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xx Naive 'messages' due to cognitive disonance
« Thread started on: Aug 1st, 2016, 02:32am »

Absurd / diverse / naive 'messages' may be elaborated by the victim due to cognitive disonance after brutal mood manipulation.

Just a theory...

The mind tries to keep things consistent, swapping cause and consequence if necessary. As an answer to externally induced feelings and moods it will elaborate its own delusional reasons, in form of perceptions, secondary ( non induced ) thoughts and messages. This is just cognitive adaption to disonance.

Somebody may induce, maybe with drugs, some moods or feelings. But you cant implant complex messages only with drugs.

But as a subject is intoxicated, his brain tryes to make sense to the manipulated mood. The brain keeps working as always, protecting itself and trying to make sense of the situation.

If you 'feel' they are good, your mind makes a delusional telepathic message to justify that feeling, but limited by your knowledge and local culture.

If you strongly 'feel' they are familiar, before going crazy you will elaborate fake previous child memories.

And so... and so...
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 1st, 2016, 11:58am »

You are right, even humans face difficulties understanding each other due to cultural differences.

Then how can I be sure, how I could tell if something was a delusional, worthless, pop message to mankind of salvation by universal love or a real message trying to help.

Could I tell the difference...?

A wise, old man may seem to talk like a child because he skips everything useless, and goes to the point in one step. Should a wise entity talk to us in a complex way ?

I should be more cautious. I hope I have understand your thoughts.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 1st, 2016, 9:12pm »

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« Reply #3 on: Aug 2nd, 2016, 08:14am »

IMO..just as you have that peridelia visually seeing patterns of things not there. I believe this happens to the brain as audio comes in. ..it will make music or voices out of random noise.
I tried this while the ac in my car was on and engine on..I then place my finger in my ear.
(If you laugh I well press the alt ctrl del key for task manager an erase you all..you've been warned)

As I was saying..I applied pressure enough to allow sound but not block completely iand it sounded like low lever rap music.with muffled voices...with a rythm beat an all as if the radio itself were on..i even checked the radio just to make sure..
it was off..it was an unsettling experience....I heard it..but I knew it was not there..

again..we see things not as they are but as we are..take it for what its worth.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 2nd, 2016, 3:59pm »

Sys_config, while you where pushing your ear you KNEW IT, that changes everything.

Related to this, a fictional story....

Long ago there were two twin priestesses that no one could deceive, if the king suspected that someone was lying he asked them to start her dance spining.

While spinning, the dancers keep looking to her own faces and then she knew if the visitor lied.

And thas the secret reason why women always carry a small mirror, while you are looking at yourself you know is someone is lying.


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« Reply #5 on: Aug 2nd, 2016, 4:49pm »

on Aug 2nd, 2016, 3:59pm, olemundo wrote:
Sys_config, while you where pushing your ear you KNEW IT, that changes everything.

Related to this, a fictional story....

Long ago there were two twin priestesses that no one could deceive, if the king suspected that someone was lying he asked them to start her dance spining.

While spinning, the dancers keep looking to her own faces and then she knew if the visitor lied.

And thas the secret reason why women always carry a small mirror, while you are looking at yourself you know is someone is lying.




haha is that before their lips move or after? grin

I think I have a partial explanation. I have high blood pressure. Often we can rest on a pillow we can hear our beat
That may be the source of the rythm or arrythmia. I cannot account for the other component.,,but that was sufficient for my purpose I was not audio hallucinating.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 3rd, 2016, 03:14am »


The auditory cortex is placed where it should be over the ears and near the surface, not like the visual which is far away from eyes.

Here you have instructions to build your own magic wand:

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-a-Real-Working-Brain-Ray-Transcran/

Apply it 4cms over your ears, have fun.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 3rd, 2016, 03:44am »

Ole are you trying to kill me?grin
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 3rd, 2016, 1:49pm »

on Aug 1st, 2016, 02:32am, olemundo wrote:
Absurd / diverse / naive 'messages' may be elaborated by the victim due to cognitive disonance after brutal mood manipulation.

Just a theory...

The mind tries to keep things consistent, swapping cause and consequence if necessary. As an answer to externally induced feelings and moods it will elaborate its own delusional reasons, in form of perceptions, secondary ( non induced ) thoughts and messages. This is just cognitive adaption to disonance.

