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xx How Trump will affect climate change
« Thread started on: Nov 9th, 2016, 11:05am »

"While many groups from Silicon Valley to the auto industry are concerned about the win, none should be more worried than those working on the future of clean energy and the fight against climate change."

http://www.fortune.com/2016/11/09/rump-president-clean-energy-climate-change/?iid=rightrail-more
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 9th, 2016, 11:16am »

Will we face a rogue presidency on our hands...with the likes of possible cabinet picks like Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich?

I shudder at the thought...

http://www.fortune.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-president-cabinet
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 9th, 2016, 12:36pm »

"Worst of all, Trump will dynamite Obama's Clean Power plan, removing the only climate policy on deck, and probably tear up the Paris Climate Accords, which cannot possibly succeed without a United States buy-in."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/brace-yourselves-for-the-onrushing-catastrophe-of-a-donald-trump-presidency/ar-AAk4SZc?ocid=spartandhp
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 9th, 2016, 1:02pm »

What, hopefully, may happen is that the climate warming may quickly reach a point where even those most intellectually challenged will have no choice but to accept it as fact.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 9th, 2016, 1:42pm »

on Nov 9th, 2016, 12:36pm, Erno86 wrote:
"Worst of all, Trump will dynamite Obama's Clean Power plan, removing the only climate policy on deck, and probably tear up the Paris Climate Accords, which cannot possibly succeed without a United States buy-in."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/brace-yourselves-for-the-onrushing-catastrophe-of-a-donald-trump-presidency/ar-AAk4SZc?ocid=spartandhp



This whole climate change mantra was a political gimmick from the left. They want you to feel guilty and therefore vote Democrat. I donít doubt that climate change might be occurring but the political agenda they tossed out was to make you vote Democrat out of a feeling of guilt as if you had somehow offended the planet and you could reconcile by the Democratic/Hillary/Obama agenda. It actually has a lot of people convinced, such as many on this board. If climate change occurs nothing we can do about it; weíre like bacteria on the skin of the pumpkin. But the Democrats used that kind of logic (Along with other innuendo of sexism racism and other gimmicks)and try hard as they might it failed. Thank God for that.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 9th, 2016, 3:49pm »

on Nov 9th, 2016, 1:42pm, MrGort wrote:
This whole climate change mantra was a political gimmick from the left. They want you to feel guilty and therefore vote Democrat. I donít doubt that climate change might be occurring but the political agenda they tossed out was to make you vote Democrat out of a feeling of guilt as if you had somehow offended the planet and you could reconcile by the Democratic/Hillary/Obama agenda. It actually has a lot of people convinced, such as many on this board. If climate change occurs nothing we can do about it; weíre like bacteria on the skin of the pumpkin. But the Democrats used that kind of logic (Along with other innuendo of sexism racism and other gimmicks)and try hard as they might it failed. Thank God for that.


I agree to disagree...Global warming, from the result of human caused climate change, can be slowed to a significant degree by technology --- not only ours --- but from the ufonauts as well; justifiably proven by eyewitness accounts of magnetically contained fusion plasma foo fighters with the starship safely contained inside it.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 10th, 2016, 11:36pm »

on Nov 9th, 2016, 12:36pm, Erno86 wrote:
"Worst of all, Trump will dynamite Obama's Clean Power plan, removing the only climate policy on deck, and probably tear up the Paris Climate Accords, which cannot possibly succeed without a United States buy-in."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/brace-yourselves-for-the-onrushing-catastrophe-of-a-donald-trump-presidency/ar-AAk4SZc?ocid=spartandhp


The Paris Accords will fail even with US buy-in. A deeply flawed compromise that is merely rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 17th, 2016, 3:06pm »

"China corrects Donald Trump over his claim that global warming is a Chinese hoax."

http://www.uproxx.com/news/china-Donald-trump-climate-change-stance
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 17th, 2016, 3:19pm »

"Africa action summit: King Mohammed Vl stresses need to pool efforts to fight climate change."

In this regard: The Moroccan King warned that "The degradation of land and of natural resources could continue to be the main driver of most transnational conflicts in Africa."

http://www.northafricapost.com/15075-africa-action-king-mohammed-vi-stresses-need-pool-efforts-fight-climate-change.html
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"Get real: Why Donald Trump must heed Morocco's King Mohammed Vl's COP 22 speech on climate change."

http://www.blogs.timesofindia.com/talkingturkey/get-real-why-Donald-trump-must-heed-moroccos-king-mohammed-vis-cop-22-speech-on-climate-change
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 18th, 2016, 2:45pm »

"The North Pole is an insane 36 degrees warmer than normal as winter descends."

quote: Washington Post, November 18, 2016

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/the-north-pole-is-an-insane-36-degrees-warmer-than-normal-as-winter-descends/ar-AAkqrVS?Ii=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U142DHF
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 18th, 2016, 2:56pm »

"Climate change already impacting most processes on Earth."

quote: International Business Times, November 16, 2016

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/climate-change-already-impacting-most-processes-on-earth/ar-AAknr2I?ocid=U142DHF
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 19th, 2016, 03:09am »

on Nov 9th, 2016, 1:42pm, MrGort wrote:
This whole climate change mantra was a political gimmick from the left. They want you to feel guilty and therefore vote Democrat. I donít doubt that climate change might be occurring but the political agenda they tossed out was to make you vote Democrat out of a feeling of guilt as if you had somehow offended the planet and you could reconcile by the Democratic/Hillary/Obama agenda. It actually has a lot of people convinced, such as many on this board. If climate change occurs nothing we can do about it; weíre like bacteria on the skin of the pumpkin. But the Democrats used that kind of logic (Along with other innuendo of sexism racism and other gimmicks)and try hard as they might it failed. Thank God for that.


