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« Reply #30 on: Dec 18th, 2012, 07:20am »

Mythos, did you read and comprehend my post? Or did the name Korff hit a nerve and all else was clouded over? rolleyes

I clearly stated my reason for purchasing his book and was well aware of various opinions on him. My request was for thoughts on the book and objective analysis - not comments about myself or links to personal vendettas against the author.

You assume any opinion I have on this case is based on Korff and you assume wrong. I stated the author's conclusion. As for wasting my money - the reaction it apparently caused was priceless. grin
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 18th, 2012, 9:12pm »

on Dec 18th, 2012, 07:21am, Қℓάť wrote:



WU, if you perchance took the time to read my very first post on page 1 here you would have some semblance of understanding my specifics.

That you deny comprehension is up to you.

Oh, on your 'just an observation,' I really don't have the burning need you apparently do in relating to personal attention vis a vis 'championing my cause.'

You see, personal self-promotion of one's copious elsewhere postings that were 'off the beamship' as it were are simply not interesting or evocative to everyone here, so far that is. And you do have one friend there so far.

I'm not holding my breath, and THATS just MY observation! wink


Yeah...brilliant post there..... difficult to comprehend....deep even. wink

Oh..but you are the one who made the snide comment about friends...did you not? How soon those who shoot off their mouths forget.

And I posted the Meier son connection for people who might want to talk to his son on that thread. Nothing to do with 'self promotion' but again you make another derogatory remark not relevant to anything about the Meier case.

Apparently you really like acting like a jerk.
Oh...that's just another observation.
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 19th, 2012, 07:33am »

on Dec 17th, 2012, 10:47am, titan wrote:
As a long term member of the ARC I champion his cause.

Put that up your bill clinton I did not have sex with that women Monica Lewenski


That's ah.... "SEXUAL RELATIONS" Titan, right?

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« Reply #33 on: Dec 19th, 2012, 09:50am »

on Dec 18th, 2012, 10:23pm, Қℓάť wrote:


Sticks and stones, WU; sticks and stones.

If you wanted to direct us to the long rant of Meier's son, why didn't you post the direct link here?:

"Methi Meier
Personal Blog of Methi Meier"

http://methimeier.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/an-open-letter-to-the-figu/

And that site has a simple more direct way to address Mr. Meier as anyone can see if interested.

Instead, you posted an indirect chat on another site and then told us to go to the pages that just by sheer coincidence prominently display your comments, as if just by chance we wanted to read your input there also.

And the "WU has friends" was meant as a puckish jest, so perhaps you don't grasp the meaning of the playful emoticon smiley-face and winking-face I specifically included so I'm sorry that along with my first post you just didn't get it.

Truth is that I am impressed at the sheer number of posts you have on record there, and I'm likewise glad that purr is one of your friends there. For sure.

So if your maldirected anger isn't quenched by inferring that I am a jerk, well, you could always grab a Snellen and beat me over the head with it in a PM or private UFOCB message, sport. Special Holiday invite. cheesy

No need to flame the rest of the good people here, right?

You take care now,
and Have a Merry Christmas
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P.S. Did you know that Dr. Snellen was a Dutchman? wink


Consider the hatchet buried.
The link to the Meier tale was in the first post in the thread btw....didn't think about linking to the original.
I always thought Snellen was a German....I must have been asleep that day years ago in Optometric history class.



I hope you have a good Christmas also.
ps: Purr recommends the Argentinean Catena cabernet sauvignon 2010 for a wine selection.
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« Reply #34 on: Dec 19th, 2012, 6:15pm »

I do know this; some of Meier's original photos made on film in the mid-70s were forwarded to Kodak in Japan and America.

After studying them, they could find no hint of a hoax.
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« Reply #35 on: Dec 19th, 2012, 7:48pm »

With all due respect to Kodak, I doubt they are qualified to speak of the reality of the filmed material. They could examine the film and camera but that proves very little about the set up of the subject. Would examining the film and camera of a magicians performance reveal the trick (if done right) or prove the trick was not possible?

