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« Reply #15 on: Dec 7th, 2012, 02:49am »

There is no evidence to any allegations made on meier on the space gun, Asket-Nera Photo & dinosaur photo. If any evidence existed, it is half-baked, silly & nothing but claims with no evidence. If anybody is interested to go into it, being a person who digged deep into the case, i would love to talk anything on meier case.
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 7th, 2012, 1:30pm »

on Dec 7th, 2012, 02:49am, mahigitam wrote:
There is no evidence to any allegations made on meier on the space gun, Asket-Nera Photo & dinosaur photo. If any evidence existed, it is half-baked, silly & nothing but claims with no evidence. If anybody is interested to go into it, being a person who digged deep into the case, i would love to talk anything on meier case.


Meier did indeed claim to have a 'space gun' from the Pleadians and even shot it at a tree near his property.
And the pics/drawings of Semjase and the dinosaur most certainly were faked and came out of various books.
Meier claimed in the past regarding these obvious hoaxes that he was 'framed'.
The claims with no evidence are from Meier imo since he has never proven his case with any objective evidence unless one thinks his ufo pics are good evidence.
It's a non case for me and a waste of time to bother with this sham when the ufo area is already full of confusion.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 8th, 2012, 01:01am »

I am still waiting for someone to explain how this one-armed man with a sixth grade education was able to:

1) Capture awesome UFO photos (on Film)
2) Take videos of UFO's, again on tape and BEFORE home computers
3) Come up with a metal sample that stumped a professional Lab
4) Record a UFO and have the recording analysed by a sound engineer that could come up with NO IDEA of how the sounds on it were even made.

Yet people say he had a toy gun, so EVERYTHING must be fake...LOL yeah right!

I am waiting...
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 8th, 2012, 06:31am »

on Dec 8th, 2012, 01:01am, Mythos wrote:
I am still waiting for someone to explain how this one-armed man with a sixth grade education was able to:

1) Capture awesome UFO photos (on Film)
2) Take videos of UFO's, again on tape and BEFORE home computers
3) Come up with a metal sample that stumped a professional Lab
4) Record a UFO and have the recording analysed by a sound engineer that could come up with NO IDEA of how the sounds on it were even made.

Yet people say he had a toy gun, so EVERYTHING must be fake...LOL yeah right!

I am waiting...


It's very simple. None of those things you mention are taught in school. Also, what does his education have to do with others jumping on the bandwagon supporting his claims?
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 8th, 2012, 10:20am »

Some people are not at all troubled by the undeniable, proven fakery attempted by their heroes. As long as there are things they think haven't been sufficiently explained, then some of what the hero says is true. It's not the kind of thinking that will get one anywhere in the real world, but then this is the paranormal end of the Internet, so pretty much anything goes.
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 9th, 2012, 04:02am »

on Nov 9th, 2012, 03:29am, Dolf wrote:
There is one thing that really bothers me on his claims, which is the fact he states he is the only one real contactee on Earth! And that I know it's not true!

You seem to have been either misinformed or misunderstood. Meier just claimed that he is the only person who is having ongoing face-to-face, conscious, physical contacts with PLEJAREN ETs & also to be enrolled on a mission. At the same time he also mentioned that there were many Plejaren contactees(tibetan monks, Parish priest-Zimmerman, Ex-UN diplomat-Phobal Chang,....etc) and this list of contactees has been mentioned in several of the contact reports. The type of relationship between (Meier-Plejaren) & (Other contactees-Plejaren) are just different on the level of communication & quantity.

on Nov 28th, 2012, 11:13am, drwu23 wrote:
To me what's interesting is his past when he was a 'mercenary' and traveled in India and spent time with some gurus and some fakirs and it was said that he learned many of their tricks. This was in Light Years by Gary Kinder, one of the first to write a book on Meier.


I am sorry, i too own the book- 'Light Years' and i don't remember reading the 'gurus, fakirs tricks being learned by billy on his trip to india'. Could you provide the page number of that info ?

