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« Reply #60 on: Dec 21st, 2012, 5:24pm »

Well, hold on to the seat of your pants because it gets stranger. Enlarge the bottom of the large UFO in those Maslin Beach, Australia images. I see white writing on black that resembles the CARET symbols. It's no coincidence this is all happening on 12/21.
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« Reply #61 on: Dec 21st, 2012, 6:30pm »

Aw man... I had just got myself calmed down from a bad jag of worrying earlier today. The prospect of dealing with Tomi, Numbers, and Michael Horn all at the same time was getting me pretty keyed up. But then that little conspiracy theorist that lives in my head came up with a brilliant solution: Numbers and Horn are the same person. I know. I've always considered my inner conspiracy theorist to be an underachiever, and if I were looking at this from the outside, I'd be quick to label my "insight" a desperate bit of denial, but it's something to cling to and cling to it I will until this situation resolves into something we can at least identify. But now this new wrinkle...

I'll be down at the bar if anybody has something urgent. I miss the Admiral, if for no other reason than I can't impersonate him on the phone and get information that way anymore.
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« Reply #62 on: Dec 21st, 2012, 6:49pm »

I shudder to mention this but to complete the ying yang I wonder who from the drone saga was Kal Korff? shocked
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« Reply #63 on: Dec 21st, 2012, 9:35pm »

on Dec 21st, 2012, 4:43pm, Festivus wrote:
Every now and again, someone in ufology brings up the notion that characters like Billy are being manipulated by unknown beings of unknown abilities, apparently just to screw with us. Sometimes that seems to rank right up there on my list of explanations for what's really going on. It may even be my current favorite. smiley


Vallee touched on this in his book Messengers Of Deception......which is a must read imho. Perhaps an unknown intelligence is screwing with our heads for reasons unknown to us.
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« Reply #64 on: Dec 21st, 2012, 9:41pm »

on Dec 21st, 2012, 2:56pm, Festivus wrote:
I thought since we have some Defenders of the Faith here, we might get some insight into what Meier's followers think of the Wedding Cake. For a long time, I wanted the Meier case to be real, but I finally had to admit there is way too much nonsense and not enough real substance there. I don't have a problem with Billy maybe having some weird experiences, or his being an extraordinary person in some way or other, but instead of evidence to support that, we get more noise and more things like the Wedding Cake, which I have long considered just about the silliest thing I've run across in all of Ufology. Think about that! Some pretty rich territory, for sure!

For the record, Meier is still in my gray basket but pretty far down. At the very least, he and his apologists have some serious explaining to do before they can begin to be taken seriously outside their little world. The fake ray gun and the stolen magazine images are icing on the Wedding Cake, and have to be accounted for as well. I don't see much progress there. smiley



I simply don't understand how anyone can defend those 'wedding cake ' photos. It's the proverbial.....er....'icing on the cake' for me
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« Reply #65 on: Dec 21st, 2012, 9:48pm »

on Dec 21st, 2012, 05:49am, mahigitam wrote:
I am not a photo expert but from looking at the negatives, slides, film & camera..one apparently would be able to guess the size of the object, traces of forgery, manipulation & other anamolies that would have been visible if the originals were manipulated. These would make the hoax theories less credible.
A model craft of 21 feet in size ? Is a model craft of 21 feet in size fit into your theories of hoax ? How would he carry such a big model with all the investigators, ufo enthusiasts running around him and his house in 1975/1976 where he took 1200+ photos? where would he hide these models? How would he hang these models ? who are his accomplices? Why haven't anyone seen any such models till today ? All these questions first need answers before calling the case a hoax.


My understanding is that small models photographed can fool experts if the perspectives are done well....and I have no idea what he did with them.


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Meier wasn't evasive at all. He mentioned the reasons behind the loss of original negatives/slides & also it was fact known to people around meier & also became evident to the investigators first hand when they were taken to a CIA station in london against their will and the photos were copied and the team were given copies of originals. I have already posted the link to a flowchart of how the original evidence was lost/stolen by outside sources.


That all sounds dodgy to me and a really convoluted explanation to cover up his hoaxing.



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All of your questions can be answered easily by yourself if you have read the ETs mission, their directives & the reason behind choosing meier in contact notes.


Why don't you save me a lot of time and explain why the aliens chose him so we can discuss it.



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« Reply #66 on: Dec 22nd, 2012, 03:34am »

on Dec 21st, 2012, 4:40pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Isn't the explanation that those alphabets were influenced by the Plejaren? Maybe even the CARET symbols. grin


LOL! smiley
That or pure and simple plagiarism. Or both! wink
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« Reply #67 on: Dec 24th, 2012, 11:02am »

Hot indeed..kind of like 7 of 9 from Star Trek.
At least Billy has good taste.



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« Reply #68 on: Dec 30th, 2012, 01:46am »

on Dec 21st, 2012, 07:59am, MysterEd wrote:
A few questions for you if you don’t mind.

Did “Kodak” do an analysis on original negatives and camera?


As far as i know, i haven't read that Kodak did any analysis on the photos apart from developing photos from negatives/slides.

on Dec 21st, 2012, 07:59am, MysterEd wrote:
How many other independent labs/experts did analysis? Are their findings available?


JPL, IPL ASU(Arizona State University), DIAL Labs, UofAz(University of Arizona), SDX, DeAnza Computers Company(DACC), ..etc
These are some of the labs which i came across while superficially looking over the analysis reports. Much info about it was published in Preliminary & Supplementary Investigation Report books published by wendelle.
More info here: http://www.theyfly.com/scientific-experts-comments-meiers-evidence

on Dec 21st, 2012, 07:59am, MysterEd wrote:
Were the original negatives used by others doing analysis? I understand some were not available or lost. Who makes the copies of authorized distributed photos and are they made from original negatives?


