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Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 25th, 2017, 2:31pm

Paul Krugman...OP-ED writer for the New York Times --- tweeted: "An American first: a president who was obviously mentally ill the moment he took office. Thanks Comey"
{James Comey being the director of the FBI}
I heartily agree with Paul Krugman's tweet.


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http://www.twitter.com/paulkrugman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 25th, 2017, 3:06pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 2:31pm, Erno86 wrote:
Paul Krugman...OP-ED writer for the New York Times --- tweeted: "An American first: a president who was obviously mentally ill the moment he took office. Thanks Comey"
{James Comey being the director of the FBI}
I heartily agree with Paul Krugman's tweet.


Twitter, Inc, [US]

http://www.twitter.com/paulkrugman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


you do realize that saying or doing the same thing over and over ad nauseum and expecting a different outcome is a sure sign of mental illness.. cool

PK predicted the stockmarket would tank after Trump..its at 20k..maybe PK is in denial..after all thats HIS field of expertise..I was a real certified MHA in a real clinic with real disturbed and unbalanced people..
and thats what it looks like to me..
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by GhostofEd on Jan 25th, 2017, 3:14pm

Not saying he's nuts or not but is Paul Krugman qualified to make a clinical diagnosis without examining him. Is he a physician and expert in that field?

Gotta be careful nowadays, too many "experts" on the internet doing all kinds of analysis especially when it comes to behavior practices of people. grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 25th, 2017, 3:19pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 3:14pm, GhostofEd wrote:
Not saying he's nuts or not but is Paul Krugman qualified to make a clinical diagnosis without examining him. Is he a physician and expert in that field?

Gotta be careful nowadays, too many "experts" on the internet doing all kinds of analysis especially when it comes to behavior practices of people. grin


Hes probably looking for a new line of work as the next 4 years will be brutal to him..and the mental illness field looked easy.. grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 25th, 2017, 3:41pm

And the bad thing: Is that Trump has his finger on the nuclear button.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:00pm

What did Donald Trump actually say to his wife?


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:10pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:00pm, Erno86 wrote:
What did Donald Trump actually say to his wife?



Erno..don't take this personally but it's off topic and we have a trump smear and Clinton Smear thread already..Maybe seeing Obama goose his wife had something to do with it..who knows.
everyone knows he can be a a bag of Dks which is different from being mentally ill one..We have 4 years to see...
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:18pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:10pm, Sys_Config wrote:
Erno..don't take this personally but it's off topic and we have a trump smear and Clinton Smear thread already..Maybe seeing Obama goose his wife had something to do with it..who knows..


Well...on another forum: The OP has a 19 page thread that just started yesterday, with 86 flags, claiming this video about Trump and his wife --- that Donald J. Trump has typical tendencies of a psychopath.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:32pm

worst case scenario we got one possible psycopath instead of two proven ones..
Give us some credit..
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by purr on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:32pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 2:31pm, Erno86 wrote:
Paul Krugman...OP-ED writer for the New York Times --- tweeted: "An American first: a president who was obviously mentally ill the moment he took office. Thanks Comey"
{James Comey being the director of the FBI}
I heartily agree with Paul Krugman's tweet.


Twitter, Inc, [US]

http://www.twitter.com/paulkrugman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


I appreciate your concerns, Erno86. In My Opinion smiley Trump certainly seems to be an UNUSUAL kind of personality. Hard to predict (I have consistently failed to predict everything he has done, and I am no idiot, nor alone in this regard). Maybe....maybe.... Donald Trump is streetsavy/cunning without being intelligent in the traditional sense, leading to intellectuals and academians continually UNDERESTIMATING him. And to the extent that he knows what he doesn't know, he is in the perfect position to hire all the academians and assorted talent he'll ever need to compensate for any weaker aspect.

My point. It could well be (as Sys and Ed already suggest) he's not a madman, in the 'seriously disordered' sense. Nor (hopefully) evil. Just an example of that 'kill or be killed' mindset we see among highly successful businessmen/women. Of course in business it's considered OK to be so aggressive because competitors fight to make a killing without actually killing anybody. Let's see how he will distinguish between the thrill of a hostile takeover and the terrible human losses versus precarious gains of engaging in real warfare. He is probably going to surprise us again.


cheesy

purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:33pm

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:45pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:32pm, purr wrote:
I appreciate your concerns, Erno86. In My Opinion smiley Trump certain is an UNUSUAL kind of personality. Hard to predict (I have consistently failed to predict everything he has done, and I am obviously not alone in this regard). Maybe maybe Donald Trump is streetsavy/cunning without being intelligent in the traditional sense, leading to intellectuals and academians continually UNDERESTIMATING him. And to the extent that he knows what he doesn't know, he is in the perfect position to hire all the academians and assorted talent he'll ever need to compensate for any weaker aspect.

My point. It could well be (as Sys and Ed already suggest) he's not a madman, in the 'seriously disordered' sense. Nor (hopefully) evil. Just an example of that 'kill of be killed' mindset we see among successful businessmen/women. Of course in business it's considered OK to be so aggressive because competitors fight to make a killing without actually killing anybody. Let's see how he will distinguish between the thrill of a hostile takeover and the terrible human losses versus precarious gains of engaging in real warfare. He is probably going to surprise us again.


purr


I agree to disagree --- Trump has said he wants to kill the family's of terrorists, send U.S. citizens to Gitmo, just threatened to send in the Feds to Chicago to quell the violence {martial law maybe?}, love affair with arch enemy Putin who just hacked the U.S. election, the Nationalist Paper in China has just threatened to go to war with the U.S., has support from neo-Nazi groups around the world, etc - etc.

And you tell me this guy Trump is not mentally ill or at least a psychopath?

Give me a break. huh
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:51pm

Put your seatbelt on...because we're in for a wild ride.


Paul Krugman is my hero --- And before him...Anthony Lewis - former OP-ED columnist for the New York Times.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by purr on Jan 25th, 2017, 5:08pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:33pm, Erno86 wrote:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy


Thanks for that Wikipedia link, Erno. Been quite a while since I read on the subject, but I would like to add that Sociopathy/Psychopathy/Antisocial Personality Disorder may not be an illness, unless in the most optimist view of psychiatrists developing some mode of treatment experimentally.

Simply: psychopaths could be just ruthless people who from lack of functional conscience cause others to suffer, torment or murder them until they are stopped, imprisoned or executed.

No therapy cases methinks. Although a Psychopath/Sociopath could suffer from mental disorders apart from their primary disfunction, and ask for help with that.

We see among normal people some sociopathic traits. Which makes such folks decidedly unpleasant, but nowhere near full-blown sociopaths.


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by purr on Jan 25th, 2017, 5:29pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 4:45pm, Erno86 wrote:
I agree to disagree --- Trump has said he wants to kill the family's of terrorists, send U.S. citizens to Gitmo, just threatened to send in the Feds to Chicago to quell the violence {martial law maybe?}, love affair with arch enemy Putin who just hacked the U.S. election, the Nationalist Paper in China has just threatened to go to war with the U.S., has support from neo-Nazi groups around the world, etc - etc.

And you tell me this guy Trump is not mentally ill or at least a psychopath?

Give me a break. huh


What you describe could mean he's confrontational, Erno. And most people show some symptoms (of disorders) and I meet plenty with sociopathic traits. They seem to have moral lapses, as if their conscience/moral sense stutters intermittently. And almost everybody on occasion THINKS of doing wrong and harmful things.

Maybe we can question the wisdom of voting in a president who is confrontational, aggressive and abrasive by nature. But once in office, there's nothing to do but wait for his real world actions and judge him by that. If we're all lucky it is just the Trump-style of international diplomacy. Tremendousness.


kiss



purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 25th, 2017, 5:32pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 5:08pm, purr wrote:
Thanks for that Wikipedia link, Erno. Been quite a while since I read on the subject, but I would like to add that Sociopathy/Psychopathy/Antisocial Personality Disorder may not be an illness, unless in the most optimist view of psychiatrists developing some mode of treatment experimentally.

Simply: psychopaths could be just ruthless people who from lack of functional conscience cause others to suffer, torment or murder them until they are stopped, imprisoned or executed.

No therapy cases methinks. Although a Psychopath/Sociopath could suffer from mental disorders apart from their primary disfunction, and ask for help with that.

We see among normal people some sociopathic traits. Which makes such folks decidedly unpleasant, but nowhere near full-blown sociopaths.


purr

On point thank you purr..
This is how people in that strata are...and calling pyschopaths will not change anything..
The best article specifically on both e Ivana and Trump before and after separation.
warning its long but substantive and not the idle knee jerk comments we hear like Obumba or Psycho..
Because that insults our collective intelligence..
which if anyone does their due diligence will note are hardly the case for either..
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

when you have read..then come back and discuss
Thank you all

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by purr on Jan 25th, 2017, 6:31pm

on Jan 25th, 2017, 5:32pm, Sys_Config wrote:
On point thank you purr..
This is how people in that strata are...and calling pyschopaths will not change anything..
The best article specifically on both e Ivana and Trump before and after separation.
warning its long but substantive and not the idle knee jerk comments we hear like Obumba or Psycho..
Because that insults our collective intelligence..
which if anyone does their due diligence will note are hardly the case for either..
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

when you have read..then come back and discuss
Thank you all


Great article, helpful in fleshing out the simplifications/misrepresentations so widely being disseminated on Trumps background, relationships and business deals. One piece of advice immediately appealed to my curious nature (quoting from linked piece):

The key to Donald, like with any bully, is to tell him to go [mod edit: expletive term denoting sexual intercourse] himself

Highly entertaining, well written, informative stuff! Again, I see an unusual individual. Confrontational, hard to predict. Can't help notice everything he does appears to be on a humongous large scale.

What do you see, Sys_Config? I know you have a finely attuned mind and I wonder how you assess this president's potential and essential nature. Thanks!


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 25th, 2017, 9:16pm

He kept his promise ..He is building the wall..even if the btaxpayer winds up paying and not Mexico..Most Americans except illegals and their Lawyers and the Sanctuary cities are happy. That was his calling card..the wall. He will build it.

Most schools and university pushing Climate change will lose their funding..Nothing evil will escape from Antractica..maybe a piece of larsen ridge..

Designs for military equipment will no longer exceed the cost of producing them ..something that affects our capabilities ..

Major Unions have now kissed the ring except the SEIU that depend on warm bodies legal or not for dues..

I agree he is a bully..and does not have the patience of a Putin or a Job..but we didn't need a ghandi to ferret out the corruption in Washington.



I am amused to no end of the same cities claiming sanctuary status are running out homeless who live in their cars..Amused that they allow pro sharia islamic organiziers for womens marches..Allow anarchists to burn a limo belonging to a legal working muslim...they are on the wrong side of history and I question their mental health..

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jan 26th, 2017, 05:48am

It's amazing.. I love Paul Krugman and his economic blogs but he is very wrong with his assumptions about Trump.

So finally, I find myself defending Trump against my old hero Krugman. I really wish Krugman would bury the hatchet and offer his insights and acumen to the Trump admin instead of carrying on in such an undignified, unreasonable way against the president.

I find that I can't disagree with anything that Trump has proposed or done so far. I believe he has integrity and the intelligence to get the key specialists and people of experience in various fields in to work with him.

And to add to all this.. there is nothing.. absolutely nothing more naive, more uncritical and dishonest than dismissing the existential threat we are to face and the clash of civilizations we must encounter when it comes to Islam.

And probably this is the biggest driving factor as to why Trump was elected and why many liberal people like myself can not align anymore with the democratic and left wing party.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jan 26th, 2017, 05:54am

If you want to see "mentally ill" generic style and in mass.. look at the useful idiots in the women's march in DC, London and Germany singing Allah Akbar and putting head scarfs on themselves in "solidarity"...

And the stupidest people on the face of the earth right now are the gays who were doing this.

And the worst of them all are the ones who shamelessly have sold their half witted brains out to this ideology who have a position in the press and influence like Sally Kohn, Linda Sarsour and Bernie Sanders. WTF are they thinking??


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jan 26th, 2017, 06:55am

So Tommi, do you think Soros will take action against the US and Trump,
if so, would Soros then be a villain ?

Many might think Soros would be a hero.

whatcha think?
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by ZETAR on Jan 26th, 2017, 09:51am

TOMMI,

TO WIT:


"I find that I can't disagree with anything that Trump has proposed or done so far. I believe he has integrity and the intelligence to get the key specialists and people of experience in various fields in to work with him.

And to add to all this.. there is nothing.. absolutely nothing more naive, more uncritical and dishonest than dismissing the existential threat we are to face and the clash of civilizations we must encounter when it comes to Islam.

And probably this is the biggest driving factor as to why Trump was elected and why many liberal people like myself can not align anymore with the democratic and left wing party."

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SUCH LOGIC ~ UNDENIABLY REFRESHING INDEED!!!

"If you want to see "mentally ill" generic style and in mass.. look at the useful idiots in the women's march in DC, London and Germany singing Allah Akbar and putting head scarfs on themselves in "solidarity"...the worst of them all are the ones who shamelessly have sold their half witted brains out to this ideology who have a position in the press and influence"

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 26th, 2017, 4:23pm

The leak of a Trump's draft order reinstating black-site prisons and harsh interrogation techniques is attracting my attention --- So much that I believe that Trump will intern our own U.S. citizens in these same prisons, along with the use of harsh torture techniques.

George Orwell's "1984" just surged to Amazon's best seller list, with his book "1984" about a story about a dystopian future where critical thought is suppressed under a totalitarian regime.

Kellyanne Conway, an adviser to Donald J. Trump, gave on "Meet the Press," in defending a false claim by White House press secretary Sean Spicer that Mr. Trump had attracted the "largest audience ever to witness an inauguration." Ms. Conway used a turn of phrase that struck some observers as similar to the dystopian world of "1984."

When asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" why Mr. Spicer had said something that was provably false,, Ms. Conway replied airily, "Don't be so dramatic."

Mr. Spicer, she said, "gave alternative facts."

In the novel, the term "newspeak" refers to language in which independent thought, or "unorthodox" political ideas, have been "eliminated' "Doublethink" is defined as "reality control."

When Donald J. Trump responded to my one an only tweet that I sent to him --- He replied to me with a "1984" dystopian flair, that made me remember "1984." Trump tweeted to me "I'm watching you!"

Where is the money for the wall going to come from
assuming Mexico does not cut a check as Mr. Trump has demanded?

"President Trump proposed wall would certainly cost billion of dollars: He says $8 billion, while more realistic estimates put the price tag at $15 billion to $25 billion {and $500 million per year for upkeep.

What about the benefits of the wall? First, it won't keep many aliens out. No matter how high the wall is, it won't stop smugglers from tunneling underground, as many already have done to get past existing border fences.

Second, even if the does lower the number of unlawful immigrants in the United States, the economic gains from reducing immigration are not greater than the cost of the wall.

Mr. Trump is reported to be planning to rely on a law called the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as a source of statutory authority for the wall --- apparently to avoid asking Congress to pass a new statute, which could be filibustered by the Democrats.

But the 2006 law authorizes the secretary of homeland security only to take actions that are "necessary and appropriate." These are the same words {in the opposite order} the Supreme Court v. EPA. As Justice Scalia said, it would not be "appropriate" to "impose billion of dollars in economic costs in return for a few dollars in benefits."

quote: Can Scalia Bock Trump's Wall? -- By Daniel, Johnathan Masur and Eric Posner - NYT's OP-ED Thursday, January 26, 2017


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jan 26th, 2017, 5:01pm

George Orwell was writing about socialism and totalitarianism. Both were a threat from the Ottomans, Nazi's, socialists and communists during his time and experiences.

All these Bernie Sanders supporters and people calling to silence free speech, debate and common sense... putting head scarfs on men to show support for Islam....

This is what you are courting... Not Trump.

Torture isn't something anyone wants... that's why Trump doesn't rule it out... because handing lolipops, Korans and prayer rugs to terrorists isn't working..

Newspeak.. I've never heard such newspeak as the left is using.. Islam is a religion of peace. Islamophobia. Deplorable. Racist. Bigot. Divider. "Have you read the Koran?" "You don't understand Islam"

One of my favorites is by Linda Sarsour who was given Twitter support by Sanders when she was trolled on Twitter after she said "Sharia will take your credit cards and make them interest free, what's not to like?"...

(Under Sharia you are charged "fees", which she didn't mention, because interest is forbidden.)

Is this the "newspeak" of which that article speaks?



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Jan 26th, 2017, 5:16pm

on Jan 26th, 2017, 06:55am, MOKSHA wrote:
So Tommi, do you think Soros will take action against the US and Trump,
if so, would Soros then be a villain ?

Many might think Soros would be a hero.

whatcha think?


Not after he goes through his mental phase of cognitive dissonance and realizes he had it figured wrong... it's going to happen to a lot of people I think..


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by purr on Jan 27th, 2017, 05:16am

on Jan 26th, 2017, 4:23pm, Erno86 wrote:
The leak of a Trump's draft order reinstating black-site prisons and harsh interrogation techniques is attracting my attention --- So much that I believe that Trump will intern our own U.S. citizens in these same prisons, along with the use of harsh torture techniques.

George Orwell's "1984" just surged to Amazon's best seller list, with his book "1984" about a story about a dystopian future where critical thought is suppressed under a totalitarian regime.

Kellyanne Conway, an adviser to Donald J. Trump, gave on "Meet the Press," in defending a false claim by White House press secretary Sean Spicer that Mr. Trump had attracted the "largest audience ever to witness an inauguration." Ms. Conway used a turn of phrase that struck some observers as similar to the dystopian world of "1984."

When asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" why Mr. Spicer had said something that was provably false,, Ms. Conway replied airily, "Don't be so dramatic."

Mr. Spicer, she said, "gave alternative facts."

In the novel, the term "newspeak" refers to language in which independent thought, or "unorthodox" political ideas, have been "eliminated' "Doublethink" is defined as "reality control."

When Donald J. Trump responded to my one an only tweet that I sent to him --- He replied to me with a "1984" dystopian flair, that made me remember "1984." Trump tweeted to me "I'm watching you!"

Where is the money for the wall going to come from
assuming Mexico does not cut a check as Mr. Trump has demanded?

"President Trump proposed wall would certainly cost billion of dollars: He says $8 billion, while more realistic estimates put the price tag at $15 billion to $25 billion {and $500 million per year for upkeep.

What about the benefits of the wall? First, it won't keep many aliens out. No matter how high the wall is, it won't stop smugglers from tunneling underground, as many already have done to get past existing border fences.

Second, even if the does lower the number of unlawful immigrants in the United States, the economic gains from reducing immigration are not greater than the cost of the wall.

Mr. Trump is reported to be planning to rely on a law called the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as a source of statutory authority for the wall --- apparently to avoid asking Congress to pass a new statute, which could be filibustered by the Democrats.

But the 2006 law authorizes the secretary of homeland security only to take actions that are "necessary and appropriate." These are the same words {in the opposite order} the Supreme Court v. EPA. As Justice Scalia said, it would not be "appropriate" to "impose billion of dollars in economic costs in return for a few dollars in benefits."

quote: Can Scalia Bock Trump's Wall? -- By Daniel, Johnathan Masur and Eric Posner - NYT's OP-ED Thursday, January 26, 2017



I don't think I can say it enough, Erno86, I really appreciate your train of worry. I agree (as suggested in my own thread on his Inauguration Address) he is giving off some totalitarian, at the very least AUTHORITARIAN warning signs. And again, time will tell.

Big Orwellian litmus (thinking both of Animal Farm and 1984) test will be whether in the coming years he will push/support legislature making 'some animals more equal than others'. Thinking of his choice of VP Pence who came up with the so called bathroom laws. Which, if taken to the national level, above all threaten the full citizen's equality of transgenders (precisely as if you would ban Black, Disabled or Muslim Citizens from any public space). The 'animal' thus unfairly advantaged would be the heterosexual male and female (kinda pretending there are no other kinds of animals on our farm). smiley

That said.

I feel I resonate with his acceptance of water boarding and terrorist prisons. Here it is of course vital he's not preparing to waterboard or incarcerate everybody in America. Just a selection of terrorists, and if he listens to advice, only the tiny fraction that holds info on the most extreme threat to the US, like introducing WMD on its own soil. And at that point we may call it Torture and probably go beyond dousing interviewees with water. 100,000s of lives at stake, Erno...

Also I'm not overly sentimental about Citizens (US or other) who have committed treason by fighting on the side of terrorist enemies.

But agree there's a slippery slope, it can be taken too far. Time will tell. Let's see if Trump will manage to limit his killzone to America's enemies.


purr

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 27th, 2017, 12:48pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 27th, 2017, 2:49pm

"Donald Trump's Mexico Tantrum"

"The tariff tantrum was the latest in a head-spinning torrent of lies, dangerous policy ideas and threats from the White House since Mr. Trump was sworn in last Friday. They have underscored just how impulsive and apparently ignorant the new occupant of the Oval Office is on international economic and security relationships that serve American interests. His advisers appear unwilling to rein in his impulses or, as in the case of the tariff, hapless as they struggle to tamp them down.

quote: NYT's EDITORIALS Friday, January 27, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by purr on Jan 28th, 2017, 3:12pm

on Jan 27th, 2017, 12:48pm, Erno86 wrote:


I'm amazed nobody noticed during the vetting process: there's a problem with Hitler's birth certificate (a frequently expressed regret of Schwarzenegger's), Austria lies well outside of the territorial US. Uh.. ahem... not to mention the small matter with his DEATH CERTIFICATE. I hear in America dead people are ineligible for the presidency, nor are they allowed to vote!

Apart from all that...

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

on Jan 27th, 2017, 2:49pm, Erno86 wrote:
"Donald Trump's Mexico Tantrum"

"The tariff tantrum was the latest in a head-spinning torrent of lies, dangerous policy ideas and threats from the White House since Mr. Trump was sworn in last Friday. They have underscored just how impulsive and apparently ignorant the new occupant of the Oval Office is on international economic and security relationships that serve American interests. His advisers appear unwilling to rein in his impulses or, as in the case of the tariff, hapless as they struggle to tamp them down.

quote: NYT's EDITORIALS Friday, January 27, 2017


Lately every day Dutch News seems to open with the latest Trump policy. And I have a tendency to cringe while watching his performance. Not all of it is bad, and maybe some things will work out just fine. Erno, I'm really trying to be an optimist here. wink


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 29th, 2017, 2:39pm





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 30th, 2017, 12:49am


Trump Slams McCain, Graham: "Stop Trying To Start World War III"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-29/trump-slams-mccain-graham-stop-trying-start-world-war-iii

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jan 30th, 2017, 11:30am

Meet the scientists affected by Trump’s immigration ban

Order barring citizens of seven countries from entering the United States has left many confused and afraid.

Lauren Morello & Sara Reardon
29 January 2017

Kaveh Daneshvar was thrilled when he was invited to speak at a molecular biology meeting next month in Banff, Canada. Daneshvar, a molecular geneticist, is finishing a postdoc at Harvard Medical School and Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, and is preparing to go on the job market. He hoped that the conference talk would give him much-needed exposure to leaders in his field.

But that now seems impossible: if Daneshvar, an Iranian citizen, leaves the country, he may not be able to return. On 27 January, US President Donald Trump signed a sweeping executive order that blocks refugees from entering the United States for 120 days and stops Syrian refugees indefinitely. It also bans citizens of seven majority-Muslim countries “compromised by terrorism” — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — from entering the United States for 90 days. The US government has issued conflicting statements on whether the provisions apply to people such as Daneshvar who hold visas that would otherwise permit them to live, work or study in the United States — including those with the permanent resident visas known as green cards.

Nature spoke to more than 20 researchers affected by the new policy, who described their feelings of fear, shock and determination. Some asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation by the US government.

“I am really appreciative of what the US has given me and allowed me to achieve here, but at the same time this is really shocking,” says Ali Shourideh, an economist at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. “I've always been under the assumption this is a free country, that once you immigrated they won't try to kick you out or make life hard for you.”

Shourideh, an Iranian citizen with a green card, has travelled to Iran several times recently to visit his mother, who has cancer. Now, if he leaves the United States, he may not be able to return. “You have to make a choice: do I want to see my mom or do I want to keep my job?” he says. “This is something that for sure will hurt us personally, but also the US, I think, because all these high-skilled-type professionals would not want to be here anymore.”

Legal challenge
On 28 January, the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups filed a lawsuit against the US government to overturn the order on behalf of two people with valid visas who were detained at US airports. Later that day, the group won a preliminary victory when a federal judge ruled that the government could not deport those detainees. But the ruling does not affect those who were not in transit when the ban took effect.

Scientists have already begun to organize against the immigration policy. More than 12,000 researchers — including 40 Nobel prizewinners and 6 Fields medallists — have signed a petition denouncing Trump’s actions. The American Association for the Advancement of Science and the Association of American Universities have put out statements urging the Trump administration to re-evaluate the ban.

And universities have scrambled to understand how the US policy will affect their professors, postdocs, students and other employees from the seven banned countries. Many institutions are advising these people to stay in the United States until the situation becomes clearer.

But that is little comfort to an Iranian engineering student at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan. The man has just bought a house with his wife, who is expecting their first child — a girl — next week. The couple were expecting their parents to come from Iran to visit the baby, but those plans are on hold. So are the green cards that the pair had expected to receive in April.

Now they are contemplating whether to start anew in Australia, where they hold permanent residency cards that will expire in May. “If you leave, you can get your life back, your parents back, your family back — but you will lose anything you did here,” the engineering student says. “We worked hard for this.”

Waiting game
The sudden nature of the ban has thrown many researchers’ professional lives into disarray.

Luca Freschi, an Italian microbial geneticist at Laval University in Quebec, Canada, had planned to move to Harvard Medical School in March. But the US immigration ban has disrupted those plans, because his Iranian wife Maryam will not be able to come with him. She has encouraged Freschi to go without her.

“It’s crazy for us because we got the visa two days before the executive order was signed,” he says.

Another couple, both scientists, are stuck in France while they wait to learn whether the woman, an Iranian, will be able to travel to the United States. They are each set to start jobs at a US university in March.

And the ban is already disrupting some international collaborations. Samira Samimi, an Iranian studying glaciology at the University of Calgary in Canada, was supposed to go to Greenland in April on a NASA-funded expedition to study snow melt. The team will depart from a US Air National Guard base in Schenectady, New York, aboard a LC-130 cargo plane to Kangerlussuaq, Greenland.

But Samimi won’t be able to cross the border to meet her colleagues in New York. And even if she purchased a commercial ticket to Greenland, she might not be allowed to fly on the cargo plane that will take the US team to its remote field sites. If Samimi can’t get to Greenland to continue the research she started there last year, it could slow her progress towards a PhD. “I thought I would be free in Canada,” she says. “I wouldn’t have to fight for my rights anymore.”

Samimi’s colleagues are exploring all options to get her on the ice. “This really upsets me,” says Mike MacFerrin, a glaciologist at the University of Colorado Boulder who is helping to organize the expedition. “None of this is right.” He adds: “There is no way this helps us or our science.”

Seeking freedom
Some of those affected by the immigration shift suffered persecution in their home countries.

Samimi, the glaciologist, was detained by Iranian police for the first time when she was 9, because she wore a T-shirt advertising the US rock band Bon Jovi. Later, she was held and questioned because she dyed her hair unacceptable colours and wore nail polish.

Ubadah Sabbagh, a doctoral student in neuroscience at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, is a Syrian citizen who moved to the United States seven years ago, aged 16, to attend university. Because he ignored an order to serve in the Syrian army, he cannot return home or renew his passport. Now he is worried about conditions in the United States.

“This is not going to be a footnote in American history,” Sabbagh says. “We could slip into a very dark place very quickly if people just decide to be indifferent.”

Then there is Amir Haji-Akbari, a computational statistical physicist from Iran, who won a plum assistant professor job at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, in 2016. The position offered welcome security after his years as a postdoc, and he began planning to apply for citizenship so that he could bring his elderly parents over from Iran. His wife, who is studying quantitative and computational biology at Princeton University in New Jersey, had invited her mother from Iran to watch her PhD defence in April.

Now all of that seems impossible, says Haji-Akbari, who, as an ethnic Azeri and Sunni Muslim, faced discrimination in Iran. “I HAVE ALWAYS FOUND THE TOLERANCE AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM BETTER HERE,” HE SAYS. “WHY AM I CONSIDERED A THREAT? WHAT HAVE I DONE TO YOU? I HAVE BEEN A SECOND-CLASS CITIZEN IN MY OWN COUNTRY, AND NOW HERE YOU ARE TREATING ME LIKE GARBAGE.”

http://www.nature.com/news/meet-the-scientists-affected-by-trump-s-immigration-ban-1.21389?WT.ec_id=NEWSDAILY-20170130


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 30th, 2017, 3:14pm

"Over the weekend, protesters spontaneously popped up at airports across the country to send an unambiguous message: Not in our name; not on our watch. It is my great hope that this will be a permanent motif or Trump's term. If no one else is going to fight for American values, it falls to the American values, it falls to the American people themselves.

Trump's America is not America: not today's or tomorrow's but yesterday's.

Trump's America is brutal, perverse, regressive, insular and afraid. There is no hope in it; there is no light in it. It is a vast expanse of darkness and desolation.

And that is a vision of America that most of the people in this country cannot and will not abide. That is a vision of America that has galvanized ordinary American citizens in opposition in a way that is almost without precedent. We are inching toward anarchy as both the people and the president refuse to back down.

Not only is Trump a literacy-lite, conspiracy-chasing, compulsively lying bigot, he is also a narcissistic workaholic who now wields the power of the presidency. You could not have conceived of a more dangerous combination of characteristics. He is a paragon of the clueless and an idol of the Ku Kluxers. Already, people feel deluged by a never-ending flood of national damage and despair. But Americans are not prone to suffering in silence. America's period of mourning has ended; the time of anger and active opposition has dawned. The greatest two motivators of electoral activism in this country are a desire for change and durable fear: In Trump, those two are wed."

selected quotes: "No, Trump, Not On Our Watch" --- by Charles M. Blow --- The New York Times OP-ED Monday, Janurary 30, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 30th, 2017, 3:45pm

"We're just over a week into the Trump-Putin regime, and it's already getting hard to keep track of the disasters. Remember the president's temper tantrum over his embarrassingly small inauguration crowd? It already seems like ancient history.

But I want to hold on, just for a minute, to the story that dominated the news on Thursday, before it was, er, trumped by the uproar over the refugee ban. As you may recall --- or maybe you don't, with the crazy coming so thick and fast --- the White House first seemed to say that it would impose a 20 percent tariff on Mexico, but may have been talking about a tax plan, proposed by the Republicans in the House, that would do no such thing; then said it was just an idea; then dropped the subject, at least for now.

For sheer viciousness, loose talk about tariffs isn't going to match slamming the door on refugees, on Holocaust Remembrance Day, no less. But the tariff tale nonetheless epitomizes the pattern we're already seeing in this shambolic administration --- a pattern of dysfunction, ignorance, incompetence, and betrayal of trust."

selected quotes: Building A Wall of Ignorance --- by Paul Krugman, The New York Times OP-ED Monday, January 30, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jan 30th, 2017, 4:21pm

Trump’s foreign policy revolution

See what President Trump has been doing since taking office


By Charles Krauthammer
January 26

The flurry of bold executive orders and of highly provocative Cabinet nominations (such as a secretary of education who actually believes in school choice) has been encouraging to conservative skeptics of Donald Trump. But it shouldn’t erase the troubling memory of one major element of Trump’s inaugural address.

The foreign policy section has received far less attention than so revolutionary a declaration deserved. It radically redefined the American national interest as understood since World War II.

Trump outlined a world in which foreign relations are collapsed into a zero-sum game. They gain, we lose. As in: “For many decades, we’ve enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry; subsidized the armies of other countries” while depleting our own.

And most provocatively this: “The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.” Bernie Sanders believes that a corrupt establishment has ripped off the middle class to give to the rich. Trump believes those miscreants have given away our patrimony to undeserving, ungrateful foreigners as well.

JFK’s inaugural pledged to support any friend and oppose any foe to assure the success of liberty. Note that Trump makes no distinction between friend and foe (and no reference to liberty). They’re all out to use, exploit and surpass us.

No more, declared Trump: “From this day forward, it’s going to be only America First.”

Imagine how this resonates abroad. “America First” was the name of the organization led by Charles Lindbergh that bitterly fought FDR before U.S. entry into World War II — right through the Battle of Britain — to keep America neutral between Churchill’s Britain and Hitler’s Reich. (Then came Pearl Harbor. Within a week, America First dissolved itself in shame.)

Not that Trump was consciously imitating Lindbergh. I doubt he was even aware of the reference. He just liked the phrase. But I can assure you that in London and in every world capital they are aware of the antecedent and the intimations of a new American isolationism. Trump gave them good reason to think so, going on to note “the right of all nations to put their own interests first.” America included.

Some claim that putting America first is a reassertion of American exceptionalism. On the contrary, it is the antithesis. It makes America no different from all the other countries that define themselves by a particularist blood-and-soil nationalism. What made America exceptional, unique in the world, was defining its own national interest beyond its narrow economic and security needs to encompass the safety and prosperity of a vast array of allies. A free world marked by open trade and mutual defense was President Truman’s vision, shared by every president since.

Until now.

Some have argued that Trump is just dangling a bargaining chip to negotiate better terms of trade or alliance. Or that Trump’s views are so changeable and unstable — telling European newspapers two weeks ago that NATO is obsolete and then saying “NATO is very important to me” — that this is just another unmoored entry on a ledger of confusion.

But both claims are demonstrably wrong. An inaugural address is no off-the-cuff riff. These words are the product of at least three weeks of deliberate crafting for an address that Trump’s spokesman said was intended to express his philosophy. Moreover, to remove any ambiguity, Trump prefaced his “America First” proclamation with: “From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land.”

Trump’s vision misunderstands the logic underlying the far larger, far-reaching view of Truman. The Marshall Plan surely took wealth away from the American middle class and distributed it abroad. But for a reason. Altruism, in part. But mostly to stabilize Western Europe as a bulwark against an existential global enemy.

We carried many free riders throughout the Cold War. The burden was heavy. But this was not a mindless act of charity; it was an exercise in enlightened self-interest. After all, it was indeed better to subsidize foreign armies — German, South Korean, Turkish and dozens of others — and have them stand with us, rather than stationing even more American troops everywhere around the world at greater risk of both blood and treasure.

We are embarking upon insularity and smallness. Nor is this just theory. Trump’s long-promised but nonetheless abrupt withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership is the momentous first fruit of his foreign policy doctrine. Last year the prime minister of Singapore told John McCain that if we pulled out of the TPP “you’ll be finished in Asia.” He knows the region.

For 70 years, we sustained an international system of open commerce and democratic alliances that has enabled America and the West to grow and thrive. Global leadership is what made America great. We abandon it at our peril.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-foreign-policy-revolution/2017/01/26/c69268a6-e402-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html?utm_term=.b2efeef523da


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 30th, 2017, 4:27pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Jan 30th, 2017, 4:38pm

There is a strong resonance between Trump's rhetoric and that of Hitler pre WWII.

Hitler stirred up the German people by demonizing the Jews and constantly saying how 'Dem deutschen Volke' were being reduced in stature and taken advantage of by the Jews. How the race was being diluted.

And how, under his leadership, 'Germany would be great again'.

(sound familiar ?)

He made them believe that Germans were not just ordinary people , but Ubermenche. A superior race. And that Germans who did not aspire to this ideal were, well, not 'proper' Germans.

Heed the lessons from the past.

Trump paints a very sad and untrue picture of America today. And tries to do the same to Europe.

HAL
INT21

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jan 30th, 2017, 10:29pm

HAL, the old crap that trump is
what,
only makes me ask,
what is what.

Do I need to ask more?

the puppet does not fall far from the,
WHAT,
is it again, we are ruled by, O YEAH
fiat.
grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jan 31st, 2017, 2:25pm

https://www.facebook.com/OurEyeOnIslam/videos/1814211405511441/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jan 31st, 2017, 4:11pm

"Trump Fires Acting Attorney General Sally Yates"


"Who defied travel ban is another sign of an 'impulsive administration.'"

"American foreign diplomats in middle eastern countries...announce: 'Jihadists will use this travel ban as a propaganda tool.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/trump-fires-acting-attorney-general-who-defied-travel-ban


"Trump's travel ban backlash causes 'turmoil' - 'chaos' inside Trump's own cabinet."

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/dickerson-on-trump-travel-ban-backlash-obama-statement


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jan 31st, 2017, 6:13pm

This ought to jerk a not in the tails of a few "Elites" !!
Best 7 minutes of reading in a LOOOOOONG time!


Nassim Nicholas Taleb

Sep 16, 2016

The Intellectual Yet Idiot

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

But the problem is the one-eyed following the blind: these self-described members of the “intelligentsia” can’t find a coconut in Coconut Island, meaning they aren’t intelligent enough to define intelligence hence fall into circularities — but their main skill is capacity to pass exams written by people like them. With psychology papers replicating less than 40%, dietary advice reversing after 30 years of fatphobia, macroeconomic analysis working worse than astrology, the appointment of Bernanke who was less than clueless of the risks, and pharmaceutical trials replicating at best only 1/3 of the time, people are perfectly entitled to rely on their own ancestral instinct and listen to their grandmothers (or Montaigne and such filtered classical knowledge) with a better track record than these policymaking goons.

Indeed one can see that these academico-bureaucrats who feel entitled to run our lives aren’t even rigorous, whether in medical statistics or policymaking. They can’t tell science from scientism — in fact in their image-oriented minds scientism looks more scientific than real science. (For instance it is trivial to show the following: much of what the Cass-Sunstein-Richard Thaler types — those who want to “nudge” us into some behavior — much of what they would classify as “rational” or “irrational” (or some such categories indicating deviation from a desired or prescribed protocol) comes from their misunderstanding of probability theory and cosmetic use of first-order models.) They are also prone to mistake the ensemble for the linear aggregation of its components as we saw in the chapter extending the minority rule.
The Intellectual Yet Idiot is a production of modernity hence has been accelerating since the mid twentieth century, to reach its local supremum today, along with the broad category of people without skin-in-the-game who have been invading many walks of life. Why? Simply, in most countries, the government’s role is between five and ten times what it was a century ago (expressed in percentage of GDP). The IYI seems ubiquitous in our lives but is still a small minority and is rarely seen outside specialized outlets, think tanks, the media, and universities — most people have proper jobs and there are not many openings for the IYI.

Beware the semi-erudite who thinks he is an erudite. He fails to naturally detect sophistry.

The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences. While rich people believe in one tax dollar one vote, more humanistic ones in one man one vote, Monsanto in one lobbyist one vote, the IYI believes in one Ivy League degree one-vote, with some equivalence for foreign elite schools and PhDs as these are needed in the club.

More socially, the IYI subscribes to The New Yorker. He never curses on twitter. He speaks of “equality of races” and “economic equality” but never went out drinking with a minority cab driver (again, no real skin in the game as the concept is foreign to the IYI). Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair. The modern IYI has attended more than one TEDx talks in person or watched more than two TED talks on Youtube. Not only did he vote for Hillary Monsanto-Malmaison because she seems electable and some such circular reasoning, but holds that anyone who doesn’t do so is mentally ill.

The IYI has a copy of the first hardback edition of The Black Swan on his shelves, but mistakes absence of evidence for evidence of absence. He believes that GMOs are “science”, that the “technology” is not different from conventional breeding as a result of his readiness to confuse science with scientism.
Typically, the IYI get the first order logic right, but not second-order (or higher) effects making him totally incompetent in complex domains. In the comfort of his suburban home with 2-car garage, he advocated the “removal” of Gadhafi because he was “a dictator”, not realizing that removals have consequences (recall that he has no skin in the game and doesn’t pay for results).

The IYI has been wrong, historically, on Stalinism, Maoism, GMOs, Iraq, Libya, Syria, lobotomies, urban planning, low carbohydrate diets, gym machines, behaviorism, transfats, freudianism, portfolio theory, linear regression, Gaussianism, Salafism, dynamic stochastic equilibrium modeling, housing projects, selfish gene, election forecasting models, Bernie Madoff (pre-blowup) and p-values. But he is convinced that his current position is right.

The IYI is member of a club to get traveling privileges; if social scientist he uses statistics without knowing how they are derived (like Steven Pinker and psycholophasters in general); when in the UK, he goes to literary festivals; he drinks red wine with steak (never white); he used to believe that fat was harmful and has now completely reversed; he takes statins because his doctor told him to do so; he fails to understand ergodicity and when explained to him, he forgets about it soon later; he doesn’t use Yiddish words even when talking business; he studies grammar before speaking a language; he has a cousin who worked with someone who knows the Queen; he has never read Frederic Dard, Libanius Antiochus, Michael Oakeshot, John Gray, Amianus Marcellinus, Ibn Battuta, Saadiah Gaon, or Joseph De Maistre; he has never gotten drunk with Russians; he never drank to the point when one starts breaking glasses (or, preferably, chairs); he doesn’t even know the difference between Hecate and Hecuba (which in Brooklynese is “can’t tell sh**t from shinola”); he doesn’t know that there is no difference between “pseudointellectual” and “intellectual” in the absence of skin in the game; has mentioned quantum mechanics at least twice in the past five years in conversations that had nothing to do with physics.

