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« Reply #90 on: Jan 8th, 2013, 09:09am »

on Jan 7th, 2013, 3:06pm, MysterEd wrote:
Hi rfraga, I'm starting to dig a little deeper into the messages.
As you said there are issues that makes it very subjective.

There are references about how they are very accurate and ahead of their time. I have not matched the original writings to the claims being made about them. I do not know if they are consistent and based on the original text information alone or helped along by the interpretations of the people trying to promote them. One can make general statements (shotgunning) especially about world affairs, science, etc. and find events that would seem to validate it and snag many believers. Likewise, disproving vague open ended predictions is difficult.

The predictions that give a precise date, name and details need to be proved written before the events. I won't believe someone telling me it's a later re-transmission of a contact made prior to the event(s). How does one determine the real dates some of these predictions were really made?

Anyway, I agree in it being interesting. cool


Actually an astronomer took the time to look into one specific claim of meier on the asteroid Apophis, which is related to astronomy, and the conclusion of this scientist is that it is a retrodiction.

http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/podcast-episode-49-billy-meier-michael-horn-and-asteroid-apophis-prophecy/

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« Reply #91 on: Jan 8th, 2013, 09:20am »

Thanks Photonik, sounds interesting from the 327 comments to the podcast alone. I'll be listening to it later.
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« Reply #92 on: Jan 8th, 2013, 11:52am »

Hey Dolf!!! Whats up buddy? Nice seeing you in this thread since it is a rather good one in my opinion. Both sides have presented good quality arguments with plenty of information and links to support them.
Back to Meier.......I do recall reading some articles in FIGU where Ptah (?) mentioned to Billy that there were others that they had contacted one being the Parker/Hickson case in Pascagoula, Ms. which was more of an abduction. I also read that these Plejarens deliberately fed some false information to Billy for their own reasons whatever that may be. I think that telling him that he was the only Plejaren contactee could have been some of this mis-information......Who or what are they trying to protect? The deeper I get into this case the more it interests me. Col. Wendell Stephens was no slouch of a researcher and he also covered many other contactee cases I have read about. Cheers!
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« Reply #93 on: Jan 9th, 2013, 5:52pm »

His case is a very, very poor hoax with model UFOs all over the country side and small limbs held in front of them on occasion. This was to show the UFO could also be behind a tree. The whole thing is a fake and a typical fake made when FILM was the only medium available. A fake is all this case of meeting with galactic super-beings was and is.
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« Reply #94 on: Jan 10th, 2013, 12:48pm »

I picked up Revelations by Vallee to see what he had to say on Meier since I hadn't read it in a while and Colonel Wendelle Stevens, who some think is the cat's pyjamas, actually told Dr Vallee that Semjase told Meier that she liked to come here also for the women's cosmetics. Seriously..?
And people still take this case at face value..?

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« Reply #95 on: Jan 10th, 2013, 3:17pm »

on Jan 10th, 2013, 12:48pm, drwu23 wrote:
I picked up Revelations by Vallee to see what he had to say on Meier since I hadn't read it in a while and Colonel Wendelle Stevens, who some think is the cat's pyjamas, actually told Dr Vallee that Semjase told Meier that she liked to come here also for the women's cosmetics. Seriously..?
And people still take this case at face value..?

rolleyes


So basically:
1) You are telling us
2) What Col. Stevens told Dr Vallee
3) Of what Billy told Col. Stevens
4. Of what Semjase told Billy

If we could somehow work Kevin Bacon in this we could have that 7-Degrees of Separation thing...
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« Reply #96 on: Jan 10th, 2013, 3:26pm »

Semjase! I remember her. A blond, tall and spoke perfect English behind the bar. Old Semjase, or did she have a different name and work on Wall Street!
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« Reply #97 on: Jan 12th, 2013, 9:01pm »

on Jan 10th, 2013, 3:17pm, Mythos wrote:
So basically:
1) You are telling us
2) What Col. Stevens told Dr Vallee
3) Of what Billy told Col. Stevens
4. Of what Semjase told Billy

If we could somehow work Kevin Bacon in this we could have that 7-Degrees of Separation thing...


And here I thought all the Billy Meier cult believers thought Stevens was the go to man....apparently only when it supports their idea of Billy.
Why is this any less believable than all the other crap Meier spouts?

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« Reply #98 on: Jan 13th, 2013, 09:34am »

on Jan 12th, 2013, 10:19pm, Қℓάť wrote:


I get it...good one, WU! wink


Thank you...but I can only take credit for a bad pun....,
Billy Meier is the real Trickster here.