Again from what i read, wendelle(along with FIGU member) took the original slides to a professional photo studio in Switzerland where they analysed the photos for anamolies & also to develop internegatives from it so that wendelle would take them to USA and analyse their. The originals all were not negatives but slides.

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« Reply #69 on: Dec 30th, 2012, 01:51am »

on Dec 21st, 2012, 9:48pm, drwu23 wrote:
My understanding is that small models photographed can fool experts if the perspectives are done well....and I have no idea what he did with them.



Anybody can be fooled if analysed the photographs with eyes instead of state of the art equipment. That is the reason a scientific analysis require hypothesis & experiments to test that hypothesis and not opinions.
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« Reply #70 on: Dec 30th, 2012, 11:18am »

on Dec 30th, 2012, 01:51am, mahigitam wrote:
Anybody can be fooled if analysed the photographs with eyes instead of state of the art equipment. That is the reason a scientific analysis require hypothesis & experiments to test that hypothesis and not opinions.


Ok..have any premiere authentic reputable groups said they believe his photos are legitimate alien craft etc...?
Do you have a specific link? Amd what about all the stuff that is obviously faked? Is Meier still claiming he was framed?
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« Reply #71 on: Dec 30th, 2012, 2:52pm »

on Dec 30th, 2012, 01:46am, mahigitam wrote:
As far as i know, i haven't read that Kodak did any analysis on the photos apart from developing photos from negatives/slides.

JPL, IPL ASU(Arizona State University), DIAL Labs, UofAz(University of Arizona), SDX, DeAnza Computers Company(DACC), ..etc
These are some of the labs which i came across while superficially looking over the analysis reports. Much info about it was published in Preliminary & Supplementary Investigation Report books published by wendelle.
More info here: http://www.theyfly.com/scientific-experts-comments-meiers-evidence

Again from what i read, wendelle(along with FIGU member) took the original slides to a professional photo studio in Switzerland where they analysed the photos for anamolies & also to develop internegatives from it so that wendelle would take them to USA and analyse their. The originals all were not negatives but slides.


Thanks mahigitam. I cannot find validation that Kodak analyzed slides, film or the camera. You did not bring that up and it just points to the difficulties in obtaining accurate information in many of these older UFO reports.

There is no indication that any photo analysis by others was performed on original slides.

Have you read any of the skeptical articles, books, etc. and their analysis and tried to reconcile them with the subject source and your technical background (if applicable) to draw your own conclusions? I realize some material requires a certain expertise, and not knowing your background, reliance on experts is needed. Unfortunately experts disagree as any major court case demonstrates.

There appear many red flags and inconsistencies - if the records are correct - (timelines, locations, object focus, etc.) that appear to bring into question the authenticity of certain photos. One thing I will say about the Meier story is that there is no lack of study material. This can be both good and bad dependent on what side of the fence one is on. Admittedly, I’ve only scratched the surface in gaining a good understanding of it all.

I've ordered the Supplementary Report and plan to compare its findings with those of the naysayers. BTW, it’s not cheap. laugh Got my eye on a copy of UFO... Contact from the Pleiades, Volume 1 as well but I need to watch the budget.

I want to see what specific material is being questioned, verify the source/background is correct, understand the arguments for and against the claim and then form my conclusion. I see too much deflection into the “noise” areas instead of direct clear counter arguments of the fundamental reasons being presented against authenticity.

Edit Reason: Changed preliminary report to supplementary report. I ended up getting copy No. 22 out of 1000 private printing by the author. Nice collection piece and I have a lot of reading to do! Also, deleted some questions and opinions (for now).
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« Reply #72 on: Jan 4th, 2013, 3:06pm »

on Dec 30th, 2012, 2:52pm, MysterEd wrote:
Got my eye on a copy of UFO... Contact from the Pleiades, Volume 1 as well but I need to watch the budget.


I have this, very cool book, big coffee table size photos..!

http://www.amazon.com/UFO-Contact-Pleiades-Volume-1/dp/0937850020

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« Reply #73 on: Jan 4th, 2013, 3:56pm »

Thanks. I was checking those out along with Ebay.

Here's a non-downloadable viewable version (unless you have a membership) for those interested.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35147565/UFO-Contact-From-the-Pleiades-Vol-1-1979
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« Reply #74 on: Jan 6th, 2013, 02:52am »

on Dec 30th, 2012, 11:18am, drwu23 wrote:
Ok..have any premiere authentic reputable groups said they believe his photos are legitimate alien craft etc...?
Do you have a specific link? Amd what about all the stuff that is obviously faked? Is Meier still claiming he was framed?


I have already posted this in my earlier post:
"JPL, IPL ASU(Arizona State University), DIAL Labs, UofAz(University of Arizona), SDX, DeAnza Computers Company(DACC), ..etc. These are some of the labs which i came across while superficially looking over the analysis reports. Much info about it was published in Preliminary & Supplementary Investigation Report books published by wendelle.
More info here: http://www.theyfly.com/scientific-experts-comments-meiers-evidence"

Preliminary & Supplementary Investigation Report books are each ~500 pages that specifically covers the investigation on meier case, testing of evidence, labs, equipment,...etc. These are books that are available as torrents.
http://torrentz.in/search?f=billy+meier

Without having any background information & relevance, it is hard to continue any discussion.
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