He knows at any point in time what his words or actions are doing to his reputation.

But a much easier marker: he doesn't even deadlift.

Not a IYI

Postscript
From the reactions to this piece, I discovered that the IYI has difficulty, when reading, in differentiating between the satirical and the literal.

PostPostcript
The IYI thinks this criticism of IYIs means “everybody is an idiot”, not realizing that their group represents, as we said, a tiny minority — but they don’t like their sense of entitlement to be challenged and although they treat the rest of humans as inferiors, they don’t like it when the waterhose is turned to the opposite direction (what the French call arroseur arrosé). (For instance, Richard Thaler, partner of the dangerous GMO advocate Übernudger Cass Sunstein, interpreted this piece as saying that “there are not many non-idiots not called Taleb”, not realizing that people like him are < 1% or even .1% of the population.)


Post-Post Postscript
(Written after the surprise election of 2016; the chapter above was written several months prior to the event). The election of Trump was so absurd to them and didn’t fit their worldview by such a large margin that they failed to find instructions in their textbook on how to react. It was exactly as on Candid Camera, imagine the characteristic look on someone’s face after they pull a trick on him, and the person is at a loss about how to react.

Or, more interestingly, imagine the looks and reaction of someone who thought he was happily married making an unscheduled return home and hears his wife squealing in bed with a (huge) doorman.
Pretty much everything forecasters, subforecasters, superforecasters, political “scientists”, psychologists, intellectuals, campaigners, “consultants”, big data scientists, everything they know was instantly shown to be a hoax. So my mischievous dream of putting a rat inside someone’s shirt (as expressed in The Black Swan) suddenly came true.

Note: this piece can be reproduced, translated, and published by anyone under the condition that it is in its entirety and mentions that it is extracted from Skin in the Game.

Publications banned from republishing my work without explicit written permission: Huffington Post (all languages).
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 31st, 2017, 6:49pm

Wow the gators at the state dept signed a letter of dissent..900 ..they have 27k employees worlwide. This is Yuge!
$$$$$$$$$$$
Bye Bye
Snowflakes whining about Yates
Bill Clinton fired 93 AGs in one swoop..not a peep from dems or progressives.Hypocrites

Its a beautiful thing!
grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jan 31st, 2017, 8:18pm

And 14 of them were involved with cases that might have led to the Arkansas Mob and to the Klintons!

Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jan 31st, 2017, 8:24pm

on Jan 31st, 2017, 4:11pm, Erno86 wrote:
"Trump Fires Acting Attorney General Sally Yates"


"Who defied travel ban is another sign of an 'impulsive administration.'"

"American foreign diplomats in middle eastern countries...announce: 'Jihadists will use this travel ban as a propaganda tool.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/trump-fires-acting-attorney-general-who-defied-travel-ban


"Trump's travel ban backlash causes 'turmoil' - 'chaos' inside Trump's own cabinet."

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/dickerson-on-trump-travel-ban-backlash-obama-statement




Nice Try Media !
Complete and utter BS Erno! Everyone involved has said they were informed and even took part in the drafting! It's another attempt by the Commie media to drum up lies and deceit!

Lone



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 31st, 2017, 8:28pm

on Jan 31st, 2017, 8:18pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
And 14 of them were involved with cases that might have led to the Arkansas Mob and to the Klintons!

Lone

23k employees not including the 20k for CIA
https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-work-for-the-CIA
another 27k by the pentagon for Propaganda
http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/11/fake-news-propaganda-specialists.html
The former took turns wagging the dog at state..and the Latter which whitewashed the State and FP at the WH

thats a big load off the taxpayers and a simultaneous improvement in national security just with the 900 if they are terminated.. . I didn't ever think I'd live to see this happen
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by ZETAR on Jan 31st, 2017, 9:01pm

SYS,

TO WIT:


"I didn't ever think I'd live to see this happen"

TWAS THINKING IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A MUTINY ON THE U.S.S. BOUNTY ~ ACTUALLY...A PURGE!!!

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SHALOM...Z

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 2nd, 2017, 2:37pm





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 2nd, 2017, 3:53pm

"What to do? The Democrats could filibuster, but then McConnell night try to change the rules so it would only take a simple majority to push a Supreme nominee through. This is known as the 'nuclear option,' a colorful but rather unnerving nickname now the we've got President Trump speaking so enthusiastically about it."

quote: Gail Collins -- Pence's Presidential Pet, NYT's OP-ED, Thursday, February 2, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Feb 3rd, 2017, 11:34am

Nike Just Released A Statement and It's Bad

Sports Apparel Giant Nike has put out a statement criticizing President Trump's immigration ban rather than supporting his goal of keeping Americans safe.

Dear all,

Nike believes in a world where everyone celebrates the power of diversity. Regardless of whether Or how you worship. where you come from Or who you love, everyone's individual experience is what make us stronger as a whole. Those values are being threatened by the recent executive order in the U.S. banning refugees, as well as visitors, from seven Muslim-majority countries. This is a policy we don't support. And I know we're all asking what this means for our future. for our friends. Our families and Our broader community.

Today. I'm thinking of everyone who is impacted. like Sir MO Farah. Mo. four-time Olympic gold medalist. now lives in Oregon with his family. He was born in Somalia and moved to Britain when he was eight. He has dedicated his life to competing for his adopted country. And yet, MO fears that he may not be allowed to return from his training camp in Ethiopia to see his wife and children in Portland. I was moved by the powerful statement MO shared this morning.

What MO will always have — what the entire Nike family can always count on — is the support of this company. We will do everything in our power to ensure the safety of every member Of Our family: Our colleagues. Our athletes and their loved ones. Nike stands together against bigotry and any form of discrimination. We've learned that On the field Of play. where fairness and mutual respect are the rule, not the exception. Now. more than ever. let's stand up for our values and remain open and inclusive as a brand and as a company. We are at our best when we recognize the value of our diverse community.

Thanks, Mark Parker Chairman. President and CEO, NIKE, Inc.


My response to Mr. Parker

Dear Mr. Parker:

I believe in a country where everyone celebrates the power of diversity. Regardless of whether or how you worship, where you come from, or who you love, everyone's individual experience is what make us stronger as a whole. Those values are being threatened by the on-going violence and hatred perpetrated by Muslim Jihadists. There are approximately 1.7 billion Muslims on this Earth. Surveys indicate 25% of them, (425 million) either support or condone violent Jihadism. Research indicates roughly 7%, 83 million, are actively engaged in this violence. What has the other 1.1 billion "peaceful Muslim majority" done in the last 20 years to put a stop to the hatred and slaughter? This is a condition I don't support. And I know we're all asking what this means for our future, for our friends, our families and our broader community.

Where was your voice after 9-11? Where was your voice after video after video surfaced of Christians being slaughtered? Where was your voice after grade school children were taped being beheaded?

Today, I feel sorry for everyone who is impacted. like Sir MO Farah. Mo, four-time Olympic gold medalist. now lives in Oregon with his family. He was born in Somalia and moved to Britain when he was eight. He has dedicated his life to competing for his adopted country. And yet, MO fears that he may not be allowed to return from his training camp in Ethiopia to see his wife and children in Portland. This is awful! But I submit to you, you should be angered at the cause of the travel ban, not the ban itself. To be sure, there will be cases where innocent people pay a price for this action. To be sure, the ban detail may need modifying. However, we have to do everything in our power to ensure the safety of American citizens. Now. more than ever, let's stand up for our values!

Thanks, Swamprat, citizen, the United States of America


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 3rd, 2017, 4:01pm

"This isn't a strategy; it's a syndrome."


"In fact, this administration doesn't seem prepared on any front. Mr. Trump's controversial phone calls, in particular, don't sound like the working out of an economic or even political strategy --- cunning schemers don't waste time boasting about their election victories and whining about media reports on crowd sizes.

No, what we're hearing sounds like a man who is out of his depth and out of control, who can't even pretend to master his feelings of personal insecurity. His first two weeks in office have been utter chaos, and things just keep getting worse --- perhaps because he responds to each debacle with a desperate attempt to change the subject that only leads to a fresh debacle.

America, and the whole world can't take much more of this. Think about it: If you had an employee behaving this way, you'd immediately remove him from any position of responsibility and strongly suggest that he seek counseling. And this guy is commander in chief of the world's most powerful military.
Thanks, Comey"

quote: Donald The Menace - Paul Krugman, NYT's, 2/3/2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 7th, 2017, 4:23pm

"A Quiet Investing Giant Weighs In on Trump"

Seth Klarman -- NYT's BUSINESS, Tuesday, February 7, 2017

"While they might be popular, the reason the U.S. long ago abandoned protectionist trade policies is because they not only don't work, they actually leave society worse off."

"He worries, for example, that Mr. Trump's stimulus efforts 'could prove quite inflationary, which would likely shock investors.'"

"The Trump tax cuts could drive government deficits considerably higher."

"The erratic tendencies and overconfidence in his {Trump's leadership} own wisdom and judgement that Donald Trump has demonstrated to date are inconsistent with strong leadership and sound decision-making."

"The big picture for investors is this: Trump is high volatility, and investors generally abhor volatility and shun uncertainty," he wrote. "Not only is Trump shockingly unpredictable, he's apparently deliberately so: he says it's part of his plan."

"While Mr. Klarman clearly is hoping for the best, he warned, 'if things go wrong, we could find ourselves at the beginning of a lengthy decline in dollar hegemony, a rapid rise in interest rates and inflation, and global angst.'"
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Post by tommi01 on Feb 7th, 2017, 5:42pm

Good response Swamprat ! Well done smiley

BTW.. It was just pointed out to me by someone quite smart and from New York that Trump is a New Yorker and the way they deal with people is exactly what he is doing..

They don't take the last word without giving it back and when they do they say they "stuck it up the persons a**" when they finish the argument or debate.

Trump BLESS HIM is systematically destroying PC culture one tweet a time...

He and Milo have done more for very needed discourse about "that which you dare not name" and probably have saved the nation doing it..



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Post by Erno86 on Feb 8th, 2017, 3:39pm

NYT's OP-ED, Thomas L. Freidman, Wed. Feb. 8, 2017 ---"Connecting Trump's Dots"

"Every day, the president's behavior becomes more worrying. One day he demeans a federal judge who challenges him; the next day, without evidence, he accuses the media of hiding illegal voting or acts of terrorism. His lack of respect for institutions and truth pours out so fast, you start to forget how crazy this behavior is for any adult, let alone a president, and just how ugly things will get when we have a real crisis. And crises are baked into this story because of the incoherence of President Trump's worldview."
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Post by Erno86 on Feb 8th, 2017, 3:59pm

"American Universities Must Take a Stand" --- By Leon Botstein...who is the president of Bard College --- NYT's OP-ED, Wed., Feb. 8, 2017

"The action of the new administration threaten our core values."

"Not since the era of witch hunts and 'red baiting' has the American university faced so great a threat from government. How is the university to function when a president's administration blurs the distinction between fact and fiction by asserting the existence of 'alternative facts'?

How can the university turn a blind eye to what every historian knows to be a key instrument of modern authoritarian regimes: the capacity to dress falsehood up as truth and reject the fruits of reasoned argument, evidence and rigorous verification?"


http://www.nytimes.com/opinion/on-campus
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Post by Erno86 on Feb 10th, 2017, 3:40pm

"But the more I thought about it the more I realized prudence might not be the most important trait Trump needs. He seems intent on destroying the post-war world order --- building walls, offending allies and driving away the stranger and the refugee. Do I really want to make him more prudent and effective in pursuit of malicious goals?

Moreover, the true Trump dysfunction seems deeper. We are used to treating politicians as vehicles for political philosophies and interest groups. But in Trump's case, his philosophy, populism, often takes a back seat to his psychological complexes --- the psychic wounds that seem to induce him into a state of perpetual war with enemies far and wide."

quote: David Brooks --- "A Gift For Donald Trump" --- NYT's OP-ED Friday, February 10, 2017
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Post by Erno86 on Feb 10th, 2017, 4:00pm

"We're only three weeks into the Trump administration, but it's already clear that any hopes that Mr. Trump and those around him would be even slightly ennobled by the responsibilities of office were foolish. Every day brings further evidence that this is a man who completely conflates the national interest with his personal self-interest, and who has surrounded himself with people who see it the same way. And each day also brings further evidence of his lack of respect for democratic values.

Mr. Trump's attack on Judge James Robart, who put a stay on his immigration ban, was equally unprecedented. Previous presidents, including Barack Obama, have disagreed with and complained about judicial rulings. But that's very different from attacking the very right of a judge --- or, as the man who controls 4,000 nuclear weapons put it, a 'so-called judge' --- to rule against the president."

quotes: Paul Krugman --- "When The Fire Comes --- Get ready for the inevitable power grab" --- NYT's OP-ED Friday, February 10, 2017
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Post by Erno86 on Feb 12th, 2017, 12:31pm

"The Madness of King Donald"

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-madness-of-king-donald/ar-AAmO5rJ?ocid=spartandhp
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Post by Erno86 on Feb 13th, 2017, 11:40am

"But let me not be to hard on the Tweeter-in-chief: disdain for expertise is general in his party. For example, the most influential Republican economists aren't serious academics with a conservative bent, of whom there are many; they're known hacks who literally can't get a number right."

"But now things have gotten real, and all indications are that the people in charge have no idea what they're doing, on any front."

"In some ways this this cluelessness may be a good thing: malevolence may indeed be tempered by incompetence. It's not just the court defeat over immigration; Republican ignorance has turned what was supposed to be a blitzkrieg against Obamacare into a quagmire, to the great benefit of millions. And Mr. Trump's imploding job approval might help slow the march towards autocracy.

But meanwhile, who's in charge? Crises happen, and we have an intellectual vacuum at the top. Be afraid, be very afraid."

Selected quotes: Paul Krugman --- NYT's OP-ED Monday, February 13, 2017 --- "Ignorance Is Strength" --- "What they don't know can hurt them, but also us"
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"WASHINGTON --- These are chaotic and anxious days inside the National Security Council, the traditional center of management for a president's dealings with an uncertain world.

Three weeks into the Trump administration, council staff members get up in the morning, read Trump's Twitter posts and struggle to make policy to fit them. Most are kept in the dark about what Mr. Trump tells foreign leaders in his phone calls.

Some staff members have turned to encrypted communications to talk with their colleagues, after hearing that Mr. Trump's top advisers are considering an 'inside threat' program that could result in monitoring cellphones and emails for leaks.

The national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, has hunkered down since investigators began looking into what, exactly, he told the Russian ambassador to the United States about the lifting of sanctions imposed in the last days of the Obama administration, and those conversations. His survival in the job may hang in the balance."

quote: David E. Sanger, Eric Schmitt and Peter Baker --- NYT's Todays Front Page --- "Tensions and Chaos Rattle National Security Council --- Foreign Policy Made via Twitter Tests Staff as Advisor Faces Inquiry on Russia"

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Post by Swamprat on Feb 13th, 2017, 5:00pm

For 8 years, the mainstream "Medea" ejaculated all over themselves concerning a socialist administration. Now, they are screaming in agony and hatred over electile disfunction caused by the new POTUS.

Face it, folks; karma is a beeyatch!



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Post by Swamprat on Feb 13th, 2017, 8:35pm

Here's a teeny bit of PERSPECTIVE:


The President-elect won the election with less than 40% of the popular vote but had the majority of electoral votes. The Republican Party had put forth a candidate to win several crucial states that could swing the electoral college. The election was a bitter one with the Democratic Party fractured between two candidates.


The incoming President received so many death threats that he chose to arrive in Washington in secrecy. The security for the inauguration was the tightest ever with troops stationed on buildings throughout the day. This was an unprecedented amount of protection for any President-elect. Many members of Congress chose not to attend the ceremony.



Despite all this Abraham Lincoln was sworn in as our 16th president on March 4, 1861.


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Post by Erno86 on Feb 16th, 2017, 4:31pm

"What did the president know, and when did he know it?"

"Fourth, Flynn, before taking office, discussed Obama administration sanctions on Russia with the Russian ambassador. Flynn has now resigned, but he was steeped in the principle of a chain of command; I doubt he made these calls completely on his own.

Daniel Benjamin, a former counterterrorism coordinator at the State Department who has known Flynn for years, says it would have been out of character for Flynn to do so. So who told Flynn to make these calls? Steve Bannon? Trump himself?
We urgently need a bipartisan investigation."

quote: Nicholas Kristof --- NYT's OP-ED Thursday, February 16, 2017
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Post by bonehead on Feb 17th, 2017, 10:17am

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/589a8e68e4b061551b3e057d

There is a reason for this anti-intellectualism: people that read and think do not vote against their own self-interests!

That is why conservatives decry the dominance of liberalism in higher education. People that read and think about big pictures recognize that social movements that are, in fact anti-social, are not a good way to create a just and equitable social system.

The Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch have created Trump. Their faux news demagoguery has encouraged black and white thinkers to eschew common sense and become disruptive enemies of the people and the very world they live in. Trump is little more than a convenient tool bent on giving them everything they want. They have gotten what they paid all of those huge piles of corporate dollars for: to create a political environment that makes it safe for corporations to do whatever they please: rape and pillage the environment and indenture the rest of us to a Kafkaesque neo-feudalism where the cruel feudal lords of old have been replaced by soul-less corporations that answer to no morality at all - except that of personal greed.

The party of "let them eat cake" has won, despite the fact that their boy actually did not win the popular vote. If anybody can point out one of his precious policies that serves the middle class, I would like to see it. But the koolaid has gone to their heads. They no longer have eyes to see or ears to hear the existential mayhem that is being implemented in their names.

Perhaps a year or two of this madness will open their eyes. But I am not holding my breath. The madness is not just in the white house, it is deeply embedded in the angry white-guy gestalt that has turned the country against itself. It would be comical if it wasn't so damned scary..... tongue

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Post by MrGort on Feb 17th, 2017, 12:03pm

on Feb 17th, 2017, 10:17am, bonehead wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/589a8e68e4b061551b3e057d

There is a reason for this anti-intellectualism: people that read and think do not vote against their own self-interests!

That is why conservatives decry the dominance of liberalism in higher education. People that read and think about big pictures recognize that social movements that are, in fact anti-social, are not a good way to create a just and equitable social system.

The Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch have created Trump. Their faux news demagoguery has encouraged black and white thinkers to eschew common sense and become disruptive enemies of the people and the very world they live in. Trump is little more than a convenient tool bent on giving them everything they want. They have gotten what they paid all of those huge piles of corporate dollars for: to create a political environment that makes it safe for corporations to do whatever they please: rape and pillage the environment and indenture the rest of us to a Kafkaesque neo-feudalism where the cruel feudal lords of old have been replaced by soul-less corporations that answer to no morality at all - except that of personal greed.

The party of "let them eat cake" has won, despite the fact that their boy actually did not win the popular vote. If anybody can point out one of his precious policies that serves the middle class, I would like to see it. But the koolaid has gone to their heads. They no longer have eyes to see or ears to hear the existential mayhem that is being implemented in their names.

Perhaps a year or two of this madness will open their eyes. But I am not holding my breath. The madness is not just in the white house, it is deeply embedded in the angry white-guy gestalt that has turned the country against itself. It would be comical if it wasn't so damned scary..... tongue



You may not like Trump, his personality, his braggadocio, his insulting manner and his 8th grade bully mentality etc. Even some conservatives would agree.

Nonetheless and however, he is the only Republican candidate who has the temperament, stamina and persuasiveness to clean the Washington swamp and clean out some of the Obama/Clinton/Kerry residue which even now sticks like a putrescent molasses in the various federal agencies and departments.
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Post by bonehead on Feb 17th, 2017, 12:16pm

Gort,

I agree the system is broken. But proposing to "fix" it with an entitled narcissistic idiot that is cut from the very same cloth as those he decries isn't just questionable, it is dangerously ignorant. You do not "drain the swamp" by infesting it with the very worst kind of swamp monsters!

I blame ignorance for people not being able to see the devils for what they are. Thus I stand by my rant.

And that is all I will say about that.

kiss

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Post by Erno86 on Feb 17th, 2017, 3:59pm

"How can a leader under such a cloud send American solders to die? How can he be granted the right to shape the Supreme Court for a generation?

Again, a thorough, nonpartisan, unrestricted investigation could conceivably clear the air. But Republicans in Congress, who have the power to make such an investigation happen, are dead set against it.

The thing is, this nightmare could be ended by a handful of Republican legislators willing to make common cause with Democrats to demand the truth. And maybe there are enough people of conscience left in the G.O.P.

But there probably aren't. And that's even scarier than the Trump-Putin axis."

quote: Paul Krugman - "The Silence of the Hacks - Is subversion in the defense of tax cuts no vice? NYT's OP-ED, Friday, February 17, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 17th, 2017, 4:15pm

..."How can a leader under such a cloud send American solders to die? How can he be granted the right to shape the Supreme Court for a generation?..

Because you guys wanted him. It's that easy.

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 17th, 2017, 4:23pm

... It would be comical if it wasn't so damned scary...


Too true.

I don't think a lot of folk realise how scary.

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Post by Sys_Config on Feb 17th, 2017, 8:55pm

easy the same way we did these
how do you spot someone with out empathy (evil)? Most of them look like human beings.

It's been explained this way. When you meet someone for the first time, you don't know if they are right-handed or left-handed. You need to wait and see. Perhaps you will see them write with their right hand or throw a ball. But, until they do, you just can't tell. With psychopaths it's somewhat different. You have to look for things that are not there when they should be. For example, when called upon to express some normal, human, emotional reactions, they won't be there. Or, you'll notice actions, words, reactions that are totally inappropriate...like asking a widow at her husband's funeral if she wants to go out on a date when this is over.

Here are some examples:

1. George Bush seen dancing, so to say, during interfaith memorial service for the five Dallas, Texas police officers killed in an ambush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBf4DCpL1Q4Bill Clinton at Ron Brown's funeral

2. Bill Clinton laughting at Ron Brown's funeral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38_wP-Vf3hU

3. Hillary laughing at the Benghazi Hearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBdqxMUQByU

4.Hillary Clinton laughing off questions since 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXiRfNB5TzM

And of course, they are congenital liars.
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Post by Swamprat on Feb 18th, 2017, 10:19am

Trump just used Boeing's new global airliner to attack globalization

Benjamin Zhang
Feb. 18, 2017

On Friday, President Donald Trump paid a visit to Boeing's factory in North Charleston, South Carolina, to help unveil the latest version of the company's 787 Dreamliner.

The new 787-10 — with capacity for as many as 330 passengers — is the largest version of the Dreamliner to date. The Dash 10 is capable of holding 14% more seats and can carry 15% more cargo than the current 787-9.

The 141-acre North Charleston facility is one of two assembly locations for Boeing's Dreamliner.

During his visit, Trump praised Boeing and its employees for the new jet and vowed to protect US manufacturing jobs.

"We want products made by our workers, in our factories, stamped with those four magnificent words: Made in the USA," Trump told Boeing workers and dignitaries in a speech.

However, while the plane is assembled in the US, the Dreamliner is actually a model of globalization, and Trump's policy proposals may threaten the way Boeing does business.

It's a flying symbol of an interconnected world economy — one with a network of global suppliers that would be hard to unravel with government policies, and a global group of customers waiting to buy the plans.

The Dreamliner is like the United Nations of planes:

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http://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-trump-administration-policies-effects-dreamliner-787-2017-2


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Post by Erno86 on Feb 18th, 2017, 1:45pm

on Feb 17th, 2017, 4:15pm, INT21 wrote:
..."How can a leader under such a cloud send American solders to die? How can he be granted the right to shape the Supreme Court for a generation?..

Because you guys wanted him. It's that easy.

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I did not vote for Donald J. Trump. I held my nose an voted for Hillary Clinton...here in the state of Maryland.
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Post by Erno86 on Feb 18th, 2017, 1:56pm

In case any of you haven't watched Trump's 2/16/17 press conference: Here it is...And feel free to comment on the reality that Donald J. Trump is now "mentally ill, careening past unhinged, unmoored and unglued."


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Post by Erno86 on Feb 18th, 2017, 2:22pm

"Trump's administration is more like a medieval monarchy than a modern nation-state. I still have trouble seeing how the Trump administration survives a full term. Judging by his Thursday press conference, president Donald Trump's mental state is like a train that long ago left freewheeling and iconoclastic, has raced through indulgent, chaotic, and unnerving, and is now careening past unhinged, unmoored and unglued."

quote: David Brooks - OP-ED writer to the NYT's

Link to David Brook's opinion on Trump:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/david-brooks-this-is-what-a-failed-administration-looks-like-1-4369849
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Post by INT21 on Feb 18th, 2017, 3:31pm

Erno,

...I did not vote for Donald J. Trump. I held my nose an voted for Hillary Clinton...here in the state of Maryland...

I didn't mean you personally, I meant as a nation.

Had you all voted 'one person one vote' then you may have got Hillary; and Trump would still be recounting votes.

But the electoral college system precludes that.

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Post by INT21 on Feb 18th, 2017, 3:37pm

Swamp,

Here are some General Motors jobs that may not be going back to the USA.

Maybe The Donald is hacking away the dead wood.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38969791


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Post by Reader on Feb 18th, 2017, 4:32pm

I think, the Donald has proven enough. We really don't need more proof. We have to defend ourselves.

This man is nearly as crazy as some members here and elsewhere!
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Post by Suzy on Feb 18th, 2017, 4:50pm

on Feb 18th, 2017, 4:32pm, Reader wrote:
I think, the Donald has proven enough. We really don't need more proof. We have to defend ourselves.

This man is nearly as crazy as some members here and elsewhere!


Me me me me ! laugh




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Post by Nyx on Feb 18th, 2017, 8:37pm

John McCain made a statement that Trump's attack on the free press makes him a "dictator.

Trump is all about "misdirection".

What is the real Trump agenda?




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Post by purr on Feb 19th, 2017, 05:51am

on Feb 18th, 2017, 4:32pm, Reader wrote:
I think, the Donald has proven enough. We really don't need more proof. We have to defend ourselves.

This man is nearly as crazy as some members here and elsewhere!


Hey wait a sec Reader, I like to think I'm a hard act to follow cheesy even for the likes of Trump!

Of course no 'proof' is offered inforum/anywhere of the Donald's disorder whatever. It's just yanking the guy's chain and venting US Dem frustration over an election debacle.

I grant you President Trump has a unique style, as evidenced in his two last speeches (East Room plus his latest campaign rally where he hugged a fireman, his USSS detail would have pulled their hair if they had any) which I took care to watch in full.

I note that style (to be perfectly blunt) is aggressively demagogue and gives me flashbacks to a Goebbels and Hitler shocked. It's most undemocratic content imo is placing CNN and "the opposition" = Hillary voters kinda outside of 'The People'. And that's bad, people. Not good...

Doesn't mean he is insane. Doesn't prove he is evil (=Sociopath) either. And CNN's reporting of the event was spun to the level of ha ha fake news (using terms like "melt down" and "unhinged"). Like Sys_Config says, let's see what he is gonna do in the real world. I HOPE he's a good guy, but I have not figure him out as yet.

To that real world. Defend ourselves what are you talking about. Trump is the democratically elected pres of the US of A. Best not to hinder him, but to HELP him carrying out the most important job in the world. (If he messes up, vote him out in 4 years.)

I think his ideas about climate/environment, about supporting and strengthening police & military and fighting IS and terror are quite good. Again here the proof will be in the pudding.


purr
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Post by LoneGunMan on Feb 19th, 2017, 10:53am

Purr wrote:
I note that style (to be perfectly blunt) is aggressively demagogue and gives me flashbacks to a Goebbels and Hitler shocked. It's most undemocratic content imo is placing CNN and "the opposition" = Hillary voters kinda outside of 'The People'. And that's bad, people. Not good...
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Haven't they put themselves in that position? The reactions of the press and the 'opposition' hasn't been this outrageous since Lincoln!

When were the riots after Obama was elected with a large percentage of Republicans thought we got screwed? Where were the riots and burning and destruction of the 'Tea' Party' ??

The connections of the media directly to the Democratic machine and specifically the Kilinton cartel are starting to show themselves! Rats are starting to jump the ship!

We'll see who's crazy and just who has been misdirecting who in the near future!

Lone!
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by bonehead on Feb 19th, 2017, 11:43am

on Feb 19th, 2017, 05:51am, purr wrote:
Hey wait a sec Reader, I like to think I'm a hard act to follow cheesy even for the likes of Trump!

Of course no 'proof' is offered inforum/anywhere of the Donald's disorder whatever. It's just yanking the guy's chain and venting US Dem frustration over an election debacle.

Purr,

The fact that you are unable to see the clear pathology of the man is troubling. The way he acts speaks louder than even his loud words. His condition is not only pathological but a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder. Here, is some of that "proof" you seem to think lacking. See for your self:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

http://mentalhealth.com/home/dx/narcissisticpersonality.html

Please read the links. I did not make this stuff up. The symptoms describe the man perfectly.

I have long said that America, itself, suffers from NPD. All the symptoms are present in the behavior of our nation. Clinton would only have further entrenched the disease which is why I did not vote for her either. But the fact that you do not see this deeply troubled man as the extreme danger that he is, I find difficult to understand.

Of course, you are far from alone in this inability to see the dangers of his madness. I attribute this willful blindness to the long term brainwash imposed by the media.

For example, 10 or 15 years ago, nobody in this country gave a crap about undocumented migrants crossing the border with Mexico. In this country, those people do all of the menial jobs that entitled Americans refuse to do. They are mostly economic refugees escaping untenable situations in their homelands. And they willingly do the work that most Americans see as unworthy. I should know since I live in the farm country of California and my grandparents were undocumented farm workers.

The number of people crossing the border has gone down drastically in recent years. The "danger" of this migration is only a paranoid fantasy of entitled bigots like White House "advisor" Steve Bannon. What's more, a wall will not stop the ongoing migration. People will just get longer ladders. Duh! A wall would be a huge waste of money to "fix" a problem that is only in the mind of Bannon and his minions (Trump being the main one).

Now, this is only one of his many pet issues. And they all suffer from this same ignorance of the issues and profound lack of understanding.

And, here is another issue about the man:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/589a8e68e4b061551b3e057d

He does not read! He, like so many conservative pundits, is anti-intellectual. That means that he has no perspective - and he does not want others to have it either. He does not want to complicate his narrow idiological world view with inconvenient "facts" (that explains Fox news). He simply believes any crap that Bannon or the Koch brothers or Rupert Murdoch put in his head. That makes him dangerously ignorant - as well as psychologically unfit to lead.....

Here is even more to worry about, in case you missed it:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-isnt-adjusting-well-life-153656905.html

The guy IS coming unhinged! If the press continues to criticize him, he will blow a gasket soon, because he cannot handle criticism of any kind. That is why he is so vigorously lashing out at the press. (See NPD articles above)

on Feb 19th, 2017, 05:51am, purr wrote:
I note that style (to be perfectly blunt) is aggressively demagogue and gives me flashbacks to a Goebbels and Hitler shocked. It's most undemocratic content imo is placing CNN and "the opposition" = Hillary voters kinda outside of 'The People'. And that's bad, people. Not good...

Doesn't mean he is insane. Doesn't prove he is evil (=Sociopath) either.


The fact that you can say this is beyond my comprehension. That is a statement that is completely contradictory. In your view it is okay to act like Goebbels or Hitler? I am baffled by this point of view.

on Feb 19th, 2017, 05:51am, purr wrote:
And CNN's reporting of the event was spun to the level of ha ha fake news (using terms like "melt down" and "unhinged"). Like Sys_Config says, let's see what he is gonna do in the real world. I HOPE he's a good guy, but I have not figure him out as yet.

To that real world. Defend ourselves what are you talking about. Trump is the democratically elected pres of the US of A. Best not to hinder him, but to HELP him carrying out the most important job in the world. (If he messes up, vote him out in 4 years.)

I think his ideas about climate/environment, about supporting and strengthening police & military and fighting IS and terror are quite good. Again here the proof will be in the pudding.

purr


Well, at least you are onboard with his more fascist ideas. Now I feel much better! If America does not become a burning cinder in the next 4 years, (keeping my fingers crossed!) I think we will all happily vote the cretin out of office..... tongue
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by bonehead on Feb 19th, 2017, 11:53am

on Feb 18th, 2017, 8:37pm, Nyx wrote:
John McCain made a statement that Trump's attack on the free press makes him a "dictator.

Trump is all about "misdirection".

What is the real Trump agenda?


Trump's "real" agenda is: Please tell me I am as great as i think I am!

He thinks everything is about him. Everything else about him (or America or anything else) is just window dressing....

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on Feb 19th, 2017, 1:17pm

on Feb 19th, 2017, 11:53am, bonehead wrote:
Trump's "real" agenda is: Please tell me I am as great as i think I am!

He thinks everything is about him. Everything else about him (or America or anything else) is just window dressing....



The liberals who voted for Hillary (Obama) will never understand that Trump is the only individual who could have beaten Hillary and changed the direction of the failed Obama/Hillary liberal agenda. His personality may seem incongruous to the role of a president but it is a necessary countermeasure to the deeply embedded liberal mentality permeating not only the news media, but the various departments and agencies within the government. After 8 years of Obama and the liberal agenda these agencies have had plenty of time to populate themselves with civil servants (career federal workers) of the Obama persuasion.

Having worked in 4 departments and as many agencies (supervisor in 3) I’ve noticed the liberal creep in government. I could probably detail numerous examples. With 8 years of Obama you can be sure that the liberal agenda has spread throughout the government like a creeping vine and once that vine gets a hold it grows everywhere.

I realize it’s pointless to argue or even discuss this with a liberal but for those uninformed in the workings of the federal government and civil servants with hiring and firing practices and mission creep I can speak from first-hand experience and wish Trump all the luck he can muster to drain the swamp. It still amazes me how people thought Obama did such a great job? Just about everything he got himself involved with failed and the American public has to bear the consequences. But just like Mikey they seem to eat it up.

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 19th, 2017, 2:14pm

"The problem is, Trump isn't an isolationist. He is a militarist, something far worse. And calling Trump an isolationist isn't an effective critique.

Scholars define militarism, broadly, as the excessive use and veneration of force for political ends, or even for it's own sake, extending at times to full military control of the state. {Trump has appointed two Marine generals, Jim Mattis and John F. Kelly to his Cabinet}

Militarism, the pioneering historian Alfred Vagts wrote in 1937, promotes values 'associated with armies and wars and yet transcending true military purposes.' Militarism can be a policy and an ethos, corrupting the pursuit of rational goals.

Facing a vicious world, Trump promises to turn the tables, not turn his back. He talks of grabbing wealth from other countries, most vividly in his mantra to 'take oil' in Iraq. 'Maybe we'll have another chance,' he said in a speech at the CIA. Trump may be posturing, but the posture is militaristic. To announce a lust for oil, to chest thump about torture, to envisage military parades down Pennsylvania Avenue --- these do not achieve strategic objectives so much as exult brute force. 'I'm the most militaristic person there is,' Trump said in the primaries. Perhaps he was telling the truth.

Trump's cultural militarism bears watching, even if it never translates into foreign policy. Drawing a moral equivalence between the United States and Vladimir Putin's Russia, Trump rejects America's traditional identity as an exceptional nation shining the light of freedom to the world.

What identity does he offer in instead? While ignoring the Founding Fathers, he constantly invokes the 'old days of General MacArthur and General Patton. MacArthur and Patton are Trump's new founders.

Trump will avoid large-scale conflict only if he sets limited objectives and acts prudently.

Thus far, he has signaled the opposite. 'Our military dominance must be unquestioned,' the White House has declared on Day One, and Trump plans to build up America's already supreme military. How will he use it? In his inaugural address, he pledged not only to take on 'radical Islamic terrorism' 'but to eradicate [it] from the face of the earth.' Last year Trump's major strategist, Stephen Bannon, professed 'no doubt' that 'we're going to war in the South China Sea in five to ten years' --- and that's on top of the global war against Islamic fascism' that he believes to be in its opening stages."

quote: https://twitter.com/StephenWertheim --- Washington Post 2/19/17
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 19th, 2017, 2:54pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 19th, 2017, 2:56pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by purr on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm

on Feb 19th, 2017, 11:43am, bonehead wrote:
Purr,

The fact that you are unable to see the clear pathology of the man is troubling. The way he acts speaks louder than even his loud words. His condition is not only pathological but a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder. Here, is some of that "proof" you seem to think lacking. See for your self:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

http://mentalhealth.com/home/dx/narcissisticpersonality.html

Please read the links. I did not make this stuff up. The symptoms describe the man perfectly.

I have long said that America, itself, suffers from NPD. All the symptoms are present in the behavior of our nation. Clinton would only have further entrenched the disease which is why I did not vote for her either. But the fact that you do not see this deeply troubled man as the extreme danger that he is, I find difficult to understand.

Of course, you are far from alone in this inability to see the dangers of his madness. I attribute this willful blindness to the long term brainwash imposed by the media.

For example, 10 or 15 years ago, nobody in this country gave a crap about undocumented migrants crossing the border with Mexico. In this country, those people do all of the menial jobs that entitled Americans refuse to do. They are mostly economic refugees escaping untenable situations in their homelands. And they willingly do the work that most Americans see as unworthy. I should know since I live in the farm country of California and my grandparents were undocumented farm workers.

The number of people crossing the border has gone down drastically in recent years. The "danger" of this migration is only a paranoid fantasy of entitled bigots like White House "advisor" Steve Bannon. What's more, a wall will not stop the ongoing migration. People will just get longer ladders. Duh! A wall would be a huge waste of money to "fix" a problem that is only in the mind of Bannon and his minions (Trump being the main one).

Now, this is only one of his many pet issues. And they all suffer from this same ignorance of the issues and profound lack of understanding.

And, here is another issue about the man:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/589a8e68e4b061551b3e057d

He does not read! He, like so many conservative pundits, is anti-intellectual. That means that he has no perspective - and he does not want others to have it either. He does not want to complicate his narrow idiological world view with inconvenient "facts" (that explains Fox news). He simply believes any crap that Bannon or the Koch brothers or Rupert Murdoch put in his head. That makes him dangerously ignorant - as well as psychologically unfit to lead.....

Here is even more to worry about, in case you missed it:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-isnt-adjusting-well-life-153656905.html

The guy IS coming unhinged! If the press continues to criticize him, he will blow a gasket soon, because he cannot handle criticism of any kind. That is why he is so vigorously lashing out at the press. (See NPD articles above)



The fact that you can say this is beyond my comprehension. That is a statement that is completely contradictory. In your view it is okay to act like Goebbels or Hitler? I am baffled by this point of view.



Well, at least you are onboard with his more fascist ideas. Now I feel much better! If America does not become a burning cinder in the next 4 years, (keeping my fingers crossed!) I think we will all happily vote the cretin out of office..... tongue


Well, Bonehead, maybe I'm seeing it all wrong here. As an aside, I found your post hugely entertaining, if you feel "baffled", join the club! Please note that I by no stretch of the imagination would presume to have FIGURED OUT either the man Trump, or the challenges faced by the US under the new administration. I could give you a recipe for meatballs to die for, but that defines about the true extent of my worldly understanding.

OK, my comparison with Goebels/Hitler ought to be withdrawn, it was the easy lazy choice, and inappropriate because the guy as yet hasn't done anything, the future is yet the future, be it a once again GREAT AMERICA (strong, prosperous, secure, free and respected globally) or god forbid some catastrophic turn of events. Instead I now say the new pres reminds me of Honoré-Gabriel Riqueti, comte de Mirabeau.

On NPD. I read through your links. I agree one could match a number of symptoms. (Although, having read through DSM-V some decades ago, my impression is its classifications throw so wide a net over the range of human behaviors not to leave anyone completely free of symptoms. Ensuring no psychiatrist ever will go hungry grin.) Imo that net is not meant to catch but as a safety if folks run into trouble and need/ask for help.

To close I think it entirely possible Donald Trump shares some traits with the Narcissist personality. If somehow true (actually we cannot diagnose people by the internet, it's pure conjecture), we should hope it is not a 'malignant', "homicidal" variant. One the other hand, his shrewd, successful campaign can be taken as indicator he is highly functional, and at least relatively free of symptoms (which does amount to a form of sanity, as much as any of us can hope for!). Bonehead, we are all nuts (just by different names), I submit this is the normal state of affairs. Today I go to work, and pray in hope of this man turning out a good guy.