Somebody may induce, maybe with drugs, some moods or feelings. But you cant implant complex messages only with drugs.

But as a subject is intoxicated, his brain tryes to make sense to the manipulated mood. The brain keeps working as always, protecting itself and trying to make sense of the situation.

If you 'feel' they are good, your mind makes a delusional telepathic message to justify that feeling, but limited by your knowledge and local culture.

If you strongly 'feel' they are familiar, before going crazy you will elaborate fake previous child memories.

And so... and so...


You are making a lot of sense, Olemundo (is that Spanish for 'greetings, world' ? smiley), I agree some of the contact information (purportedly transmitted alien to human) appears a bit off, inane or even bizarre. It is to be expected that human PARTICIPANTS in such contact, contactees, human channellers/transmitters and their audience may tend to put the best possible face on received ET messages, clean it up as needed so as not to make complete fools of themselves.

Actually normal human psychology. A bit like clicking check spelling on one of my own posts.

Seeing you suggest naive messages are bunk, necessarily polished up by believers (hoping to attract more belief), does this mean that you extrapolate that all alien messages are bunk and naive (produced by deceptive and/or unstable human beings? (Thus holding no aliens ever contacted mankind so far?)

Or does on the other hand follow that highly complex and profound, even psychologically transformative alien information could be the mark of genuine Alien Contact?

For example, to my mind, all of reality, all of our history coupled with all of the weird inexplicable stuff in there, might be considered as a infinitely, Zen-riddle level complex message meant to challenge us to figure out what the true nature of reality is.


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« Reply #9 on: Aug 17th, 2016, 09:50am »

This conversation reminds me of a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode!

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« Reply #10 on: Aug 18th, 2016, 12:11pm »

Purr: Most of our problems come as a consecuence from our economic an social structures. If aliens appeared you can't expect them to fix our problems by giving some magic technology and love. They would ask for big political changes and that would be hard to accept. The world would detach between 'traitors' and 'resistance'. A war against an alien interference would end being a a war between human factions. The current powerful countries would be against changes and would fight for the resistance while poor countries would give its manpower to the alien powers expecting a improvement in its position. A small alien army could reshape world's politics by using diplomacy and giving some weaponry to its puppets. It's an old story.

My nick, Olemundo, is the name of a historical character, a prince of Spain, Olemundo.

In the 8th century feudal Iberian Peninsula was invaded by a more culturally advanced civilization with better social organization, the Muslim.

It was a relatively bloodless invasion. One of the two parties, the Visigoth kingdom, was crumbling by its own infighting, social disorder,
envy, corruption, murder ... some feudal lords were in dangerous positions and were delighted to close agreements with the invaders.

The first poweful noble traitors who saw the invaders as a positive element was the house of Witiza (family of the earlier king).
His three sons, Olemundo, Aquila and Ardabasto closed advantageous agreements with Caliph Alualid, Olemundo obtained many properties
and I took up residence in Seville, where he lived a peaceful life.

Was Olemundo a traitor that only sought their own interest ? Or was he saving lives ?

I like to think that he decided that the old kingdom didnt deserved to be defended, that a new better order was the right path.

"resistence is futile" tongue

I apologize for digressing... !
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 19th, 2016, 02:29am »

Following my own thoughts on how an alien invasion could be, learning from history and looking a world map...

Countries with manpower and cannon fodder, good geographical position, and a lot to gain with an alien agreement.

Indonesia, 260M pop, area of influence, China, Indonesia, Oceania

Pakistan, Bangladesh, 192M + 162M pop, Rusia, Middle East

Egypt, 93M, Europe, Africa

Mexico, 128M, North America, South America

Of course, this strategy makes more sense with aliens like the reptilian, that understand and experience using human.

At first the war could seem a war for resources on an over populated earth, ww3, the reptilians may choose to expose themselves at the time they see fit, as 'liberators'.

If we learn form history, and alien process of control could follow this pattern to minimize resource usage. Humans against humans.
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 30th, 2016, 01:28am »

Interesting thoughts, Olemundo. I note you assign a degree of military mindset to (a hypothetical faction of) aliens, who, if ever taking over Earth, smart as they are, can be expected to do so in a strategic manner smiley.