I'd like to get back to good old George Adamski because I believe if he was around during the new age era and picked up a few vocal supporters he could have been right up there with Billy Meier. Why are his photos, stories, etc. apparently so quickly dismissed even in the UFO community while Meier's are accepted? No one seems to think twice or question he's a hoax?

What method of debunking (or whatever you want to call it) proves Adamski a hoax and Billy Meier not? It's a serious question because I find it interesting trying to understand the criteria for real vs. hoax in these cases.
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« Reply #36 on: Dec 19th, 2012, 9:47pm »

The book Looking for Orthon, by that polarizing character Colin Bennett, is interesting and fun to read. Bennett deconstructs the Adamski case, as he describes the book. It took some cojones to write a book about Adamski that might possibly be considered sympathetic in some philosophical way, since spitting on the ground is required of anyone who mentions his name in ufology circles, but the results are thought provoking. I like Bennett and think he has written a lot of good stuff, but then he's pretty out there in his own way. He was on the Paracast some time in the past year or so, and a lot of what he said seemed to whizz right on past the crew there, but I enjoyed it.

Korff lost his marbles long ago and is currently a sad sack in his own wretched little world, which he created for himself. Part of his psychosis manifests as mean and selfish cruelty, among other sins, so it's hard to feel sorry for him but it's like watching a train wreck. Still, it's amusing to think about his "investigation" of Meier in terms of who the biggest flake was at the time.

If there is anything at all real about Meier's stuff, it has to amount to a lot more than "some of the photos have not been proven fake," in order for it to overcome the fakes and frauds. I understand why you bought the Korff book, Katt, but Meier doesn't need any help (competent or otherwise) to get written off as a phony.
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« Reply #37 on: Dec 19th, 2012, 11:49pm »

on Dec 19th, 2012, 6:15pm, B J Booth wrote:
I do know this; some of Meier's original photos made on film in the mid-70s were forwarded to Kodak in Japan and America.

After studying them, they could find no hint of a hoax.


Why believe Kodak when people can believe Kal?

I am going to be sending you a message over the holidays Mr. Booth, hope you will consider it...
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« Reply #38 on: Dec 20th, 2012, 2:43pm »

on Dec 19th, 2012, 6:15pm, B J Booth wrote:
I do know this; some of Meier's original photos made on film in the mid-70s were forwarded to Kodak in Japan and America.

After studying them, they could find no hint of a hoax.


And what would say hoax if he actually photograped a model craft? It would look genuine as far as the film is concerned so that tells us nothing.
And he never has supplied any investigator with the negatives...never. In Kinder's book Light Years, Kinder took some photes to a NASA/photo expert (this was about 30 years ago..),and he said that without the negatives one could never be certain of anything.
When asked about the actual negatives to all of his pics Meier is evasive or just says they have all been stolen or lost.....isn't that convenient?
I ask again..what's wrong with this picture?
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« Reply #39 on: Dec 20th, 2012, 2:55pm »

For anyone interested......

Let's look at the overall scenario in this case.
Why would very advanced aliens come to earth from allegedly the DAL Universe only to contact an obscure Swiss farmer to spread their message ( a somewhat bizarre one at that if you have read the alleged material about their home world and their 'spirituality')?

What's the agenda of the 'aliens' here? Who's going to really pay attention to Meier? What do the aliens hope to accomplish here?
Why do things that cast doubt on him like allegedly give him a ray gun to shoot and take him on a time travel trip?
Certainly the aliens can see this has done nothing but make Meier a cult figure while the rest of the world either could care less or thinks he's a nut.
So why would presumably superior aliens do any of this?


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on Dec 20th, 2012, 2:43pm, drwu23 wrote:
And what would say hoax if he actually photograped a model craft? It would look genuine as far as the film is concerned so that tells us nothing.
And he never has supplied any investigator with the negatives...never. In Kinder's book Light Years, Kinder took some photes to a NASA/photo expert (this was about 30 years ago..),and he said that without the negatives one could never be certain of anything.
When asked about the actual negatives to all of his pics Meier is evasive or just says they have all been stolen or lost.....isn't that convenient?
I ask again..what's wrong with this picture?
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It's been a while since I read Light Years, but I believe Gary (or perhaps Col. Stevens) went to guy who developed all of the Meier photos and questioned him about his perception of the authenticity of the photos, asking if he saw strings or anything that would lead him to believe the photos were fake(?).