We should also fervently pray for Fox News, since it appears to positively inform WH policy now. Stuff happening in Sweden! I'm switching back to fake news again.


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Feb 20th, 2017, 3:13pm

on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm, purr wrote:
because the guy as yet hasn't done anything, the future is yet the future, be it a once again GREAT AMERICA (strong, prosperous, secure, free and respected globally) or god forbid some catastrophic turn of events.


FYI

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Feb 21st, 2017, 09:50am

Why is returning to normalcy revolutionary?

Victor Davis Hanson

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By 2008, America was politically split nearly 50/50 as it had been in 2004 and 2000. The Democrats took a gamble and nominated Barack Obama, who became the first young, Northern, liberal president since John F. Kennedy narrowly won in 1960.

Democrats had believed that the unique racial heritage, youth and rhetorical skills of Obama would help him avoid the fate of previous failed Northern liberal candidates Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis and John Kerry. Given 21st-century demography, Democrats rejected the conventional wisdom that only a conservative Democrat with a Southern accent could win the popular vote (e.g., Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore).

Moreover, Obama mostly ran on normal Democratic policies rather than a hard-left agenda. His platform included opposition to gay marriage, promises to balance the budget and a bipartisan foreign policy.

Instead, what followed was a veritable “hope and change” revolution not seen since the 1930s. Obama pursued a staunchly progressive agenda — one that went well beyond the relatively centrist policies upon which he had campaigned. The media cheered and signed on.

Soon, the border effectively was left open. Pen-and-phone executive orders offered immigrant amnesties. The U.S. Senate was bypassed on a treaty with Iran and an intervention in Libya.

Political correctness under the Obama administration led to euphemisms that no longer reflected reality.

Poorly conceived reset policy with Russia and a pivot to Asia both failed.

The Mideast was aflame.

The Iran deal was sold through an echo chamber of deliberate misrepresentations.

The national debt nearly doubled in Obama's terms. Overregulation, higher taxes, near-zero interest rates and the scapegoating of big businesses slowed economic recovery. Economic growth never reached 3 percent in any year of the Obama presidency — the first time that had happened since Herbert Hoover's presidency.

A revolutionary federal absorption of health care failed to fulfill Obama's promises and soon proved unviable.

Culturally, the iconic symbols of the Obama revolution were the “you didn't build that” approach to businesses and an assumption that race/class/gender would forever drive American politics, favorably so for the Democrats.

Then, Hillary Clinton's unexpected defeat and the election of outsider Donald Trump sealed the fate of the Obama Revolution.

For all the hysteria over the bluntness of the mercurial Trump, his agenda marks a return to what used to be seen as fairly normal, as the U.S. goes from hard left back to the populist center. Trump promises not just to reverse almost immediately all of Obama's policies, but to do so in a pragmatic fashion that does not seem to be guided by any orthodox or consistently conservative ideology.

Trade deals and jobs are Trump's obsessions — mostly for the benefit of blue-collar America. He calls for full-bore gas and oil development, a common culture in lieu of identity politics, secure borders, deregulation, tax reform, a Jacksonian foreign policy, nationalist trade deals in places of globalization, and traditionalist values.

In normal times, Trumpism — again, the agenda as opposed to Trump the person — might be old hat. But after the last eight years, his correction has enraged millions.

Yet securing national borders seems pretty orthodox. In an age of anti-Western terrorism, placing temporary holds on would-be immigrants from war-torn zones until they can be vetted is hardly radical. Expecting “sanctuary cities” to follow federal laws rather than embrace the nullification strategies of the secessionist Old Confederacy is a return to the laws of the Constitution.

Using the term “radical Islamic terror” in place of “workplace violence” or “man-caused disasters” is sensible, not subversive.

Insisting that NATO members meet their long-ignored defense-spending obligations is not provocative but overdue. Assuming that both the European Union and the United Nations are imploding is empirical, not unhinged.

Questioning the secret side agreements of the Iran deal or failed Russian reset is facing reality. Making the Environmental Protection Agency follow laws rather than make laws is the way it always was supposed to be.

Unapologetically siding with Israel, the only free and democratic country in the Middle East, was standard U.S. policy until Obama was elected president.

Issuing executive orders has not been seen as revolutionary for the past few years — until now.

Expecting the media to report the news rather than massage it to fit progressive agendas makes sense. In the past, proclaiming Obama a “sort of god” or the smartest man ever to enter the presidency wouldn't have been normal journalistic practice.

Freezing federal hiring, clamping down on lobbyists and auditing big bureaucracies — after the Obama-era IRS, VA, GSA, EPA, State Department and Secret Service scandals — are overdue.
?? Hmmm... Trump to hire 10,000 ICE officers as part of strict measures targeting criminal illegal immigrants. (Fox News) Swamp

Half the country is having a hard time adjusting to Trumpism, confusing Trump's often-unorthodox and grating style with his otherwise practical and mostly centrist agenda.

In sum, Trump seems a revolutionary, but that is only because he is loudly undoing a revolution.

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Victor Davis Hanson
(born September 5, 1953 in Fowler, California) is an American military historian, columnist, former classics professor, and scholar of ancient agrarian and military history. He has been a commentator on modern warfare and contemporary politics for National Review, The Washington Times and other media outlets. He is a professor emeritus of classics at California State University, Fresno, and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in classics and military history at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. He chairs the Hoover working group on Military History and Contemporary Conflict as well as being the general editor of the Hoover online journal, Strategika. He has been a visiting professor at Hillsdale College where he teaches an intensive course on world, ancient or military history in the autumn semester, as the Wayne and Marcia Buske Distinguished Fellow in History since 2004. Hanson is perhaps best known for his 2001 book Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power, a New York Times best-selling book.

Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007-2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission that oversees the cemeteries of and monuments of U.S. war dead abroad. Hanson is a student of current affairs, particularly regarding the U.S. in the Middle East, national defense issues and illegal immigration. He is also a fifth-generation farmer, growing almonds on a family farm in Selma, California where he resides, and is a commentator on social trends related to farming and agrarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by bonehead on Feb 21st, 2017, 10:38am

on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm, purr wrote:
Well, Bonehead, maybe I'm seeing it all wrong here. As an aside, I found your post hugely entertaining, if you feel "baffled", join the club! Please note that I by no stretch of the imagination would presume to have FIGURED OUT either the man Trump, or the challenges faced by the US under the new administration. I could give you a recipe for meatballs to die for, but that defines about the true extent of my worldly understanding.


You do not have to "figure him out". His behavior speaks louder than words. Anybody can see that his behavior is erratic. Having some experience with NPD, his behavior is precisely that of a very insecure person that bolsters his self esteem by promoting delusional tales of his wonderfulness, i.e.: "My inauguration was the biggest in the history of inaugurations."; " I would have won the popular vote if not for all the illegal voters."

That behavior is the definition of NPD as I linked above.

These things he actually believes are pure fiction and the man got all bent out of shape when the press dared to suggest that the actual facts showed otherwise.

Now he lashes out at the press as nothing but a pack of liars, only because they refuse to agree with his self-aggrandizing delusions. These things happened in the open for everybody to see. It takes no special knowledge to see the bat-shit craziness of the man. A man, that I might add, has his finger on the nuclear button.

Such an insecure person can be easily manipulated (positively or negatively) by doling out either praise or criticism. He can be played like a balalaika.

BTW, the same strategy would also work on Korean leader Kim Jong Un. I notice that nobody bothers to question the disposition of his sanity. Nor do they advocate the idea that simply flattering the man, and playing to his out-sized insecurities, would turn him into a purring kitten.... rolleyes


on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm, purr wrote:
OK, my comparison with Goebels/Hitler ought to be withdrawn, it was the easy lazy choice, and inappropriate because the guy as yet hasn't done anything, the future is yet the future, be it a once again GREAT AMERICA (strong, prosperous, secure, free and respected globally) or god forbid some catastrophic turn of events. Instead I now say the new pres reminds me of Honoré-Gabriel Riqueti, comte de Mirabeau.


On the contrary, I think your comparison with the Nazis is perfectly appropriate. When Hitler came to power he went about neutering those agencies that could threaten his agendas by manning them with his own cronies. It was through that strategy of cowing those that might challenge his power, that he became dictator. That is a historical fact.

It kind of brings to mind Bannon's threat to the press that they should "shut-up and listen". Sorry, it does not take a genius to make these obvious connections.


on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm, purr wrote:
On NPD. I read through your links. I agree one could match a number of symptoms. (Although, having read through DSM-V some decades ago, my impression is its classifications throw so wide a net over the range of human behaviors not to leave anyone completely free of symptoms. Ensuring no psychiatrist ever will go hungry grin.) Imo that net is not meant to catch but as a safety if folks run into trouble and need/ask for help.

To close I think it entirely possible Donald Trump shares some traits with the Narcissist personality. If somehow true (actually we cannot diagnose people by the internet, it's pure conjecture), we should hope it is not a 'malignant', "homicidal" variant. One the other hand, his shrewd, successful campaign can be taken as indicator he is highly functional, and at least relatively free of symptoms (which does amount to a form of sanity, as much as any of us can hope for!). Bonehead, we are all nuts (just by different names), I submit this is the normal state of affairs. Today I go to work, and pray in hope of this man turning out a good guy.

We should also fervently pray for Fox News, since it appears to positively inform WH policy now. Stuff happening in Sweden! I'm switching back to fake news again.

purr


Purr, Thanks for your measured response. Sure, we are all crazy. Psychology depends, to a great extent on that very premise. We are all imperfect beings, often doing the best we can with limited emotional resources.

But some of us are a bit loonier than others. Some of us act with behaviors that scream loudly of our emotional troubles. It only takes a little reflective observation to pick these folks out. Fox news was one of the first purveyors of blatantly fake news. Bretibart went one step further and started creating their own fake news on an assembly line. For these "factually challenged" organizations to be the primary information sources for an emotionally challenged man in the most powerful position on the planet is not a cause for laid-back wait-and-see indifference.

It is an existential danger of "UGE" proportions. Looking at the lackadaisical response of the press to this danger, I am fully convinced that if it was discovered that the man ate babies for breakfast, the only discussion in the popular media would be whether they are better served with catsup or steak sauce....

Anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest!
wink
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 21st, 2017, 11:59am

I would say that you bones and Erno are either catastrophic victims of perception management..or on their team.
I prob have more experience dealing with the mentally ill in practice than anyone ohere except Purr..who is spot on in her assesment..because of her own training and or studies....that said..one of the precepts in dealing with same is not to encourage ideation like the op ed has..its equivalent to feeding the trolls..and ignoring reality..

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/trump-right-riots-break-rinkeby-sweden-hours-pm-ridicules-trump-video/#disqus_thread

This is not social deviance..it is National suicide..


Get help..living life according to Krugman..is not healthy..unless you have his money.
By the way..That "crazy" mentally Ill guy was correct again..
on sweden..
He did not go farther..being a measured man..its not Sweden last night..Its Sweden every night

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Feb 21st, 2017, 1:19pm

on Feb 21st, 2017, 10:38am, bonehead wrote:
You do not have to "figure him out". His behavior speaks louder than words. Anybody can see that his behavior is erratic. Having some experience with NPD, his behavior is precisely that of a very insecure person that bolsters his self esteem by promoting delusional tales of his wonderfulness, i.e.: "My inauguration was the biggest in the history of inaugurations."; " I would have won the popular vote if not for all the illegal voters."

That behavior is the definition of NPD as I linked above.

These things he actually believes are pure fiction and the man got all bent out of shape when the press dared to suggest that the actual facts showed otherwise.

Now he lashes out at the press as nothing but a pack of liars, only because they refuse to agree with his self-aggrandizing delusions. These things happened in the open for everybody to see. It takes no special knowledge to see the bat-shit craziness of the man. A man, that I might add, has his finger on the nuclear button.

Such an insecure person can be easily manipulated (positively or negatively) by doling out either praise or criticism. He can be played like a balalaika.

BTW, the same strategy would also work on Korean leader Kim Jong Un. I notice that nobody bothers to question the disposition of his sanity. Nor do they advocate the idea that simply flattering the man, and playing to his out-sized insecurities, would turn him into a purring kitten.... rolleyes




On the contrary, I think your comparison with the Nazis is perfectly appropriate. When Hitler came to power he went about neutering those agencies that could threaten his agendas by manning them with his own cronies. It was through that strategy of cowing those that might challenge his power, that he became dictator. That is a historical fact.

It kind of brings to mind Bannon's threat to the press that they should "shut-up and listen". Sorry, it does not take a genius to make these obvious connections.




Purr, Thanks for your measured response. Sure, we are all crazy. Psychology depends, to a great extent on that very premise. We are all imperfect beings, often doing the best we can with limited emotional resources.

But some of us are a bit loonier than others. Some of us act with behaviors that scream loudly of our emotional troubles. It only takes a little reflective observation to pick these folks out. Fox news was one of the first purveyors of blatantly fake news. Bretibart went one step further and started creating their own fake news on an assembly line. For these "factually challenged" organizations to be the primary information sources for an emotionally challenged man in the most powerful position on the planet is not a cause for laid-back wait-and-see indifference.

It is an existential danger of "UGE" proportions. Looking at the lackadaisical response of the press to this danger, I am fully convinced that if it was discovered that the man ate babies for breakfast, the only discussion in the popular media would be whether they are better served with catsup or steak sauce....

Anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest!
wink


SNL is hiring and looking for good skit writers. Your talents can be put to good use there.

Osama bin laden would still be alive today if he had only said 3 words before he was shot

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 21st, 2017, 2:05pm

Sorry, Sys,

...By the way..That "crazy" mentally Ill guy was correct again..
on sweden..
He did not go farther..being a measured man..its not Sweden last night..Its Sweden every night
..

You are way off the mark.

You are doing what Conway et al do. Re shaping what he actually said into what you want people to believe he said.

I also watched the piece in question. It was plain from his language that he was giving the impression that there had been some kind of terrorist attack in Sweden the night before.

It was so obvious that even the Swedes had to comment on it.

Then the back-peddling started. Now it is 'he meant the overall situation as regards immigrants in Sweden' is what he was talking about.
And even that assessment isn't true. It is grossly over exaggerated.

There are more killings, rapes and robberies in Chicago in one week than there is in Sweden (or, I suspect, any other European country) in a year.

Trump is trying to generate wholesale Islamaphobia.

I do believe bonehead is right in his assessment.

HAL
INT21




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 21st, 2017, 3:24pm

"President Trump certainly seems to have a strange case of Russophilia. He has surrounded himself with aides who have Russian ties.

But why?

The first is the justification that Trump himself gives: fewer tensions with Russia, though some Obama administration officials believed that seeking Putin's help on the Syrian Civil War was a fools errand.

Of course, Syria can't explain all of Trump's Russian ties.

The second explanation is the business conspiracy. Because many American banks wouldn't lend money to Trump's debt-soaked company. Trump could clear up this issue by releasing his tax returns, means that he deserves no benefit of the doubt.

The third explanation is a political conspiracy, and it's at the center of the legal inquiries. The facts are certainly worrisome. Trump's campaign advisers had close links to Putin's circle, and some of them spoke with Russian officials during the campaign. Meanwhile, Putin's government was directing pro-Trump cyberattacks. If there was coordination --- and there has not been any evidence to date --- it would indeed be a worse scandal than Watergate.

The fourth explanation: the idea, contained in a dossier compiled by Russian investigators, that Russia has compromising material on Trump.

The final possible motive --- an ideological alliance --- is in some ways the most alarming. Putin isn't only a leader with 'very strong control over his country,' as Trump has enthused; Putin also traffics in a white, Christian-infused nationalism that casts Islam and 'global elites' as the enemies.

He does not go as far pursuing these themes as hard-core Russian nationalists, much as Trump merely flirts with the alt-right. Either way, the themes are undeniable. As Albert McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia says. 'The inauguration speech sounded like things I've heard from Russian nationalists many times.'

Stephen Bannon, who has emerged as the White House's most influential adviser, clearly believes in ideological alliances, and Trump seems open to them. After winning the election, he meet with Britain's leading nationalist, Nigel Farage, before Britain's prime minister.

In recent days, Trump has tempered his pro-Russia comments and even criticized its actions in Ukraine. So it would be a mistake to imagine that we know the full story of Trump and Russia. But based on what we do know, it represents a shocking risk to American interests.

The Republicans who run the Senate and the F.B.I. need to pursue their investigation without the friendly deference they have generally shown Trump so far. If they don't, it will be left for patriotic leakers, and journalists, to make sure the truth comes out."

selected quotes: David Leonhardt --- "Trump's Russia Motives" --- "Five possible explanations for the president's Russophilia." --- NYT's OP-ED --- Tuesday, February 21, 2017

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/opinion/trumps-russia-motives.html?partner=IFTT


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by bonehead on Feb 21st, 2017, 6:27pm

Thanks Sys and Gort. If you can't refute the facts, attack the messenger.

So where do you guys stand on the real burning question: catsup or steak sauce?

laugh
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on Feb 22nd, 2017, 08:10am

on Feb 21st, 2017, 6:27pm, bonehead wrote:
Thanks Sys and Gort. If you can't refute the facts, attack the messenger.

So where do you guys stand on the real burning question: catsup or steak sauce?

laugh


Just try to follow even a hint of logic in what this woman is saying. This is typical of the Obama/Hillary/Kerry/Democrat/liberal mindset and the way they think. And you wonder why it’s impossible to have a discussion with a liberal? Facts? The only fact I see here is that you can’t discuss politics with a liberal. They have their own interpretation of reality.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/21/tucker-carlson-takes-refuse-fascism-organizer-who-likens-trump-hitler

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by purr on Feb 22nd, 2017, 10:30am

on Feb 21st, 2017, 1:19pm, MrGort wrote:
SNL is hiring and looking for good skit writers. Your talents can be put to good use there.

Osama bin laden would still be alive today if he had only said 3 words before he was shot

I’m a Democrat



http://www.dickmorris.com/liberals-plan-bring-trump-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports


Uh.. isn't that four words, MrGort...?

I'm reading through this thread, and I must say it's a joy to see the quality of reasoning and perspective in the debate. Great input guys!

Just to clarify my position, I do not wish to compare the persons Hitler and Donald Trump, merely felt some of President Trump's latest addresses reminded me of the great national socialist demagogues. It's how I felt he SOUNDED. I do not yet know (with all due respect to Bonehead's persuasive analysis) what kind of man he really is.

And before this cat gets served with favorite condiments: I do not side with Trump nor with his US liberal (plus a few Republican) critics, but with a Friendly People. I want America to be well, and am leaning towards finding ways to help rather than hinder/aggravate to distraction this new pres.


cheesy


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Feb 22nd, 2017, 11:46pm

http://www.the-postillon.com/2017/02/trump-to-deport-indians.html#.WKyiNfP4fnY.facebook
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by purr on Feb 23rd, 2017, 09:25am

on Feb 19th, 2017, 10:53am, LoneGunMan wrote:
Purr wrote:
I note that style (to be perfectly blunt) is aggressively demagogue and gives me flashbacks to a Goebbels and Hitler shocked. It's most undemocratic content imo is placing CNN and "the opposition" = Hillary voters kinda outside of 'The People'. And that's bad, people. Not good...
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Haven't they put themselves in that position? The reactions of the press and the 'opposition' hasn't been this outrageous since Lincoln!

When were the riots after Obama was elected with a large percentage of Republicans thought we got screwed? Where were the riots and burning and destruction of the 'Tea' Party' ??

The connections of the media directly to the Democratic machine and specifically the Kilinton cartel are starting to show themselves! Rats are starting to jump the ship!

We'll see who's crazy and just who has been misdirecting who in the near future!

Lone!


Lone, reading your post I am with you on many levels. But I think it's not about who is "crazy" versus "not crazy", again I tend to call all of us human beings a little crazy (constitutes the bread and butter of Psychologists/Psychiatrists): what worries me is voters kinda slipping in a president/premier who is just plain bad.

'Nother level: I have found Trump's claims about CNN to be not entirely unsubstantiated. Did so by first listening to CNN reporting on his addresses (East Room where he supposedly got unhinged and Florida rally), then listened SEVERAL TIMES to the actual thing, addresses themselves!

They differed TREMENDOUSDOUSLY!! The CNN version made him look like a hilarious yet scary nutcase. The full recording made him look extremely right-wing yet coherent and in his own peculiar way working toward a (controversial) vision for America.

I do see him making sense regarding how to deal with Islam, how to prosper as a nation and support (long overdue!) police and the military. On the negative side he sounds aggressive and overbearing, a matter of style and personality. Or maybe he ought to FIRE his speechwriter and that Bannon dude?

Also, it seemed the guy in one of his inimitable stumbles managed to get it right(!) on Swedens' immigrant troubles before the Swedes have caught on themselves! (Many Swedish women KNOW though, just by trying to walk their streets without getting molested...)(And for especially HAL/INT21: most commentators seem to overlook the significance of the recent Swede rioters, purportedly of predominantly immigrant origins, said to 'throw rocks', which imo is the practice of 'stoning' Kafir/unbelievers and sinners, a form a Sharia punishment.)


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Feb 23rd, 2017, 3:15pm

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 09:25am, purr wrote:
Lone, reading your post I am with you on many levels. But I think it's not about who is "crazy" versus "not crazy", again I tend to call all of us human beings a little crazy (constitutes the bread and butter of Psychologists/Psychiatrists): what worries me is voters kinda slipping in a president/premier who is just plain bad.

'Nother level: I have found Trump's claims about CNN to be not entirely unsubstantiated. Did so by first listening to CNN reporting on his addresses (East Room where he supposedly got unhinged and Florida rally), then listened SEVERAL TIMES to the actual thing, addresses themselves!

They differed TREMENDOUSDOUSLY!! The CNN version made him look like a hilarious yet scary nutcase. The full recording made him look extremely right-wing yet coherent and in his own peculiar way working toward a (controversial) vision for America.

I do see him making sense regarding how to deal with Islam, how to prosper as a nation and support (long overdue!) police and the military. On the negative side he sounds aggressive and overbearing, a matter of style and personality. Or maybe he ought to FIRE his speechwriter and that Bannon dude?

Also, it seemed the guy in one of his inimitable stumbles managed to get it right(!) on Swedens' immigrant troubles before the Swedes have caught on themselves! (Many Swedish women KNOW though, just by trying to walk their streets without getting molested...)(And for especially HAL/INT21: most commentators seem to overlook the significance of the recent Swede rioters, purportedly of predominantly immigrant origins, said to 'throw rocks', which imo is the practice of 'stoning' Kafir/unbelievers and sinners, a form a Sharia punishment.)


purr



ABC, CBS, and NBC sometimes produce some entertaining shows but their news segments and their cable counterparts, MSNBC, CNBC HLN, CNN, etc. are all to the left sometimes disgustingly so. If you really want to get the real news Fox is the only cable network worth watching. Watters World is particularly entertaining and enlightening and at the same time disturbing as he interviews people (some on college campuses) who presumably would have some basic knowledge of America but are sadly so intellectually depauperate regarding current affairs or America’s history that it’s really disturbing. You should watch it sometime, people who thought we fought the American Revolution in 1980, Lincoln was our first president, and never heard of Vietnam and on and on.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 3:57pm

"President Trump brandished executive pen and fresh hyperbole last week in blessing the coal industry's decades-old practice of freely dumping tons of debris into the streams and mountain hollows of America's communities.

The signing ceremony was not just an insult to the benighted coal hamlets of Appalachia, where the industry's dumping of debris down the mountainsides has created a wasteland. It also ignored two truths. One is that by official estimates the rules, while helping the environment, would in fact cost very few jobs --- 260 on average a year offset the same number of jobs for people hired to comply with the rules.

What's been costing jobs in the industry for years --- and this is the second and larger truth --- is a shifting global market in which power plants have turned to cleaner natural gas. In cynically promising the resurgence of King Coal, Mr. Trump might as well have been signing a decree that the whaling industry was being restored to Nantucket.

Picking off these easy targets is only the beginning of the administration's retreat from environmental sanity, using fantasy claims of job creation to cater to the Tea Party's resentment of federal regulation.

One leader of this retreat will be the new boss of the Environmental Protection Agency, Scott Pruitt, the former Oklahoma attorney general and aggressive skeptic of climate change who made his political career out of suing the agency he now leads.

Within days of his swearing in, demoralized E.P.A. workers were reminded of Mr. Pruitt's close working ties to the fossil fuel industry as thousands of his emails were released showing his office dealing hand in glove with industry lobbyists.

selected quotes: "Letting Polluters Run Free" --- NYT's EDITORIALS/LETTERS Thursday, February 23, 2017


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 3:59pm

PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND HIS GANG OF HENCHMEN, ARE ENVIRONMENTAL TERRORISTS!!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:10pm

When is someone going to sort out the oversize post that is causing the panning problem ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Cliff-67 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:19pm


There's no problem on my tablet Hal. It appears normal..



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:26pm

"And now, things that are Really Happening in the world of Donald Trump.

We bring you this list as a public service. It's easy to be distracted by all the strange/contradictory/awful things the president says. For instance, a lot of people were stunned when he responded to a question about anti-Semitic attacks in the United States by citing his winning numbers in the Electoral College. Then, when the question came up again and he yelled at the reporter who asked it.

Much, much later, Trump did read a statement denouncing racism and anti-Semitism. But even that seemed...worrisome."

selected quotes: "Trump Is Bad For Puppies" --- Gail Collins - NYT's OP-ED, Thursday, February 23, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:38pm




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:39pm




FASCIST TRUMP/BANNON TEAM FROM HELL!!
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:46pm

One month in office and you're all crapping your pants. He's getting done exactly what he told all of us he would do! Your just way too used to elected officials who sit on their hands after the election is over!!~

I've bought extra popcorn to watch you slowly lose your minds when he actually does what he promised!

friggin' hilarious!!

Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:50pm

Cliff,

It's one of SuruAwe's pictures on his latest thread.

If you use 'search' and ask for the last 50 posts you will find that the text is running off the edge and you have to pan to read it.

Are you going to be able to see the latest aurora ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:53pm

Lone,

You keep on adding that spin. It's taking on a nice shine.

HAL
INT21 wink
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by WingsofCrystal on Feb 23rd, 2017, 6:01pm

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:10pm, INT21 wrote:
When is someone going to sort out the oversize post that is causing the panning problem ?

HAL
INT21



Hey HAL,

Everything appears normal to me also. Sorry if you are having problems.

Crystal


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 23rd, 2017, 6:14pm

I think he means this thread crystal
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=usersrecentposts&user=SuruAwe

I am pretty sure we know who it is..and is aware of what he is doing as he referenced photoshop and forge filters and equipment and therefore has experience loading and uploading wink

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Agent19k on Feb 23rd, 2017, 8:05pm

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 5:46pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
One month in office and you're all crapping your pants. He's getting done exactly what he told all of us he would do! Your just way too used to elected officials who sit on their hands after the election is over!!~

I've bought extra popcorn to watch you slowly lose your minds when he actually does what he promised!

friggin' hilarious!!

Lone


I prefer cheese puffs ... grin

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 01:26am

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:38pm, Erno86 wrote:




Erno, what I don't understand is how anyone can come away from these two instances in the videos and describe "antisemitism" as an issue that one could allege at Trump.

His frustration at these allegations is overwhelming, because of the lack of perception coming from those asking these question trying to pin him to antisemitism.

When the left keeps picking at bones like this, is it any wonder why they have become irrelevant?




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 02:11am

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 4:39pm, Erno86 wrote:



FASCIST TRUMP/BANNON TEAM FROM HELL!!


Absolutely! Steve Bannon's words have nothing to do with fascisim but everything to do with Western values and the purpose the US has in the rest of the world.

Consider that these people like Steve Bannon are very worldly men. There is no fooling them about the way other countries are operating right now.

I'm a woman, but consider that, by and large, women are relatively stupid when it comes to existential threats to our culture from Islam.

Consider the mindset of the left wing males who also deny such a destiny awaits them as they clutch at headscarves in "solidarity" in marches and spewing propaganda in the left wing media.

Consider that these people, the left, have been thoroughly indoctrinated by well meaning ideologues in the past. The world they talk about and wish to shape doesn't exist. It could not exist.

Consider that while the left is fretting and publishing video cuts like this, trying to misconstrue and demonize Bannon, there are horrific acts of barbarism, terror beyond the ability of your mind and theirs to maintain its sanity if exposed raw to these horrific acts against women and humanity in general all over a book. A stupid flipping rancid book.

An agenda that is relentless in its putrid belief that it will one day dominate, overtake and convert our Western culture and progress. This is reality.

I will go so far as to say that my first reaction, when seeing that Lindar Sarsour was heading up the Women's movement in the States against Trump was complete revulsion and almost disbelief that so many people could be so stupid.. beyond stupid.. I will say what I said to myself, they have blood on their hands, they are responsible for propagating a belief system that will not only destroy them but is at this very time committing horrendous acts of destruction on other women, children and men.

It is beyond stupid to claim otherwise. It is not excusable naivety.. If they are going to protest against the President then they need to come with facts to dispute the agenda of the President with reasoned arguments.

The reason why the left is irrelevant today is because they can not provide factual evidence that anything here is not true. Not one European country right now can be held up as an example of how this is not true.

No-matter how much they want to spin the stories of Sweden not being a complete disaster due to Islamic immigrants, this is false and it is well known to be false. Sweden, and here in the UK, our cultural landscape is now changing in ways that it may never recover from and if not stopped now.. there will eventually be a loss of not only lives but Western progress and freedoms in Europe.

Why is the left not protesting against such things, but instead embracing it without critical assessment or facts?

Because they have been infiltrated by interests which wish to normalize the abominable.




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 02:35am

Another reason why, and I have to admit, after living here in London, I've been trying to figure it out..

I've come to realize that most of the left and people in the states, including you Erno86, you are insulated from direct experience with the effects of Islamisation in your cities and communities.

But yet you are not, because one of their targets and part of their practices that has been finely honed all through history is to create division and discord as they begin to mark their territory and assimilate the invaded culture to accommodate the bizarre requirements of this belief system they have.

So, all of those protestors out in San Bernadino, Ca. this Presidents day, protesting against Trump, waving headscarves and crying out for immigration free flow from Islamic countries.. are well meaning but useful idiots.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 02:41am

A cache of hundreds of high powered rifles and guns was found a day or so ago near a mosque in Germany.

Imagine a dirty bomb going off in one of the major financial cities in the US or Europe. Imagine a number of very large attacks that makes the function of the country's services, financial and otherwise, impossible for a time at efficiency necessary for the function of that state.

Imagine those weapons being used at that point, by these sleeper cells, within the cities without proper services and protection of its people.

They don't care if the infrastructure is destroyed, they don't care if progress is halted, they have won yet another (short lived) victory in the name of spreading this incredibly insane ideology for the Umma.. This is their main purpose and if the left is too blind to see it, we at least have the other half of America waking up to it.



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by purr on Feb 24th, 2017, 04:52am

on Feb 23rd, 2017, 3:15pm, MrGort wrote:
ABC, CBS, and NBC sometimes produce some entertaining shows but their news segments and their cable counterparts, MSNBC, CNBC HLN, CNN, etc. are all to the left sometimes disgustingly so. If you really want to get the real news Fox is the only cable network worth watching. Watters World is particularly entertaining and enlightening and at the same time disturbing as he interviews people (some on college campuses) who presumably would have some basic knowledge of America but are sadly so intellectually depauperate regarding current affairs or America’s history that it’s really disturbing. You should watch it sometime, people who thought we fought the American Revolution in 1980, Lincoln was our first president, and never heard of Vietnam and on and on.


Try wrap your mind around this, MrGort. My country's tv providers don't offer Fox News (at least not in my east half of the Netherlands) AT ALL, nor is it shown in our mainstream news outlets. Dutch MSN tends to pass on CNN worldview as America's reality!

I'm privileged to have access to somewhat more 'direct' US resources representative of the other side of the issues. But to most of the Netherlands Trump sympathizers/supporters either are invisible or out of their furtive minds...

smiley


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 06:50am

Purr, just so you know, I wasn't including you when I said Western women above tend to be stupid when it comes to Islam.

I would safely bet that you would not be among those wearing head scarves and chanting Islamic prayers at the latest rallies against Trump.

However...... too many are.

I know you said once you wanted to learn more about it, I will post a short video in a minute that will hopefully wet your appetite for deeper inquiry.

But let me say something here about the Koran. Many people don't know this. In fact, many Muslims probably don't know this, which doesn't surprise me actually because when it comes to their religion, they are so deeply indoctrinated to defend it without question, the need understand or question it is also forbidden.

One of the basic rules in Islam is "Do not ask the hard questions". Well what other questions are worth asking .. one may ask in the West.. But in Islam that statement will get you killed.

Ok.. here is something to understand about the Koran.

It is assembled not in chronological order. It is put together to have the longest verses at the front and the shortest at the end. The last verses are the shortest.

This has made understanding it and the life of Mohamid very difficult.

The principle of abrogation is applied to the Koran and its rules in Sharia derived from it.

For instance, in the early part of Mohammid's life after he declared himself to be the "last Prophet" and Allah to be the one god, he said "there is no compulsion under religion" to get his followers to go along with out force. He was then thrown out of Mecca and went to Medina and started to slaughter anyone who contested against his one true religion.

That abrogated the "peaceful verses" in the early part of his Mecca campaign to the much more violent persuasiveness of his campaigns after he left that period of his proselytizing and went to Medina.

When a Muslim tells you something that is in the Koran such as the verse above, more than likely he does know about abrogation, and he is committing Taqiyya.. That is the rule that one must defend ones' self and the Umma by lying if necessary or required.

But abrogation is a major reason why the later verses of the Koran, the violent ones, are the ones which are considered more relevant in Sharia over the earlier verses.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 07:05am


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 24th, 2017, 07:13am

Bee carfull purr,
the guy below says, we are all
worms, and he is out to get us,
really can't make this stuff up.

but wait a min. it has been made up.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1QnRf6SusY

PLEASE <> ENJOY <> YOUR <> DAY
grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 24th, 2017, 10:59am

Don't waste your talent on this thread Moksha
A great Musician said
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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 11:56am

"Let’s say we have to make some ‘show of force.’ The most common scenarios involve small guerilla or terrorist groups. Nuclear retaliation? It has been suggested by others that Aerosol Pork Grenades would be a better deterrent — Islamic martyrs are denied entrance to heaven if they show up at the gate smelling like a pig. Denial of The Big Payoff removes a certain cachet from acts of voluntary self-destruction."

Frank Zappa on Islamic terrorism
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by ZETAR on Feb 24th, 2017, 1:53pm

TIS A FRANK ZAPPA FRIDAY ~ cool

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THIS SHOULD BE REQUIRED LISTENING ~ FOR ALL ACADEMIC SAFE SPACES!

Frank Zappa - Cosmik Debris

https://youtu.be/wtx4ZJ1cwI0

I got the crystal ball, he said
And held it to the light
So I snatched it, all away from him
And I showed him how to do it right
I wrapped a newspaper 'round my head
So I looked like I was deep
I said some mumbo-jumbo, then
I told him he was going to sleep
I robbed his rings and pocketwatch
And everything else I found
I had that sucker hypnotized
He couldn't even make a sound
I proceeded to tell him his future, then
As long as he was hanging around
I said the price of meat has just gone up
And your old lady has just gone down
Look here brother
Who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?
Don't you know, you could make more money as a butcher?
So, don't waste your time on me
Don't waste it, don't waste your time on me (om shanti, om shanti, om shanti, shanti)


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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 24th, 2017, 2:34pm

WITH ALL THAT'S GOING ON,
ALMOST FORGOT, what makes mike a happy guy
THANKS YA'LL
MIGHT JUST LAY SUMTIN DOWN LATER.
FEW LAGERS BIT OF SMOKE
AND GETTING LOST WITHIN
ME OWN SOUNDS
grin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJo_f95lMPo

cool
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Feb 24th, 2017, 3:42pm

Twenty-five year old video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKi5YeNtRI

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 24th, 2017, 3:52pm

"AN ALARMED BASE PRODS DEMOCRATS INTO ALL-OUT WAR --- RESISTING A RIGHT TURN"

quote: NYT's front page news article -- Friday, February 24, 2017

"Moreover, Mr. Trump has surrounded himself with traditional small-government conservatives bent on cutting back or eliminating many of the programs he has championed. Many of his aides and cabinet members have expressed views that are fundamentally opposed to those he campaigned on.

Former Representative Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina, for example, the new White House director, has called Social Security a 'Ponzi scheme' and heled engineer a government shutdown to cut spending.

As House Budget Committee chairman, Tom Price, the new secretary of health and human services, supported converting Medicaid to strictly capped blocked grants to the states and turning Medicare into a voucherlike program for future recipients. Ben Carson, the president's nominee to head the Department of Housing and Urban Development, has repeatedly said government to help the poor has lead to dependency."

quote: NYT's "Contradictions as President Prepares a Budget" Feb. 24, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 3:57pm

Watch this ! You gotta.. smiley



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 4:06pm

on Feb 24th, 2017, 3:52pm, Erno86 wrote:
"AN ALARMED BASE PRODS DEMOCRATS INTO ALL-OUT WAR --- RESISTING A RIGHT TURN"

quote: NYT's front page news article -- Friday, February 24, 2017


Here is the whole article:
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/feb/24/an-alarmed-base-prods-democrats-into-all-out-war-w/

I never ever would have imagined I would be in line with the Republican (alt) party.. but that is how badly out of touch and insane the left has become.

What you see in the video above is the fate of the democrats.. What happened here to the labour party and you can blame Islamic influence more than anything else except their hard socialism and anti-nuclear stances.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 24th, 2017, 5:15pm

I was watching the CPAC meeting.

Maybe someone can explain the long term consequences of this to me.

It seems, on the face of it, that although the present government are Republicans, there exists within the part this separate grouping that is running in parallel and these are the people who attend CPAC. Brannon was there and so was (Sorry, can't remember his name) .

They also appear to not be on quite the same song sheet as the mainstream Republicans.

Can some one cast some light on this ?

HAL
INT21

Edit: it was Priebus.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 6:03pm

Yes, see what Nigel Farge has to say in the speech above. The old style Republicans are idiots. They are trying to appease them while the new ideas get pressed ahead.

There is a concerted effort going on to drain the swamp and that means the old invested lobbyists and special interests and dinosaur concepts that are rife in the old Republican party that says it is for the common man but has been anything but.

Same as what Farge is saying.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by purr on Feb 24th, 2017, 6:03pm

on Feb 24th, 2017, 07:05am, tommi01 wrote:


Tommi, I am reading your posts, and have to keep thanking you for explaining/linking this stuff: highly elucidating.

I noticed that especially the secular/atheist portion of quoted individuals reckoned one doesn't need to read the Koran in order to have an opinion of Islam. This I disagree with. I'm reading the Muslims' holy book right now (English translation), really trying to immerse myself in the Hadith and Sira as well. Trying to get a feel for these religious works' reasoning and essential meaning. Remember reading it some 45 years ago too in school.

I note that its attitudes towards Christians and Jews in particular (logically extending to anyone lacking in true Islamic faith) appear... PRE-EMPTIVE. Suddenly Trump makes a lot of sense critically describing Islam in the video.


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 7:30pm

Well, I've always said to myself, I don't need to read Mein Kemph to know it is a very bad idea.

Congratulations though for doing far more due diligence than I could stomach or want to take in.

Here is an interesting website for what you are seeking:

https://counterjihadreport.com/hadith-sira-and-other-important-works/

It gives references and online access to these works and more.

The problem for me is that I've read and listened to enough to know one thing is certain.. It is a finely crafted device with the objective to spread itself.

I could care less for his words, I find the structure of this theocratic system to be fascinating and its history.

In the history, is Islam.. its teachings.. and the requirement for all Muslims to emulate the "perfect man", Muhammid himself, hasn't changed.

But must you really have to have sex with a dead woman and cover her with your semen so that she doesn't suffer too much the tortures of death, until the day of judgement?

See... it's his little practices that put me off.. Like sleeping with anything that moves, his dead aunt, 20 wives and one of them 9 years old.. kinda guy you want living next door to you. Right?

And let's not forget how these "holy books" describe his sword of being the highest quality possible while he decapitates almost a 1000 people with it.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg.. He was psychotic, he did not receive gods words from Gabriele. To even begin to consider that his ravings and calculated renditions were of anything more than that of a raging mental disorder is to do your intelligence and expectation a big disservice..

Which I'm sure you are not.. But that's why I just thrill to no end learning ever more shocking facts about how this cult has devastated the world since its traipse into Medina.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 7:40pm

They say,, next to the Koran is this book in importance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliance_of_the_Traveller

The book above is the one they practice from.

It is the basis of Sharia law and how they should live.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 7:53pm

This book by Tom Holland:
In the Shadow of the Sword is the most current seminal work based on the foundations of prior Islamic researchers and historians.