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« Reply #99 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 12:21am »

on Jan 6th, 2013, 10:46am, drwu23 wrote:
How do the 'prophecies' support anything since anyone could have backtracked to add these things to support them since they were in the possession of the believers?

grin These prophecies are available as parts of information in contact reports, which were & still being published as books(since 1970's) with copyright dates(year of publication) on them. Many people purchased them and even public libraries & UFO libraries have copies of them in their archives. Unless one postulates that all these libraries and persons who bought these books are in the conspiracy, using 'backtracking argument' is a silly, unfounded claim.

on Jan 6th, 2013, 11:30am, MysterEd wrote:
Per the report this was a re-transmission in 1964 - after JFK. Was this re-transmission verified prior to the RFK assassination or is it based on what Meier is telling investigators in the 1970's. In the authors discussion afterwards there is no mention of what has to be a startling accurate foreseeing or recollection from time travel! I wonder why? Is it later in the report? If these contact notes were not proven made prior to the events why should anything in them be believed?/

There was no mention of startling accurate foreseeing because that information was not released or make known to anyone else either in 1956 or 1964, as far as i know(afaik). The contact notes with Asket were only published after 1975. Has Wendelle or FIGU claimed this 1956 prophecies as a part of evidence ? Absolutely no and so one need not have to believe anything at all. It is just information, conversation between 2 persons.

on Jan 6th, 2013, 11:30am, MysterEd wrote:
I have problems with other notes that are date verified. Are they really providing information and theory that is not already known or under study at the time or even prior? Is the material even always correct? Stretching these into prophecy and picking and choosing the hits only is not difficult nor is it any proof they came from Pleiades sources. /

There is somuch of information(24,000 + A4 pages) which falls on all levels of content classification. Some info was already in the speculation stages, some info was not known at all & some info is known to many. What caught my attention was the corroboration of information that was not known to any person on earth at all. And for information that was already in speculation stages, it is phenomenal or impossible for a "common" man to have such high accuracy in predicting, whereby almost all of the speculations he talked about in his CRs were turned out to be true.

on Jan 6th, 2013, 11:30am, MysterEd wrote:
Rigging photo shoots in isolation does not seem impossible. No proof he faked certain things but no proof he did not./

If you have read what the investigators from US, Germany & Japan had to say on the locations, terrain, logistics where Meier allegedly has "staged or rigged" the photos & videos, then you would come to know that this is impossible for a man to stage it. The evidence for Meier 'not faking' far outweighs the evidence for the theory that meier 'faked'.
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« Reply #100 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 01:17am »

on Jan 7th, 2013, 4:53pm, MysterEd wrote:
I'm not so sure of that. I may be wrong but I believe the Pleiades say there are other ET visitors on earth. I recall something in some contact conversations about other contactee's and some possibly being fake. I did not get the impression that other people were not being contacted by other ET or the Pleiades.

You are right, Meier never said that he is the only UFO contactee on earth. Infact he has published a list of UFO contactees which he thinks are genuine & which he thinks are fraud. All this information was available since 1970's as contact reports and to this day people still claim things what meier has never said & meant. May be the members of this thread have missed reading my post on this topic.

on Jan 7th, 2013, 9:13pm, drwu23 wrote:
Yep..the fact he claims this nails it for me that he's a major trickster.

Let us suppose that he told that he was the only true UFO contactee on earth(which he never did in the first place). Now, what evidence do we need to prove Meier was a trickster ?
His own claim ? This is called as 'Circular Reasoning fallacy' taught in logic 101 class.
By Claims which we cannot verify ?
Do we call someone a trickster if he/she claims that he/she is the only person on earth alive who is taller/shorter/faster/richer/stronger/... than the rest ? Most will agree that it is unreasonable to claim anything on the claims of the such persons alone. Most will suggest that we need to put their claims(if testable) to test by measuring their height/strength/money/speed/.. using objective criteria. Can't we do the same thing in Meier's case, by asking for evidence to test his claims ?
IMO if we can prove with strong evidence that there is another person(or case) who is also having contacts with UFOs/Aliens would disprove the claim that 'he/she is the only UFO contactee on earth'. For this to happen, one should first evaluate the claims of the first person who claims that 'he/she is the only UFO contactee on earth'. Before making any of this, passing any judgment on the case is illogical.

on Jan 7th, 2013, 10:52am, MysterEd wrote:
Wu, you see nothing odd about many of these witness reports?

Young impressionable children
Testimonials of believers and close acquaintances
Questionable sources and reliability of quoted material
No probing questions
Meier goes off somewhere and then something is seen or heard
Lights in the night sky
Landing prints found afterwards brought up by Meier

Where are concise accounts and reviews of someone seeing the same craft at the same time as shown in his many photos?