Due the high level of strangness the photos depicted, the Lab guy (or whomever he was) spent a great deal of time revieweing the photos/negatives and could find nothing to suggest a hoax!

Now, I suppose the Kal's of the world will simply say that the Photo Lab guy was in on it with him or was the guy who was savvy enough to manipulate negatives as to remove their strings and such and I have no rebuttel to that except to say, there must be an awful lot of people in Switzerland helping this poor one-armed Farmer with his quest to dupe the world..!

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on Dec 20th, 2012, 2:55pm, drwu23 wrote:
For anyone interested......

Let's look at the overall scenario in this case.
Why would very advanced aliens come to earth from allegedly the DAL Universe only to contact an obscure Swiss farmer to spread their message ( a somewhat bizarre one at that if you have read the alleged material about their home world and their 'spirituality')?

What's the agenda of the 'aliens' here? Who's going to really pay attention to Meier? What do the aliens hope to accomplish here?
Why do things that cast doubt on him like allegedly give him a ray gun to shoot and take him on a time travel trip?
Certainly the aliens can see this has done nothing but make Meier a cult figure while the rest of the world either could care less or thinks he's a nut.
So why would presumably superior aliens do any of this?



Good points, but who would have been a better candidate? A Leader of a country? The president? a military leader? Certainly NOT a religious leader, a millionaire? who? wouldn't a poor person be the perfect choice?

Anyone else is going to have an even MORE SLANTED AGENDA..

It certainly parallels God choosing John and Mary to be the parents of Jesus, no? Why wasn't a King or someone famous choosen?
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« Reply #42 on: Dec 20th, 2012, 3:19pm »

Here's one report I found.

http://archive.org/stream/UfoBillyMeier-PhotoAnalysysReport/UfoBillyMeier-1982-ExtendedReportOfMeierPhotoAnalysis-WendelleCStevens_djvu.txt

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http://archive.org/stream/UfoBillyMeier-PhotoAnalysysReport/UfoBillyMeier-1982-ExtendedReportOfMeierPhotoAnalysis-WendelleCStevens#page/n0/mode/2up

www.theyfly.com (Michael Horn)

I've found nothing from Kodak yet.
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« Reply #43 on: Dec 20th, 2012, 8:21pm »

I recall seeing some analysis of the movie film with a "beamship" in flight, done by Bruce Maccabee in fairly recent times. Others had noted the angle of the ship as it swung back and forth seemed to be consistent with a model on a string. Maccabee studied the motion closely and agreed, the "pendulum" motion was real, even though he could detect no sign of a string or fishing line or whatever.

I'm sure anyone developing Meier's film would look it over closely for signs of fakery, and I'm also sure that such a person would not be a professional photo analyst, or have the specialized equipment needed to make a determination of its authenticity. It's just not what they do. Or did, I guess. smiley I'm also pretty sure that whoever developed the wedding cake film had a good laugh.
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« Reply #44 on: Dec 20th, 2012, 10:23pm »

on Dec 20th, 2012, 3:09pm, Mythos wrote:
It's been a while since I read Light Years, but I believe Gary (or perhaps Col. Stevens) went to guy who developed all of the Meier photos and questioned him about his perception of the authenticity of the photos, asking if he saw strings or anything that would lead him to believe the photos were fake(?).

Due the high level of strangness the photos depicted, the Lab guy (or whomever he was) spent a great deal of time revieweing the photos/negatives and could find nothing to suggest a hoax!

Now, I suppose the Kal's of the world will simply say that the Photo Lab guy was in on it with him or was the guy who was savvy enough to manipulate negatives as to remove their strings and such and I have no rebuttel to that except to say, there must be an awful lot of people in Switzerland helping this poor one-armed Farmer with his quest to dupe the world..!



I have always wondered about the alleged developer of his pics....why should we believe that he did indeed develop all of the pics? But again more importantly where are all the negatives..? If you had genuine pics of alien craft would you manage to lose all the negatives..?
You don't find anything curious about all of this...really..?
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