It is a definitive measure of exactly how "real" Mohammids verses are in originality or source in the Koran.

You should see the way the Koran was pieced together years after Mohammid's death and who done it, as you read the Koran.. or before !!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Shadow_of_the_Sword_(book)


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 24th, 2017, 8:03pm

Here's a Hoot..

I looked up The Reliance of the Traveler on Amazon books and here is a beautiful review:

280 of 360 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Non-Muslims should buy this, May 19, 2010
By
Jan McDaniel
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This review is from: Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (Hardcover)

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Post by MOKSHA on Feb 24th, 2017, 10:02pm

Well Thanks tommi,
I wish I was as smart as you,
about I slam,

but I am not.

stay close to center
"DARLING"
PLEASE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tZABURdZ2s
cuz me love you.
kiss
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 02:41am

But I won't be as familiar with it as Purr because I can't see myself reading any of it. Except when I read the verses in material about it, I really don't want to know.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 05:02am

I don't have anything against any privately practiced religion or person of any faith. But since this is a Trump thread, this is why Islam is different from the others.

So, why are we here with Trump? Simply because I think, we as people in the West are watching citizens being watched with intrusive data collecting and we are watching citizens being picked off or dying in terror attacks while the politicians kowtow to Islamic interests, investment, intrusion and infiltration and at the same time telling the public it is the religion of peace.

This obviously could not continue in a democracy where people have access to educate themselves about the subject of Islam.

So.. many p*ssed off people, in the UK, the US, Holland and France, etc.. are saying .. the left wing parties that encouraged all of this and keep parroting the propaganda that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam have got to go because they obviously don't know what to do, don't understand what Islam is historically themselves and they are obviously wrong in how they are allowing this culture to shape our Western cultures.

So.. that's one big reason why Farge, Trump, Bannon and others are now upping their game by targeting this crisis with specific words like Islamic radical jihad terrorism.

Of course, what nobody dares to say.. but Trump was hinting at.. when he said "we have to look at this deeper, like why do they hate us"... is that the ultimate game of the Islamic movements are to conquer and convert or eliminate..

How are you going to say that publicly, which is true, but how are you going to beat this thing with words alone and not shake up the world?

We have to wait and see what happens I guess.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 05:52am

The strategy is being debated here along with insight into General Mcmaster.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/02/general-mcmaster-and-that-perverted-interpretation-of-religion-used-to-justify-violence#comments


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 11:37am

Tommi,

...Well, I've always said to myself, I don't need to read Mein Kemph to know it is a very bad idea...

That's pretty clever.

Perhaps you could explain just how you do it.

Sounds to me very much like the people who wanted to kill Salman Rushdie over his book 'Satanic Verses'. Have you read it ? No ? Neither had most of the people condemning him.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 11:52am

...The nationalization of the great masses can never take place by way of half measures, by a weak emphasis upon a so-called objective view point, but by a ruthless and fanatical one-sided orientation as to the goal to be aimed at... one can only succeed in winning the soul of the people if...one also destroys at the same time the supporter of the contrary.


Guess who ?


HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 12:40pm

on Feb 25th, 2017, 11:37am, INT21 wrote:
Tommi,

...Well, I've always said to myself, I don't need to read Mein Kemph to know it is a very bad idea...

That's pretty clever.

Perhaps you could explain just how you do it.

Sounds to me very much like the people who wanted to kill Salman Rushdie over his book 'Satanic Verses'. Have you read it ? No ? Neither had most of the people condemning him.

HAL
INT21


WTF Hal? You are really something.. I must control my temper right now..

First of all.. you read Satanic Verses.. Well big deal!!
The fact remains that you missed the freaking forest for the trees totally in what you read.

You got all caught up in the dream fantasy and story line and didn't even realize the whole book was a statement about Islamic verses in the Koran that were allowing Pagan gods to be included under the "there is only one God" principle.

It was a con game to try to persuade the pagans in the region to join his congregation. There is a lot of written literature about this, which some I've read.

I've heard it explained by Rusie himself as well in a documentary about it. So Please... your attitude and attacks are nauseating..

FFS.. nobody had to read the Koran to know it is a stupid combination of other religions at the time being reconstructed and plagiarized.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 12:53pm



Hopefully.. you learn the metaphor and SUBPLOT of the title around 8 minutes in...

after of course your enjoyment of the story itself.




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 1:05pm

Now Hal you love to ask people questions on this board, so Now I've got a question for you.

Here are some facts first. The Koran was in pieces at best up to many years after Mohammid's death.

In fact, his biographer quit at the later point of Mo's life and said he was told to make things up or on the fly they would recreate verses so they fit other verses better. This is recorded as fact in historical texts.

Next fact. When the Koran was assembled, the most reliable texts, records and memories of those with knowledge passed down through their kin were assembled into a book in the order of the longer verses first. The shortest in at the end. There is no chronological basis at all in the Koran, so nothing can be derived about his life without other texts that try to create an understanding of the life of Mohammid.

Next.. everything is abrogated, which means that the later verses supersede the earlier verses on any subject and render the earlier verses null and void. So what you read in the Koran, is not necessarily valid unless you research what has if anything abrogated it.

That is one of the reasons why there are tomes of Islamic literature required to formulate the Sharia law and this of course is always under the interpretation of each different sect of Muslims.

Now .. based on these facts above.. I have a question.


What do you think you are actually going to learn of spiritual or intellectual value by "reading the Koran"?


Which actually in fact.. nobody reads and makes sense out of... because the original was in a very old Arabic and the English translations are rife with inaccurate translations due to the lack of corresponding words and characters in the written language of Arabic to English.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 1:11pm

on Feb 25th, 2017, 11:52am, INT21 wrote:
...The nationalization of the great masses can never take place by way of half measures, by a weak emphasis upon a so-called objective view point, but by a ruthless and fanatical one-sided orientation as to the goal to be aimed at... one can only succeed in winning the soul of the people if...one also destroys at the same time the supporter of the contrary.


Guess who ?


HAL
INT21


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

And your point is Hal??



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 1:21pm

But there are people who are English speaking scholars and they have spent 30 years each on average studying the Koran and its related literature.

One has actually reassembled the Koran into chronological order and put that online for public access.

There is within their 30 years of insight and deep study into this subject much more for me to learn listening to them, than I myself will gain wasting my time reading the ravings of a lunatic con man.

It is a fascinating subject, I've spent 3 years digging into and learning much more about than you would just by reading the Koran. If you want to start that way, in the same direction as Purr, well go for it. But don't denigrate someone else who has put much more time into the subject than you have.

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 1:24pm

Please don't deny yourself the opportunity to shout and stamp your feet if it will make you feel better.

I can play this game for hours.

But you have already revealed a troubling character trait; maybe more than one.

Firstly, in your haste to blast off a reply, you fail to notice that you haven't actually understood the point.

The point about Satanic Verses is that people were prepared to support the killing of an author but actually they hadn't read the book. They were going on the direction of others who were winding them up. But they didn't have first hand knowledge of the subject. Very dangerous.

And your remarks about the Koran.

Again, by your own admission you haven't read it. You are following the herd. It doesn't matter if your assessment is correct or not if it is formed by second hand views.

You need to actually read these things to be able to form an opinion.

I suppose, by your reasoning, the Bible and the Jewish holy books could be described as just rubbish particularly by those who haven't read them

This is like the Great orange One constantly bleating 'fake news, fake news.' while denying things he says in front of the cameras; live, in real time.

He's fooling you all, wake up and smell the coffee.

Don't worry, you are five thousand miles away, when the States implode you should be relatively safe.


By the way, do you know who that quote is by ?

And, in your own words, what exactly were 'the Satanic Verses?

Come on now, let it all out.

I'm just a thicko from the North.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 1:29pm

Crossed posts.


..It is a fascinating subject, I've spent 3 years digging into and learning much more about than you would just by reading the Koran. If you want to start that way, in the same direction as Purr, well go for it. But don't denigrate someone else who has put much more time into the subject than you have.

So again you place more weight on someone elses' view and interpretation than on your own.

If you have spent three years on this, wouldn't it have made just a but of sense to read the original material first ?

And encouraging people to read the Koran ?

Hmmmm.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 25th, 2017, 2:02pm

Is Trump a DICTATOR?"






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Post by Erno86 on Feb 25th, 2017, 2:08pm







"TRUMP IS THE ENEMY OF THE TRUTH"
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Post by Swamprat on Feb 25th, 2017, 2:26pm

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 2:34pm

Hal, it is a complete fallacy and yes you do sound very thick.

I'm not a perfect person but I don't miss the forest for the trees apparently like you do about the Koran and the Satanic Verses.

If you got anything out of that documentary I posted with Rusdie explaining it in his own words. WTF are you asking me such stupid questions for?

You answer my question ok?

Because it is a fallacy that you need to "read the Koran" in order to understand its effects and obvious flaws.

The fact that you are basing this argument on the thick skulled premise that the reason those nasty Arabs set a Fatwa against Rusdie is because they refused to read the Satanic Verses? Is that your argument?

It shows you haven't looked at this situation the way it is. You are basing your argument's premise on over-looking the Islamic decrees that have to do with insulting the "Prophet" and insulting the Koran.

The "Satanic Verses" were a period of time that Mohammid excused his conflating the one true god being Allah with the other pagan gods in order to garner favor with local pagens and recruit them into his religion..

But when he was criticized because there was only one god and how could he combine these gods for that short period of time, he made the excuse it was the devil who spoke to him at that time and not Gabriele. Then this became known and detracted as the Satanic Verses.

I've told you this before Hal. I remember explaining this about a year ago as well.

The fact remains that because it is Islamic tendencies to condemn anyone who insults Mo or the Koran, and exposes something that contradicts the Koran as being perfect, in the mind of some crazy Iman, a Fatwa can be called.

That is the whole point Hal. That because it is conceived as an insult, if it is or not, even if it is a historical fact, it can generate a Fatwa.




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 2:44pm

Swamp,

Hmmm A bit odd.

I record key data from usdebtclock.org on the same day every month as a way of keeping an eye on the outcome of the Presidents promises.

Here are the last two.

24 Jan 2017 $ 19,964,495,033,374

24 Jan 2017 $ 19,978,976,936,912

I make that an increase of $ 13,481,903,638

Its an interesting site. well worth a look.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 2:54pm

Tommi,

I asked you what the actual Satanic Verses were.

And you don't know.

They were children's nursery rhymes.

Look, I don't mind you expressing your opinions of me. But I hold one thing to be true.

If you haven't read the original document then you can't form a judgement. Your opinion may be mistaken, but it will be your own.

I read all this stuff back in the eighties. It's old hat.

All religions lead people by the nose. It has always been that way. Why do you think the early Bibles were in Latin ?

Because the 'common people' couldn't read them. Only the educated could.

Cast aside religion, Tommi. It will only bring you grief.

HAl
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:02pm

on Feb 25th, 2017, 1:24pm, INT21 wrote:
I can play this game for hours.


I'd rather not...

Quote:
The point about Satanic Verses is that people were prepared to support the killing of an author but actually they hadn't read the book.



2016 - Salman Rushdie: Iranian state media renew fatwa on Satanic Verses author with $600,000 bounty
The announcement coincides with the anniversary of the fatwa issued in 1989

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/salman-rushdie-iranian-state-media-renew-fatwa-on-satanic-verses-author-with-600000-bounty-a6887141.html

Yeah.. I'm sure nobody in Iran has read the book. But it is not the book's contents only, the book's title is sufficient as an insult to Islam. This is what you don't seem to get.

Quote:
It doesn't matter if your assessment is correct or not if it is formed by second hand views.

You need to actually read these things to be able to form an opinion.



No, that is a fallacy. It is ridiculous that you say that the Koran, (which relies on 2nd hand views for interpretation, it is so obtuse) needs to be read.

I'll tell you what.. You read the Koran and get back to me and tell me what I'm missing.. that 30 year scholars haven't helped me understand yet..

Meanwhile answer this question please:

What do you think you are actually going to learn of spiritual or intellectual value by "reading the Koran"?


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:05pm

on Feb 25th, 2017, 2:54pm, INT21 wrote:
Tommi,

I asked you what the actual Satanic Verses were.

And you don't know.

They were children's nursery rhymes.

Look, I don't mind you expressing your opinions of me. But I hold one thing to be true.

If you haven't read the original document then you can't form a judgement. Your opinion may be mistaken, but it will be your own.

I read all this stuff back in the eighties. It's old hat.

All religions lead people by the nose. It has always been that way. Why do you think the early Bibles were in Latin ?

Because the 'common people' couldn't read them. Only the educated could.

Cast aside religion, Tommi. It will only bring you grief.

HAl
INT21


OMG are you that incredibly thick? In the flipping book they were a nursery rhyme. But in REAL LIFE it is something else and the Iranian's found his use of that title to be sufficiently insulting enough, let alone the metaphorical subplot.

For crying out loud.. give it up Hal. Go read the Koran.
Then you can enlighten me.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:16pm

See all the Iranian's think about it, is

The Satanic Verses never happened.

Don't bring up the Satanic Verses or you insult the Prophet

If you mention and make a book called the Satanic Verses, you are mentioning something we can kill you over.

This is the forest Hal.

They kill people over cartoons as well or haven't you realized that either..

rolleyes

And how is reading the Koran or the Satanic Verses going to change that reality?

rolleyes


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:25pm

Since you seem to gloss over the global and historical consequences of this religion called Islam..

I ask you once again, but you say you read it in the 80's and it's "old hat".. ok then..

What did you actually learn of spiritual or intellectual value by "reading the Koran"?

Still waiting for an answer Hal.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:34pm

I could post video after video of children learning the Koran, as young boys are required to do.

The custom is to beat them while they are trying to memorize it. Would you like to see about 20 or more videos of young boys being beaten, some have been beaten to death.

Would you like one video of how children, young boys, are taught to "learn the Koran"?

Did you know this is a common practice and not condemned in the Islamic community?

So again I ask you Hal..

What do you think you are actually going to learn of spiritual or intellectual value by "reading the Koran"?



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:37pm

...Still waiting for an answer Hal....

Sorry, I was away doing other things. You know, feeding my ferrets and darning a hole in flat cap; that kind of thing.

What did I learn...

That a psychopathic pedophile can do a lot of damage if he can get enough people to believe him.

And nothing else of value.

No one needs 'holy men' telling them what to think. Particularly when it involves doing harm to others.

Just be your own person. Do no harm to others and hope they will do non to you. It's that easy.

And will you go to an afterlife ? Who knows. You will find out when you die; or you wont.

If you don't then it's likely to be 'THE END'. Total void. oblivion. You won't feel a thing.

HAL
INT21



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:42pm

Re reading your last.

what did I expect you to learn by reading the Koran?

Nothing. I only expected you to be able to have read the book you are on about.

And the beating etc is what we call 'indoctrination' .

They are being forced into memorizing large chunks of the book.

Not just being asked to read it.

But you knew that ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:47pm

Aphorisms like that I can get out of fortune cookies..

What do you think you are actually going to learn of spiritual or intellectual value by "reading the Koran"?

So.. I take it your answer is nuthing..

Some have become Athiests..

http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/islam-made-me-an-atheist-says-douglas-murray/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:53pm

So.. basically you are thinking you are going to get away with bashing me for wisely deciding my time would be better off spent not reading the Koran and learning about it instead from others who are deeply studied in it and yet you are also admitting that you expected to learn nothing from it yourself?

Are you serious? No.. you are just taking the p*ss. For whatever reason that is everything to do with you and not my relating what I've learned.

In fact, it appears I've learned a lot more than you have, and I haven't read the flipping book. Imagine that.. tongue


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:55pm

.... Would you like to see about 20 or more videos of young boys being beaten, some have been beaten to death...

Maybe the real question is...

why do YOU need to view so many videos of children being tortured ?

wouldn't one have been enough ? maybe even one to many.

By the way, that isn't a rhetorical question.

I always was an atheist. so maybe I'm ahead of the game.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:01pm

.... and yet you are also admitting that you expected to learn nothing from it yourself?...

sorry, you can't play that game with me and expect it to be brushed over.

I said, in answer to your question, that I had learned nothing of value from reading it.

Note that this was a conclusion I came to after I read it and pondered on it's implications.

You are implying that I read it with preconceived ideas. With a fore knowledge that I would learn nothing from it. and this is not the case.

Remember, I am the one here who has read the book.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:02pm

This whole boring and trite discussion between us Hal, reminds me of when all this Islamic tension with ISIS started to explode..

And Lousie Mensch.. I'm sure you know who she is;

But on Twitter she is known as the Menshatron because she tweets endlessly about subjects she gets herself stuck into and this time it was Islam for a brief period..

She had in Arabic writing under her header on Twitter "there shall be no compulsion in religion"

And explained to everyone on twitter how she had read the Koran at Oxford..

I thought to myself.. yeah Louise, you were so drugged out of it while at Oxford you were carrying it around to look cool.. but don't tell me you read it and comprehended it.

That kind of BS didn't go over on twitter very well, because scholars with PHD's and people like Douglas Murray who have studied Islam and the Koran pointed out to her the fallacy of her smugness.

She obviously didn't learn that the verse she quoted had been abrogated by verses much later in the Koran when Mohammid was in Medina. It was a verse that had become nullified early in Mohammid's career of religion building.

Ok.. so that's how people who think they are smarter than anyone else with this subject, miss the forest totally..


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:04pm

By the way, what do you think about the POTUS blocking out selected news reporters and stations.

Guess he can say goodbye to his cream tea with the Queen.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:16pm

on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:55pm, INT21 wrote:
.... Would you like to see about 20 or more videos of young boys being beaten, some have been beaten to death...

Maybe the real question is...

why do YOU need to view so many videos of children being tortured ?

wouldn't one have been enough ? maybe even one to many.

By the way, that isn't a rhetorical question.

I always was an atheist. so maybe I'm ahead of the game.

HAL
INT21


I watched one only this year and that was enough, but when I googled boys learning the Koran being beaten, to make my point to you, and endless array of videos came up I decided just to point out that there are loads of them out there to you.

So....... you assume that I spend my time watching children being beaten up and you are also the guy who thinks that the reason Rusdie got his fatwa was because nobody in Iran read the book..

And you are the guy who smugly likes to say because he wasted his time reading the ravings of lunatic that I'm somehow wrong because I knew better than to waste my time..

I think Hal.. you are picking on me because you can't stomach the way the world really is... that is what I'm thinking.

You are seeing the coming clash of civilisations and want to find some way for reason to prevail through it.



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:20pm

on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:04pm, INT21 wrote:
By the way, what do you think about the POTUS blocking out selected news reporters and stations.

Guess he can say goodbye to his cream tea with the Queen.

HAL
INT21


The Queen will have him. BBC has been fake news for sometime. It happened I think I remember about the time Blair was replacing key people in the BBC... but then.. at that time I was left.. so maybe Blair was putting right conservatives in there to balance out the left bias..
But then what happened since? The BBC is bonkers..
Skye News is still also a bit left wing for its own good as well right now.

Fox all the way!!


You know Milo is right about everything .. in his own disputable way.. Forget the hit job about the 13 yr old, I'm not going to go down that debate hole.

Conservative values aren't what they are in the traditional sense. It's more like libertarian ideals wrapped in capitalism and western culture with national interest at heart for the betterment of the working class and economy with peace as the ultimate ideal but if not we will have to fight and make hard decisions.

That's what the new "conservatism" is. Ask Milo smiley


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:28pm

... BBC has been fake news for sometime...

Intriguing..

Can you point me to some particular example. Preferably concerning himself ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:34pm

on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:28pm, INT21 wrote:
... BBC has been fake news for sometime...

Intriguing..

Can you point me to some particular example. Preferably concerning himself ?

HAL
INT21


I was using the word Fake symbolically, not literally.

Brexit, it was fear mongering. Made fun of Nigel Farge in unflattering articles. Unflattering articles now about Trump with grand speculation.

Sad state of affairs, when you have to turn to the Spectator reader comments and Fox news to find reason, truth and sanity anymore..

sigh.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 4:41pm

...I was using the word Fake symbolically, not literally...

As in 'alternative facts' ...Don't you just love Conway.

But The Man uses the word literally.

Sort of 'non of it's true, it's all fake'...

how would you interpret that ?

I mean 'fake' means not true, made up, fictitious.

Would you not agree ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 25th, 2017, 5:06pm

..A final word on this subject. I think it is played out.

...I think Hal.. you are picking on me because you can't stomach the way the world really is... that is what I'm thinking...

I'm not picking on you. Was just trying to asses your view on a subject that doesn't really interest me any more.


oh yes.
...Forget the hit job about the 13 yr old,..

Is that hit or head ? hard to read on this screen.

Time to go watch some fake news..

Goodnight. wink
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Post by purr on Feb 27th, 2017, 12:27pm

on Feb 24th, 2017, 5:15pm, INT21 wrote:
I was watching the CPAC meeting.

Maybe someone can explain the long term consequences of this to me.

It seems, on the face of it, that although the present government are Republicans, there exists within the part this separate grouping that is running in parallel and these are the people who attend CPAC. Brannon was there and so was (Sorry, can't remember his name) .

They also appear to not be on quite the same song sheet as the mainstream Republicans.

Can some one cast some light on this ?

HAL
INT21

Edit: it was Priebus.


When you posted the above I was closely following CNN's reporting, and actually in the middle of viewing an earlier recording of Trump's Conservative Political Action Conference address, HAL. Would have replied too (in spite of me lacking the insight of a US resident) if only, for no reason I can think of, I hadn't fallen asleep halfway through (requiring me to come back to the CPAC speech later, as my daily schedule allows).

First (my personal perspective/interest) comparing CNN running commentary to the full Trump speech, I felt the commentators seemed hell bent on focusing on parts that made him look bad, and when taken out of context, would confirm a well developed liberal(?)/anti-Trump image of the guy as somehow bad. (Which he might be, or not, that's not the point: this is about checking if they were reporting straight up or strayed into 'fakeness' laugh.)

So I went back and carefully listened to Trump's 'CPAC remarks'. I was surprised about how much sense he made. Coherent, fairly nice, made passable attempts at a (dentists' appointment) smile now and then. He 'loved' the people at CPAC (goes to your question here...), they were his stand-up clapping cheering 'friends'. How to explain this when during campaign days they spurned him for another candidate, presumably because he didn't pass Family Value Muster in 2015.

(I'm sure you figured this out.) Trump wasn't / isn't a good enough Christian based on his life conduct. But he won so he will have to make do (perhaps augmented by the fervent prayers for this imperfect vessel offered by Mike Pence and evangelical Republicans everywhere) to further their vision of America, made into a more RIGHTEOUS land, putting a cap on abortion rights, euthanasia and (if at all possible) various iniquities like full equality for gays and the scourge of transgenders in public bathrooms. Longterm effects assuming Trumps 4-8 year presidency plus the follow through by a more conservative SCOTUS. I'm having a little fun with this, thinking that if folks of this political persuasion (CPAC crowd) tried living in the Netherlands they'd probably jump into a canal.

Simply, it seems the CPAC of today is being pragmatic about who they love and support.

And Trump is cleverly making them use of them in turn. My biggest thought: clever guy.


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 27th, 2017, 1:00pm

He is making clever use of them. Don't be persuaded that the old Republican guard can be summed up with the stereotype of fundamental Christian values. It is more than that, it encompasses a whole litany of dinosaur ideologies that up to the present point in time with Trump, made them virtually obsolete. Trump is their savior and only a silverback like gorilla and heavy hammer like Trump can corral them into a more moderate place which will be somewhere between the Dems and the old guard Republicans.

Trump is more democrat if anything than old guard republican.

The trans bathroom problem is a ridiculous situation as well. It was made into a big political issue by the SJW's of the Dems..


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Feb 27th, 2017, 1:45pm

Purr,

let's see. Something like the Corbinistas within the Labour party ? No doubt you can think of a Dutch equivalent.

I wasn't so much concerned with what Trump was going on about, but by the apparent difference in direction between the main Republican party and what was being said by the CPAC crowd.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 27th, 2017, 3:02pm

Geert Weilders is one example of a similar politician and party to the new Republican agenda that Trump is espousing.

Granted .. Geert is a lot less subtle about it....


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Post by INT21 on Feb 27th, 2017, 3:41pm

...Granted .. Geert is a lot less subtle about it....

And not only did we not invite him to the palace for tea and bickies, we refused him entrance.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/12/far-right-dutch-mp-ban-islam

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 27th, 2017, 3:54pm

"But is all this wise? Inevitably, one hears some voices urging everyone to cool it --- to wait and see, to try to be constructive, to reach out to Trump supporters, to seek ground for compromise.

Just say no.
Outrage at what's happening to America isn't just justified, it's essential. In fact, it may be our last chance of saving democracy."

quote: Paul Krugman - "The Uses of Outrage - Civil society need to take a stand." --- NYT's OP-ED Monday, February 27, 2017
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Post by tommi01 on Feb 27th, 2017, 4:29pm

on Feb 27th, 2017, 3:41pm, INT21 wrote:
...Granted .. Geert is a lot less subtle about it....

And not only did we not invite him to the palace for tea and bickies, we refused him entrance.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/12/far-right-dutch-mp-ban-islam

HAL
INT21


tomi01 Norbert • 4 days ago
Says everything there is to say about how this country has set itself up for Islamization when a person like Robert Spencer is banned for stating facts about Islam and information that can not be refuted due to the man's thorough knowledge of the subject.
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Comments section to this article:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/the-islamic-world-did-liberalise-but-then-came-the-first-world-war/


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Post by tommi01 on Feb 27th, 2017, 4:37pm

on Feb 27th, 2017, 3:37pm, Erno86 wrote:


The poor Muslim snowflake.. I just wish she and her ilk would stop bellyaching about their own "rights" because they never had it so good when it comes to rights and freedom.

I wish instead they would start shaming the world's medieval mindset of Muslims into stopping their intifadas against the west, and to stop their political agendas, bloodshed, brutality and how about standing up against female genital mutilation for a change..

Then you would see things change.. but until these little pom poms in hajibs decide to stand up for what is right, they are as radical as the rest of them, otherwise they would be as appalled at their own as we are at them..

That is reality.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Feb 27th, 2017, 5:22pm

https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/posts/856795994458297?notif_t=notify_me_page¬if_id=1488054655699425

Edwin Wagner I am astonished....Reading from the Netherlands. We have a big refugee problem......but you Americans have a bigger one......The Lefties. Stay safe.
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Post by Erno86 on Feb 28th, 2017, 4:29pm

"Trump appears to blame generals on SEAL's death in Yemen raid."

quote: MSN

"The first military operation President Trump authorized, a rare and risky raid in Yemen on Jan. 28, resulted in the deaths of a Navy Seal and as many as 29 civilians. That led to reasonable questions from members of Congress, including Republicans, who wanted to know what went wrong and whether there were lessons to be learned.

The Trump administration tried to shut down those inquires, calling them an affront to the legacy of the fallen service member, Chief Petty Officer William Owens.

Chief Owens father begs to differ. Bill Owens told the Miami Herald in an interview published Sunday that he has several lingering questions about the mission during which his son, known as Ryan, was killed. 'Don't hide behind my son's death to prevent an investigation, he said, 'The government owes my son an investigation.'"

When Senator John McCain, who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee, suggested that the raid had been a failure, Mr. Trump attacked him in a series of tweets, defiantly claiming that 'Ryan died on a winning mission' and debating the success or failure of a military operation 'only emboldens the enemy!'"

quote: NYT's Editorials -- Tuesday, February 28, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Feb 28th, 2017, 4:37pm

"Mr. Trump's denunciations of and policies targeting Mexicans, Muslims and others have reawakened and energized the demons of bigotry. Hate crimes and other incidents of bias have flared up as documented by many news organizations."

quote: NYT's Editorials --- Tuesday, February 28, 2017
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Post by MrGort on Feb 28th, 2017, 6:52pm

Trump vs EPA about time.



This is an example of mission creep. The Clean Water Act was signed into law in the 70s. At about the same time the Environmental Policy Act was also signed into law. This law established the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). At that time the Clean Water Act for dredge or fill material to be placed in “Navigable Waters” of the United States required a permit. The Army Corps of Engineers (COE) had in place a permitting program stemming from The Rivers And Harbors Act (1800s) requiring a permit for any work in navigable waters. This was known as section 10 permits. The main purpose was to prevent one state from damning water flowing through other states.

Since the Corps of Engineers had a permitting program in place EPA deferred to their permitting program to administer section 404 of the Clean Water Act as well. This was supposed to be a temporary arrangement but EPA never developed the administrative tools or personnel to oversee section 404 leaving the COE to oversee and administer the program.

It always struck me as strange that a military organization would have such control over civilian activities. Nonetheless it’s been that way since the 70s.

Over the years, the COE and EPA have redefined navigable waters to include wetlands. At first wetlands were easily perceived especially in coastal areas. Even though these lands were not navigable the logic was to protect the water flowing into navigable waters which could be polluted by filling a wetland. Most federal and state agencies seem to agree with this approach and little opposition was forthcoming.

However, mission creep again became evident when the Corps of Engineers exerted jurisdiction over lakes and ponds which were geographically isolated from navigable waters. The logic used in this taking was that game birds could land in these ponds and under the commerce clause constituted or were equivalent to commerce on navigable waters and therefore under federal jurisdiction (hunters were spending money to hunt birds).

Mission creep continues to where now you don’t even have to have a pond. If the groundwater is sufficiently close to the surface the area could be designated as a wetland requiring permits for you to construct for example a house on your private land or even put a pool in.
There are some exemptions but in most cases the jurisdictional determination is so complicated the average person would need to hire a consultant. The COE could disagree with the consultant at its discretion.

Until recently this determination was final without an opportunity for review but the Supreme Court has intervened. EPA has the authority to overrule the Corps of Engineers since it was their program in the first-place the corps is merely the foot soldier for EPA.

Current regulations defining the wetland.

http://www.usace.army.mil/Portals/2/docs/civilworks/regulatory/rw_bro.pdf

There is a long-convoluted mess of federal agency mission creep and various lawsuits. You’re certainly welcome to look into if interested but I’ve tried to give you the cliff notes version.


All this BS has supported many federal employees and lawyers. As to whether it ever was the intention of Congress for the federal government to extend its tentacles into your backyard is doubtful and equally doubtful is the benefit. Clearly it has stymied many but as I said lawyers and bureaucrats have been feeding off of this for years.

Finally, it looks as though somebody with some sense is going to take care of this. Trump has initiated a rollback to the original intent, with everyone understanding section 404 as Navigable Waters as originally intended.

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Post by Erno86 on Mar 1st, 2017, 4:43pm

"Cambodia Cites Trump's Example in Warning Foreign Media to 'Respect the State'" - By Mike Ives - NYT's - March 1, Wednesday, 2017

"In a sign that President Trump's criticism of the news media may be having a ripple effect overseas, a government spokesman in Cambodia has cited the American leader in threatening to shutter foreign news outlets, including some that receive money from Washington.

The spokesman, Phay Siphan, said that foreign news groups, including the United States-financed Voice of America and Radio Free Asia, should 'reconsider' how they broadcast --- or risk a government response if their reports are deemed to spread disinformation or threaten peace and stability.

The White House decision to bar several news outlets, including The New York Times, CNN and Politico, from a briefing last week, Mr. Phay Siphan said in a Facebook post on Saturday, 'sends a clear message' that Mr. Trump 'sees that news broadcast by those media outlets does not reflect the truth, which is the responsibility of professional journalists'

'Freedom of expression,' he wrote, 'is subject to the law and must respect the state's power.'"



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Post by MrGort on Mar 1st, 2017, 6:47pm

on Mar 1st, 2017, 4:43pm, Erno86 wrote:
"Cambodia Cites Trump's Example in Warning Foreign Media to 'Respect the State'" - By Mike Ives - NYT's - March 1, Wednesday, 2017

"In a sign that President Trump's criticism of the news media may be having a ripple effect overseas, a government spokesman in Cambodia has cited the American leader in threatening to shutter foreign news outlets, including some that receive money from Washington.

The spokesman, Phay Siphan, said that foreign news groups, including the United States-financed Voice of America and Radio Free Asia, should 'reconsider' how they broadcast --- or risk a government response if their reports are deemed to spread disinformation or threaten peace and stability.

The White House decision to bar several news outlets, including The New York Times, CNN and Politico, from a briefing last week, Mr. Phay Siphan said in a Facebook post on Saturday, 'sends a clear message' that Mr. Trump 'sees that news broadcast by those media outlets does not reflect the truth, which is the responsibility of professional journalists'

'Freedom of expression,' he wrote, 'is subject to the law and must respect the state's power.'"





They told you that LSD would leave permanant effects.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 01:46am

Erno can you explain to me why the left and those like yourself don't like Trump for any substantial reason?

Why are these news outlets and people like yourself and everyone I know on facebook (sigh) picking at trivialities?

Case in point. He immediately reduced the ability of people who work in the government to lobby for corporations. Nobody on the left has explored or given credit to this action which has been needed for a long time.

Many other aspects... all ignored and instead they want to find anything they can and what they do is almost embarrassing instead for them. What's up?

Why can't the left, the regressive left, those who bring women in as figureheads who espouse about the benefits of Sharia law in America, not understand they are (like the women promoting Sharia) digging their own hole?





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 09:01am

Tommi,

You want reasons why people do not like Trump ?

Substantial reasons ? Ok

He's a liar. He says things then denies he has said them.

He's an ex bankrupt. May still be one. We can't tell as he won't produce his tax records.

Anyone can get rich if you don't pay taxes and bills. If he can screw up his own finances why should the people trust him with the countries.

He is arrogant on a scale never seen in any other President.

He insults people to their face, to a level that is almost unbelievable if you didn't actually hear him saying it.
Then he turns around and says these same people are 'great people' how he loves them and they love him'

I suspect people like Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz etc are thinking 'what an Ar**hole'.

This guy will bust America if he isn't kept on a very tight leash.

And the way he put that poor lady on the spot during his last speech was shameful. It was cruel beyond belief to use her loss as he did. And he dragged it out as long as possible then claimed 'another record.. Poor woman was wrecked.

He's a bXXXXXd.[MOD-EDIT-Z]

But he's your bXXXXXd,[MOD-EDIT-Z] you wanted him, you got him.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on Mar 2nd, 2017, 09:56am

on Mar 2nd, 2017, 09:01am, INT21 wrote:
Tommi,

You want reasons why people do not like Trump ?

Substantial reasons ? Ok

He's a liar. He says things then denies he has said them.

He's an ex bankrupt. May still be one. We can't tell as he won't produce his tax records.

Anyone can get rich if you don't pay taxes and bills. If he can screw up his own finances why should the people trust him with the countries.

He is arrogant on a scale never seen in any other President.

He insults people to their face, to a level that is almost unbelievable if you didn't actually hear him saying it.
Then he turns around and says these same people are 'great people' how he loves them and they love him'

I suspect people like Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz etc are thinking 'what an Ar**hole'.

This guy will bust America if he isn't kept on a very tight leash.

And the way he put that poor lady on the spot during his last speech was shameful. It was cruel beyond belief to use her loss as he did. And he dragged it out as long as possible then claimed 'another record.. Poor woman was wrecked.

He's a bastard.

But he's your bastard, you wanted him, you got him.

HAL
INT21

You just can't argue with the liberal even one from the Muslim London.



Examples - site a few and even if you find an exaggeration is it significant? Or just another tidbit for the left to bite on?

Tax returns – so what, probably more complex than the average person could comprehend and probably the most scrutinized tax returns imagined. Just more fodder for the liberal left to make and distract as that's about all they seem to be able to do.

Next thing the're going to be talking about the size of his hands.

Why not investigate Hillary, Ben Ghazi, compromised emails. These are still significant issues which the left apparently seems to have forgotten.

What about Obama's influence to disrupt the Trump administration. It can go on and on but as I said talking to a liberal might be as productive as asking your dog who he voted for!
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Post by tommi01 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 10:11am

Thank you Gort.. very timely defense.

Yes Hal.. Gort came up with questions and statements that didn't even enter my mind when reading your post.

What did go through my mind was.. where is the evidence of any of this? Did you not know about Nixon's persona as well when it came to "arrogance". I think somehow, when we judge people "off the cuff" so to speak, like you do, it tends to be a reflection of the person doing the viewing, their perspective and their hang-ups..

I would never describe Trump as arrogant. He doesn't have an arrogant demeanor. Cameron was arrogant and petulant.

Trump is just trying to be the strong alfa male that he was elected to be. As far as your insinuations of his lying and rudeness and "using" a woman; I think fact checking and getting back to me when you can with facts that denote the serious attack on his character and not a one off bone picking witch hunting major storm in a tea cup please..


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 12:17pm

Tommi,

....You just can't argue with the liberal even one from the Muslim London...

Must be you he's referring to.

Just look through all the available records of his appearances.

Look, I can stand any amount of political promises that probably won't be kept. Nothing new about that. All new brooms wish to start with a clean sweep.
Promise the Earth, get in, then work out how you will actually do it ? No issues there. Standard procedure.
It is the incessant bullying and his apparent opinion that he is God and the rest of the world best remember it that is the problem. His character is playing against him, and by extension against the country.

If you guys can't see the arrogance then there is no point in even talking about it.

Deflections by referring to Obama etc are really irrelevant as Obama is history.

The next 12 month will tell.

Believe it or not, I do wish you people a prosperous future. It helps everyone.
I just think you have made a huge mistake in electing Trump. You really do deserve better.

Even the Governor of the Fed isn't impressed. At least he didn't seem so on CNBC this afternoon. He seems to give the impression that he thinks the past years of steady improvement are about to be blown out of the water.

HAL
INT21



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 2:33pm

U.S. Attorney General --- RACIST GOON PIG --- Jeff Sessions must resign because of perjury under oath during his confirmation hearing in front of Congress!!




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Post by MrGort on Mar 2nd, 2017, 3:09pm

on Mar 2nd, 2017, 12:17pm, INT21 wrote:
Deflections by referring to Obama etc are really irrelevant as Obama is history.



So naïve, if that were only true.

http://www.infowars.com/obamas-organizing-for-action-partners-with-soros-linked-indivisible-to-disrupt-trumps-agenda/

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 3:25pm

BREAKING: SESSIONS RECUSES HIMSELF FROM ANY "FUTURE INVESTIGATIONS OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN"






Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 3:59pm

Jeff Sessions was the Alabama senator in 1999, that went hard after Bill Clinton for committing perjury during the Republican investigation into Bill's tryst with Monica Lewinsky.







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Post by MrGort on Mar 2nd, 2017, 4:03pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/02/amid-russia-uproar-sessions-gets-boost-from-senate-allies-and-dem-s-twitter-flub.html



Several senators on both sides of the aisle rushed to back Attorney General Jeff Sessions Thursday as he sought to blunt resignation calls from senior Democrats, following revelations he met last year with Russia's ambassador – a detail omitted from recent congressional testimony.
His defenders say such meetings between senators and diplomats were routine. And Sessions even got an inadvertent boost from Democratic Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, who in demanding the AG's resignation initially claimed she never called or met with Russia's ambassador -- only for tweets to surface indicating she had, at least twice.
Other former colleagues intentionally came to Sessions' defense, backing the former Alabama senator's claim he only met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in his official capacity as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
“I’ve met with the Russian ambassador with a group, in my capacity, with a group of other senators,” Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., told CNN. “That’s in my official capacity. That’s nothing. That’s my job.”
Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said in a statement that he’d talked to “at least twenty ambassadors in the last six weeks.”
“It would have been very normal for Sessions, as a senator, to have talked to the Russian ambassador without discussing the election,” Blunt said.
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said on MSNBC that he’d met with “six ambassadors in the last five months.” Though he hadn’t met with Kislyak, Cruz said he would do so without reservations.
The statements of support came as other lawmakers -- including the two top-ranking Democrats, Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Chuck Schumer -- demanded Sessions' resignation.
The calls came in the wake of The Washington Post first reporting that Sessions met with Kislyak in July and September, despite testimony during his confirmation hearing that he had never spoken with Russian officials during the time he was a campaign surrogate for then-GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.
Sessions is maintaining he never discussed campaign matters with the Russian ambassador, and the White House has backed him.
Sessions, while an Alabama senator, in fact met often with ambassadors from a variety of countries, according to a schedule provided to Fox News by a Department of Justice spokesperson. From April 14 through Nov. 11, Sessions had 30 meetings with ambassadors, including four with the ambassador for Great Britain. The day before then-Sen. Sessions met with Kislyak on Sept. 8, he took a meeting with Ukraine Ambassador Valeriy Chaly. Though it’s unclear what was discussed, the back-to-back meetings occurred a week before Russia accepted a unilateral ceasefire plan in Ukraine on behalf of the separatist rebels it backs there.
Seeking to drive a stake into Sessions’ defense, however, McCaskill tweeted Thursday she had “been on the Armed Services Com for 10 years. No call or meeting w/Russian ambassador. Ever. Ambassadors call members of Foreign Rel Com.”