There are many accounts of multiple witnesses who were observing and also photographing the craft in daylight. One just need to do a search. Labeling people as believers or close acquaintances does not say anything at all except our biases. Ofcourse there may be people who are believers right from the start and these can easily be influenced to make them see what they have not seen. This does not warrant us to claim that all of the witnesses are believers or has vested interests to say something that they have known to be false or a lie. All the witnesses are from different occupations, different countries, different genders, different ages & most of them came to know Meier & had become a part of the group only after they witnessed Plejaren beamships & other strange phenomenon. 15 witnesses took PSE/LIE -DETECTING tests in 1981 and passed which are done through protocols of University of Arizona. And the voice recordings were sent to many labs which could not find any evidence that suggested that the witnesses were lying. Everything about the witnesses is available in wendelles book.
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Witnesses


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« Reply #101 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 01:37am »

on Jan 8th, 2013, 07:23am, MysterEd wrote:
Here's a site that briefly mentions that claim on the Who is Meier Page.

http://billymeierufocase.org/index.html

I'll be searching to find the specifics because it is so hard to tell what gets taken out of context in a lot of this - from both sides. I don't really doubt he may have said it but I'd like to see the exact sources.

on Jan 8th, 2013, 08:49am, Dolf wrote:
MysterEd,
"Meier claims that he is the only person who has been contacted by extra-terrestrials on Earth."

So there you have it. It's dangerous to make such claims, not only it provokes the skeptics & debunkers, but it also puts in a bad position all the other (alleged) contactees! So you make a lot of enemies, from every corner... cheesy


Claims from sites of questionable motives or from third party sources, are better not to be trusted. All the best, for your search on the original Meier/FIGU statement where he allegedly mentioned that he was the only UFO contactee on earth.

on Jan 8th, 2013, 07:23am, MysterEd wrote:
What was most interesting in the site above is the explanation and demonstration of the strange UFO noise recordings. Resonating horizontal fishing lines in the wind. undecided I've really got to try that and suggest others do it as well to see if it works. Be sure to do it it in isolation so you are not questioned by the police! grin

I'm sure there is some counter argument as to why this is not true or not a duplication because it does not match 100% the frequency spectrum of Meier's sounds.


Is the counter argument for the above audio deconstruction rests only on this argument - 'it is not 100% replication, so...'. ? If you have read the scientific analysis published in wendelles notes done at state-of-the-art labs by experts, then you would know that there is no comparision between these both sounds. Isn't it a contradiction that people on one hand demand to know if the evidence in Meier case was tested scientifically or not but on the other hand give credence to some "evidence" which was not scientifically tested at all.

on Jan 8th, 2013, 08:49am, Dolf wrote:
He must feel bad not having been provided with the miracles capability in this reincarnation... I bet I would, in such circumstances smiley

Are you sure that he didn't present any evidence of his alleged psychic powers or miracles ?
I suggest people first read the witnesses report before passing any statements. He had made more than a couple of such presentations while the investigators were present there.
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« Reply #102 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 1:55pm »

Just for reference everyone should know that 'mahigitam' is a member of Figu or at least supports them based on his own website link.



http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/
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« Reply #103 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 2:51pm »

As much as I like Billy and believe he has seen and met with ET and UFO this FIGU is the biggest load of B/S I have read so far since getting involved in this tedious subject. The more I read about this man the more I believe he wised up and cashed in on a genuine experience by adding one large mass of what comes out my horses rear end, no wonder people laugh when genuine people try to tell their tale.
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« Reply #104 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 3:28pm »

on Jan 15th, 2013, 2:04pm, Dolf wrote:
That is clear. But I guess it's no secrecy, as the link is on his profile for everyone to see.


As I mentioned before, no one is totally impartial on this field. And even for those not members of a pro or an against organization, there is the "believer" or skeptical/debunker attitude... So who is not "biased" on his/her conclusions on this field?... wink

Cheers!

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There's always bias; hard for people not to have one on just about any subject, but in the Meier case there's far too many aspects from Meier's camp that are clearly lies and hoaxes. Meier claims he has been framed in the really bad examples and in the other points that are questionable they just ignore or talk around them.
In the end there isn't one piece of real evidence for true alien contact...not one unless you count the photos and experts on both sides have made their cases so even those are up in the air imo. The whole case rests basically on whether or not you believe Meier because he has not presented the world at large with any definitive objective evidence to prove his case.....period.
Just one sliver of real alien dna, one tiny piece of their ships, one of their uniforms, a scientific principle or technique from the aliens that would rock the science community, or how about Billy's ray gun or a lock of Semjase's hair...? How about anything other than anecdotes and questionable pics....the ufo community has plenty of those already.
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