Besides, if such a thing is being mentioned at all in the book, what are these tricks and how would these tricks be helpful in faking UFO photos, audio, videos, metal samples & prophecies/predictions ?

on Aug 6th, 2012, 4:39pm, drwu23 wrote:
But that's just it..no expert has ever seen the negatives. He has only shared them with people on the inside. Many have asked for original negs over the last 30 years so they can make an honest eval but no one gets any.
I can't answer the Super 8 question except to say perhaps he has had help over the years...or he used a tripod. I'm sure this has been addressed by those skeptical of his claims.


Unfortunately the original negatives & slides were either stolen, manipulated or lost over the years. Go through the following link and see for yourself how the negatives/slides, 8 mm film & metal samples were lost or manipulated or stolen by outsiders.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kXgecYsABZknbq87BXVlnXg6t9XoYLMMj7jGrss3zgM?feat=directlink

You don't need to have the original negatives/slides to come to a reasonable conclusion in this issue. Going through the available evidence, testimonies of photograph experts, scientists, labs which developed the negatives/slides, investigators,.. - it is reasonable to conclude that meier has no means(resources, time, logistics, motive,..) to "fake" photos/films(first or second or next generation prints) which could not be detected by the state-of-the-art labs around the world. We can talk on this photo/film evidence on a dedicated thread if anyone is interested.

All the theories/attempts by "skeptics/debunkers" have failed and doesnot satisfy all the requirements of a setup that is being needed to test the hypothesis that meier faked his photos & films which often gets neglected by biased "skeptics".

on Aug 6th, 2012, 4:39pm, drwu23 wrote:
But the dinosaur pic which was shown to come from a book, the Semjase pics which were traced to a catalog and a tv show, the silver ufos with the silver ball rims which looked like his trash cans. etc have all been clearly shown to be fakes. So how does one accept the other pics and claims when clearly some are hoaxed?


SEMJASE PICS:
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Do you mean the Asket-Nera pictures when you are referring to "Semjase pics" ? Because there are no semjase pics ever taken by meier and released to public.

DINOSAUR PICS:
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Here is how i deal with this issue. First i would ask myself these questions & if i don't know any answers or have insufficient evidence against meier, then i would throw away the claim that meier lifted off the photo from a book and claimed that he photographed a dinosaur.

Was the dinosaur pic roaming the internet claiming to be photographed by meier, ever photographed by meier ?
Did meier or FIGU ever publish the dinosaur pic in any official books claiming it as an authentic photo since 1975?
Did meier or FIGU ever say anything on the authenticity of the dinosaur pic since 1975 ?

From my research, i abandoned the hypothesis that was putforth by these so-called "skeptics" who has no evidence at all except their own claims. Since you are already claiming that meier lifted off the photo from the book. Can you provide your evidence and reasoning as to how you had come to such a conclusion ?


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"the silver ufos with the silver ball rims which looked like his trash cans. etc have all been clearly shown to be fakes."

'..clearly shown to be fakes..' ? HOW & by WHOM ?
Did they meet the criteria required to show that the WCUFO to be nothing but an object made out of household & some mechanical items ?
I doubt so and there is abundance evidence that all the claims by "skeptics" does not hold up and that they have utterly failed in proving their claims but somehow they have obviously gathered enough supporters to repeat their mantra without giving it a critical thought.


on Dec 7th, 2012, 1:30pm, drwu23 wrote:
The claims with no evidence are from Meier imo since he has never proven his case with any objective evidence unless one thinks his ufo pics are good evidence.
It's a non case for me and a waste of time to bother with this sham when the ufo area is already full of confusion.


There is already sufficient evidence in this case to come to a fair conclusion. Have you ever looked into his prophecies/predictions that have been corroborated years/decades later ?

If you or anyone hasn't yet, then take a look here:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Will_Humanity_Wake_Up%E2%80%A6In_Time%3F&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 9th, 2012, 06:12am »

Excellent comeback mahigitam you seem well versed in Billy, you are correct in the skeptic repetitiveness yet no evidence is ever put forward backing their claims so they resort to bullying their point of view using such tactics as ridicule .I myself are no expert especially with photographs but as you stated I do not need to be an expert as there are many working for labs that with their expertise could tell if the photos are fake or not yet no such evidence has been put forward only denial that what we are seeing is fake.
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 9th, 2012, 08:51am »

Hi mahigitam, you do know a lot of the history of Meier. However I do not equate that to being able to verify what he claims is true. I can point you to numerous critiques of his videos, etc. and you will say they are not correct for various reasons and I will counter ......