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In a pair of tweets first unearthed by National Review’s Charles C.W. Cooke, McCaskill twice wrote messages about meetings with Kislyak, in 2013 and 2015.
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McCaskill later blamed Twitter's character limit for the seeming disparity in her tweets, suggesting the limit prevented her from being more specific in Thursday's tweet. She downplayed the significance of her own conversations with Russia's ambassador.

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Post by Erno86 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 4:40pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 2nd, 2017, 6:28pm

Don't you see how this is muck racking and not productive to any progress?

As far as Hal's comments above, you are accusing the president of not following through on his campaign promises? That is all he has been doing, and in record time.

And where at all are your facts or evidence of the following:

"It is the incessant bullying and his apparent opinion that he is God and the rest of the world best remember it that is the problem. His character is playing against him, and by extension against the country."

This is subjective and if you can't see that....


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by purr on Mar 3rd, 2017, 07:08am

on Mar 2nd, 2017, 4:03pm, MrGort wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/02/amid-russia-uproar-sessions-gets-boost-from-senate-allies-and-dem-s-twitter-flub.html



Several senators on both sides of the aisle rushed to back Attorney General Jeff Sessions Thursday as he sought to blunt resignation calls from senior Democrats, following revelations he met last year with Russia's ambassador – a detail omitted from recent congressional testimony.
His defenders say such meetings between senators and diplomats were routine. And Sessions even got an inadvertent boost from Democratic Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, who in demanding the AG's resignation initially claimed she never called or met with Russia's ambassador -- only for tweets to surface indicating she had, at least twice.
Other former colleagues intentionally came to Sessions' defense, backing the former Alabama senator's claim he only met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in his official capacity as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
“I’ve met with the Russian ambassador with a group, in my capacity, with a group of other senators,” Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., told CNN. “That’s in my official capacity. That’s nothing. That’s my job.”
Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said in a statement that he’d talked to “at least twenty ambassadors in the last six weeks.”
“It would have been very normal for Sessions, as a senator, to have talked to the Russian ambassador without discussing the election,” Blunt said.
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said on MSNBC that he’d met with “six ambassadors in the last five months.” Though he hadn’t met with Kislyak, Cruz said he would do so without reservations.
The statements of support came as other lawmakers -- including the two top-ranking Democrats, Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Chuck Schumer -- demanded Sessions' resignation.
The calls came in the wake of The Washington Post first reporting that Sessions met with Kislyak in July and September, despite testimony during his confirmation hearing that he had never spoken with Russian officials during the time he was a campaign surrogate for then-GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.
Sessions is maintaining he never discussed campaign matters with the Russian ambassador, and the White House has backed him.
Sessions, while an Alabama senator, in fact met often with ambassadors from a variety of countries, according to a schedule provided to Fox News by a Department of Justice spokesperson. From April 14 through Nov. 11, Sessions had 30 meetings with ambassadors, including four with the ambassador for Great Britain. The day before then-Sen. Sessions met with Kislyak on Sept. 8, he took a meeting with Ukraine Ambassador Valeriy Chaly. Though it’s unclear what was discussed, the back-to-back meetings occurred a week before Russia accepted a unilateral ceasefire plan in Ukraine on behalf of the separatist rebels it backs there.
Seeking to drive a stake into Sessions’ defense, however, McCaskill tweeted Thursday she had “been on the Armed Services Com for 10 years. No call or meeting w/Russian ambassador. Ever. Ambassadors call members of Foreign Rel Com.”


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Except, that’s not quite true.
In a pair of tweets first unearthed by National Review’s Charles C.W. Cooke, McCaskill twice wrote messages about meetings with Kislyak, in 2013 and 2015.
“Off to meeting w/Russian Ambassador. Upset about the arbitrary/cruel decision to end all U.S. adoptions, even those in process,” McCaskill tweeted on Jan. 30, 2013.

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On Aug. 6, 2015, McCaskill wrote: “Today calls with British, Russian, and German ambassadors re: Iran deal. #doingmyhomework.”

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McCaskill later blamed Twitter's character limit for the seeming disparity in her tweets, suggesting the limit prevented her from being more specific in Thursday's tweet. She downplayed the significance of her own conversations with Russia's ambassador.


Thanks for adding, I totally get that Gort, so I think the finer question is whether he lied to his Congress (I suspect no, in the narrow legalistic sense) and did he present the precise version of facts he did IN ORDER TO MISLEAD, which if true arguably would be worse?

Could he be accused not of being a liar, but of being disingenious / devious...

(which'll do the atmosphere between Dems and Reps no good at all, but is ultimately survivable for Sessions. Just asking...)


purr
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on Mar 3rd, 2017, 07:51am

on Mar 3rd, 2017, 07:08am, purr wrote:
Thanks for adding, I totally get that Gort, so I think the finer question is whether he lied to his Congress (I suspect no, in the narrow legalistic sense) and did he present the precise version of facts he did IN ORDER TO MISLEAD, which if true arguably would be worse?

Could he be accused not of being a liar, but of being disingenious / devious...

(which'll do the atmosphere between Dems and Reps no good at all, but is ultimately survivable for Sessions. Just asking...)


purr



Al Franken was a former SNL performer. At best he is a bad joke.
He and the Dems are on a fishing expedition. Anything and everything they can do to thwart Trump is they’re sole goal. They are an embarrassment. Maybe we should be discussing what “is” is.
You need to see the context of Al Franken’s rambling question. And Sessions provided an appropriate answer to such a BS question, but he probably should’ve said that without the information he couldn’t comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BpgHcanjCQ


http://video.foxnews.com/v/5346071031001/?#sp=show-clips

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/03/sessions-not-alone-russian-ambassador-also-met-with-numerous-democrats.html



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Agent19k on Mar 3rd, 2017, 09:52am

on Mar 2nd, 2017, 09:56am, MrGort wrote:
You just can't argue with the liberal even one from the Muslim London.



Examples - site a few and even if you find an exaggeration is it significant? Or just another tidbit for the left to bite on?

Tax returns – so what, probably more complex than the average person could comprehend and probably the most scrutinized tax returns imagined. Just more fodder for the liberal left to make and distract as that's about all they seem to be able to do.

Next thing the're going to be talking about the size of his hands.

Why not investigate Hillary, Ben Ghazi, compromised emails. These are still significant issues which the left apparently seems to have forgotten.

What about Obama's influence to disrupt the Trump administration. It can go on and on but as I said talking to a liberal might be as productive as asking your dog who he voted for!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gneBUA39mnI

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 3rd, 2017, 2:48pm

"And as for sounding presidential, how about this passage? 'Free nations are the best vehicle for expressing the will of the people, and America respects the right of all nations to chart there own path. My job is not to represent the world. My job is to represent the United States of America.'

All recent presidents have focused instead on the inalienable human rights of individuals and have criticized governments whose 'own path' is to trample those rights. All recent presidents have believed the United States can and must play a special role in the world as a beacon of freedom.

Trump said he wants an America 'not burdened by our fears' --- after spending an hour stoking those fears. Even when he uses his indoor voice, he doesn't sound much like a president."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/people/eugene-robinson/?utm_term=.b6a68cf46f98

selected quotes: "Nothing 'presidential' about Trump's speech" --- Eugene Robinson - Friday, March 3, 2017 - Washington Post
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Mar 3rd, 2017, 3:20pm

"All recent presidents have focused instead on the inalienable human rights of individuals and have criticized governments whose 'own path' is to trample those rights. All recent presidents have believed the United States can and must play a special role in the world as a beacon of freedom."

Correct; and that "beacon of freedom" is to be a shining example of how well a democratic republic treats its citizens. Our founding fathers did NOT intend for us to be a global police force.

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 3rd, 2017, 3:25pm

"In fact, Sessions met twice with the Russian ambassador, who is wildly reported to be a key spymaster.

Not incidentally, if this news hadn't come to light, forcing Mr. Sessions to recuse himself, he would have supervised the investigation into Russian election meddling, possibly in collusion with the Trump campaign."

"The moral vacuity of Republicans in Congress, and the unlikelihood that they'll act as any check on the president, becomes clearer with each passing day. Even the real possibility that we're facing subversion by agents of a foreign power, and that top officials are part of the story, doesn't seem to faze them as long as they can get tax cuts for the rich and benefit cuts for the poor.

Meanwhile, Republican primary election voters, who are the real arbiters when polarized and/or gerrymandered districts make the general election irrelevant for many politicians, live in a Fox News bubble into which awkward truths never penetrate."

quote: "Goodbye Spin, Hello Raw Dishonesty --- The first casualty of the Trump White House is truth," --- Paul Krugman -- NYT's OP-ED Friday, March 3, 2017


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http://ijr.com/2017/03/816469-it-turns-out-obama-white-house-had-a-direct-role-in-sessions-meeting-with-russian-ambassador/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=ijamerica&utm_campaign=ods&utm_content=Politics
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xxxxxxxx BREAKING NEWS!!! xxxxxxxx

"Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping him at Trump Tower before election."

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-accuses-obama-of-wiretapping-him-at-trump-tower-before-election-2017-03-04


"Comrade Trumpkin sounds kind of desperate..."
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Post by Swamprat on Mar 4th, 2017, 11:51am

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xxxxxxx Swamp xxxxxxx


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Post by Erno86 on Mar 4th, 2017, 12:30pm

xxxxxxx BREAKING NEWS!!! xxxxxxx


"Obama spokesman denies Trump claim of wiretap order"

"Earlier, former Obama adviser Ben Rhodes strongly denied Trump's allegations."

"'No president can order a wiretap. Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you,' Rhode's wrote on Twitter."


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-obama-idUSKBN16B0CC
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Post by Erno86 on Mar 4th, 2017, 12:45pm

xxxxxxxx BREAKING NEWS!!! xxxxxxx

Exclusive: "Trump administration considering separating women, children at Mexico border."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immagration-children-idUSKBN16A2ES
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 4th, 2017, 1:13pm

xxxxxxxxxx BREAKING NEWS!!! xxxxxxxxxx



"Trump's wiretaps tweets 'earth shattering' :Graham"

http://www.reuters.com/video/2017/03/04/trumps-wiretap-tweets-earth-shattering-g?videoId=371236273&videoChannel=1003
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 4th, 2017, 1:32pm

"Trump alleges wiretapping by Obama; gives no evidence."


http://www.reuters.com/video/2017/03/04/trump-alleges-wiretapping-by-Obama-gives?videoId=371235833&videoChannel=2602&channel&channelName=Politics
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 4th, 2017, 2:50pm

"This seems 'nutts,' frantic way in which @realDonaldTrump is kicking up the dust only adds to suspicions and the need for full public reckoning," former Obama adviser David Axelrod wrote on Twitter."

"If there were the wiretap @realDonaldTrump loudly alleges, such an extraordinary warrant would have been OKed by a court for a reason."

quote: David Axelrod - @davidaxelrod - on Twitter - 11:57 AM March 4, 2017

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/322367-david-axelrod-trump-kicking-up-dust-only-adds-to-suspicions-of





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 4th, 2017, 3:17pm

"Vicente Fox slams Trump as a 'so-called' president."

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/322370-vicente-fox-slams-trump-as-a-so-called-president
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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 4th, 2017, 4:07pm

http://conservativefighters.com/news/busted-obama-held-22-secret-meetings-top-russian-spy-hiding/
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 4th, 2017, 4:49pm

TIMELINE :
BREAKING!!!
What we know now:
1, The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.
2, In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.
3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.
5, According to the Executive Order rule changes DNI James Clapper signed off on December 15th.
6. General Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian Ambassador on December 29th
Dec 29th 2016 – Obama announces sanctions on Russia
7, VERY IMPORTANT January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
8. Jan 3rd 2017 – Loretta Lynch signs off on rule changes for phone taps.
9. Jan 12th 2017 – WaPo reports On Phone Calls Anonymous Intel Sources
10. Jan 15th 2017 – VP Pence appears on Face the nation.
11. Jan 20th 2017 – Inauguration
12. Jan 23rd 2017 – FBI reports nothing unlawful in content of Flynn call
13. Jan 26th 2017 – Sally Yates (acting DOJ) informs President Trump there might be a conflict between VP Pence’s stated TV version (was told by Flynn), and what Intel community communicate to Yates that Flynn actually expressed to Russia.
14, Jan 27th 2017 – White House counsel begins investigation to discrepancy.
15 January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties.
Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers.....unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.
Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Mar 5th, 2017, 10:18am

on Mar 4th, 2017, 4:49pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
TIMELINE :
BREAKING!!!
What we know now:
1, The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.
2, In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.
3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.
5, According to the Executive Order rule changes DNI James Clapper signed off on December 15th.
6. General Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian Ambassador on December 29th
Dec 29th 2016 – Obama announces sanctions on Russia
7, VERY IMPORTANT January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
8. Jan 3rd 2017 – Loretta Lynch signs off on rule changes for phone taps.
9. Jan 12th 2017 – WaPo reports On Phone Calls Anonymous Intel Sources
10. Jan 15th 2017 – VP Pence appears on Face the nation.
11. Jan 20th 2017 – Inauguration
12. Jan 23rd 2017 – FBI reports nothing unlawful in content of Flynn call
13. Jan 26th 2017 – Sally Yates (acting DOJ) informs President Trump there might be a conflict between VP Pence’s stated TV version (was told by Flynn), and what Intel community communicate to Yates that Flynn actually expressed to Russia.
14, Jan 27th 2017 – White House counsel begins investigation to discrepancy.
15 January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties.
Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers.....unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.
Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?


Lone...do you have a source for that information?

AKA, "The best defense is a good offense"

"Putin must be advising him on the finer points of dezinformatsiya."

"Either case, if that were the case by some chance, that means that a Federal judge would have found that there was either probable cause that he had committed a crime or was a agent of a foreign power."

"'A wiretap cannot be directed at a U.S. facility,' the current or former intelligence official say's, 'without finding probable cause that the phone lines or Internet address were being used by agents of a foreign power --- or by someone spying for or acting on behalf of a foreign government. You can't just go around and tap buildings.' the official said."
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"And so the descent into and complete governmental insanity continues."
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Post by Erno86 on Mar 6th, 2017, 4:36pm

"Ex-CIA director Michael Hayden Speculates About Trump's Wiretapping Claims"



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"The wheels have come off --- and are on fire!!"





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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 7th, 2017, 3:39pm

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/03/06/gainor-wapos-inserting-trump-every-section-reads-comic-book-against-him/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 7th, 2017, 3:46pm

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/06/mark-levin-open-letter-cnns-brian-stelter/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 7th, 2017, 3:50pm

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/06/dear-mainstream-media-you-made-deepstategate-happen/

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 7th, 2017, 3:53pm

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/06/media-silent-obama-adopted-defense-proposals-pro-soviet-think-tank/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Mar 7th, 2017, 3:58pm

on Mar 4th, 2017, 4:49pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
TIMELINE :
BREAKING!!!
What we know now:
1, The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.
2, In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.
3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.
5, According to the Executive Order rule changes DNI James Clapper signed off on December 15th.
6. General Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian Ambassador on December 29th
Dec 29th 2016 – Obama announces sanctions on Russia
7, VERY IMPORTANT January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
8. Jan 3rd 2017 – Loretta Lynch signs off on rule changes for phone taps.
9. Jan 12th 2017 – WaPo reports On Phone Calls Anonymous Intel Sources
10. Jan 15th 2017 – VP Pence appears on Face the nation.
11. Jan 20th 2017 – Inauguration
12. Jan 23rd 2017 – FBI reports nothing unlawful in content of Flynn call
13. Jan 26th 2017 – Sally Yates (acting DOJ) informs President Trump there might be a conflict between VP Pence’s stated TV version (was told by Flynn), and what Intel community communicate to Yates that Flynn actually expressed to Russia.
14, Jan 27th 2017 – White House counsel begins investigation to discrepancy.
15 January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties.
Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers.....unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.
Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?



This obvious fake news document, looks like a page that was torn out of "Deep State" Bannon's or right-wing lunatic/crazy radio talk show host --- Mark Levin's notebook.

I've had one radio talk show contact with Mark Levin, about 10 years ago. The first thing Levin's screener's ask me before I went on air: "Are you a liberal?" I said...no --- I'm a leftist radical --- They ask me the same question again --- And I repeated the same answer. I forgot what question I ask Levin that night --- But his only verbal response too me that night, before he hanged up: HANG-UP THE PHONE YA DUMMY!!
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 7th, 2017, 8:51pm

I put great stock in the esteemed gentleman's opinion!
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Post by Sys_Config on Mar 8th, 2017, 04:26am

on Mar 7th, 2017, 8:51pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
I put great stock in the esteemed gentleman's opinion!


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and nothing I heard so far can bring me back and an ad hominems like mentally ill even less so.
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 8th, 2017, 12:36pm

on Mar 7th, 2017, 3:58pm, Erno86 wrote:
This obvious fake news document, looks like a page that was torn out of "Deep State" Bannon's or right-wing lunatic/crazy radio talk show host --- Mark Levin's notebook.

I've had one radio talk show contact with Mark Levin, about 10 years ago. The first thing Levin's screener's ask me before I went on air: "Are you a liberal?" I said...no --- I'm a leftist radical --- They ask me the same question again --- And I repeated the same answer. I forgot what question I ask Levin that night --- But his only verbal response too me that night, before he hanged up: HANG-UP THE PHONE YA DUMMY!!


Ok hotshot, prove any of it wrong! Your side has been real good lately at saying something isn't correct but have nothing to show that any of this isn't true! My posting is correct. The balls in your court !

Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 8th, 2017, 2:27pm

http://yournewswire.com/clinton-obama-illegal-wiretapping/

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Post by ZETAR on Mar 8th, 2017, 3:33pm

NICE CATCH LONE!

Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager Robbie Mook has become the latest Democrat to roll over and squeal on his former comrades

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Mar 8th, 2017, 3:47pm

on Mar 4th, 2017, 4:49pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
TIMELINE :
BREAKING!!!
What we know now:
1, The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.
2, In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.
3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.
5, According to the Executive Order rule changes DNI James Clapper signed off on December 15th.
6. General Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian Ambassador on December 29th
Dec 29th 2016 – Obama announces sanctions on Russia
7, VERY IMPORTANT January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
8. Jan 3rd 2017 – Loretta Lynch signs off on rule changes for phone taps.
9. Jan 12th 2017 – WaPo reports On Phone Calls Anonymous Intel Sources
10. Jan 15th 2017 – VP Pence appears on Face the nation.
11. Jan 20th 2017 – Inauguration
12. Jan 23rd 2017 – FBI reports nothing unlawful in content of Flynn call
13. Jan 26th 2017 – Sally Yates (acting DOJ) informs President Trump there might be a conflict between VP Pence’s stated TV version (was told by Flynn), and what Intel community communicate to Yates that Flynn actually expressed to Russia.
14, Jan 27th 2017 – White House counsel begins investigation to discrepancy.
15 January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties.
Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers.....unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.
Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?


The above document is "the mother of fake news," or "the mother of all messaging migraines."

"Trump Aides Address His Wiretap Claims: 'That's Above My Pay Grade'" --- NYT's NATIONAL Wednesday, March 8, 2017

Link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/us/politics/trump-wiretap-claim-obama.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0


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Post by Erno86 on Mar 8th, 2017, 3:58pm

"How low will president Trump go?" --- John Dean


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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 9th, 2017, 12:00pm

You're using the Daily show as FACT?? you really are a 'special' person!

Using probably the most Supreme fake news on the air to justify your opinion? Damn, that's so smart and enlightened!

Do you ever use any other news source but those owned by Soros??

I bet you use Toure on CNN as the absolute expert on race relations!

Lone
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 9th, 2017, 1:34pm

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8889


Amber Athey
Investigative Reporter
@amber_athey
Today at 8:26 AM EDT

An experiment designed to reveal gender bias by reenacting the presidential debates with the candidates’ genders reversed found that Hillary Clinton would have been even less likeable as a man.
The two NYU professors who designed the experiment were "unsettled" to discover that audience members actually found Trump's style more endearing when it came from a woman.
One female audience member even remarked that she found the male version of Clinton "very punchable" because he smiled so much.

An experiment designed to reveal gender bias by reenacting the presidential debates with the candidates’ genders reversed found that Hillary Clinton would have been even less likeable as a man.

Maria Guadalupe and Joe Salvatore, two professors at New York University, planned to demonstrate the alleged gender bias Clinton faced in the 2016 election by acting out the presidential debates with Trump as a woman and Hillary as a man, reports NYU News.

“When [the female version of Trump] was attacking, I had so much respect for her and her level of confidence.” Tweet This

The goal of the “Her Opponent” project was to prove that people would not have accepted Trump’s aggressive behavior had it come from a woman, and that Hillary’s debate style would be much more likable if she were a man.

[RELATED: Calling Hillary 'Mrs. Clinton' is sexist, say Georgetown Dems]

The professors and audiences of the mock debates, however, were “unsettled” to discover that the opposite was true—Trump became more likable as a woman and Hillary became even less likable as a man.

To isolate the gender variable to the greatest extent possible, the actors portraying the candidates sought to emulate their debate performances exactly, down to gestures and intonation, though it was necessary in some instances to tweak the language to reflect the gender reversal.

“We both thought that the inversion would confirm our liberal assumption—that no one would have accepted Trump’s behavior from a woman, and that the male Clinton would seem like the much stronger candidate,” Salvatore explained. “But we kept checking in with each other and realized that this disruption—a major change in perception—was happening. I had an unsettled feeling the whole way through.”

Salvatore also related that several audience members felt they finally understood how Trump won after watching the gender-swapped debate.

“The simplicity of Trump’s message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman,” Salvatore explained, sharing the reaction of a female audience member who said the male version of Clinton was “very punchable” because he smiled too much.

“When she [the female version of Trump] was attacking, I had so much respect for her and her level of confidence,” a different female audience member told The New York Times.

“At the time of the debates, I dismissed him as awkward, unskilled, untrained,” Salvatore concluded in an email to the Times. “Now I’m not so sure that I would do that.”
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Post by Erno86 on Mar 9th, 2017, 2:34pm

The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Dr. "Strange" Ben Carson --- besides being a pathological liar --- is also a nutcase. Trump must like similar company...




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One of my favorite movies....Three thumbs up!!


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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 9th, 2017, 4:04pm

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/09/house-committee-russian-hacking-includes-only-dnc-hired-tech-experts/
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"Steve Bannon is Shockingly Racist"


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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 9th, 2017, 4:09pm

https://www.crowdstrike.com/board-of-directors/

Here's who owns Crowdstike!
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Post by Erno86 on Mar 9th, 2017, 4:29pm

"Connecting Trump's Dots to Russia"

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/opinion/connecting-trumps-dots-to-Russia.html?action=click&contentCollection=undefined®ion=Footer&module=WhatsNext
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Post by Sys_Config on Mar 9th, 2017, 5:58pm

on Mar 9th, 2017, 12:00pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
You're using the Daily show as FACT?? you really are a 'special' person!

Using probably the most Supreme fake news on the air to justify your opinion? Damn, that's so smart and enlightened!

Do you ever use any other news source but those owned by Soros??

I bet you use Toure on CNN as the absolute expert on race relations!

Lone


He's off topic on his own topic of mental illness which actually Michael Savage coined in reference to liberal progressives..

Its clear with collapse of the Dems they have latched on to the Russian meme supplied to them by the MIC

how bad is the mentall illness?
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So you are trying to cure people in a padded cell from an incurable disease. Shock treatment and lobotomies are of limited efficacy. Best to leave them alone and bring cigarettes and snacks during visiting hours and they end their last days ranting.



It's okay nurse I was just leaving..bye Erno..I'll bring you some Pringles chips next time.grin
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 9th, 2017, 6:23pm

on Mar 9th, 2017, 5:58pm, Sys_Config wrote:
He's off topic on his own topic of mental illness which actually Michael Savage coined in reference to liberal progressives..

Its clear with collapse of the Dems they have latched on to the Russian meme supplied to them by the MIC

how bad is the mentall illness?
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So you are trying to cure people in a padded cell from an incurable disease. Shock treatment and lobotomies are of limited efficacy. Best to leave them alone and bring cigarettes and snacks during visiting hours and they end their last days ranting.



It's okay nurse I was just leaving..bye Erno..I'll bring you some Pringles chips next time.grin


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xxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxx


"Michael Flynn Registered As Foreign Agent For Turkey" --- 'SHOCKING'




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Post by Sys_Config on Mar 10th, 2017, 8:20pm

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/gateway-pundit-reporter-accosted-harassed-screamed-white-house-press-room-nazi-white-supremacist/
Decker has obviously NEVER read The Gateway Pundit or he would know better.
Lucian Wintrich is a gay conservative.
His grandad also fled the holocaust

No she didnt..yes she did..
http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/samantha-bee-apologizes-to-cancer-patient-for-nazi-joke.html

Time to order more wigs for cancer patients lest they be attacked by the mentally ill pc crowd
don't you just hate labels Erno? wink
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 10th, 2017, 9:39pm

Hey Erno, I suggest you check out 'Project UMBRAGE'!

Apparently the CIA has the ability to mimic Russian hackers. In other words, the CIA has the ability to hack anybody they want and make it look like the Russians are doing it.

I do hope you recover soon from your TDJ (Trump Derangement Syndrome)

Lone

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Post by Sys_Config on Mar 10th, 2017, 10:44pm

on Mar 10th, 2017, 9:39pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Hey Erno, I suggest you check out 'Project UMBRAGE'!

Apparently the CIA has the ability to mimic Russian hackers. In other words, the CIA has the ability to hack anybody they want and make it look like the Russians are doing it.

I do hope you recover soon from your TDJ (Trump Derangement Syndrome)

Lone



They can frame anyone with a crime..if they so choose..that is some scary stuff. Thats why they are backtracking because imo..thats what just happened to Trump..and the Ruskis..

Erno I promise not to play anymore Russian anthems..if that triggers you..
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McCain to Trump: "Provide evidence of wiretap claim or retract it."


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Post by Erno86 on Mar 12th, 2017, 1:03pm

on Mar 10th, 2017, 9:39pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Hey Erno, I suggest you check out 'Project UMBRAGE'!

Apparently the CIA has the ability to mimic Russian hackers. In other words, the CIA has the ability to hack anybody they want and make it look like the Russians are doing it.

I do hope you recover soon from your TDJ (Trump Derangement Syndrome)

Lone


"CNN Brian Stelter Attacks Sean Hannity from Fox News"


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xxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxx

Cummings: "There 'very well be maybe' connection between Bharara firing and investigations into Trump."

http://www.thehill.com/homenews/house/323578-cummings-there-very-well-may-be-connection-between-bharara-firing-and
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 12th, 2017, 6:28pm

Rumor has it that he was going to be sanctioned for screwing the pooch on two very large cases and covering it up!

It pays to have two NYC Detectives as friends!

Lone
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 14th, 2017, 12:11pm

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14394/bombshell-fox-news-sources-say-obama-used-brits-john-nolte#

BOMBSHELL: Fox News Sources Say Obama Used Brits To Spy On Donald Trump

While the American Intelligence Community (IC) plays "not us" when it comes to claims that the Obama Administration spied on President Trump (when he was both a candidate and President-elect), Fox News has learned that in order to avoid a paper trail, fingerprints, and pesky little details like the Bill of Rights, President Obama circumvented all of that by requesting the British spy on Trump.

Appearing on Fox News this morning, Judge Andrew Napolitano dropped this bombshell that could finally help to explain a whole lot, including a January 19 New York Times report about the Obama White House looking at intelligence information based on "wiretaps" (their word, not mine).

Here’s part of the Napolitano transcript:

Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice… He used GCHQ. What the heck is GCHQ? That's the initials for the British spying agency. They have 24/7 access to the NSA database. So by simply having two people go to them and say 'President Obama needs transcripts of conversations involving Candidate Trump, conversations involving President-Elect Trump,' [Obama's] able to get it, and there's no American fingerprints on this.

Whoa.

During an appearance last night on Fox News, Napolitano went into greater detail to explain exactly how this would work. Basically, our NSA has access to pretty much every phone call. This is how they collect all that metadata. If they wish, however, they "can actually download into digital form the conversations and the texts" and turn it into transcripts. Through our NSA, the British have 24/7 access to that same capability.

In other words, according to these sources, Obama tapped into a wiretap that is already in place on pretty much all of us, including Trump and his team. It is only accessed, though, when there is a specific request from someone like the President of the United States. Napolitano also explained that the law allows the President to legally do this to anyone he wants for any reason he wants. No warrant required.

I should add that as of last night, all Napolitano reported was that Obama had this capability. He did not say his sources claimed the Obama Administration had actually done this.

As of this morning, however, three sources say this is exactly what Obama did, which would help to finally make sense of this New York Times report from January 19 – a report that clearly stated the Obama White House was receiving reports from Trump wiretaps" [emphasis added with the print headline]

Wiretapped Data Used In Inquiry of Trump Aides …

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

Remember, prior to Trump breaking this story wide open with his Tweets about the Obama Administration spying on him, in order to make this phony RussiaGate story appear serious, our corrupt mainstream media was eager to make it look as though the Obama Administration was investigating Trump, including, as you can see in The New York Times story above, through wiretaps.

Obviously, now that this approach has backfired on their Precious Barry, the media is playing Nevermind.

Before the day is out, in order to muddy the waters and protect Barry, our media will vehemently attack the credibility of Fox News and their sources – and the very same media doing this will be the one that has been using confidential sources for six months to spread all this Fake News regarding the Nothingburger that is RussiaGate.

Follow John Nolte on Twitter @NolteNC. Follow his Facebook
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 14th, 2017, 1:15pm

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/03/14/former-dem-rep-comes-to-trumps-defense-on-wiretap-claim-obama-admin-did-the-same-thing-to-me-n2298681?utm_content=bufferc54d9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Former Dem Rep Comes to Trump's Defense on Wiretap Claim: Obama Admin Did The Same Thing to Me

Leah Barkoukis |Posted: Mar 14, 2017 11:00 AM

Former Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich said Monday that people shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss President Trump’s claim of being wiretapped. The reason? It happened to him.

In an interview with Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly on Monday, Kucinich recalled how a phone call from a foreign leader to his congressional office was tapped in 2011—a fact he learned of after leaving office.

"I had a resolution in the House to try to stop the war and [Saif el-Islam Qaddafi, son of Libya’s former President Moammar Qaddafi and a high-ranking official in the country’s government] called me to talk about it," Kucinich said.

"I cleared the discussion with House attorneys and a member of Congress is not supposed to be listened to by the executive branch," he added. "The Director of National Intelligence under President Obama was tracking my resolution and I didn't find out until two years after I had left Congress."

Kucinich had learned of the secret recording in 2015 when reporters from the Washington Times approached him about it, wanting confirmation that it was indeed him on the tape.

“At the time I was leading efforts in the House to challenge the Obama administration’s war against Libya. The Qaddafi government reached out to me because its appeals to the White House and the State Department to forestall the escalating aggression had gone unanswered,” Kucinich wrote in column on FoxNews.com.

He also said he doesn’t know if his call with the Libyan official was the only one recorded during his time in office.

“I have never gone public with this story, but when I saw the derision with which President Trump’s claims were greeted—and notwithstanding our political differences—I felt I should share my experience,” he wrote.

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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 14th, 2017, 1:35pm

https://www.hermancain.com/napolitano-3-sources-confirm-obama-used

Napolitano: 3 Sources confirm Obama used British agency to spy on Trump

Whoa. Huge, if true.

Until we can put a name with the sources, or have something a little more concrete, I'd take all of this with a grain of salt, but... If what Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning on "Fox & Friends" is true, the Trump wiretapping story is about to get a whole lot more interesting.

According to Napolitano, Fox has three intelligence sources who claim that Obama bypassed the U.S. intel chain of command, contacted the British spy agency GCHQ, and obtained transcripts and records of then candidate Donald Trump's phone calls. In doing so, he allegedly avoided the evidentiary paper trail that would have resulted had he used sources at the DOJ, CIA, or NSA.

"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What the heck is GCHQ? That's the initials for the British spying agency. They have 24/7 access to the NSA database. So by simply having two people go to them and say 'President Obama needs transcripts of conversations involving Candidate Trump, conversations involving President-Elect Trump,' [Obama's] able to get it, and there's no American fingerprints on this."

Like I said, anonymous sources should always be treated skeptically, but Napolitano is making a massive accusation here. If he's not 100% sure of his sources, I doubt he'd be so brazen
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Post by Erno86 on Mar 15th, 2017, 3:13pm

on Mar 14th, 2017, 1:35pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
https://www.hermancain.com/napolitano-3-sources-confirm-obama-used

Napolitano: 3 Sources confirm Obama used British agency to spy on Trump

Whoa. Huge, if true.

Until we can put a name with the sources, or have something a little more concrete, I'd take all of this with a grain of salt, but... If what Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning on "Fox & Friends" is true, the Trump wiretapping story is about to get a whole lot more interesting.

According to Napolitano, Fox has three intelligence sources who claim that Obama bypassed the U.S. intel chain of command, contacted the British spy agency GCHQ, and obtained transcripts and records of then candidate Donald Trump's phone calls. In doing so, he allegedly avoided the evidentiary paper trail that would have resulted had he used sources at the DOJ, CIA, or NSA.

"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What the heck is GCHQ? That's the initials for the British spying agency. They have 24/7 access to the NSA database. So by simply having two people go to them and say 'President Obama needs transcripts of conversations involving Candidate Trump, conversations involving President-Elect Trump,' [Obama's] able to get it, and there's no American fingerprints on this."

Like I said, anonymous sources should always be treated skeptically, but Napolitano is making a massive accusation here. If he's not 100% sure of his sources, I doubt he'd be so brazen


Sounds far-fetched too me. Frankly, I don't put much faith, nor in the belief of the reliability or truthfulness of Fox News; since they are led by that right wing radical goon: Rubert Murdock.

"Murdock and Trump - An alliance of mutual interests"
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"Sounds far-fetched too me. Frankly, I don't put much faith, nor in the belief of the reliability or truthfulness of Fox News..."


Hey, Erno, let me get this straight; you don't trust right-leaning Fox News, but you apparently trust left-leaning MessyNBC?

huh


MSNBC Controversies


Liberal bias

In November 2007, a New York Times article stated that MSNBC's prime-time lineup is tilting more to the left. Commentators have since described MSNBC as having a bias towards left-leaning politics and the Democratic Party. Washington Post media analyst Howard Kurtz has stated that the channel's evening lineup "has clearly gravitated to the left in recent years and often seems to regard itself as the antithesis of Fox News" (in reference to a number of journalists and political pundits considering Fox News to have a strong conservative bias). In 2011, Politico referred to MSNBC as "left-leaning," and Steve Kornacki of Salon.com noted that "MSNBC’s prime-time lineup is now awash in progressive politics." In reference to changes in the channel's evening programming, senior vice president of NBC News Phil Griffin has said that "it happened naturally. There isn't a dogma we're putting through. There is a 'Go for it.'"

In the February 2008 issue of Men's Journal magazine, a MSNBC interviewee quoted a senior executive who said that liberal commentator Keith Olbermann "runs MSNBC" and that "because of his success, he's in charge" of the channel. In 2007, The New York Times called Olbermann MSNBC's "most recognizable face". In September 2008, MSNBC stated that they were removing both Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as live political event anchors, and replacing them with David Gregory, due to growing criticism that they were "too opinionated to be seen as neutral in the heat of the presidential campaign." Olbermann continued to broadcast Countdown both before and after the presidential and vice presidential debates, and both Matthews and Olbermann joined Gregory on the channel's election night coverage.

On November 13, 2009, in the days leading up to the release of 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's book Going Rogue, MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan used photoshopped pictures of Palin on the channel's Morning Meeting program. Ratigan apologized a few days later.

In October 2010, MSNBC began using the tagline "Lean Forward", which was described by some media outlets, including msnbc.com, as the network embracing its politically progressive identity.

In January 2012, MSNBC used Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, and other network commentators during coverage of the 2012 Iowa Republican caucuses, a move seen by Nando Di Fino of the Mediaite website as "giving up on the straight news coverage, and instead [appearing] to be aiming to create some controversy."

In November 2012, MSNBC was called "The Anti-Fox" by The New York Times in a feature article that quoted former President Bill Clinton as saying, "Boy, it really has become our [liberal] version of Fox." The article, citing data by the Nielsen TV ratings service, noted that while Fox News pulled in a larger overall viewership than MSNBC, the two networks were separated by only around 300,000 viewers among the 25–54 age bracket most attractive to advertisers.

In the Pew Research Center's 2013 "State of the News Media" report, MSNBC was found to be the most opinionated news network, with 85% of the content being commentary or opinions, and only 15% of the content being factual reporting. The report also stated that MSNBC spends the least amount of money producing its news, only $240 million in 2012, compared to CNN, which spent $682 million, and Fox, which spent $820 million.

Favoritism towards Barack Obama

Some Democratic Party supporters, most notably former Democratic Governor of Pennsylvania Ed Rendell and Clinton advisor Lanny Davis, criticized MSNBC during and after the 2008 Democratic primaries, as covering Barack Obama more favorably than Hillary Clinton. Rendell said, "MSNBC was the official network of the Obama campaign," and called their coverage "absolutely embarrassing". Rendell later became an on-air contributor to MSNBC.

A study done by the Project for Excellence in Journalism showed that MSNBC had less negative coverage of Obama (14% of stories vs. 29% in the press overall) and more negative stories about Republican presidential candidate John McCain (73% of its coverage vs. 57% in the press overall). MSNBC's on-air slogan during the week of the 2008 presidential election, "The Power of Change", was criticized as being overtly similar to Obama's campaign slogan of "Hope and Change". Following the 2008 presidential election, conservative talk show host John Ziegler worked on a documentary titled Media Malpractice.... How Obama Got Elected, which was very critical of the media, especially MSNBC's role, in the 2008 presidential election. While promoting the documentary, he engaged in an on-air dispute with MSNBC news anchor Contessa Brewer, on how the media, especially MSNBC, had portrayed Sarah Palin.

During MSNBC's coverage of the Potomac primary, MSNBC's Chris Matthews said, "I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often." This led Fox News to assert that both he and MSNBC were biased toward Obama.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC


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xxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxx

"Mike Flynn worked for several Russian companies, was paid more than $50,000 dollars...documents show."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-worked-for-other-russian-companies-besides-rt-documents-1489683618
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Post by MrGort on Mar 16th, 2017, 1:03pm

on Mar 16th, 2017, 12:55pm, Erno86 wrote:
xxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxx

"Mike Flynn worked for several Russian companies, was paid more than $50,000 dollars...documents show."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-worked-for-other-russian-companies-besides-rt-documents-1489683618



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Post by Erno86 on Mar 16th, 2017, 1:16pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxx

"Trump's Revised Travel Ban is Blocked by Two Federal Judges

Judges in Hawaii and Maryland say president was likely engaged in unconstitutional religious discrimination."


http://www.wsj.com/articles/hawaii-judge-blocks-trumps-revised-travel-ban-1489618057?mod=trending_now_3
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Post by Cliff-67 on Mar 16th, 2017, 1:26pm

on Mar 16th, 2017, 1:16pm, Erno86 wrote:
xxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxx

"Trump's Revised Travel Ban is Blocked by Two Federal Judges

Judges in Hawaii and Maryland say president was likely engaged in unconstitutional religious discrimination."


http://www.wsj.com/articles/hawaii-judge-blocks-trumps-revised-travel-ban-1489618057?mod=trending_now_3


It's about the money $$$

They're selling us out (or trying to)..... sad


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Post by Cliff-67 on Mar 16th, 2017, 1:30pm


And their agenda,,,,,no matter the cost.....

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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 16th, 2017, 2:14pm

From the same hypocrites who attack the homeless and if they don;t have an Hawaii identity card gets shipped back to the mainland US!


HYPOCRITES: Hawaii to Ignore ‘Travel Ban.’ But They weren't Taking Refugees Anyway…


http://louderwithcrowder.com/hypocrites-hawaii-to-ignore-travel-ban-but-they-werent-taking-refugees-anyway/



If you want to sip some of the best coffee in the world, go to Kona, Hawaii. If you want to dwell in one of the most left-leaning, most hypocritical states in the USA, also visit Hawaii. Two birds, one lava rock. Beware the falling coconuts and abundant stupidity. One thing you won’t have to beware of are refugees. Read on.

This week, Hawaii virtue signaled to the world that, yes, they too would oppose Trump’s so-called “travel ban” (which simply vets people from certain terroristy countries from entering the USA). How woke, lofty and noble of Hawaii. Except… they weren’t taking refugees to begin with.

Aaaaawwwwkwaaaaaard!