Following from that you do seem to hold the belief that we indeed have been visited by multiple faction/species of ET.

Have you considered the possibility that some of the 'contact' and 'alien abduction' reports were caused by real interaction between humans and a type of Visitors who have radically different minds from our own, to the point of appearing bizarre, even irrational?


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« Reply #13 on: Aug 30th, 2016, 07:10am »

Dear purr,

"real"...? 'Interaction' may be done physically or at distance,
and an interaction done at distance may use different means, and depending on wich mean, it may leave physical profs or not.
We are very visual, "I see I believe", so probably to interact with humans you need to induce visual contents, this real interaction may use ilusions as a mean. That would be real but hard to prove.

But let's go to the point...!

Probably there are two main strategies when you want to interact with a civilization...
Interact with them all.
Interact only with the elite and/or the powerful.

If the alien are themselves an united civilization, probably they tend to the first strategy, but if they are from a detached society between ruling and working clases they may find natural to use the second.

Like it or not, We as a civilization are detached. We are detached geographically as nations with differents interests, and inside each nation, detached by classes. The ruling class daily use deception and represion to control people, and the lower class is not used to think further of its inmediate needs. With this picture, if you want to address mankind as a hole... you have a problem !

In fact if a representant of the -good guys of the kumbaya confederation of planets- talked to one of our ruling class probably they would not be able to make any deal.

The blue good guys:
* Light, love and understanding: get rid of weapons
* Put humanity on the center of economy: you don't need to use scarcity on food and shelter to control people
* Help people to achieve mind unity.

Goverment representant:
(thinking...) This guy is really sexy... but our social order is based on scarcity... and TO MY GROUP it's good to be on top
hey it was really inspiring... but right now it's not possible, no... don't call us, we will call you ...


The grey bad guys:

* We want, x & y. ( a small secret: x, y its symbolic, related to sex, related to control, it's only to humiliate you, we want power )
* As far as you provide it and do some dirty work, our current ruling position is not compromised.
* We offer A to help you in your task.
* It is not in your best interest to stand against us.

Goverment representant:
(thinking...) I don't see clear how this relationship is going to evolve in the long term... but I don't think in the long term.

Ok.., it's a deal.

20 years later...

A shepherd with his goats saw a blue man, the blue man gave them a message to the mankind.
The shepherd said that he was only a shepherd, maybe they should talk to the goverment.
The blue man turn his eyes upside, and shurged. The he sighed and turned.

My point is...

Anybody trying to improve mankind talking to politicos is going to end acting bizarre and irrationaly. Poor aliens !

This may be the explanation.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 30th, 2016, 09:23am »

Thinking more on the bizarre and strange behaviour, let's take the common bizarre female abduction.

It's common in hierarchical species that the dominant male it's the only allowed to have spread. The rest of the group, under the power of the dominant male, are not allowed to have its own offspring. This schema may be a basic schema of nature, not only in species in earth but also in all the universe.

So power, status and hierarchy may be tied to sex and offspring in a lot of species. It is possible that even evolved civilizations keep this instincts as a part of their social structure. The working class is not allowed to have offspring.

In fact simulated sex/rape may be used a as way to express power and social status, like it is used in bonobos and as a way of conflict resolution.

Now, with this in mind...let's take a another look to those bizarre and absurd, degrading, painful, female abductions.

What if... what they are really doing is placing themselves on the top of the power structure, as fathers, and the hole mankind is left in a dominated status.

It has always questioned the purpose and the number of those abductions. Clearly, if it was to be used for a scientific purpose, it could be done without we being aware of it. So, all the gore does not make sense... but what if this is not the point.
What it the point is to simulate rape as a way to express status and power. And all of the 'hybrid stuff" may also be a simbol of dominance. Your are no longer the dominant specie on earth, from now on, we are going to have your women and they are going to carry our spread.

Abductions have to be painful and degrading to express power, it has nothing to be to a real scientific investigation, or a real hybridation. Surgical instruments that pierce the belly with pain are a symbol of rape, of violent sex.

And humans are programmed to act submissively in front of power because we are social animals. Men do the same on wars, winners have the right to rape the women of the defeated, this is also in our behaviour. If we cant defend our women that means we are defeated. So it makes sense to use this method to defeat us.

Bizarre, absurd...? No ! Smart.
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