I'll simply say I do not believe any of Billy Meier's outer world claims or his significance as some prophet. We can agree to disagree. smiley

I am curious however as to your opinion of George Adamski and his claims. This is not ridicule as some here would want you to think. I see parallels between Meier and Adamski and am interested what may make one more believable or valid. Knowing how you perceive Adamski's story could give me a better understanding of why Meier should warrant some credibility.
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 9th, 2012, 11:39am »

on Dec 9th, 2012, 04:02am, mahigitam wrote:
You seem to have been either misinformed or misunderstood. Meier just claimed that he is the only person who is having ongoing face-to-face, conscious, physical contacts with PLEJAREN ETs & also to be enrolled on a mission. At the same time he also mentioned that there were many Plejaren contactees(tibetan monks, Parish priest-Zimmerman, Ex-UN diplomat-Phobal Chang,....etc) and this list of contactees has been mentioned in several of the contact reports. The type of relationship between (Meier-Plejaren) & (Other contactees-Plejaren) are just different on the level of communication & quantity.



I am sorry, i too own the book- 'Light Years' and i don't remember reading the 'gurus, fakirs tricks being learned by billy on his trip to india'. Could you provide the page number of that info ?

Besides, if such a thing is being mentioned at all in the book, what are these tricks and how would these tricks be helpful in faking UFO photos, audio, videos, metal samples & prophecies/predictions ?



Unfortunately the original negatives & slides were either stolen, manipulated or lost over the years. Go through the following link and see for yourself how the negatives/slides, 8 mm film & metal samples were lost or manipulated or stolen by outsiders.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kXgecYsABZknbq87BXVlnXg6t9XoYLMMj7jGrss3zgM?feat=directlink

You don't need to have the original negatives/slides to come to a reasonable conclusion in this issue. Going through the available evidence, testimonies of photograph experts, scientists, labs which developed the negatives/slides, investigators,.. - it is reasonable to conclude that meier has no means(resources, time, logistics, motive,..) to "fake" photos/films(first or second or next generation prints) which could not be detected by the state-of-the-art labs around the world. We can talk on this photo/film evidence on a dedicated thread if anyone is interested.

All the theories/attempts by "skeptics/debunkers" have failed and doesnot satisfy all the requirements of a setup that is being needed to test the hypothesis that meier faked his photos & films which often gets neglected by biased "skeptics".



SEMJASE PICS:
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Do you mean the Asket-Nera pictures when you are referring to "Semjase pics" ? Because there are no semjase pics ever taken by meier and released to public.

DINOSAUR PICS:
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Here is how i deal with this issue. First i would ask myself these questions & if i don't know any answers or have insufficient evidence against meier, then i would throw away the claim that meier lifted off the photo from a book and claimed that he photographed a dinosaur.

Was the dinosaur pic roaming the internet claiming to be photographed by meier, ever photographed by meier ?
Did meier or FIGU ever publish the dinosaur pic in any official books claiming it as an authentic photo since 1975?
Did meier or FIGU ever say anything on the authenticity of the dinosaur pic since 1975 ?

From my research, i abandoned the hypothesis that was putforth by these so-called "skeptics" who has no evidence at all except their own claims. Since you are already claiming that meier lifted off the photo from the book. Can you provide your evidence and reasoning as to how you had come to such a conclusion ?


Wedding Cake UFO(WCUFO):
-----------------------
"the silver ufos with the silver ball rims which looked like his trash cans. etc have all been clearly shown to be fakes."

'..clearly shown to be fakes..' ? HOW & by WHOM ?
Did they meet the criteria required to show that the WCUFO to be nothing but an object made out of household & some mechanical items ?
I doubt so and there is abundance evidence that all the claims by "skeptics" does not hold up and that they have utterly failed in proving their claims but somehow they have obviously gathered enough supporters to repeat their mantra without giving it a critical thought.




There is already sufficient evidence in this case to come to a fair conclusion. Have you ever looked into his prophecies/predictions that have been corroborated years/decades later ?

If you or anyone hasn't yet, then take a look here:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Will_Humanity_Wake_Up%E2%80%A6In_Time%3F&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop


IMO all of those claims you make that support Meier have been successfully countered many times online and by those who have spent a great deal of time looking into this.,,, but I suspect you already know this.