Think I am going with your arguments, MrGort, with the possible exception of choice of conspiracy, don't know about the 'left' but in my own awareness the anthropogenic global warming (the earlier incarnation of Climate Change theories) is a shadow gov cover for extreme weather anomalies foreseen in the first half of the 21st century, intended to deflect global fears and unwanted curiosity.

Climate Change is an intentionally confusing term imo, maybe suggesting human industry has recently been doing the changing (and must be capable of changing our climate for the better), yet allowing for (underreported) cooling/refreezing spells.

The suppressed part of the science here is (like you seem to opinion) that climate is and has been changing since before humans and before industry in many ways, including huge ups and downs in temperature, even catastrophic from volcanic activity, cosmic impacts and solar radiation. So, although we could (and probably should) try to limit polluting our environment and harming humans and other lifeforms as much as possible, Climate is too large and chaotic a phenomenon for humans / a US president to significantly make a dent in.


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Cosmo-info:
Breakdown of American dollar and economy is imminent
New American workers' revolution wins
But, don't remain in nation capitalist system of so-called socialism to which Rockefellers'clique is trying to distort the new American workers' revolution Otherwise, sanctions by the Creators occurs
Nov.19, 2016
A cosmo-info:
American dollar and economy will suffer breakdown soon.
This will bring the new civil war due to the threat of survival for workers crying "We are The 99%".
The major part of the Fed army and States' militia will transit to the new workers' revolution.
And the new American workers' revolution will win.
This new revolution must realize transition to the new society of everything gratuitous services in all areas of human life, as the Creators gave everything gratuitously for Earth too.
The new American workers' revolution must not remain in the so-called socialism of Marxism or Marxism-Leninism which was the nation capitalist system of plutocratic slave domination shown by the ex Soviet Union and current China, etc. Now the Rockefellers' clique is trying to distort the New American workers' revolution to such socialism.
At the distorted case, the Pole shift occurs as the General cleaning by the Creators.
Thus, the East and CA State will sink into the sea together with British islands, Japanese islands, the East and the South of China, Korean peninsula, Moscow and Petersburg of Russia. EU countries suffer annihilative hits by the enormous tsunami higher than 100m.
Directly afterwards, according to a notice from the Creators, Earth and its invaders-rulers' planet of the Lizard and their boss, the planet of Draco will disappear from our cosmos.
http://etatsmakijpn.over-blog.com/2016/09/large-nuclear-explosion-occurs-in-nyc-on-sept-26-28-2016.html#ob
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on Nov 19th, 2016, 03:09am, purr wrote:
Think I am going with your arguments, MrGort, with the possible exception of choice of conspiracy, don't know about the 'left' but in my own awareness the anthropogenic global warming (the earlier incarnation of Climate Change theories) is a shadow gov cover for extreme weather anomalies foreseen in the first half of the 21st century, intended to deflect global fears and unwanted curiosity.

Climate Change is an intentionally confusing term imo, maybe suggesting human industry has recently been doing the changing (and must be capable of changing our climate for the better), yet allowing for (underreported) cooling/refreezing spells.

The suppressed part of the science here is (like you seem to opinion) that climate is and has been changing since before humans and before industry in many ways, including huge ups and downs in temperature, even catastrophic from volcanic activity, cosmic impacts and solar radiation. So, although we could (and probably should) try to limit polluting our environment and harming humans and other lifeforms as much as possible, Climate is too large and chaotic a phenomenon for humans / a US president to significantly make a dent in.


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Thatís a very good summary document on the global warming/climate change issue. Iíd like to reinforce a few points.

Most scientists are associated with the University system etc. These institutions are breeding grounds for the liberal agenda. Scientific publications are paramount to the career track of any ambitious scientist and consequently grants and research proposals are a way of life.

Imagine a scientist trying to progress his career under an Obama administration. Do you honestly think a research proposal contrary to the long-established and loudly stated Obama agenda on climate change would even survive a preliminary review for consideration? I doubt it.

Government scientists, similarly, would not dare express anything deviant from the Obama agenda lest they want to send their government career into a tailspin.

Additionally, the idea that carbon dioxide produced by man is creating a greenhouse effect should be reviewed. I donít recall the exact figures but one active volcano releases more CO2 than these figures for man induced CO2.

Furthermore, most of the CO2 goes into the ocean where there is a buffer system. CO2 is the mainstay of phytoplankton. Carbon ingested by plants through photosynthesis become cellulose and plant tissue and starch. The more CO2 the more phytoplankton. The more phytoplankton more oxygen (a photosynthetic byproduct) and more zooplankton. More fish up the food chain and more productivity from the ocean.

Now there are other things beside CO2 considered pollutants. By all means these should be controlled and Iíve mentioned such chemicals before.

But the idea that we could reduce climate change/global warming by reducing CO2 is just a political red herring, a gimmick to make those less informed yield to and vote Democrat.

Iím sure local concentrations could pose a risk and should be regulated but on a regional or global scale other factors, besides a narrowly environmental interpretation such as economic, social justice, jobs and a better living standard come into play.
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