone other than the person that I got the actual photo from. When I submitted it to Bill McDonald I explained to him that this photo was found in an old Bible, by my sister, belonging to her husband. He was not sure where it came from but the Bible came from his father. Since his father had passed he is unable to get any info on it. Since then many people have laid claim to it on Mr. McDonald's site. I do not care! What I do care about is that Mr. Truthseeker is saying that I "took" it from someone. This is ludicrous! Mr. Truthseeker should live up to his name!!!
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« Reply #42 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 4:17pm »

No I am not lying, I seem to remember hearing that myself from a Gerry that he is the person you got it from since the photo was originally posted at "UFO database.com" and just to prove my case, how else would have Jerry pulled the photo off of Bill McDonald's site when Bill in fact had at the time disabled the download feature of photos from his site along with stamping on the the photo the words "alienUFOart.com" as can also still be seen here with another photo he posted from Paul Villa, but without the .
http://www.alienufoart.com/NewUFO.htm
I see Bill has now either removed the photo or hid it somewhere else on his site. In any case Bruce Smith, even though UFO database is no longer existing now, here is still a link to it that which can be found to the original site through internet archives.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040803184753/http://www.ufodatabase.com/photos/unknown.asp
Let's face it Bruce Smith, you are caught with your pants down! But don't feel bad, because according to some it's further possible that you or Gerry got the photo from Neil Slade. http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/BrozUFO.html

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« Reply #43 on: Sep 24th, 2008, 9:01pm »

Hi James,

Did you ever figure out how to convert VOB files into something you can upload to YouTube ? Another possibility is simply to upload the VOB file as is onto "Rapidshare" or "4shared"

If you still don't know how to do that, maybe I can help.
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« Reply #44 on: Sep 25th, 2008, 05:06am »

Greetings ufoscan,

I did in fact find away to get this put into a WMV and then into an MPG file to bring it down into smaller size. Perhaps I can send it to the moderator here of this group to post here for everyone to view. I'm a little hesitant though in trying to post it up on Youtube if there is anyone else out there who has any copyright claims to it. Unfortunately I can only send the smaller one in size which unfortunately is going to be a little less clear then an already unclear piece of film footage. Keep in mind it already is in reverse mirror image to the still frames taken from it. Interestingly enough I more recently saw a clip of it aired on a recent Canadian UFO TV documentary from which I could see someone had tried to digitally go over and fix up the segment, so I'm obviously not the only person who has this.

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