I'll try to find that page number but I'm certain Kinder talked about Meier's extended India trip, his mercenary work, and that he spent time with some gurus at one of their ashrams.

ps: I have spent too much time over the years arguing this with other Meier fans so I have no intention of doing it again......I equate this, in a way, with belief in God and Jesus and relgion in general in that those who want to believe will no matter what the evidence or logic shows. You obviously are a believer and even if Meier came out today and said it was a hoax I'm betting you would say he was told to say this by his alien contacts.
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« Reply #24 on: Dec 15th, 2012, 11:58pm »

on Dec 9th, 2012, 08:51am, Katterfelto wrote:
I see parallels between Meier and Adamski and am interested what may make one more believable or valid. Knowing how you perceive Adamski's story could give me a better understanding of why Meier should warrant some credibility.
Thanks.


I haven't looked into the Adamski's case as deep as Meier's. So i could not pass any fair judgement on that as of now. Other than what is available on the adamski's story in the meier case, i know little relatively. Adamski's UFO photo(s) are not as convincing as most of the meier's photos. The difference between the quality and quantity of evidence in both cases is so vast that i had spend more time on meier case than any other.
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on Dec 15th, 2012, 11:58pm, mahigitam wrote:
I haven't looked into the Adamski's case as deep as Meier's. So i could not pass any fair judgement on that as of now. Other than what is available on the adamski's story in the meier case, i know little relatively. Adamski's UFO photo(s) are not as convincing as most of the meier's photos. The difference between the quality and quantity of evidence in both cases is so vast that i had spend more time on meier case than any other.


In case you are interested Methi, who claims to be one of Billy Meier's sons, is posting at UFO Evolution.
Check the last few recent pages.
http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/ufo-general-discussion-news/8599-open-letter-billy-meiers-son.html

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on Dec 17th, 2012, 12:15am, Қℓάť wrote:

Er...checked out the last few pages like you said and boy, you are a prolific little poster there aren't you?


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http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/ufo-general-discussion-news/8599-open-letter-billy-meiers-son-7.html

With 15,939 posts...any friends at that site WU? wink grin


I am a friend of doctor Wu at UfoEvolution, Қℓάť, actually that site Members Profile section has each member's friends displayed.


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on Dec 17th, 2012, 12:15am, Қℓάť wrote:

Er...checked out the last few pages like you said and boy, you are a prolific little poster there aren't you?


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http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/ufo-general-discussion-news/8599-open-letter-billy-meiers-son-7.html

With 15,939 posts...any friends at that site WU? wink grin


Been there a long time and one of the regulars.....known some of those folks for many years on various forums. I consider them all friends and I think they feel likewise.

btw...I don't see anyone here championing your cause...assuming you even have one, and those that usually make the comments in the first place, you in this case, are the ones that resemble the remark.

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« Reply #28 on: Dec 17th, 2012, 10:37am »

I picked up Spaceships of the Pleiades: The Billy Meier Story by Kal Korff for my Kindle. It is ripped to shreds in reviews by the Meier believers so I thought it would be an interesting read. I can see why it attracts such attacks because it paints a picture of a complete fraud.

Anyone read this and have opinions on it or suggestions for alternate reading that address "facts"? I'm not interested in the promotion of Meier or his vision of enlightenment - I leave that for religions.

I've seen most of the online critiques of the images (forced perspective, trash can, wedding cake, etc. and have yet to see any real analytical counter arguments.

I had made a comment previously about George Adamski. I wonder - would he be getting the same attention or acceptance today as Meier if he was born 20-30 later and was still around?
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 18th, 2012, 01:13am »

on Dec 17th, 2012, 10:37am, Katterfelto wrote:
I picked up Spaceships of the Pleiades: The Billy Meier Story by Kal Korff for my Kindle.


Well there you go, anything your read by Kal MUST be the truth...LOL

Have a look here: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Kal_Korff
or better yet here: http://kalisanidiot.blogspot.com/

Sorry you wasted your money...

QUOTE: Kal had obviously lied

I guess people will mention whatever supports their opinion, but saying your opinion of the Meier case is based on Kal's words is like saying your opinion of Ocean-life is based on watching Sponge Bob...!

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