In Fiscal year 2015, Hawaii accepted seven refugees as per records from the Office of Refugee Resettlement. The recorded refugee acceptance for that fiscal year, only District of Columbia accepted fewer refugees with five for the same period.
The seven refugees the state accepted, one came from Ukraine, one from China and five from Burma. Notably, none of the refugees came from any terror-torn countries in the Middle East.
Which means what Hawaii is doing now is what leftists world-wide do every day: change and enforce the rules for everyone but themselves. Shorter: embody douchbaggery. Shorter still: asshats.

With the resettlement record, the State still leads the legal challenge against the President’s new executive order on immigration. The State of Hawaii will certainly not have any major role when it comes to refugee relocation, the State however wants to play a major role in molding the immigration and resettlement policy through the legal process.

Hawaii wants everyone to know how much they care… without taking any of the responsibility themselves. Sounds like textbook liberalism. Instead, they’ll lend their virtue signaling and legal pomposity to the rest of the USA, who they’ll bully encourage to take refugees, while they keep Hawaii refugee and migrant free. Especially migrants from the Middle East. But wait, there’s another reason the residents of Hawaii can virtue signal all the sunny day, and ensure they keep their state elitist:

Hawaii is not an attractive place for refugees, first off the location makes extensive resettlement logistically impractical. The state is also known for their high cost of living, which will potentially be a big burden for migrant families to begin with.
And there you go. Hawaii, because of its geographical location and expensive cost of living (Mark Zuckerberg has a lovely pad there), is inoculated from taking in refugees at all. See also Beverly Hills, Washington D.C., and any other affluent area of the USA from which the majority of virtue signaling liberal butt plugs espouse their lofty ethics. Knowing their safe from actually experiencing the ramifications of those same policies they’re endorsing. It’s leftism 101. The rules are for everyone else (especially the middle class and poor, whom they claim to champion every two years come election time), but not them. Heroes, all.

Incidentally, since Hawaii is surrounded by the PACIFIC OCEAN, they also have an easier time keeping illegal immigrants off their precious islands. It’s no wonder their understanding of the plight the lower 48 states equals that of a single macadamia nut.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 16th, 2017, 2:19pm

Looks like EX-pres Obigmouth spent some time with the Judge in the banning of the latest "CONSTITUTIONALLY LEGAL " travel ban!

Lone


http://ijr.com/2017/03/826319-ex-president-obama-made-surprise-visit-hawaii-just-days-judge-issued-travel-ban-ruling/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=ods&utm_term=ijamerica&utm_content=politics
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Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 16th, 2017, 6:30pm

It seems the Judge who thinks he is smarter than the Founding Father just happens to be a former classmate of the lieing clown Obigmouth! Isn't it interesting that they were together just after President Trump delivered his executive order!

Lone

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/03/16/robert-barnes-trump-could-go-full-andrew-jackson-ignore-interference-activist-judges/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 16th, 2017, 6:42pm

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/leftist-judge-produces-43-page-decision-within-2-hours-hearing-states-request-block-trump-refugee-ban/


Leftist Judge Produces 43 Page Decision Within 2 HOURS of Hearing State’s Request for Block on Trump Refugee Ban


Jim Hoft Mar 16th, 2017 11:31 am 359 Comments

THIS WAS ALL PLANNED WAY IN ADVANCE FOLKS—

From a Previous Post Today….

SHADOW GOVERNMENT UPDATE–
Barack Obama paid a surprise visit to Honolulu, Hawaii on Monday just days before US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, who presides in Honolulu, ruled against President Trump’s temporary refugee ban from terror states.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 17th, 2017, 09:37am

Lone,

..It seems the Judge who thinks he is smarter than the Founding Father ..

But Trump has actually said on numerous occasions that he knows more than the judges etc about law. And that he knows more than many experts on many subjects.

So, if Trump says something is true or is not true then it has to be so, hasn't it ?

HAL
INT21


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 17th, 2017, 11:34am

No, he said he knew more than the General ONCE!
Nice try with the semantics though!
Lone
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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Mar 17th, 2017, 4:08pm

"Stay tuned..." shocked



Laptop containing Trump Tower plans and Clinton email probe stolen from Secret Service agent's car

Dan Mangan
March 17, 2017

A brazen thief in New York City stole a Secret Service agent's laptop computer that reportedly contained Trump Tower's floor plans, information about the Hillary Clinton email probe and national security information.

The theft from the agent's car in Brooklyn occurred Thursday morning, according to the New York Daily News, which cited police sources in a story published Friday.

The car was parked in the driveway of the agent's home. In addition to the laptop, other reportedly "sensitive" documents and an access keycard belonging to the agent were stolen, the Daily News reported.

The agent told investigators the information on the computer could compromise national security.

"It's a very big deal," a police source told the newspaper, which noted that the Secret Service — whose responsibilities include protecting President Donald Trump and his family — is heavily involved in the investigation.

"There's data on there that's highly sensitive," the source said. "They're scrambling like mad."

The Daily News story said that information on the stolen laptop includes evacuation protocols and floor plans of Trump Tower, which contains the Manhattan residence of President Donald Trump, and the place where his wife Melania and their son Barron still live full-time.

But the Secret Service, in a statement confirming the laptop theft that was issued after the News posted its story, said agency-issued "laptops contain multiple levels of security including full disk encryption and are not permitted to contain classified information."

The case came to light a day after it was revealed that the Secret Service is investigating allegations that two of its agents assigned to protect one of Trump's grandsons took selfie photographs with the eight-year-old boy as he slept.

And on March 10, a 26-year-old man was arrested after jumping the fence at the White House and getting close to the White House itself, while carrying two cans of Mace and a letter to Trump he had written.

CNN reported on Friday that the man, Jonathan Tran, was on the White House grounds for 15 minutes, and possibly more, before he was spotted and detained by a Secret Service office.

The Daily News reported that the laptop thief, who may have gotten to the agent's home in an Uber, was seen on surveillance video walking away from the agent's car with a backpack.

Items including coins and a bag carrying a Secret Service insignia were later recovered. But the laptop remains missing.

When contacted by CNBC, the New York Police Department referred questions about the case to the Secret Service.

"The U.S. Secret Service can confirm that an employee was the victim of a criminal act in which our Agency issued laptop computer was stolen," the agency said, before noting the multiple levels of security and encryption in its laptops, as well as their lack of classified information.

"An investigation is ongoing and the Secret Service is withholding additional comment until the facts are gathered," the agency said. "The Secret Service requests anyone with information regarding this crime to please contact the New York Police Department and the U.S. Secret Service New York Field Office."

The agency is also probing claims that last week two agents assigned to protect Donald Trump III began taking selfies with him as they drove him from Westchester County, New York, to Manhattan.

The president's grandson "woke up and, as the source framed it, 'freaked out,' " according to a story about the probe published Thursday by Mother Jones.com.

"Upon return to Manhattan, he shared the experience with his mother, Vanessa Trump, who relayed her concerns to his father, Donald Trump Jr.," Mother Jones' story said. "The issue was quickly escalated to top management of the Secret Service. The two agents were ordered to report to the Secret Service Office of Professional Responsibility in Washington, DC."

A source told Mother Jones that the agents do not face a criminal probe, but instead questions about whether they abandoned their post while protecting the boy.

A Secret Service spokesman emailed a statement to CNBC on Friday when asked about that probe.

"The U.S. Secret Service is aware of a matter involving two of our agents and one of our protectees," the agency said. "Our Office of Professional Responsibility will always thoroughly review a matter to determine the facts and to ensure proper, long-standing protocols and procedures are followed."

"The Secret Service would caution individuals to not jump to conclusions that may grossly mischaracterize the matter," the statement said. "Secret Service Agents around the country are dedicated to protecting those under their charge."

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/17/laptop-containing-trump-tower-plans-stolen.html


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 17th, 2017, 4:32pm

I notice that in the press meeting with Angela Merkel he dug himself in a bit deeper.

The off the cuff remark to Merkel when she was asked about being taped.
'
'That's something we have in common' or something similar seems to indicate that he isn't going to let it go.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 18th, 2017, 08:21am

President Trump reacted negatively during the meeting, by refusing to shake Prime Minister Merkel's hand; when she verbally offered to shake hands with him.

My speculation is this: The overall plan for the Trump/Bannon team for Europe --- Weaken NATO to a point where the whole of Eastern Europe is venerable to a military invasion by Putin's Russian forces; such as acts of espionage --- Like Russian political computer hackings, Russian military buildup, bribery, extortion, blackmail, political assassinations of political rivals and a present overall blessing of Putin by Trump and his henchmen.

Do I call Trump and his henchmen...traitors to the United States of America?? Yes I do ---And they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, if found guilty!!
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 18th, 2017, 12:10pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Is Trump's medication {finasteride} for hair loss safe for individuals holding political office?

"Psychological changes such as depression and suicidality that has been associated with finasteride use."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/healthtrending/potential-side-effects-of-the-drug-trump-reportedly-takes-for-hair-loss/ar-AAmB90S

"Neuroactive Steroid Levels are Modified in Cerebrospinal Fluid and Plasma of Post-Finasteride Patients Showing Persistent Sexual Side Effects and Anxious/Depressive Symptomatology."

http://www.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12269/abstract
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 18th, 2017, 12:21pm

Next it will be the dye in his suits are causing mental defects in his being! Watching the left try every obnoxious,ridiculous, attempt to do something, anything to denigrate the decision by the American people to elect Trump as their President is something to watch!

Glad I bought a years supply of popcorn! Watching the Progressives lose their minds in a different way ever single day is real entertainment!

Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 18th, 2017, 12:33pm

"Awkward: Baby Trump WILL NOT Shake German Chancellor's Hand"




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 18th, 2017, 12:56pm

on Mar 18th, 2017, 12:21pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Next it will be the dye in his suits are causing mental defects in his being! Watching the left try every obnoxious,ridiculous, attempt to do something, anything to denigrate the decision by the American people to elect Trump as their President is something to watch!

Glad I bought a years supply of popcorn! Watching the Progressives lose their minds in a different way ever single day is real entertainment!

Lone



Nevertheless...it is a fact, that President Trump is using/or has used finasteride, which we have scientifically proven evidence that: "Psychological changes such as depression and suicidality that has been associated with finasteride use."
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 19th, 2017, 1:04pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


"German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen on Sunday Rejected United States President Trump's Claim that Germany Owes NATO and the United States 'vast sums' of Money For Defense"

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-rejects-trumps-claim-it-owes-nato-and-us-vast-sums-for-defense/ar-BBymmNy?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 19th, 2017, 1:25pm

One of my favorite movies....



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Post by Erno86 on Mar 19th, 2017, 3:07pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Mar 20th, 2017, 06:02am

Friends in safe places - snow flakesgrin

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/17/friends-safe-spaces-music-video-garth-brooks-song-chad-prather-mudflap-mcgrew
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Mar 20th, 2017, 10:11am

Score one for Gort!! grin
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Post by Erno86 on Mar 20th, 2017, 2:52pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 20th, 2017, 3:23pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Director Comey Confirmed the FBI is Conducting an Investigation Into Whether Trump Campaign 'Coordinated' With the Russian Effort to Influence the U.S. Election"

"Comey Debunked the Trump Wiretapping Allegation"


"Adm. Rogers, the NSA Director, Dismissed the Notion That Britain's GCHQ Intelligence Service Spied On Trump at Obama's Direction"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-s-comey-testifies-house-intell-commitee-russia-n735696



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 20th, 2017, 3:45pm

Full: James Comey testifies {3/20/17}








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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Mar 21st, 2017, 09:58am

A method in his madness??


US Marines Move into Syria with Howitzers

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/03/08/us-marines-move-syria-howitzers.html



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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by cosmicjbw on Mar 21st, 2017, 12:27pm

It is funny to me that some think Trump has gone 'too far' when we voted him in to go much further than he has. He is doing the best he can though. Don't worry, by 8 years from now, things will have changed alot. I kinda look forward to the upcoming war in Asia so we can airlift alot of these Generation 0's and drop them into some rice patty fields to thin the herd of the delusional. I think then we will have sanity restored smiley
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Post by Erno86 on Mar 21st, 2017, 3:51pm






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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 21st, 2017, 4:46pm

Erno, you don't really believe all this muckraking nonsense do you? !!

You can't see what they are doing here? It is almost a parody in itself.. I mean as juvenile and hairsplitting as they are in how they are framing everything..

It is like the fake news sites which were at one time trusted more or less, have turned a hard left and they are on an agenda.

Here's the thing.. If Trump was walking across the water, the news spin would be "Trump can't swim".

Honestly.. I think you should have keener insight than to be swept up in this kind of defamation.




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 21st, 2017, 8:19pm

http://consjournal.com/30-democrats-discovered-meeting-with-russian-diplomats-on-behalf-of-obama-liberals-totally-silent/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 22nd, 2017, 4:18pm





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Mar 22nd, 2017, 4:19pm

Snowflake Schiff says hearsay but yet is completely eager and oblivious to pronounce Russian collusion, again heresay but so hypocritical.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/22/trump-team-communications-captured-by-intelligence-community-surveillance-nunes-says.html

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 22nd, 2017, 4:22pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 22nd, 2017, 4:42pm

http://louderwithcrowder.com/oh-snap-obama-admin-collected-surveillance-on-incoming-trump-team/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Mar 23rd, 2017, 11:03am

This one's for Erno.....



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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 23rd, 2017, 3:33pm

Swamp...that's very funny. Here's wishing it might come true. smiley



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Mar 25th, 2017, 12:07pm

Breaking Fake News!



Trump Sells California

WASHINGTON (AP) - at 12:15 pm today President Trump disclosed that he has reached an agreement with Enrique Pena Nieto, President of Mexico, which provides for the sale of substantially all of the State of California to the country of Mexico. President Trump noted that this deal, which he claims "is his largest real estate deal ever" is a win-win for everyone involved. Proceeds from the sale will be used to 1) pay for the Wall, which will now include the eastern border of California, 2) fund all the infrastructure spending in the remaining 49 states and 3) pay to relocate the 67 Republicans that currently reside in California.

The U.S. President noted that Federal money saved from the reduction of California citizens on US social programs will allow those social programs to be cash positive in less than 3 years. Mexican President Nieto announced that he has already introduced a bill to the Mexican Congress asking to change his country's name to MexiCal.

The exact northern border of the new MexiCal is still under negotiation. Apparently the White House is concerned that certain members of congress may be unwilling to give up California's wine country and are suggesting that the northern border align with the north end of the Golden Gate Bridge.

Other benefits cited by President Trump include California acting as a sanctuary state within MexiCal. He noted that there is much more room for the refugees, who will find the climate in the State of California more desirable than the climate in US cities such as NYC, Detroit or Chicago.

Elimination of the existing border between Mexico and California will allow drugs to flow more freely between Mexico. Drug tunnel diggers at the Tijuana boarder will now be able to use their skills to dig tunnels under Los Angeles to help ease congestion in that city and allow rioters to move about the city's universities more freely.

It has been reported that the space in the Capitol and other DC buildings vacated by representatives of California will be turned into "time-out rooms" for the press, as well as safe places for anyone offended by anything at any time.

Papers released along with Trump's statement reveal that a newly incorporated real estate company, pmurT, Inc., which was intimately involved in the deal discussions, will receive a broker fee of $25 billion on the California sale. An anonymous pmurT, Inc. representative has revealed that the profits on the deal are HUGE and will be used to purchase, develop and convert all abandoned US Federal facilities in California into special high end retreats and resorts which will assist California residents with managing their euphoria and transition into the state they have so long desired to be.

California residents will be issued special blue cards to cross the border into the US so they can be tracked and at any point in time not exceed predetermined levels. Residents that remain in California after the effective date of the sale will not be allowed to seek refugee status in the US in the future.

Mexican President Nieto stated he is thrilled with the deal and is looking forward to declaring Spanish the national language for his newly acquired territory and opening SSL (Spanish as a second language) schools throughout California. He also noted that funding for the transaction would come from the Mexican drug cartels, which have agreed to provide low interest loans to Mexico so long as they are allowed to move their cash out of Switzerland and the Cayman Islands back into Mexico tax free. He also said he considers the fact that a Disney park will now be located within his country an added bonus.

White House representatives refused to confirm rumors that a similar deal was in the works for the sale of Northeastern states from NY through Maine, to Canada.

President Trump wrapped up his statement stating, "this deal is HUGE and will help make America great again, even though it will be a little smaller."


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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by cosmicjbw on Mar 25th, 2017, 8:48pm

Has anyone considered that Trump is an extremely intelligent person?

Look what he did to the Clintons during the campaign... who else would have, or could have completely humiliated both Bill and Hillary like Trump did? Alot of people have ended up dead over the decades from being around or crossing the Clintons. Most people are scared of them, especially the democrat party. Trump tore through them like a steaming freight train, and defeated them.

That alone was worth the presidential campaign.

During the time Trump got elected up to inauguration day, Trump observed all the players stumbling over themselves to position for a piece of the new power. He knows his friends and he knows his enemies. He understands who Soros, Gates and Buffet give money to [dems and reps]. Does anyone really believe Trump is naive enough to trust Paul Ryan? Of course not. Trump understands Ryan's games and others so he has set up Ryan to fall... He merely trusted Ryan to be Ryan, and it worked! Ryan wanted to lead the charge on his obamacare 2, so Trump let him, now Ryan is hit hard because of its failure. One more traitor removed [or on his way out, or diminished].

What I have observed of Trump is that he has these people on a string, and on a whim, he can make one tweet and stir them in the direction he wants. He has used this for many reasons but one of the most effective tools he has is the override of emotions and lack of logical thinking by his enemies. It causes alot of them to think he is hostile or unpredictable, so they come up with the most outlandish stories to match the way he has made them feel, but it is not true, and then he will do something to show that the hype is not true, or that the report turned out to be completely false altogether. This makes the dems look so out of touch, and I really don't think the dems understand the loss of credibility they have now with the American people. To me, it simply reveals their true colors [red with a yellow sickle and hammer].

People say Trump is unstable mentally? Are you kidding me? undecided
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Mar 25th, 2017, 9:49pm

You don't get as wealthy as he is if you are an unstable idiot.....

Doesn't mean I agree with everything he says and does, but he is not an idiot.

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by ZETAR on Mar 25th, 2017, 10:51pm

SWAMP,

"You don't get as wealthy as he is if you are an unstable idiot.....

Doesn't mean I agree with everything he says and does, but he is not an idiot."


WELL SAID...

@ COSMIC,

"Trump observed all the players stumbling over themselves to position for a piece of the new power. He knows his friends and he knows his enemies. He understands who Soros, Gates and Buffet give money to [dems and reps]. Does anyone really believe Trump is naive enough to trust Paul Ryan? Of course not. Trump understands Ryan's games and others so he has set up Ryan to fall... He merely trusted Ryan to be Ryan, and it worked! Ryan wanted to lead the charge on his obamacare 2, so Trump let him, now Ryan is hit hard because of its failure. One more traitor removed [or on his way out, or diminished].

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SHALOM...Z

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 26th, 2017, 1:35pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 26th, 2017, 1:44pm

Trump and Ryan are trying to blame having to pull the vote on the Democrats not supporting them.

Fact is that there were enough Republicans to get ir through if they would have all voted for it.

The bill threw too many people under the bus. It would have lead to many Republicans being ousted from their own constituencies. And they knew that.

All there is to it.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 26th, 2017, 1:53pm

Swamp,

It seems California is fast becoming disenchanted with Trump.

His new deregulation's will play havoc with Californian emissions controls on cars and industry.

Trump is quite happy to bring back pollution in the form of coal fired power stations etc as long as some people make a buck or two out of it.

Any jobs that have been lost in the quest for better air should be considered to have been lost in the search for the greater good of everyone.

But how did Dylan put it...

....money doesn't talk,it swears
obscenity, who really cares ?
propaganda ? all is phoney....

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 26th, 2017, 2:08pm

Cosmicjbw,

..Has anyone considered that Trump is an extremely intelligent person?..

Now that really is like asking someone if they look fat in a particular dress.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Reasoner on Mar 26th, 2017, 5:14pm

As per topic... Trump. Mentally ill?
or Secret Putin Puppet?
or just an idiot? (addressing the comments just above where Trump's push for an up or down vote on the ACA replacement wasn't reckless but calculated to damage Ryan)

Let's consider this NEW gem of news:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel-nato-bill-defence-ignore-usa-germany-spending-a7650636.html

This isn't the only news site reporting this. The gist for those not clicking the link is that Trump had an invoice printed and handed to Merkel stating Germany owed ... the United States? ... billions of dollars for not funding NATO enough (interest was added in).

Is this FAKE news? Did this not happen? Is it SLANTED news, meaning it happened but is not presented in context? What if it's real news? What's the spin? Is this appropriate? Do we consider this Trump merely "making a point"?

With everything going on in the US political news cycle, we have to parse the heck out of it to make any sense of it and figure how we should feel about it, if we're being rational.

My initial thought is that this is too outlandish to be real. I don't mean that the mainstream media made this up, but rather, they bit down on the hook without doing enough due diligence in fact-checking. They want to believe this is real. Because, if this IS real? What can one say about this?

Allies don't treat each other this way. It's not even the way NATO works! I'm still searching for confirmation this actually happened before I burst a vessel.

If this is true, what do you take this as a sign of? Do you agree that he should be trying to collect this as an American debt? Or that niceties be damned, the United States needs to embarrass Germany into putting more money into NATO? Is this the sign of a responsible leader? Trump seems to go out of his way to alienate our long-standing alliances. Is this through disregard? Incompetence? Or does this have a more sinister calculation to it?

By all means, please defend the President of the United States in this matter. I'm all eyes.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Reasoner on Mar 26th, 2017, 5:24pm

After searching, I've seen many sites claiming this is true, including The Blaze. Their take is that Trump is trolling Germany (Ho Ho Ho! So funny to troll!).

Lest anyone thinks that Trump is right:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/19/donald-trump/fact-check-donald-trump-says-germany-owes-vast-sum/

"NATO members agreed to spend 2 percent of their country’s GDP on defense by 2024. But that’s not in payments to NATO. Each country funds its own defense, while NATO serves as an umbrella organization meant to protect all members."

IF YOU'RE THE POTUS, YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS! I don't care if Obama admonished low spenders - the target date is 2024, and Obama isn't the president now, Trump is. Trump has only been in office for 2 months, and he's burning through all our allies in Europe. Something is rotten and no longer in the state of Denmark!
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by cosmicjbw on Mar 26th, 2017, 9:37pm

Reasoner;

I really am curious as to why this news is not only surprising, but alarming to you.

Let me begin by saying your post was the 1st I had heard of this, other than knowing Trump had met with Merkel recently, and that the NATO funding was an issue discussed. This is nothing new with what Trump has stated numerous times during the campaign. Again, he's simply doing what he said he was going to do. I know it's a shock... i'm still taken aback too, but it is happening, and the globalists hate him for it... moreover they hate the people who voted him into office, and they hate the system for which he was elected. They have done well do bring our country down, to keep us in line, to drain our resources and rise our debt, in the end to reduce us to a 3rd world state that is controlled by a global government. This began after world war 2 as I'm sure most here know and has become that status quo every since. This is now changing and this new world order system is being dismantled. The mad dream is dying, or that is the current state.

Here is another thought about what might be behind Trump's thinking; Germany for many years has been taking us for a ride... our so-called ally has made a mockery of us. That's over. I'm not personally too broken up if we don't kiss their behinds about it, either.

Here is another issue which I feel is important; why does NATO exist? I know why NATO was created, but when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, NATO should have been dissolved. Instead we saw Bill Clinton use NATO as the police for the UN by attacking Serbia. Is that what we are about? Today the globalists are dying to get into a war with Russia using NATO to push into Russia's backyard and it seems they hope to antagonize Putin into attacking a NATO member. Again, and I am being serious... why does NATO exist? What purpose is it really serving? If western Europeans say the alliance is in case they are attacked again, like in world war 2... the why do they have the EU? Does western Europe not have military alliances and training among themselves through the EU? If they don't, then why not? If they do, or if they don't, it really doesn't matter because there honestly isn't any reason the US should be in Europe at all. Europe has plenty of money and tech and military power. They have nukes and even their own space program.

Sorry for the rant. But I could go on and on about all of this. Perhaps it is easier to say times are changing and it is the beginning of a new era.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Reasoner on Mar 27th, 2017, 03:11am

on Mar 26th, 2017, 9:37pm, cosmicjbw wrote:
Reasoner;

I really am curious as to why this news is not only surprising, but alarming to you.


It's not surprising that Trump maintains that NATO countries should pay up. As you noted, he said that all along in his campaign. When he tweeted after their meeting, saying the same thing, I snorted, because of course he did. That's not the shock. The shock is that he utterly fails at diplomacy. That's like a grade school maneuver. Hand the a foreign leader an invoice? And the fact is, as I noted above, he's wrong on how the monetary goals are set up and operate. I don't know how you see him (a forceful daddy figure bringing world leaders to heel?), but I see him as an uncouth moron. My president. A crass and unthinking man who blunders through his job. I'd be a TERRIBLE leader, but I'd probably step in it less than Trump does. I wouldn't go out of my way to piss off my allies, that's for sure.

on Mar 26th, 2017, 9:37pm, cosmicjbw wrote:
Let me begin by saying your post was the 1st I had heard of this, other than knowing Trump had met with Merkel recently, and that the NATO funding was an issue discussed. This is nothing new with what Trump has stated numerous times during the campaign. Again, he's simply doing what he said he was going to do.


Once again, he said all this on the campaign trail. Then he got elected President. And then he appointed cabinet members and advisors - people one would hope would fill in the blanks on policy details and diplomatic do's and don'ts. There's such a thing as diplomatic protocol, but perhaps Trump has saved the taxpayers money by doing away with people who would advise him on that. After all, he IS the preeminent deal maker. Why have lessers around him telling him otherwise?

on Mar 26th, 2017, 9:37pm, cosmicjbw wrote:
I know it's a shock... i'm still taken aback too, but it is happening, and the globalists hate him for it... moreover they hate the people who voted him into office, and they hate the system for which he was elected. They have done well do bring our country down, to keep us in line, to drain our resources and rise our debt, in the end to reduce us to a 3rd world state that is controlled by a global government. This began after world war 2 as I'm sure most here know and has become that status quo every since. This is now changing and this new world order system is being dismantled. The mad dream is dying, or that is the current state.


There is no globalist cabal. There are plenty of global companies, doing their own thing, which in the process screws us. "They" don't hate Trump much; not since he's done everything in his power to aid them. Deregulation. Deregulation is what the big corporations and internationals love, and that's already going on. You think Trump is helping you out? He is allowing the corporations to loot this country. Unless you're a 1%er, your only hope is in the magnanimity of those corporations to follow through on trickle down and increased jobs and wages and not spirit away their increased profits to their investors. I repeat. There is no globalist cabal. It's simply capitalism. Capitalism is all well and good, but it has no morality on its own. For companies, the smart move is maximizing profit and minimizing externality costs. When unchecked, they will poison your water and air, curb your ability to unionize, raid your pensions, shake hands with "competitors" to establish monopolistic fiefdoms, and enjoy the benefits of at will employment. But hey. The American Dream has been dying for awhile; it's just been because of poor management of the country's labor force. Since many believe "it's not the job of government to interfere with business", the heads of corporations have been enjoying life at the expense of the majority of us.

on Mar 26th, 2017, 9:37pm, cosmicjbw wrote:
Here is another thought about what might be behind Trump's thinking; Germany for many years has been taking us for a ride... our so-called ally has made a mockery of us. That's over. I'm not personally too broken up if we don't kiss their behinds about it, either.


Germany... has been making a mockery of us? In what way exactly? Germany has been very grateful for what the United States has done for it since the second world war.

on Mar 26th, 2017, 9:37pm, cosmicjbw wrote:
Here is another issue which I feel is important; why does NATO exist? I know why NATO was created, but when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, NATO should have been dissolved. Instead we saw Bill Clinton use NATO as the police for the UN by attacking Serbia. Is that what we are about? Today the globalists are dying to get into a war with Russia using NATO to push into Russia's backyard and it seems they hope to antagonize Putin into attacking a NATO member. Again, and I am being serious... why does NATO exist? What purpose is it really serving? If western Europeans say the alliance is in case they are attacked again, like in world war 2... the why do they have the EU? Does western Europe not have military alliances and training among themselves through the EU? If they don't, then why not? If they do, or if they don't, it really doesn't matter because there honestly isn't any reason the US should be in Europe at all. Europe has plenty of money and tech and military power. They have nukes and even their own space program.


If things had gone differently with Russia, I might see your point of a NATO draw-down. But they haven't. I'm not an isolationist, and I've not see any good examples of isolationism helping anything in the world. Pissing off our allies, withdrawing from treaties, agreements, and pacts... you say, "about time"... about time for what? Remove favorable trading partnerships? Unrestricted travel ability? Guarantees of alliances when the proverbial poop hits the fan? Saying that NATO countries are trying to provoke Russia into a fight... that's Kremlin talk. Putin is nearly atavistic in his seeming desire to encroach and annex. BUT HE UNDERSTANDS SUBTLETY AND DIPLOMACY, unlike Trump. We take our toys and "go home", and you begin opening the gate for further encroachments. But I know. Screw those Europeans. They're all snobs anyways. If they can't put up a fight to save themselves, then they were just losers anyways. Oh, and BTW, an American president can't just "use NATO" to do his bidding.

on Mar 26th, 2017, 9:37pm, cosmicjbw wrote:
Sorry for the rant. But I could go on and on about all of this. Perhaps it is easier to say times are changing and it is the beginning of a new era.


We are at the beginning of a new era. Decorum is completely to the wayside, at least in terms of the presidency. Partisanship has been calcifying for some time, but now both sides are seemingly taken up with conspiracy theory, and never before have I seen the press vilified as in this day and age. (Oh yes, globalist interests to subjugate us).

People who used to be shrewd and critical thinkers are besotted with the idea of a vulgarian running the show, because regardless of his warts, he offends the left. That seems to be the long and short of it. He is the current champion of the right, and admitting he sucks would be admitting that the right made a mistake. It's easier to rationalize than to have a change of world view. The left may have galvanized the right with their smugness and condescension, but now we're all going to suffer for it. The difference is that the right will rationalize that suffering rather than accept error.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 27th, 2017, 09:24am

Why am I a troll? Analysis anyone?

The video below is A little off topic but it doesn't seem to stop Erno..



I think this is my way of trying to ask, or figure out, because I want to know.. what lens is everyone looking through that so vehemently oppose Trump to the point where the accusations and personification of him has reached a point of such absurdity that it has nothing to do with reality, let alone facts.

In fact, what lens do you see when you look at him and say he is vulgar? He's different.. I'll concede that, but he could also be a genius.

He sure handed the old dinosaur Republicans their a** with the health care plan. Now he can really work it for the best outcome if only the dems will take their hater lens out and get a grip for a change..




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 27th, 2017, 09:37am

@reasoner

In your last paragraphs you said "The left may have galvanized the right with their smugness and condescension, but now we're all going to suffer for it. The difference is that the right will rationalize that suffering rather than accept error."

I'm afraid you are wrong there.. it has nothing to do with smugness and condescension ... if so.. nobody noticed.. because the left has lost their minds and become infiltrated with fascists of all makes and styles. From Intafa, to the Islamists, to the SJW's, the 3rd Wave Feminists, the anti-deplorable mindset... the socialist and theocratic interests... not to mention the PC curtain over everything worthwhile talking about.


They are like lost... man... really really lost.

And people ran from them to Pepe the frog.. who makes America not just fun again but free.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 27th, 2017, 12:07pm

Lets get to the two problems that all have spoken about, NATO and the UN ! NATO. since it's inception, has been a disaster. Starting with the Korean debacle. Every time there is a coalition based on NATO and or UN members, the situation will always become a quagmire of jealousy, pecking order idiocy and basic cluster of ignorance! The indigenous population is used as cannon, rape and pillage fodder and the money spent NEVER gets to the ones harmed by the problem that was probably created by NATO or one of it's main UM member provocateur members !
Trump is right about the financing and the amounts we as a country have paid to member countries that has NEVER been paid back since WW 2! I think Finland and maybe one other country has ever even made an effort to pay it back and are ALWAYS there every year for handouts of our financial aid when their countries are doing just fine with their deficit spending knowing we are there with the open wallet! They get massive tax breaks to get their products here to sell to help their economies while putting all manner of roadblocks on our goods and services! They bitch about protectionism but use it like a cudgel to keep our goods out of their countries.
Personally, I would love for our government use the very same tactics that are used against us. Backing away from NATO and dumping that albatross known as the UN and making NATO self fund would go a long way to get us out of entanglements we have no business being involved in!
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by cosmicjbw on Mar 27th, 2017, 12:35pm

Hi Reasoner

There is a global order. Perhaps I should make a separate thread with videos of speeches by many business and political leaders who clearly state this. They do not hide it anymore, not since Obama’s administration.

That is what this whole thing is about; we voted in Trump, not because of the false Right-Left stage show. We have rejected both parties and see them the same unified corrupt system. This is why perhaps you see so many support a different path. The old path has failed. The Democrats and Republicans are failures, and we are sick of it. We don’t care about the games and power struggles and selfish liars, we want it to end. If some bad decisions are made in the course of it, then so be it. I still don’t see the error though [but I do have an opened mind].

You can be critical of Trump’s way of handling Germany, I guess, but I’ll hold off on judgment to see the final results. If at the end of the day, our NATO partners start paying their part, and we are still allies with Germany… then I just don’t understand why you are upset. Just to let you know a little more about me; I have about 10 people who I know that are Germans who are born and raised and currently living there. I like every one of them, they are all nice people, but they are also tough and are not cupcakes like people are here in the US [no, I’m not saying that you are a cupcake, but you have to admit there are far too many wimpy people here]. I’m sure the Germans are going to be just fine. I am also part German myself. This is not a personal thing with Germany at all, it’s about our nation 1st. Germany takes their negotiations as Germany 1st, and so does UK, China, Russia, and anyone else. So a big deal about nothing, IMO.

And yes, partly Trump was elected because he is not afraid to stand strong, as opposed to the Clintons and Obama, lap dogs to the globalists. We want to show we are sick and tired of it, so some forceful rhetoric might be required from time to time.

When I say globalization, and you say there is no such thing; I’m sorry my friend, but I don’t know what world you are living on if you can ignore so much evidence and countless self-admissions from the conspirators themselves. That double-think just doesn’t work anymore, and I think that is the main communication breakdown. Those who are awake are extremely upset and nothing is going to put that cat back in the bag… no spin, no false flags, nothing is going to put the veil back over the secret. Everything the globalists do now is just backfiring in their faces. I think it is because there is an evil satanic theme behind these globalists and they really want their messiah antichrist figure to appear. Obviously, God has other plans. We’ll see how it all plays out.

Before you blow a gasket and blast me with a harsh post; I just wish to say, that none of my words are designed to attack you or your right to think and speak how you feel. I say this because your last post seemed kinda tilted towards a one-sided conversation, which is not a conversation at all. That is just you yelling at me, heh. Don’t worry, the part German and part Irish in me means I’m not a cupcake either. But I really would like to talk about it, rather than us just yelling at each other, which is pointless. You know, sometimes two people are just so opposite in opinion about a subject that it is near impossible to try and reach an understanding because the mindset is so polarized.

A couple of other things here; You are not fully understanding some things I had said earlier so I would like to try and clarify those.

The first being Russia; It is easy to shout someone down with political correctness tactic and claim anyone who says something in defense of Russia must be a Russian spy or something totally insane like that. Political correctness doesn’t work anymore and is recognized as a tactic of the people who want to make other people feel guilty about not thinking like they do. Don’t reduce down to that. I have a right to my own opinion and not have my patriotism questioned because of it. You said to me, that my comments sound like Kremlin talk… let’s not make a big deal about it, but you and I know that is a cheesy way out of a difficult topic, and Russia is a difficult topic. I’m not saying Putin is an angel, ok?

I was actually trying to make a point about NATO and how it has been used since 1991. NATO being the second; when I brought up Bill Clinton and Serbia, I was speaking as an American and from an American perspective, I wasn’t implying that other nations were not involved, but in reality it was mostly the US under the NATO logo.

I think maybe there was something in that post of mine that triggered you off a little and you got all polarized on me, though I really don’t understand why. Perhaps you felt I was being harsh on you 1st? I wasn’t trying to be… I just get energized sometimes. I’m passionate about my country and very concerned, and I think that you are too. We live in perilous times and I think it is more important to try and unite and find common ground among our fellow citizens, instead of who gets to be right. We really need to change our way of thinking or I’m afraid our country is doomed. I don’t want that to happen, but fear is never an alternative.

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Reasoner on Mar 27th, 2017, 1:19pm

on Mar 27th, 2017, 09:37am, tommi01 wrote:
@reasoner

In your last paragraphs you said "The left may have galvanized the right with their smugness and condescension, but now we're all going to suffer for it. The difference is that the right will rationalize that suffering rather than accept error."

I'm afraid you are wrong there.. it has nothing to do with smugness and condescension ... if so.. nobody noticed.. because the left has lost their minds and become infiltrated with fascists of all makes and styles. From Intafa, to the Islamists, to the SJW's, the 3rd Wave Feminists, the anti-deplorable mindset... the socialist and theocratic interests... not to mention the PC curtain over everything worthwhile talking about.


They are like lost... man... really really lost.

And people ran from them to Pepe the frog.. who makes America not just fun again but free.



Antifa and Black Bloc are just as unconscionable as white nationalists, and they do exist in the left, in small numbers. I don't personally lump all conservatives in with bigots and billionaires, because duh! The vast majority are not. Just as the vast majority of liberals aren't secretly donning masks and defacing property in the name of social justice. I'm just as guilty for making blanket statements - saying the right will rationalize rather than admit error. There are already some admitting error. I was generalizing and do think the majority (50% plus one) of conservatives engage in confirmation bias and circular reasoning when rationalizing their faith in Trump. However, I'm sick of the pejorative "Social Justice Warrior". Marginalizing people who are outspoken on increasing the rights of individuals in society is repugnant. I understand not enjoying knee-jerk reactions to un-PC comments, but calling the left whackadoodle snowflakes without reflection of the message of tolerance helps nothing. "The intolerant left" is more of the same lie that the small part represents the whole. The left is just as guilty. I call out both.

So now. Just look at the post above...

" what lens is everyone looking through that so vehemently oppose Trump to the point where the accusations and personification of him has reached a point of such absurdity that it has nothing to do with reality, let alone facts.

In fact, what lens do you see when you look at him and say he is vulgar? He's different.. I'll concede that, but he could also be a genius."


Reality? The Distorter in Chief? https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/24/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html
The guy doesn't slant or shade the edges of a statement to paint a picture. He outright lies. And the closest we ever get to an admission that he was lying is that he will say he was using quotes or he was quoting someone else.

What "lens" do I look at to make the claim he's vulgar?
a) the gotcha tape where he makes classless claims about grabbing on women
b) the vocabulary. Trump's vocabulary when matched up against Casebook's... his words are like a kindergartner's in comparison. I understand speaking common words to the common people, but this is who he is. In all of his statements, even far before he ran for office.
c) his apparent lack of concern for nuanced policy decisions. Not only does he goof on protocols, he doesn't seem concerned in the least. He gets policies factually wrong, but doesn't go back to amend his statements to take them into account. "It is what it is".
d) admits he doesn't read books.
e) has the taste for gaudy. Look at all his high end real estate endeavors. Gauche and gold. The guy has Vegas in his blood.

As far as being a genius? Look at what I wrote above, and include that he has frequently espoused conspiracy theory. Cases in point: birther and anti-vaxxer.

And the Pepe the Frog thing. Alt-right people took something that was obscure and oddly hilarious, and threw politics on it. While also rolling on racist crap.

What do you make of this?
http://www.alternet.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_image/public/ciovm-aweaaqoxb.jpg-large.jpeg?itok=8M3whJ1h

Making America fun and free?

Trump supporters seem not to care. Trump seems to represent some unbridled id. He lies, gets called on the lies, but seems to suffer no repercussion. He exhibits no remorse, no shame. Lies. Blames. Then offers simplistic solutions. "The best" solutions. But this does not derail his support. I can only come to the conclusion that there is no reasoning with a Trump supporter. When you can't even concede that the man is a consistent liar (his supporters claim he's the most honest politician around!) and that his ideas are untenable (build a wall! make Mexico pay for it!), there's just no ground to have a discussion on.

Enjoy your world of confirmation bias. At least you seem to be happy in it, and isn't that what life is all about? Finding happiness where you can?
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 27th, 2017, 2:34pm

Reasoner,

Maybe someone over there can answer this.

Why does America think it needs to spend so much on the military ?

It appears that You already spend more than the next seven countries put together.

Now the POTUS is going to ask for $54 Billion more.

here is the big question....

Who does he think is going to attack America in a conventional war ?


Here in Europe we have historic aggressors on almost every border; and we have a lot of borders. The ones of concern are between us and Russia.

You have two. And on the other two sides many miles of ocean.

Any attack to you will probably come via ICBM. which makes a case for anti-missile missile systems; but not Star Wars as it would not have worked as designed.

But you already have more than enough ground war machinery. And, I think, the biggest standing army in the western world.

And, of course, enough nuclear capability to destroy the world many times over; should it ever be used.

So, again the question..

Why spend so much on weaponry ?

HAL
INT21

p.s. Good to see you posting again.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 27th, 2017, 3:14pm

The invoice is fake:

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/03/trump-merkel-invoice-fake/


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 27th, 2017, 3:27pm

@reasoner
Your points from a to e are subjective. There is nothing substantive in what you have said.

I'm sorry you don't like his decorating style, but have you ever seen Mar a Largo.. I've ridden a moped through it.
Trump has enough taste to preserve that beautiful architecture and he did it with taste.

He said "they let you grab them by the pu**y". It is so stupid and ridiculous (sorry but it's true) to take locker room talk from 11 years ago that was pretty freaking innocuous, to be honest, unless yo have lived like a monk and never shared a raunchy moment.. with anyone in glib humor.. Let me clue you in... Reasoner.. if you think that this is over the top vulgar, don't hang around a woman's gym locker too long... or listen in on a good female drinking session.. you would be MORTIFIED grin

Next..... if that is all you got.. Then please don the pink pussy hat and stand with dignity while you protest a man who made an offhand comment.. why not? smiley

Now what else you got?

@HAL The more weapons the more we don't have to fight, and if we do, the more we will need them. Plus what do you know about what is needed? Listened to the Sunday talk shows this weekend over C-Span and the troop's equipment is sorely needed, VA services are sorely needed and the fighters have been patched with cannibalized parts for far too long and need replenishing.

If we ever have to face the "clash of civilizations" in Trump's term, then he will have done the same as Regan, scared the Russies into capitulation.

Plus the security of having an amply armed force gives security and a lot of international money will be parked in the USA. Win Win.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 27th, 2017, 3:29pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 27th, 2017, 3:38pm

@reasoner - continuing on your points -

He has written several books. I think he probably has read a number of books in his lifetime. He speaks not like a 4 year old, but he speaks so that he is not talking over the heads of the people he is trying to deal with, in the case of being in Kentucky, it's not necessary to use multi-syllables to make the same point you can talking like an ordinary person would do at a rally for blue-collar workers.

What else.... come on .. is that all you got?

Could the lens you are using be one of something you perceive to be important, but many do not? Like Johnson, Lyndon, who would speak while doing number 1 & 2 on the toilet to his staff?* Our presidents in the past have been drinkers, been in the pockets of special interests and have had sex addictions..

Again I ask.. what lens are you using?

*while standing there with door open watching him.. shocked
(now that is worse than anything you can imagine .. right?)

grin


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 27th, 2017, 3:56pm

Tommi,

.. or listen in on a good female drinking session.. you would be MORTIFIED..

Got to agree with you there. There are few things a vile as a collection of drunken women.


Trump is going to to take America down the pan if the republican Grandees don't keep him in check.

Interesting that you think the good people of Kentucky can't string two syllables together.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 27th, 2017, 4:02pm

"There is nothing new about a Russian government seeking to exert influence in Western countries. For many decades, the Soviet Union supported Western communist parties and ran disinformation campaigns {Operation Infekton, the campaign to convince the world that the United States invented AIDS, was one of the most famous}. The KGB slipped money and guns into the hands of terrorists and extremists, the Red Army Faction, and the Irish Republican Army among them.

After the demise of the Soviet Union, these games stopped. The KGB was in disarray; more important, a large part of the Russian establishment then wanted to join the , not undermine it.

But now we live in a different era. Russia is run not buy 'reformers' but by very rich men who believe that Western institutions, and Western democratic ideals, threaten their power and their stolen money.

They have returned to their old tactics --- but with new twists."

quotes: "The critical questions on Russia" by Anne Applebaum, Washington Post - Monday, March 27, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 27th, 2017, 6:26pm

Yes and they are probably plying $$$$ galore into all this fake news that is out to get Trump.. cool


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Reasoner on Mar 27th, 2017, 6:37pm

I stand corrected in that Trump didn't submit an invoice. The part of me that felt the story was too incredible didn't win out, as I felt it was indeed something Trump would do.

To Tommi:
As far as calling Trump vulgar, and that being subjective... of course, it's subjective. Rather than a point by point rebuttal to the rebuttal, I'll just shrug my shoulders. You clearly have made your views on Trump clear. You've also let me know that I must be some wimpy liberal who wants to help out with women's marches. Quite an excellent observation. Attack my masculinity to make me come around to your point of view. I stand by my earlier remarks that belief in the Trump phenomenon is nigh unswerving.

To cosmicjbw:
Thank you for revisiting with kind words. I don't agree with you about Trump, nor about globalists vs. globalization. Globalization is definitely a thing, and many business and political people state that they are onboard and prepared to meet the demands of it. I think in their earnestness, they ignore the inherent pitfalls of globalization of which those pitfalls sometimes carry a steep penalty for populations. I've personally been affected by offshoring, and that has been a serious setback in my life. However, (and I state this without any evidence) I don't feel that there is a globalist elite coordinating an effort to subjugate the peoples of the world with globalization. I just view all of this as corporations gonna earn money, no matter who they have to step on. All that being said, I hope you enjoy your time on the site and find the discussions rewarding.

To HAL:
As far as military build up, we're screwing our social net so that we can have a bigger military. Whether we need a huge military or not can be argued ad nauseum, but in THEORY, it's an excellent deterrent, and as you can see, well, the United States certainly does stay in practice with using all that hardware. I'll leave that argument for another day, but to the specific question of how much is too much...

I don't understand why we have to spend so much more currently. I think it may have to do with revamping the navy, as things are changing in the Pacific with China. Ships are expensive, yo.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Mar 28th, 2017, 10:24am

on Mar 27th, 2017, 6:37pm, Reasoner wrote:
I stand corrected in that Trump didn't submit an invoice. The part of me that felt the story was too incredible didn't win out, as I felt it was indeed something Trump would do.

To Tommi:
As far as calling Trump vulgar, and that being subjective... of course, it's subjective. Rather than a point by point rebuttal to the rebuttal, I'll just shrug my shoulders. You clearly have made your views on Trump clear. You've also let me know that I must be some wimpy liberal who wants to help out with women's marches. Quite an excellent observation. Attack my masculinity to make me come around to your point of view. I stand by my earlier remarks that belief in the Trump phenomenon is nigh unswerving.



Well, actually I didn't mean YOU in particular standing out in the rain, in a pink pussy hat, waving a sign that says "Grab Them By The Pu**Y", standing next to a feminist with purple hair hanging out of her hijab headscarf, with the American flag imprinted on it, standing next to someone dressed up like a vagina, but instead from a distance looks like a hotdog in a bun... and the demonstrator's cries of the Islamic prayer song are winning over the drums in the distance, all the while nursing a fascist mentality and growing a mindset and movement like Antifa..

No.. I wasn't speaking about you in particular, just what the left has become in general..

And you criticize Trump?? grin grin



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Suzy on Mar 28th, 2017, 12:36pm

grin grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 28th, 2017, 2:29pm

Reasoner,

... Attack my masculinity to make me come around to your point of view...

It's what these feminists do. if they can't crush your spirit they try to crush your balls.

...I stand by my earlier remarks that belief in the Trump phenomenon is nigh unswerving...

Right on, Brother.

Tommi,

...into all this fake news that is out to get Trump....

? Perhaps a few examples will help .

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 28th, 2017, 2:54pm





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Post by Erno86 on Mar 28th, 2017, 3:18pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Mar 28th, 2017, 3:58pm

on Mar 28th, 2017, 2:29pm, INT21 wrote:
Reasoner,

... Attack my masculinity to make me come around to your point of view...

It's what these feminists do. if they can't crush your spirit they try to crush your balls.

...I stand by my earlier remarks that belief in the Trump phenomenon is nigh unswerving...

Right on, Brother.

Tommi,

...into all this fake news that is out to get Trump....

? Perhaps a few examples will help .

HAL
INT21


I'm not a feminist, I'm a unicorn, and I've been a ball buster since I was born. Has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with good debate.
cool

In fact, I remember my father telling me if I was ever in a country like Sicily, I wouldn't last 20 minutes.. so you can just imagine how much I come by this naturally.. I think!


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 28th, 2017, 4:02pm

"Spicer Erupts: 'Stop Shaking Your Head' "



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 28th, 2017, 4:03pm

@Hal

Let's see.... that he presented a bill to Germany. That he lies all the time. That he p*ssed in a bed in Russia that Obama slept in. That he is in cahoots with Russia. That he and his wife looked unhappy together. That he sleeps with pandas. That he is an antisemite. That he hates blacks and is a racist. That he doesn't like KFC. That he does like KFC. That he doesn't read. That he only reads cartoons. That he is a dictator. That he doesn't like dogs as much as cats. That he wants to destroy the US constitution. That he wants to destroy America..... should I go on?



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 28th, 2017, 4:17pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 28th, 2017, 4:22pm

Which channels are you watching ?

Not the same ones as me obviously.

I will comment on some of it.

He certainly does not look happy at times when he is with his wife. Or should that be she does not look happy with him. She rarely smiles. I feel she does not particularly like her role.

Russians ? Maybe. yet to come out.

Lies, sometimes he does. not all the time though.

The other stuff seems like red top paper stuff. I wouldn't take much notice of it.

Having said that, I think America made a mistake electing him. But we will see how his next bills fare.

HAL
INT21

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 28th, 2017, 4:31pm

on Mar 28th, 2017, 4:03pm, tommi01 wrote:
@Hal

Let's see.... that he presented a bill to Germany. That he lies all the time. That he p*ssed in a bed in Russia that Obama slept in. That he is in cahoots with Russia. That he and his wife looked unhappy together. That he sleeps with pandas. That he is an antisemite. That he hates blacks and is a racist. That he doesn't like KFC. That he does like KFC. That he doesn't read. That he only reads cartoons. That he is a dictator. That he doesn't like dogs as much as cats. That he wants to destroy the US constitution. That he wants to destroy America..... should I go on?





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 28th, 2017, 4:37pm

Erno,

Yes I know she did. I read it. Your point is ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 28th, 2017, 5:38pm

In an interview with Ivanka, she was asked about Trump running for president and she said that she told him to be sure this is what he wanted because she said to him, if you run, you will win. She and he seem to have a great relationship.

I don't know if you know any women like her, but her demeanor is one of your typical classical supportive wife roles. She is dignified and she knows what she's got and she supports as well as loves the man she is with. Her first priority is to their child and to his and her husband's well being. This is obvious if you know other women like her, as I've met. She is perfectly adjusted to being the less public figure and more the anchor in their lives.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by cosmicjbw on Mar 28th, 2017, 8:52pm

Hi Reasoner - Hey no hard feelings at all. smiley I am glad to know you do know what I am saying about the globalists. So we really only disagree on the level of influence they have, it seems.

To the Left, Right, and everyone in between;
It is unfortunate but it seems those who like Trump and those who do not like Trump are entrenched. I ask everyone to at least try to find common ground with one another instead of looking for division. For those non-citizens who aid in the instigation of that division, I must ask; do you really want a civil war in the US? When you don't know who or what is coming out on top... what do you think that means for your own nation? I'm sure if people would ease up on their emotions they would be able to see down the road more clearly. Just something to think about.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 28th, 2017, 9:49pm

Civil war right now in the states because of Trump would consist of a bunch of Antifa wearing hoods to hide their pink pussy hats being chased by a bunch of p*ssed off rednecks, trucks, 4 wheelers, motorcyles, dogs, and baseball hats.

It'd be a non-starter .. lol...


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by cosmicjbw on Mar 28th, 2017, 10:01pm

I'm thinking more realistic terms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41fr04IlB-g


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Suzy on Mar 28th, 2017, 11:28pm

on Mar 28th, 2017, 10:24am, tommi01 wrote:
Well, actually I didn't mean YOU in particular standing out in the rain, in a pink pussy hat, waving a sign that says "Grab Them By The Pu**Y", standing next to a feminist with purple hair hanging out of her hijab headscarf, with the American flag imprinted on it, standing next to someone dressed up like a vagina, but instead from a distance looks like a hotdog in a bun... and the demonstrator's cries of the Islamic prayer song are winning over the drums in the distance, all the while nursing a fascist mentality and growing a mindset and movement like Antifa..

No.. I wasn't speaking about you in particular, just what the left has become in general..

And you criticize Trump?? grin grin




Sumtin like this ? grin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=losz3oaBI4c

wink
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Post by tommi01 on Mar 29th, 2017, 05:06am

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Post by MrGort on Mar 29th, 2017, 10:24am

on Mar 29th, 2017, 05:06am, tommi01 wrote:
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You are pretty much wasting your time trying to discuss politics with the Democrat or liberal, they are one and the same. Their basic philosophy is that the individual cannot care for themselves and need intervention by the federal government. These people have no entrepreneurial charisma or talent but ferociously depend upon other people including and most adorably the federal government to dominate their lives. They are basically followers needing direction, sheep without independent thought. Like lemmings they can be led very easily. But are steadfast in their safe place, and their supposedly safe reality. Don’t waste your time on them. It’s almost as if the borg said, (your efforts are futile). Snow Flakes cry
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Mar 29th, 2017, 10:58am

on Mar 28th, 2017, 10:01pm, cosmicjbw wrote:
I'm thinking more realistic terms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41fr04IlB-g



That would be an interesting contract to accomplish!\
Speaking of Russian influence. Quite a few of Soros security are ex Spetznaz with a few Elites from other forces including SEAL !

Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 29th, 2017, 11:32am

@Gort,

Medical care and social support is part of a society's need. Enterprise is dependent on the structural support also provided by a government.

Snowflakes, however, have lost their minds...

This Trump bashing isn't going to help get the balance right. I hate to think that the democrats and liberals will not take any opportunity to fill in the gaps needed in the government to get obligations of the government right for everyone's interests as much as possible.



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Mar 29th, 2017, 2:35pm

on Mar 29th, 2017, 11:32am, tommi01 wrote:
@Gort,

Medical care and social support is part of a society's need. Enterprise is dependent on the structural support also provided by a government.

Snowflakes, however, have lost their minds...

This Trump bashing isn't going to help get the balance right. I hate to think that the democrats and liberals will not take any opportunity to fill in the gaps needed in the government to get obligations of the government right for everyone's interests as much as possible.





As much as I dislike saying this, the Democrats and liberals no longer give a hoot about their fellow mankind. They just like being in power so they can profit one way or another. But their agenda includes fooling most of the people most of the time and they are more than up to the task. Unfortunately, after 8 years of Obama foolery most of America have caught on or at least a significant number to not elect Hillary. As much as people dislike Trump (arrogance, ego, braggadocio, etc.) he is nonetheless sincere. And I believe he genuinely wants to improve America. Whereas Hillary and her like (liberals, Erno. Reasoner, bonehead, etc.) will talk the talk but only have their own interest/agenda at heart and for the longest time a lot of Americans believed her garbage. I’m really amazed at what constitutes the liberal base. Somebody has actually divvied it up. It’s a collection of diverse groups, Blacks, gays, immigrants, illegal aliens who shouldn’t be voting anyway, dead people, and many other snowflakes. And if only Osama bin Laden said he was a Democrat he’d still be alive today, probably on the view with Hillary. The Democrats will sacrifice anything, even the well-being of America, just to get more illegal immigrants and dead people voting Democrat. Not to mention as many Russians after all didn’t Obama say that he would be more “flexible”, now what the hell does that mean? And yet they have the gall to think that Obama’s friend Putin to whom he would be more flexible with had something to do with Trump’s election? All I can say is that these Democrats live in a Watters world. And if you don’t know anything about Watters world let me know and I will post it on YouTube and if you don’t know anything about YouTube I’ll post it somewhere where you can get it. Maybe Erno can help.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 29th, 2017, 2:37pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:04pm

Hold those thoughts while I go get a beer and some popcorn.

INT21 smiley
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Post by Erno86 on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:08pm





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:20pm

Tommi,

..This Trump bashing isn't going to help get the balance right. I hate to think that the democrats and liberals will not take any opportunity to fill in the gaps needed in the government to get obligations of the government right for everyone's interests as much as possible...

The Republicans spent the last eight years blocking every move Obama made to get anything done.

Why should the Democrats move as much as a finger to help the Republicans do anything ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:26pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:29pm

on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:20pm, INT21 wrote:
Tommi,

..This Trump bashing isn't going to help get the balance right. I hate to think that the democrats and liberals will not take any opportunity to fill in the gaps needed in the government to get obligations of the government right for everyone's interests as much as possible...

The Republicans spent the last eight years blocking every move Obama made to get anything done.

Why should the Democrats move as much as a finger to help the Republicans do anything ?

HAL
INT21


Thank God some have had the balls to stop soros, i mean, osama, i mean obama, (all the same). Now can Trump continue and protect you'r liberal ass (in the uk) wilst (sp trying to be local) you continue with your liberal bs.


Also I'm all for William Wallace, Mel, and Braveheart. Again thank God we got away. wilst
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:38pm

Blacks, gays, immigrants, illegal aliens who shouldn’t be voting may not see this quite the same way.

Now back to local programming.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:42pm

on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:38pm, INT21 wrote:
Blacks, gays, immigrants, illegal aliens who shouldn’t be voting may not see this quite the same way.

Now back to local programming.

HAL
INT21


You probably voted, back to bs

Interesting that you would try to put a negative spin on the terms Blacks, gays, illegal immigrants and dead people when the only intent was to show how these liberals mobilize.

With the false promise that only the Democrats can provide hope from despair and only the Democrats can fulfill the promise of the American dream, in spite of the fact that Obama did nothing for 8 years. He did try to walk on water in a YouTube demonstration but all the illegal immigrants bending over couldn’t hold their breath that long.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:56pm


Come on Gort, you did write

...It’s a collection of diverse groups, Blacks, gays, immigrants, illegal aliens who shouldn’t be voting anyway, dead people, and many other snowflakes...

How is one supposed to interpret that ?

Even Spicer would struggle to spin it.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Mar 29th, 2017, 4:01pm

note the (,) wilst you may be aware of?
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Mar 29th, 2017, 4:09pm

Ah Gort, 'tis a sad day.

I missed that comma and have to offer an apology.

Mea culpa.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Mar 29th, 2017, 4:21pm

on Mar 29th, 2017, 3:29pm, MrGort wrote:
Thank God some have had the balls to stop soros, i mean, osama, i mean obama, (all the same). Now can Trump continue and protect you'r liberal ass (in the uk) wilst (sp trying to be local) you continue with your liberal bs.


Also I'm all for William Wallace, Mel, and Braveheart. Again thank God we got away. wilst


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Post by Swamprat on Mar 30th, 2017, 9:01pm

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Post by Sys_Config on Mar 31st, 2017, 01:19am

Maybe there is something wrong...why is He getting rid of all the snitches leaking to the NYT that just outed their sources..
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/must-read-update-katie-walsh-removed-white-house-gateway-pundit-predicted/
I'm missing something..

shocked shocked
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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 31st, 2017, 09:28am

Former FBI agent testifies before Congress: "Follow the trail of dead Russians"


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Post by Erno86 on Mar 31st, 2017, 09:40am





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Post by Swamprat on Mar 31st, 2017, 2:39pm

Love Trump? Despise Trump? Either way, you need to study this article. The times, they are a'changin. What's true? What's not true?



UW professor: The information war is real, and we’re losing it


Danny Westneat / Columnist
Originally published March 29, 2017

A University of Washington professor started studying social networks to help people respond to disasters. But she got dragged down a rabbit hole of twitter-boosted conspiracy theories, and ended up mapping our political moment.


It started with the Boston marathon bombing, four years ago. University of Washington professor Kate Starbird was sifting through thousands of tweets sent in the aftermath and noticed something strange.

Too strange for a university professor to take seriously.

“THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT VOLUME OF SOCIAL-MEDIA TRAFFIC THAT BLAMED THE NAVY SEALS FOR THE BOMBING,” Starbird told me the other day in her office. “It was real tinfoil-hat stuff. So we ignored it.”

Same thing after the mass shooting that killed nine at Umpqua Community College in Oregon: a burst of social-media activity calling the massacre a fake, a stage play by “crisis actors” for political purposes.

“After every mass shooting, dozens of them, there would be these strange clusters of activity,” Starbird says. “It was so fringe we kind of laughed at it.

“That was a terrible mistake. We should have been studying it.”


Starbird is in the field of “crisis informatics,” or how information flows after a disaster. She got into it to see how social media might be used for the public good, such as to aid emergency responders.

Instead SHE’S GONE DOWN A DARK RABBIT HOLE, ONE THAT WENDS THROUGH THE BACK WARRENS OF THE WEB AND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

Starbird argues in a new paper, set to be presented at a computational social-science conference in May, that THESE “STRANGE CLUSTERS” OF WILD CONSPIRACY TALK, WHEN MAPPED, POINT TO AN EMERGING ALTERNATIVE MEDIA ECOSYSTEM ON THE WEB OF SURPRISING POWER AND REACH.

IT FEATURES SITES SUCH AS INFOWARS.COM, HOSTED BY INFORMAL PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ADVISER ALEX JONES, WHICH HAS PUSHED A RANGE OF CONSPIRACIES, INCLUDING THAT THE SANDY HOOK SCHOOL SHOOTING WAS A STAGED FAKE.

There are dozens of other conspiracy-propagating websites such as beforeitsnews.com, nodisinfo.com and veteranstoday.com. Starbird cataloged 81 of them, linked through a huge community of interest connected by shared followers on Twitter, with many of the tweets replicated by automated bots.

Infowars.com alone is roughly equivalent in visitors and page views to the Chicago Tribune
, according to Alexa.com, the web-traffic analysis firm.

“More people are dipping into this stuff than I ever imagined,” Starbird says.

STARBIRD IS IN THE UW’S DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN CENTERED DESIGN & ENGINEERING — THE STUDY OF THE WAYS PEOPLE AND TECHNOLOGY INTERACT. HER TEAM ANALYZED 58 MILLION TWEETS SENT AFTER MASS SHOOTINGS DURING A 10-MONTH PERIOD. THEY SEARCHED FOR TERMS SUCH AS “FALSE FLAG” AND “CRISIS ACTOR,” WEB SLANG MEANING A SHOOTING IS NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR THE TRADITIONAL MEDIA IS REPORTING IT TO BE.

It happens after every mass shooting or attack. If you search for “false flag” and “Westminster,” you’ll find thousands of results theorizing that last week’s attack outside British Parliament was staged (presumably to bring down Brexit, which makes no sense, but making sense is not a prerequisite).

Starbird’s insight was to map the digital connections between all this buzzing on Twitter with a conglomeration of websites. Then she analyzed the content of each site to try to answer the question: Just what is this alternative media ecosystem saying?

It isn’t a traditional left-right political axis, she found. There are right-wing sites like Danger & Play and left-wing sensationalizers such as The Free Thought Project. Some appear to be just trying to make money, while others are aggressively pushing political agendas.

THE TRUE COMMON DENOMINATOR, SHE FOUND, IS ANTI-GLOBALISM — DEEP SUSPICION OF FREE TRADE, MULTINATIONAL BUSINESS AND GLOBAL INSTITUTIONS.

“TO BE ANTIGLOBALIST OFTEN INCLUDED BEING ANTI-MAINSTREAM MEDIA, ANTI-IMMIGRATION, ANTI-SCIENCE, ANTI-U.S. GOVERNMENT, AND ANTI-EUROPEAN UNION,” Starbird says.

So it was like the mind of Stephen Bannon, chief adviser to Trump, spilled across the back channels of the web.

MUCH OF IT WAS STRANGELY PRO-RUSSIAN, TOO — PERHAPS DUE TO RUSSIAN TWITTER BOTS THAT BOMBARDED SOCIAL CHANNELS DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN (A PHENOMENON THAT’S NOW PART OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION INTO THE ELECTION, McClatchy reported last week).

The mainstream press periodically waded into this swamp, but it only backfired. Its occasional fact checks got circulated as further evidence: "If the media is trying to debunk it, then the conspiracy must be true."

Starbird is publishing her paper as a sort of warning. THE INFORMATION NETWORKS WE’VE BUILT ARE ALMOST PERFECTLY DESIGNED TO EXPLOIT PSYCHOLOGICAL VULNERABILITIES TO RUMOR.

“Your brain tells you ‘Hey, I got this from three different sources,’ ” she says. “But YOU DON’T REALIZE IT ALL TRACES BACK TO THE SAME PLACE, AND MIGHT HAVE EVEN REACHED YOU VIA BOTS POSING AS REAL PEOPLE. If we think of this as a virus, I wouldn’t know how to vaccinate for it.”

STARBIRD SAYS SHE’S CONCLUDED, PROVOCATIVELY, THAT WE MAY BE HEADED TOWARD “THE MENACE OF UNREALITY — WHICH IS THAT NOBODY BELIEVES ANYTHING ANYMORE.” ALEX JONES, SHE SAYS, IS “A KIND OF PROPHET. THERE REALLY IS AN INFORMATION WAR FOR YOUR MIND. AND WE’RE LOSING IT.”

I sat dumbfounded for a time as she spooled through tweets in her database: an archive of endless, baseless speculation that nevertheless is evidence of a political revolution. It should be unnecessary to say, but real humans died in these shootings. How disgustingly cruel it is to the survivors to have the stories of those deaths altered and twisted for commercial or ideological ends.

Starbird sighed. “I used to be a techno-utopian. Now I can’t believe that I’m sitting here talking to you about all this.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/uw-professor-the-information-war-is-real-and-were-losing-it/


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Mar 31st, 2017, 3:04pm

Starts at 1:22



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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MOKSHA on Mar 31st, 2017, 4:27pm

on Mar 31st, 2017, 2:39pm, Swamprat wrote:
Love Trump? Despise Trump? Either way, you need to study this article. The times, they are a'changin. What's true? What's not true?



UW professor: The information war is real, and we’re losing it


Danny Westneat / Columnist
Originally published March 29, 2017

A University of Washington professor started studying social networks to help people respond to disasters. But she got dragged down a rabbit hole of twitter-boosted conspiracy theories, and ended up mapping our political moment.


It started with the Boston marathon bombing, four years ago. University of Washington professor Kate Starbird was sifting through thousands of tweets sent in the aftermath and noticed something strange.

Too strange for a university professor to take seriously.

“THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT VOLUME OF SOCIAL-MEDIA TRAFFIC THAT BLAMED THE NAVY SEALS FOR THE BOMBING,” Starbird told me the other day in her office. “It was real tinfoil-hat stuff. So we ignored it.”

Same thing after the mass shooting that killed nine at Umpqua Community College in Oregon: a burst of social-media activity calling the massacre a fake, a stage play by “crisis actors” for political purposes.

“After every mass shooting, dozens of them, there would be these strange clusters of activity,” Starbird says. “It was so fringe we kind of laughed at it.

“That was a terrible mistake. We should have been studying it.”


Starbird is in the field of “crisis informatics,” or how information flows after a disaster. She got into it to see how social media might be used for the public good, such as to aid emergency responders.

Instead SHE’S GONE DOWN A DARK RABBIT HOLE, ONE THAT WENDS THROUGH THE BACK WARRENS OF THE WEB AND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

Starbird argues in a new paper, set to be presented at a computational social-science conference in May, that THESE “STRANGE CLUSTERS” OF WILD CONSPIRACY TALK, WHEN MAPPED, POINT TO AN EMERGING ALTERNATIVE MEDIA ECOSYSTEM ON THE WEB OF SURPRISING POWER AND REACH.

IT FEATURES SITES SUCH AS INFOWARS.COM, HOSTED BY INFORMAL PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ADVISER ALEX JONES, WHICH HAS PUSHED A RANGE OF CONSPIRACIES, INCLUDING THAT THE SANDY HOOK SCHOOL SHOOTING WAS A STAGED FAKE.

There are dozens of other conspiracy-propagating websites such as beforeitsnews.com, nodisinfo.com and veteranstoday.com. Starbird cataloged 81 of them, linked through a huge community of interest connected by shared followers on Twitter, with many of the tweets replicated by automated bots.

Infowars.com alone is roughly equivalent in visitors and page views to the Chicago Tribune
, according to Alexa.com, the web-traffic analysis firm.

“More people are dipping into this stuff than I ever imagined,” Starbird says.

STARBIRD IS IN THE UW’S DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN CENTERED DESIGN & ENGINEERING — THE STUDY OF THE WAYS PEOPLE AND TECHNOLOGY INTERACT. HER TEAM ANALYZED 58 MILLION TWEETS SENT AFTER MASS SHOOTINGS DURING A 10-MONTH PERIOD. THEY SEARCHED FOR TERMS SUCH AS “FALSE FLAG” AND “CRISIS ACTOR,” WEB SLANG MEANING A SHOOTING IS NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR THE TRADITIONAL MEDIA IS REPORTING IT TO BE.

It happens after every mass shooting or attack. If you search for “false flag” and “Westminster,” you’ll find thousands of results theorizing that last week’s attack outside British Parliament was staged (presumably to bring down Brexit, which makes no sense, but making sense is not a prerequisite).

Starbird’s insight was to map the digital connections between all this buzzing on Twitter with a conglomeration of websites. Then she analyzed the content of each site to try to answer the question: Just what is this alternative media ecosystem saying?

It isn’t a traditional left-right political axis, she found. There are right-wing sites like Danger & Play and left-wing sensationalizers such as The Free Thought Project. Some appear to be just trying to make money, while others are aggressively pushing political agendas.

THE TRUE COMMON DENOMINATOR, SHE FOUND, IS ANTI-GLOBALISM — DEEP SUSPICION OF FREE TRADE, MULTINATIONAL BUSINESS AND GLOBAL INSTITUTIONS.

“TO BE ANTIGLOBALIST OFTEN INCLUDED BEING ANTI-MAINSTREAM MEDIA, ANTI-IMMIGRATION, ANTI-SCIENCE, ANTI-U.S. GOVERNMENT, AND ANTI-EUROPEAN UNION,” Starbird says.

So it was like the mind of Stephen Bannon, chief adviser to Trump, spilled across the back channels of the web.

MUCH OF IT WAS STRANGELY PRO-RUSSIAN, TOO — PERHAPS DUE TO RUSSIAN TWITTER BOTS THAT BOMBARDED SOCIAL CHANNELS DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN (A PHENOMENON THAT’S NOW PART OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION INTO THE ELECTION, McClatchy reported last week).

The mainstream press periodically waded into this swamp, but it only backfired. Its occasional fact checks got circulated as further evidence: "If the media is trying to debunk it, then the conspiracy must be true."

Starbird is publishing her paper as a sort of warning. THE INFORMATION NETWORKS WE’VE BUILT ARE ALMOST PERFECTLY DESIGNED TO EXPLOIT PSYCHOLOGICAL VULNERABILITIES TO RUMOR.

“Your brain tells you ‘Hey, I got this from three different sources,’ ” she says. “But YOU DON’T REALIZE IT ALL TRACES BACK TO THE SAME PLACE, AND MIGHT HAVE EVEN REACHED YOU VIA BOTS POSING AS REAL PEOPLE. If we think of this as a virus, I wouldn’t know how to vaccinate for it.”

STARBIRD SAYS SHE’S CONCLUDED, PROVOCATIVELY, THAT WE MAY BE HEADED TOWARD “THE MENACE OF UNREALITY — WHICH IS THAT NOBODY BELIEVES ANYTHING ANYMORE.” ALEX JONES, SHE SAYS, IS “A KIND OF PROPHET. THERE REALLY IS AN INFORMATION WAR FOR YOUR MIND. AND WE’RE LOSING IT.”

I sat dumbfounded for a time as she spooled through tweets in her database: an archive of endless, baseless speculation that nevertheless is evidence of a political revolution. It should be unnecessary to say, but real humans died in these shootings. How disgustingly cruel it is to the survivors to have the stories of those deaths altered and twisted for commercial or ideological ends.

Starbird sighed. “I used to be a techno-utopian. Now I can’t believe that I’m sitting here talking to you about all this.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/uw-professor-the-information-war-is-real-and-were-losing-it/



Thanks SWAMP,
I would really like to have a meeting we this,
ASSISTANT
of
HUMAN CENTERED DESIGN & ENGINEERING
maybe a couple of drinks, since she is
NOT
a Professor, sounds more like the,
BERNAYSEASTIC, INSTITUTE
for future, teachings,
as the pendulum swings, so does thought,
sometimes words are not needed, so be careful,
IN YOUR EAR ?
DO U C WHAT I C ?
favorite movie character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVbxnohasMc

I find, many things, in the official story, of many events,
that don't make sense/cents, that make dollars.

the show must go on
.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Mar 31st, 2017, 4:51pm






So all you pssy hats out there.. remember the honey badger !! grin grin cool
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Mar 31st, 2017, 5:01pm

And for your reading pleasure.....


Breaking: FBI Uncovers Evidence That 62 Million Trump Voters are All Russian Agents


Yuri Silverbaum
New York Times
March 28, 2017

Anonymous sources within the FBI have revealed to The Times that they have new evidence indicating that everyone who voted for Donald Trump is an agent of the FSB (formerly the KGB). An unknown portion of these voters may have had their minds controlled by a Russian space-beam, agents close to the investigation say.

The allegation that 62 million Americans appear to be employed by Russian intelligence services has rocked the Bureau, and it is reported that multiple agents have taken their own lives, given that realizing just how deep this Russian hacking conspiracy runs blew their minds – literally.

This shocking new revelation comes after it was confirmed as a fact that Russia did Wikileaks because Donald Trump personally called Vladimir Putin and asked him to. It was also revealed earlier this week that Alex Jones (real name “Alexi Jonesinov”) is a Russian sleeper agent who was ordered by the FSB (formerly the KGB) to post news articles on the internet saying that Donald Trump would be a good President.

However, the revelation that 62 million Americans are taking orders directly from the Kremlin is a revelation of a whole other order, which FBI agents are struggling with how to deal with.

It was determined by Puerto Rican federal judge Mizu Tomazaki that it is a crime to support Donald Trump or to post positive things about him on the internet. 9th circuit judges Weinberg, Steinman and Goldenstein upheld the ruling. Despite this, the logistics of rounding up 62 million people and locking them in prison present a difficult task to overcome.

It may also be that not every voter is a direct agent of the FSB (formerly the KGB), and some may have been under the control of a mind control beam in space.

“We have not determined for sure that everyone who voted for Trump was paid directly by the Kremlin, given that it is highly possible that the Russians used a space-beam from a satellite to control their brains from a facility in St. Petersburg, and moved their bodies like puppets to the polls to check the Trump box,” one current agent familiar with the investigation told the times, describing the process of using a satellite-mounted space-beam to control people’s actions as “Russian neuro-brain hacking.”

This method was developed by the KGB, which became the FSB following the fall of the USSR.

What we know for a fact is that the only reason anyone would vote for Donald Trump is that they were being influenced, whether through cash payments, blackmail or space beams, by Russian agents from the FSB (formerly the KGB).

“If people were not beholden to Russia, they would have voted for Hillary Clinton,” a senior agent said, citing a definitive analysis by CrowdStrike, a contractor hired by the DNC to investigate Russian space-beam mind control.

When asked for comment on these reports by The Times, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the allegations of space-beam mind control by the FSB (formerly the KGB) were “ridiculous,” “outrageous” and “goofy.”

Senator Chuck Schumer called the response from Peskov “predictable,” adding, “what do you expect from the criminal Putinist regime that kills journalists, oppresses gays, invaded the Ukraine, murdered innocent Syrians and hacked our elections by controlling people’s brains with a space-beam?”

Upon hearing of the revelation of the fact that 62 million American voters are working directly for Russia, Senator John McCain has called for mass arrests. He referred to all Trump voters as “radical traitors to the core values and principles of democracy and human rights,” and demanded they be imprisoned and their homes given over to Syrian refugees.

Taking a softer stance, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan tilted his head, smiled and said he doesn’t know what’s going on.

NSA chief Mike Rogers said that though it is a well-established fact that going all the way back to Soviet times, the Russians have used space-beams to control people’s brains, he’s “never seen anything on this scale before.”

The Times also sought comment from President Trump; however, when asked about these allegations, he began screaming in Russian and jumped in a big truck and drove off down the road.

http://www.dailystormer.com/breaking-fbi-uncovers-evidence-that-62-million-trump-voters-are-all-russian-agents/



BUSTED: Here’s How Much Russia Gave To The Clinton Foundation…


March 26, 2017, The Truth Division

A Russian funded, Moscow-based technology organization has been discovered to have given tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation during then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s tenure, according to a bombshell new report.

As President Obama’s top diplomat, Clinton oversaw and facilitated the State Department’s failed five-year project to “reset” U.S.-Russia relations, which spurred the creation of Skolkovo, a research facility known as Russia’s version of Silicon Valley.

Yet 17 of the 28 American, European, and Russian companies that participated in the Skolkovo initiative were Clinton Foundation donors or sponsored speeches for former President Bill Clinton.

The amount of money given to the foundation from “key” Skolkovo partners ranges from $6.5 to $23.5 million, according to Clinton Foundation data. The foundation only discloses donations in ranges, making it difficult to track the exact amount.

John Chambers, the head of Cisco and member of the Skolkovo Foundation, for example, donated between $1 million to $5 million to the Clinton Foundation, according to the report. Intel Corporation–formerly headed by Craig Barrett, who served on the board of the Skolkovo Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative–has given between $250,000 and $500,000 to the Clinton foundation.

The FBI and U.S. Army determined that Skolkovo had transformed into a “dangerous pathway” for Russian technological espionage and boosted the military’s technological capabilities.

Many Skolkovo research projects used “dual-use” technologies, meaning the operations have both civilian and military uses, the report said.

Among Skolkovo’s technological innovations were Russian hypersonic cruise missile engines, radar surveillance equipment, and vehicles built to deliver airborne Russian troops, Schweizer wrote in the Wall Street Journal.

There is great irony in the fact that the Clinton’s collected millions from a Russian technology firm that could throw an election into chaos, yet blame President Trump for doing exactly what they did.

http://thetruthdivision.com/2017/03/oops-heres-much-russia-donated-clinton-foundation/

cool grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 2nd, 2017, 2:25pm




xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! 4/02/17 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Flynn Initially Left Russian Income Off Disclosure"

On at 22:30


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 2nd, 2017, 3:05pm




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Apr 2nd, 2017, 3:52pm

"xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! 4/12/17 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"



Erno, have you been time traveling again?! I thought they told you to stop doing that! cool
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Apr 3rd, 2017, 3:15pm

on Apr 2nd, 2017, 3:52pm, Swamprat wrote:
"xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! 4/12/17 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"



Erno, have you been time traveling again?! I thought they told you to stop doing that! cool


My bad...but thanks, for making me aware of my numerical error. smiley
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 3rd, 2017, 4:24pm



And you can fly, high as a kite, if you want to
Faster than light if you want to.
Speeding through the universe,
thinking is the best way to travel.

I'd offer a prize for guessing the source, But y'all will Google it anyway.

Except the greybeards who probably remember it coming out.

INT21 smiley
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Apr 3rd, 2017, 4:29pm

Sounds like acid must be moody blues wink


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Apr 4th, 2017, 06:08am

sad

The liberals, they won’t go away, like the energizer bunny they keep going and going.

User Image

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Apr 4th, 2017, 09:01am

Cartoon by Gary McCoy, Cagle Cartoons

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 4th, 2017, 4:28pm

Tommi.

...Sounds like acid must be moody blues...

One lump or two, my dear ?

Can you name my friend who liked them ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Apr 4th, 2017, 7:15pm

on Apr 4th, 2017, 4:28pm, INT21 wrote:
Tommi.

...Sounds like acid must be moody blues...

One lump or two, my dear ?

Can you name my friend who liked them ?

HAL
INT21


Harvey? A white rabbit?


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 5th, 2017, 09:38am

...Harvey? A white rabbit?..


No, It's Jack.

'My friend jack eats sugar lumps'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNdLt24eOlc

HAL
INT21 cool
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Apr 5th, 2017, 11:56am


Groovy cool


Didn't like that too much though and the next thing that played on You Tube was this:



It's actually really good.

Kinda bluesy



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Suzy on Apr 5th, 2017, 1:03pm

on Apr 5th, 2017, 09:38am, INT21 wrote:
...Harvey? A white rabbit?..


No, It's Jack.

'My friend jack eats sugar lumps'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNdLt24eOlc

HAL
INT21 cool


Here's one from 67 Hal. kiss


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jj3wZVc7nw

grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Cliff-67 on Apr 5th, 2017, 1:35pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3_QhmQHvc


cool
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 5th, 2017, 2:14pm

Suzy,

From, if my memory serves me well, from the 'Crown of Creation' album.

One of my all time favorites.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 5th, 2017, 2:28pm

addendum,

It seems it is from 'Surrealistic Pillow', not 'Crown of creation' (which I have on the turntable right now. (You guys remember turntables ?). as I haven't got that one I must also have it on a compilation album. must look it up.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 5th, 2017, 2:31pm

Cliff,

Haven't heard 'Doors' for a while.

We're wandering way off topic here.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 5th, 2017, 2:40pm

Tommi,

You mean 'Cadillac' by The Renegades ?

I can't see any youtube postings here without the Http address.

Still have that problem with my XP.

May go back to Linux again.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Cliff-67 on Apr 5th, 2017, 2:40pm


My bad. embarassed

It seems people are trippin' over Trump.


Cliff



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:12pm

Cliff,

...It seems people are trippin' over Trump. ..

It took me a minute or two, but I got there; nice one.

HAL
INT21 smiley
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Cliff-67 on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:20pm

on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:12pm, INT21 wrote:
Cliff,

...It seems people are trippin' over Trump. ..

It took me a minute or two, but I got there; nice one.

HAL
INT21 smiley


Thx ! wink

grin

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:20pm

on Apr 5th, 2017, 2:40pm, INT21 wrote:
Tommi,

You mean 'Cadillac' by The Renegades ?

I can't see any youtube postings here without the Http address.

Still have that problem with my XP.

May go back to Linux again.

HAL
INT21


Use Firefox when you use this site and you will see all the videos as you used to be able to on XP.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:27pm


Can I say something? ... We are f*ck*d..... big time.

Here's something that isn't well known because the site is used by the police and intelligence agencies to identify jihadi organizations with them emblems and other marks..

But take a look!!

http://jihadintel.meforum.org/identifiers/

All of these represent jihadi groups ready willing and in one way or another determined to undermine and conquer the west.

You want to see something else real interesting:

A hacker who used to work in the military and is kinda well known as Jester, put together a site that scans in real time a lot of social media and this part of the site will pull up jihadi chatter over twitter.

http://internetawacs.jesterscourt.cc/launchfeed-dronebait.php





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:27pm

Anyone who watched the meeting between Pres Trump and King Abdullah will be aware of Trump's epiphany regarding Syria.

But all please be aware that NOBODY has yet identified positively who is responsible for the gas attack.
All we have is that the rebels are saying it was the government. No one is reporting seeing where the 'bomb' came from.

Ask yourselves, why would Assad do this when he is winning ?
He would risk falling out with both Russia and Iran.

He has a large part of his country back under his control.

Using chemical weapons would jeopardize all he has gained.

But there are people out there who will gain by either intensifying and continuing the war.

And it could drag America and Europe further in. Maybe that was the plan.

I don't think Assad did it.

But the spin doctors already have him down as the culprit.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:32pm

I just want to be sure everyone sees this..

so.. burp:


Can I say something? ... We are f*ck*d..... big time.

Here's something that isn't well known because the site is used by the police and intelligence agencies to identify jihadi organizations with their emblems and other marks..

But take a look!!

http://jihadintel.meforum.org/identifiers/

All of these represent jihadi groups ready willing and in one way or another determined to undermine and conquer the west.

You want to see something else real interesting:

A hacker who used to work in the military and is kinda well known as Jester, put together a site that scans in real time a lot of social media and this part of the site will pull up jihadi chatter over twitter.

http://internetawacs.jesterscourt.cc/launchfeed-dronebait.php

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:36pm

Yes HAL, I get what you are saying. Russia says it was a stash of sarin gas held by enemy forces in a residential area that got taken out..

I know.. a lot of it doesn't make sense as you say and seems like a pretext to war and I suppose.. either way.. something has to give..


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Suzy on Apr 5th, 2017, 11:08pm

on Apr 5th, 2017, 2:40pm, Cliff-67 wrote:
My bad. embarassed

It seems people are trippin' over Trump.


Cliff




Like, "Pink Elephants On Parade" ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoysQe-2HS4

kiss


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 6th, 2017, 11:53am

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Rep. David Nunes Steps Aside From Russian Probe!!


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 6th, 2017, 11:58am




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 6th, 2017, 12:07pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Bannon Loses Spot as an NSC insider!!


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Apr 6th, 2017, 12:11pm

on Apr 5th, 2017, 3:27pm, INT21 wrote:
Anyone who watched the meeting between Pres Trump and King Abdullah will be aware of Trump's epiphany regarding Syria.

But all please be aware that NOBODY has yet identified positively who is responsible for the gas attack.
All we have is that the rebels are saying it was the government. No one is reporting seeing where the 'bomb' came from.

Ask yourselves, why would Assad do this when he is winning ?
He would risk falling out with both Russia and Iran.

He has a large part of his country back under his control.

Using chemical weapons would jeopardize all he has gained.

But there are people out there who will gain by either intensifying and continuing the war.

And it could drag America and Europe further in. Maybe that was the plan.

I don't think Assad did it.

But the spin doctors already have him down as the culprit.

HAL
INT21







Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 6th, 2017, 12:18pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 6th, 2017, 12:23pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 6th, 2017, 3:33pm

Erno.

re post 457 above.

I can only see my own post being echoed back to me.

I'm sorry, but if there is some other message in the form of, say, a youtube post, I just can't see it. This is down to a problem with my computer.

You'll have to add some text.

I'll go on to Linux later and have another look.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 6th, 2017, 3:39pm

China's president arrives in Florida.
And an hour later so does Pres Trump.

If the most important man from your most important trading partner was coming half way around the world to visit you, wouldn't it be polite to be there to greet him ?

But maybe if you had spent the last six months maligning him and his country you were feeling a little apprehensive. Let the Secretary of State break the ice.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Apr 6th, 2017, 9:31pm

on Apr 6th, 2017, 3:39pm, INT21 wrote:
China's president arrives in Florida.
And an hour later so does Pres Trump.

If the most important man from your most important trading partner was coming half way around the world to visit you, wouldn't it be polite to be there to greet him ?

But maybe if you had spent the last six months maligning him and his country you were feeling a little apprehensive. Let the Secretary of State break the ice.

HAL
INT21


Interesting point HAL,
do you know what it is like?
you do not pay US TAXES,
but you are most, adamant,
about your position, "KEWL"
To be more credible with the ones who do pay
US TAXES
might want to share your method of conclusion,
PLEASE

cuz i am certain
no one knows what it is like
http://www.gematrix.org/?word=no+one+knows+what+it+is+like

unless you wish to declare your self as,
"NO ONE"


kiss

cuz i have been called that many times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA

kiss
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 7th, 2017, 10:26am

MOKSHA,

A vehicle has just plowed into a crowd in Sweden.

I know this though I don't pay Swedish taxes.

how can that be ?

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MOKSHA on Apr 7th, 2017, 8:16pm

on Apr 7th, 2017, 10:26am, INT21 wrote:
MOKSHA,

A vehicle has just plowed into a crowd in Sweden.

I know this though I don't pay Swedish taxes.

how can that be ?

HAL
INT21


HOW, yes, is this not the question?
I assume, you missed my point about US TAXES, maybe I'm wrong,
but "HOW" would you know how it is like,
to be a US TAX payer/voter,
please correct me if I missed, what you posted about,
US voters made a mistake by electing Trump.

When Trump said
"we have a rigged system"
I believed him.

From my position, when the clowns and the jokers,
sing the same song, and others wave pom poms, shows,
me evidence of hypnosis, a agenda coming to light.

My point about US TAXES, I'll make clear now,
Many people like me, do not want our US TAXES,
serving the interest of any group, who our focused,
outside US BORDERS.
PERIOD

Since hypnosis is much bigger of a issue than most consider.
I surrender these songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aAqgAu1f5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WROJl6QtNMk

PS, I know your a smart guy
HAL, many of the
CASEBOOK MEMBERS ARE

pss
I am working on putting these words to Music.
I HAVE ENOUGH CREDIT
TO BUY THE MILKY WAY
SAD TO SAY
THE EARTH WENT
A DIFFERENT WAY
SO SAD TO SAY
EARTH WENT A DIFFERENT WAY
BOUGHT AND SOLD SHE WAS
TO WHO
IS STILL JUST FUZZ


MW



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 8th, 2017, 11:44am

MOKSHA,

Off course I don't know how it feels to pay American taxes. But I do know how it feels to pay UK taxes.
Particularly the horrible 20% VAT. I understand that You guys are possibly going to get a taste of that.

Whilst the greater proportion of your/our taxes should go on your/our countries, there has to be some spent on other countries and services to help keep the world ticking over.
Or the situation becomes rather like the board game Monopoly. I only played that game once. And it immediately became obvious that the person who owned one particular street couldn't be beaten. Thus, like our financial system, the system is rigged.

The reason I think it was a mistake to elect Trump was, and still is, because he promised you the world. Anyone with two working brain cells can see that all the jobs that were easy manufacturing jobs that anyone could do would be done in some far east country where the labour costs are a fraction of the costs in America. This is because the overall cost of living in these places is also a fraction of what it costs to live in, say, America or the UK.

Western labour cost have been the end of simple industry. If Trump expects these low skill jobs to return to America then he can be assured that they will be done by robots. Not people, automation.
The sort of Job that Young Mike, straight out of grade school and with few if any qualifications can just walk into and start the next day, are over. Very few exist.

And the people who eat at the same trough as Trump and his buddies make their money from investing or producing goods abroad in cheap labour countries and selling them to wealthier countries like the ones we live in.

He has fooled you all.

Don't take my word for it. Watch CNBC. look at the way the markets move.

Listen to the people there who know what is going on because they make their money from predicting what is going to happen.
And they don't see the big boom coming.The also see the 'Trump Bump' starting to fall away as it becomes clear that he himself is not finding things as easy as he expected.
The miners in particular are going to be disappointed. America does not need the coal. Power stations prefer gas. Cleaner and much., much easier to use.
The railways are virtually all Diesel or electric. The chemical industry has all the coal it need from current production.

And so it goes on.

Don't worry about the military action that are hogging the headlines. It is smoke screen. Watch the domestic industrial scene. That is where Trumps promises lay.

It does appear that he is trying to weaken the regulation on home buying. Wasn't it the sub-prime housing market that nearly killed the banks in 2008 ?

The job figures for the quarter indicate that the job market is already at almost full employment. Somewhere about 75%. The quarters new jobs were less that 25% the expected.

Anyway, end of sermon.

I really do hope for the best for America (and everyone else) as there is no future for us all in any other scenario. And 'America First' ? I see his point, but it will lead to isolationism, and will make your pay packet buy much less than it does now.

Trump is used to being the big guy who makes offers people can't refuse. Not any more.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by ZETAR on Apr 8th, 2017, 12:14pm

HAL,

YOU DEVELOPED WELL THOUGHT OUT DISCUSSION UNTIL >>> "Don't take my word for it. Watch CNBC" <<< YOU BROUGHT IN THAT JOURNALISTIC BASTION OF TRUTH ~ wink

User Image

SHALOM...Z




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 8th, 2017, 12:28pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YFLBjR-swo
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Apr 8th, 2017, 12:34pm

ZETAR,

I didn't mean you have to believe them, I just meant that it gives you a view into what the companies are doing.

I just watch the graphs and, taking into account what is happening in the world, try to predict what will happen next. It's a game for me. But there again, I don't live in America.

The talking heads often get it wrong.

I wondered why Caterpillar wasn't moving as it seemed that their equipment should be in demand. That kind of thing.

But, I did predict (don't know if it was here or on another site) that when Trump was elected there would be a sharp rise in the S&P industrials (SPI), and there was.
I reasoned this would happen based on what Trump was promising, and that many people would take it as a short term thing, and everyone was going to get rich quick. Or at least get a job with better pay.

But I also predicted that the players would let the price shoot up, then take the money and run before the shine wore off it. And they did. Now the SPI is not doing so well. Gradually dropping back to what it was before Trump was elected.

And I can here all you good folk saying 'If your so clever, why are you not rich ?'

Maybe I am.

HAL
INT21

(No, I'm not rich) grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 8th, 2017, 2:18pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTuU4DBfXu4
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 9th, 2017, 12:27pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAbFhnIVog




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7kenX3Vu8
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 9th, 2017, 1:09pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


"Administration is 'partially to blame' for Syria chemical attack, McCain says"

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/administration-is-partially-to-blame-for-syria-chemical-attack-says/ar-BBzByK9?li=BB
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 9th, 2017, 1:53pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yq2CXkrZpo
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Apr 9th, 2017, 2:02pm

"Wilkerson: Trump attack on Syria driven by domestic politics"




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah14yOHWrGY
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MOKSHA on Apr 10th, 2017, 08:28am

on Apr 8th, 2017, 11:44am, INT21 wrote:
MOKSHA,

Or the situation becomes rather like the board game Monopoly.

He has fooled you all.

And so it goes on.

Anyway, end of sermon.

HAL
INT21


After the game is played, the pieces go back into the
BOX, and the board always wins.

"He has fooled you all"
That depends, on if one thinks, ELECTED vs SELECTED.

Yes the show must go on, "FREAK SHOW".
Thanks for the sermon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt49DsfKDMc

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MW
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Post by Sys_Config on Apr 10th, 2017, 12:28pm

I lean to Selected sadly.
This site did a translation of that mystical Economist cover with trump

it says selected and the hermit leading the population out of chaos is the Rothschilds

'”http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21706470-theresa-mays-ministers-are-carefully-avoiding-specific-answers-she-systematically
SOME 77 days have passed since Britain voted on June 23rd to leave the European Union. Yet this period has been strangely reminiscent of 77 years ago, after Neville Chamberlain declared war on Nazi Germany: a

77 days from innauguration to bombing..these people play by the numbers
http://www.thedeepzone.com/2016/12/the-leaked-2017-economist-planet-trump.html
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Post by INT21 on Apr 10th, 2017, 3:39pm

Sys,

...SOME 77 days have passed since Britain voted on June 23rd to leave the European Union. Yet this period has been strangely reminiscent of 77 years ago, after Neville Chamberlain declared war on Nazi Germany: ..

We're not in any hurry. We have been around for a long time and have a lot of history with all the countries involved.

It will be fine.

HAL
INT21
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 13th, 2017, 3:44pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGFel-fhGkw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCcw2sPlplY



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Post by Erno86 on Apr 20th, 2017, 4:04pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49x3HZweRpU
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 20th, 2017, 4:09pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qYeX-6ySMs
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Post by Swamprat on Apr 20th, 2017, 4:20pm

What the heck is this, a contest to see who is MORE mentally ill. Trump or Olbermann?! I have to say, I think Keith is leading! sad
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 20th, 2017, 4:26pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RvfzFv3c6Y
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 20th, 2017, 4:30pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MFIRoHHg3g
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 25th, 2017, 3:17pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWIFd9jx2dQ
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JghI3-IUM3U
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 25th, 2017, 3:23pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umIUrYlKDPY
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 25th, 2017, 4:06pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


"Judge Blocks Part of Trump's Sanctuary Cities Executive Order"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uyakR-_VsY
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 25th, 2017, 4:10pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYbsN5WImrU
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Post by Erno86 on Apr 29th, 2017, 1:10pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctHj7R35dL0
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Post by Erno86 on May 1st, 2017, 4:20pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpqTpzg3hYE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmnGSvbrWiY
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Post by tommi01 on May 5th, 2017, 4:14pm

I think what Trump is trying to do is to take the situation out of the influence of the Freedom Caucus of the Republican party. Of course, nobody can say this plainly, but the bill as it is now passed can not be recalled or further influenced by these dinosaur idiots of the right wing.

I think the taxes which played into this bill and the removal for the wealthy also had to happen to allow their tax reform to scale without being tied up the way it was with the health bill.. We'll see.. But I think our so called Republican president is playing the long game and he just out gamed the dino's.


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on May 8th, 2017, 11:50am

At least I fricking hope so........

rolleyes sigh..


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Post by Erno86 on May 8th, 2017, 1:36pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GBZWPEgWf0
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Post by Erno86 on May 8th, 2017, 1:45pm





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZXNqic_Zi8
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Post by Erno86 on May 8th, 2017, 1:49pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or8edpMeDk0
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Post by MrGort on May 9th, 2017, 12:40pm

He sounds like a Colbert.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/09/north-korea-insults-pyongyangs-putdowns-target-obama-clinton-kerry.html

Among the worst insults directed at former President Barack Obama, North Korea in 2014 branded him a “juvenile delinquent,” “clown” and a “dirty fellow.” Obama, the KCNA statement said, was somebody who “does not even have the basic appearances of a human being.”
Earlier that year, an unidentified North Korean spokesperson called ex-Secretary of State John Kerry a “wolf donning the mask of sheep” who had a “hideous lantern jaw.”
Kerry’s predecessor, Hillary Clinton, was described in 2009 as “by no means intelligent” and a “funny lady.”
“Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping,” an unnamed North Korean source said.


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Post by Erno86 on May 9th, 2017, 3:46pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0_pm8Sl0rQ
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Post by Erno86 on May 9th, 2017, 3:51pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIg1DfS9LE
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Post by Erno86 on May 9th, 2017, 3:57pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU2qLnAhFac
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Post by Erno86 on May 9th, 2017, 4:01pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9YU82Wbs8
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on May 9th, 2017, 5:19pm

Well after 8 years and an illegal attempt to preserve his piss poor legacy (the Hillary campaign) failed miserably.

Can you say hypocrisy?


http://thehill.com/homenews/news/330337-obama-to-net-400k-for-wall-street-speech-report






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Post by Erno86 on May 10th, 2017, 2:57pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v70BsGolxKg
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Post by Erno86 on May 10th, 2017, 3:18pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIpkede_MYY
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Post by Erno86 on May 10th, 2017, 3:23pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNoP8cmuFU0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzybrsJjf3M
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8OxILuXrEU
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Post by Erno86 on May 13th, 2017, 12:15pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoEc2kCDCTE
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Post by Erno86 on May 13th, 2017, 1:08pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Km61zguhFI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pybklc-3cI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpUcfpbnrs
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Post by Erno86 on May 14th, 2017, 2:16pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFpEMM1Pkk
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Post by LoneGunMan on May 15th, 2017, 10:44am

Just thought you'd like some real genuine news Erno !!!

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Reasoner on May 15th, 2017, 12:57pm

LOL

Maybe I need to be beamed up. Things seem crazy. Which reminds me of a joke that I'm going to appropriate and mangle.

If you bump into a crazy person in the morning, well, you had an encounter with a crazy person. If you bump into crazy people all day long, you're the crazy.

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Post by Swamprat on May 15th, 2017, 2:38pm

Hey Trevor! SHUT UP ALREADY!! angry


Trump: White house to go blue tonight to honor fallen law enforcement officers

May 15, 2017

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In addition to the flag flying at half-mast on Peace Officers Memorial Day in memory of all who have fallen in the line of duty, the White House will be illuminated in a bluish hue.

“During Peace Officers Memorial Day and Police Week, we honor the men and women of law enforcement who have been killed or disabled in the course of serving our communities. Police officers are the thin blue line whose sacrifices protect and serve us every day, and we pledge to support them as they risk their lives to safeguard ours,” Trump said in the text of the proclamation.

According to The Hill, the proclamation noted the 118 officers who died last year, with 66 referred to as “victims of malicious attacks.” The statistic is a 40% increase from the previous year, according to the administration.

http://www.leoaffairs.com/featured/trump-white-house-go-blue-tonight-honor-fallen-law-enforcement-officers/


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on May 15th, 2017, 2:59pm

Too bad Trump threw Comey under the bus --- And as for Jeff Sessions...he probably owns stock in privately run prisons, so he can profit off of all the sentenced prisoners that he wants to send to jail.

I despise that racist southerner Jeff Sessions with a passion, including Trump and the rest of his henchmen.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on May 15th, 2017, 5:17pm

So what's your best guess, Erno? Is he gonna get impeached?

Will history say he had a negative or positive impact on Washington politics? On the American people? On the world?

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Post by Reasoner on May 15th, 2017, 5:53pm

Just checking in to see how unflagging Trump's support still is.

Flash poll:
Did Trump share classified information with Lavrov because
a) Wants to help Russians with managing Syria, and the info would really help?
b) Whoops!
c) A and B
d) Don't tell me the President can reveal classified information with impunity. I already know. Don't choose D. D is a phony answer. If you do, I will be cross. I'm serious. Super serious. Stop reading D. REALLY! How is your day? This is the longest answer ever.
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Post by Reasoner on May 15th, 2017, 5:58pm

Look I know poop happens. Nobody's perfect. Even presidents. I think I'd be less irritated with this, if Trump were a generic president, but he's ever the showman. In the end, hopefully, this doesn't compromise anything too badly, and it just is a PR black eye.

The biggest question I have is how will Trump react. Presidential? At least remain mum on the whoops? This cuts to the chase of the thread title. Will Trump manage his response to the error made, or will he immediately blame someone else and go on a twitter rant about it?
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Post by Reasoner on May 15th, 2017, 7:05pm

And the follow-up to Trump revealing classified info to the Russians is "No he didn't. I was there." (McMaster)

So, that's where we are. Sources and the mainstream media vs. the Trump administration. One side could be lying. Or one side could have got duped. The truth remains in the weeds.
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Post by MrGort on May 16th, 2017, 07:43am

No wonder they keep pushing the Russian conspiracy theory. To divert attention from their own cutthroat wickedness.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/16/slain-dnc-staffer-had-contact-with-wikileaks-investigator-says.html


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Post by Reasoner on May 16th, 2017, 11:09am

http://origin-nyi.thehill.com/homenews/news/333555-family-of-slain-dnc-staffer-slams-report-he-had-contact-with-wikileaks

Relevant points:
a) "As we've seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press," a spokesperson for the family said in a statement, according to BuzzFeed News.
b) Rod Wheeler, the private investigator
c) Rich's family in the statement also said the services of the private investigator were offered to them and "paid for by a third party." The private investigator also "contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family unless explicitly authorized by the family."

I present these points not to refute any of the claims or suggest that nothing went on. If this is an open-ended investigation, it shouldn't be sitting on a shelf. If it leads to an actual conspiracy, all the wrong doers no matter how high up it goes should be punished.

I do make note that even though there may be flames behind the smoke, this "news" revelation isn't for anything newly discovered. Rod Wheeler is investigating the case, not at the behest of the family (he was offered to the family and is paid by an unknown third party). Even then, as he works for the family, he's supposed to actually, you know, work for the family. He should be updating them, and not updating anyone other than law enforcement without the family's permission.

In essence, it's like proclaiming I'm working for MrGort to discover his incessant republican problem. He didn't ask for me to help with it, and he's not paying me for it, but I'm going to help him. And I'm not gonna tell him what I'm up to. And I'm going to let the world know about all the evils that the republicans have been doing to him, regardless what he thinks of my doing so. And I'm going to make a salacious proclamation right when republicans are hammering on my democratic president for being too glib with our political rivals, the Swedes.
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Post by Reasoner on May 16th, 2017, 11:20am

Again I'm not saying there isn't a conspiracy, but this Soros backed yellow journalist site (Snopes) says that the conspiracy doesn't add up.

http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

That Soros fella is the devil, I tell you. I predict you will know better than to click an obviously fake news site piece.
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Post by purr on May 16th, 2017, 11:49am

on May 15th, 2017, 5:53pm, Reasoner wrote:
Just checking in to see how unflagging Trump's support still is.

Flash poll:
Did Trump share classified information with Lavrov because
a) Wants to help Russians with managing Syria, and the info would really help?
b) Whoops!
c) A and B
d) Don't tell me the President can reveal classified information with impunity. I already know. Don't choose D. D is a phony answer. If you do, I will be cross. I'm serious. Super serious. Stop reading D. REALLY! How is your day? This is the longest answer ever.


Ha, Reasoner don't mean to upset you or anything but if the US president chooses to reveal classified material he legally/in effect DECLASSIFIED it!

(So I do opt d. in your poll grin)

I am both interested and sensitive to the problems posed, mostly on CNN and Dutch media (closely in sinc with US Dem worldview). Imo, conjecture on my part, Trump genuinely, a trade in mind, intended to inform Lavrov/Russian side on a specific method to get a bomb aboard a plane hidden inside a laptop. This specifity indicates reportedly an inside source (inside ISIS operations) is feeding this to US intelligence. Supposedly pres Trump irresponsibly endangered this source, but I don't see the Russians blabbing stuff that protects mother Russia against terrorists. Paradoxically it is whoever leaked that confidential Trump-Lavrov conversation who logically jeopardized the life of a US asset.

So here Donald Trump didn't do wrong methinks. His enemies are playing hardball. Back to the Comey firing, which is much more questionable. I found Fareed Zakaria's carefully reasoned smiley suggestion that the president qualifies for impeachment impressive, though distasteful to Dutch sensibilities preferring America to be stable and strong.


purr
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Post by MrGort on May 16th, 2017, 1:19pm

on May 16th, 2017, 11:49am, purr wrote:
Back to the Comey firing, which is much more questionable.


purr


The Hillary camp is worried that with a new FBI chief the possibility of indictment goes up a notch.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by purr on May 16th, 2017, 2:23pm

on May 16th, 2017, 1:19pm, MrGort wrote:
The Hillary camp is worried that with a new FBI chief the possibility of indictment goes up a notch.


Could be, actually I wasn't looking that far ahead. By "questionable" I meant that from a whole bunch of statements (WH, Trump) and media analysis, speculation, spin etc. it still doesn't seem clear why director Comey had to go. Sure, the president has the power to fire him. But imo he should communicate a compelling reason for doing so to the American people.

MrGort, I don't get it (even though favorably inclined towards the=any American President from a Dutch Citizen's perspective). Which means he's given the devil (or.. all his enemies) room to play...


purr (perhaps a shooting war with North Korea would solve all his domestic problems?)
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on May 16th, 2017, 2:39pm

on May 16th, 2017, 2:23pm, purr wrote:
(perhaps a shooting war with North Korea would solve all his domestic problems?)



It’s what I call over the waterfall, there are too many liberals for Trump to ever reconcile a domestic tranquility.
The reason for this is that there are too many liberal professors in the various colleges and universities.
A student comes out of college liberal. When he actually has to work for living and sees how much of his paycheck goes to the Democrat agenda he just might convert to Republican. Some do, but this maturation takes a long time, and an individual who can think for themselves.

The biggest failing of the Republicans is that they don’t have enough conservative professors in colleges. This is something they should work on seriously.

Some people especially those from the Woodstock hippie generation will never change as you have probably noticed on this board. That free love thing was convincing until AIDS put a crimp on that.

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Post by LoneGunMan on May 16th, 2017, 3:51pm

http://consjournal.com/trump-hating-maxine-waters-caught-with-russian-money-trail/

Trump-hating Maxine Waters Caught with Russian Money Trail
By amorgan
Posted on May 16, 2017

As you may or may not know by now, it has practically become routine for California Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters to call for the impeachment of President Trump due to his alleged ties to Russia. However, interestingly enough, it turns out Waters has a rather large sum of money tied to Russia…via investments.

That’s right. According to Got News, Waters’ most recently available House financial disclosure documents, she held $200,000 in Russia-linked retirement accounts:

California Democrat Representative Maxine Waters held $200,000 in Russia-linked retirement accounts in 2015, even while she hypocritically calls for President Donald J. Trump’s impeachment over his financial connections to Russia, according to her most recently available House financial disclosure documents.

Waters’s cash-grabbing shamelessness has never known bounds. In 2012, she barely squeaked through a three-year House Ethics Committee investigation after abusing her position to funnel $12 million in bailout money to her husband’s bank.

Her Russian investments will surprise no one in her district, where impromptu signs declaring the congresswoman a “poverty pimp” and a race baiter have been popping up for years.

Waters’ 2015 disclosure statement details her family’s investments in BlackRock’s Russia-connected Global Allocation and Balanced funds.

Also, here’s a photo from Got News, detailing her family’s investments in BlackRock’s Russia-connected Global Allocation and Balanced funds:

Furthermore, 2015 SEC filings for both funds advise of their involvement in Russian precious metals and securities:

A Fund may invest in the equity securities of companies that explore for, extract, process or deal in precious metals (e.g., gold, silver and platinum), and in asset-based securities indexed to the value of such metals. … The major producers of gold include the Republic of South Africa, Russia, Canada, the United States, Brazil and Australia. … A Fund may invest a portion of its assets in securities issued by companies located in Russia.

And it doesn’t stop there, either. A Sept. 2015 BlackRock Balanced SEC filing reveals her fund’s nearly $2.8 million in obligations to the Russian Federation.
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Post by Swamprat on May 16th, 2017, 4:41pm

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Post by MrGort on May 16th, 2017, 5:45pm

grin

For Democrats hypocrisy is simply a way life, in the same way that we need to breathe air and eat food.


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-before-trump-fired-fbi-director-james-comey-democrats-wanted-his-dismissal-20170510-story.html


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Post by MrGort on May 17th, 2017, 09:25am

on May 16th, 2017, 11:20am, Reasoner wrote:
Again I'm not saying there isn't a conspiracy, but this Soros backed yellow journalist site (Snopes) says that the conspiracy doesn't add up.

http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

That Soros fella is the devil, I tell you. I predict you will know better than to click an obviously fake news site piece.


More

http://www.dcstatesman.com/flashback-hillary-clinton-pushed-gun-control-seth-rich-murdered/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=dcs&utm_campaign=n51717

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Post by LoneGunMan on May 17th, 2017, 8:41pm

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Reasoner on May 17th, 2017, 8:41pm

You know what is an interesting site? Media Bias / Fact Check

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

I like to see where the messenger is coming from, not necessarily to shoot him, but at least to know what I'm in for. When I browse news, I start with mainstream sites. I know those reporters have journalism backgrounds, and regardless of slant, they are paid to be professionals. That doesn't mean they're right. But it's a good baseline to start with. Then I start looking at the the news from both left and right sites, read the forums to see what the average bloke thinks of what they've read, and go from there.

One thing I've noticed on the right sites in the last couple of days is an extreme ramp up of Seth Rich. It is gaining zero traction in the mainstream public eye, but among the more hardcore right, they are starting to develop a lather. I can only assume it is a sort of emotional burn off because the Trump administration is virtually in flames right now.

With the news of the deputy AG assigning a special counsel to look into the possible Russia collusion, and with Ryan on tape telling other senators to keep quiet about the possibility Trump was being bankrolled by Putin, this is very ugly right now.

By the way, you already know that in my poll, I'm the one that said administration and Congress would be gutted. Sure. Hyperbolic, but IF things continue apace, we're looking at several branches of government being adversely affected with this investigation.

I'm not saying Seth Rich being murdered isn't a conspiracy. Hell, maybe someone in the DNC did whack Rich (I feel this is unlikely, but who knows what may yet be unearthed), but for all the hullabaloo the right is staking on this, it doesn't negate malfeasance in the West Wing. Right now, things APPEAR as if Trump and/or his aides had illegal contact with Russian assets; but even if that turns out not to be true, the obstruction to hide or make this go away is very much out in the open.

As well, beyond all that, Trump is proving to be too volatile and lacking in judgment to make a good president. Were he in the private sector, he would have been fired by now (or removed by the board). Congress is the board of directors, and currently, they are only now just barely starting to think of removing him. If you are holding onto the Seth Rich thing because you think it might save Trump, think again. If you feel strongly that Seth Rich is signs of something greater, regardless, then keep up the fight.

Every day, there is more bad news in Trumpland. Now, it's increasing at a rate of every couple of hours. Forgetting partisanship for a moment, our country is seriously crippled by this. Hyperpartisanship is what created this mess, and that is on both sides. On the one hand, I would love to sweep all the federal seats, regardless of D or R. But the problem with that is there are some that are good at their job, that have experience on governing and procedure. I don't know a good way forward other than whatever remains of Congress offering fig leaves to the other side and commit once again to the dirty words of bipartisanship and compromise.
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Post by MrGort on May 18th, 2017, 06:25am

on May 17th, 2017, 8:41pm, Reasoner wrote:
You know what is an interesting site? Media Bias / Fact Check

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

I like to see where the messenger is coming from, not necessarily to shoot him, but at least to know what I'm in for. When I browse news, I start with mainstream sites. I know those reporters have journalism backgrounds, and regardless of slant, they are paid to be professionals. That doesn't mean they're right. But it's a good baseline to start with. Then I start looking at the the news from both left and right sites, read the forums to see what the average bloke thinks of what they've read, and go from there.

One thing I've noticed on the right sites in the last couple of days is an extreme ramp up of Seth Rich. It is gaining zero traction in the mainstream public eye, but among the more hardcore right, they are starting to develop a lather. I can only assume it is a sort of emotional burn off because the Trump administration is virtually in flames right now.

With the news of the deputy AG assigning a special counsel to look into the possible Russia collusion, and with Ryan on tape telling other senators to keep quiet about the possibility Trump was being bankrolled by Putin, this is very ugly right now.

By the way, you already know that in my poll, I'm the one that said administration and Congress would be gutted. Sure. Hyperbolic, but IF things continue apace, we're looking at several branches of government being adversely affected with this investigation.

I'm not saying Seth Rich being murdered isn't a conspiracy. Hell, maybe someone in the DNC did whack Rich (I feel this is unlikely, but who knows what may yet be unearthed), but for all the hullabaloo the right is staking on this, it doesn't negate malfeasance in the West Wing. Right now, things APPEAR as if Trump and/or his aides had illegal contact with Russian assets; but even if that turns out not to be true, the obstruction to hide or make this go away is very much out in the open.

As well, beyond all that, Trump is proving to be too volatile and lacking in judgment to make a good president. Were he in the private sector, he would have been fired by now (or removed by the board). Congress is the board of directors, and currently, they are only now just barely starting to think of removing him. If you are holding onto the Seth Rich thing because you think it might save Trump, think again. If you feel strongly that Seth Rich is signs of something greater, regardless, then keep up the fight.

Every day, there is more bad news in Trumpland. Now, it's increasing at a rate of every couple of hours. Forgetting partisanship for a moment, our country is seriously crippled by this. Hyperpartisanship is what created this mess, and that is on both sides. On the one hand, I would love to sweep all the federal seats, regardless of D or R. But the problem with that is there are some that are good at their job, that have experience on governing and procedure. I don't know a good way forward other than whatever remains of Congress offering fig leaves to the other side and commit once again to the dirty words of bipartisanship and compromise.


As much as your effort to sound fair and balanced, as if to be applauded ,your liberal slant cannot be concealed. I don’t think the right is a flame with the Seth Rich issue. You could mention Hillary’s emails, Ben Ghazi, Huma Abedin, Weiner, and the FBI freebie. There are many more of course, the IRS scandal and Hillary’s deals with Russia herself but we won’t mention these.

The comment “Trump is proving to be too volatile and lacking in judgment to make a good president” is simply an opinion to which many would disagree. There are no facts to support this just the continual repetition of talking points by the left. Say it often enough and you might think you'll convince somebody.

So, you started out purporting to be fair and balanced but with any liberal the true colors eventually rise to the top, like something else.

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on May 18th, 2017, 5:45pm

Uh oh!



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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on May 19th, 2017, 3:07pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


NYT --- "Trump told Russians: Firing 'nutjob' Comey eased pressure from probe"





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EDP12VmqvM
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on May 19th, 2017, 3:28pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2bg-YK8xXc
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on May 20th, 2017, 08:38am

Another example of hypocrisy from the left. On camera Beckel was quick to point out both his and his father’s devotion and commitment to civil rights issues. And off-camera we see, again, true colors.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox-news-terminates-%E2%80%98the-five%E2%80%99-co-host-bob-beckel/ar-BBBiVY7?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on May 24th, 2017, 3:37pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdskdey9uns
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on May 24th, 2017, 3:44pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70i8gTb3fZQ
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on May 24th, 2017, 3:58pm

"What's Happening To Donald Trump's Head?"




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14HiLa02E3k
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on May 30th, 2017, 4:18pm

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on May 31st, 2017, 02:50am

Here's my thinking - trying to put this to words.. My Liberal friends, not just in the States, some of them artists etc.

They believe they are good people, full of love and without any of the "bigotry" or bad feelings that come when you are besieged with the problems Islamism brings, like here in the UK. They are the "nice" people. They are the true carriers of what is good and they are full of light and good intentions.

Yet, they hate the President, with a venom that is so strong and full of irresponsible accusations that have nothing to do with reality... Yes, many cling to SNL for their "reality check".

So... let's just put this in perspective. These really "good" people are even more out of touch with not only their other dark half they have projected on to Trump, they refuse to acknowledge the realities in the world that are also dark, instead they believe they are the carriers of light, fairness, justice...

Yet, I have never seen such irrational fabrications at a president in my life and these people are hating without any introspection on why they are thinking they are so good... so "Liberal" without realizing they are themselves full on, not wanting to face facts or reality or their hatred..

They really have to dial it back a bit and own the hate themselves because there is nothing in Trump's presidency to justify such out and out venom coming at him from all these really "nice" people.. out there..




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on May 31st, 2017, 05:48am

Then again... sometimes The Donald doesn't exactly help this situation either..

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869858333477523458

rolleyes grin grin grin

It is funny actually.. hope the left still has a sense of humor but I doubt it will work here.. sigh..
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on May 31st, 2017, 07:30am

on May 31st, 2017, 02:50am, tommi01 wrote:
Here's my thinking - trying to put this to words.. My Liberal friends, not just in the States, some of them artists etc.

They believe they are good people, full of love and without any of the "bigotry" or bad feelings that come when you are besieged with the problems Islamism brings, like here in the UK. They are the "nice" people. They are the true carriers of what is good and they are full of light and good intentions.

Yet, they hate the President, with a venom that is so strong and full of irresponsible accusations that have nothing to do with reality... Yes, many cling to SNL for their "reality check".

So... let's just put this in perspective. These really "good" people are even more out of touch with not only their other dark half they have projected on to Trump, they refuse to acknowledge the realities in the world that are also dark, instead they believe they are the carriers of light, fairness, justice...

Yet, I have never seen such irrational fabrications at a president in my life and these people are hating without any introspection on why they are thinking they are so good... so "Liberal" without realizing they are themselves full on, not wanting to face facts or reality or their hatred..

They really have to dial it back a bit and own the hate themselves because there is nothing in Trump's presidency to justify such out and out venom coming at him from all these really "nice" people.. out there..







See how fast their attitude changes when one of their own is a victim of terrorism or even crime. They turn Republican and support wholeheartedly the Second Amendment.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on May 31st, 2017, 3:25pm

Donald J. Trump is a wounded animal and a wounded animal is dangerous.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 1st, 2017, 01:50am

on May 31st, 2017, 3:25pm, Erno86 wrote:
Donald J. Trump is a wounded animal and a wounded animal is dangerous.


Wounded in what way? Besides being incredibly annoying and persistent, grasping at straws, splitting hairs, muck raking for its life.. spending time, effort and the tax payer's currency trying to create a cold war with Russia, an ally with us against ISIS, exactly what does this loony left hope to accomplish?

Here's a clue, if you want to know why Hillary lost, it had less to do with emails and more to do with the associations she made in her campaign to figures that really threaten the security of the country while calling half of the Americans willing to vote for her a "basket of deplorables".

We couldn't believe it to be honest, woke up one morning to find that the future president of the United States had decided that everyone who was sick of Islamiscised snowflake whinging left dingbats were suddenly marked by their nation as a "deplorable". Well that set her up for the fall, but she and the left can't accept how loony they have actually become..


And another thing.... Anthony Weiner's weiner pics didn't help and Huma's family being in the Muslim Brotherhood might have had a chilling effect..
ya think??



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 1st, 2017, 02:09am

All the while of course... pink pussy hats are being knitted by loyal Democrats to prepare for their protest against Trump wearing head scarfs, pink pussy hats or dressed like viginas with the clitoris still intact, a small detail missed by the head scarf wearing brigade I'm sure..

And you wonder why she lost??

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on Jun 1st, 2017, 07:50am

on Jun 1st, 2017, 01:50am, tommi01 wrote:
Wounded in what way? Besides being incredibly annoying and persistent, grasping at straws, splitting hairs, muck raking for its life.. spending time, effort and the tax payer's currency trying to create a cold war with Russia, an ally with us against ISIS, exactly what does this loony left hope to accomplish?

Here's a clue, if you want to know why Hillary lost, it had less to do with emails and more to do with the associations she made in her campaign to figures that really threaten the security of the country while calling half of the Americans willing to vote for her a "basket of deplorables".

We couldn't believe it to be honest, woke up one morning to find that the future president of the United States had decided that everyone who was sick of Islamiscised snowflake whinging left dingbats were suddenly marked by their nation as a "deplorable". Well that set her up for the fall, but she and the left can't accept how loony they have actually become..


And another thing.... Anthony Weiner's weiner pics didn't help and Huma's family being in the Muslim Brotherhood might have had a chilling effect..
ya think??





Pretty much nails it grin grin grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 1st, 2017, 08:45am

Time for some comic relief..... tongue



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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Jun 1st, 2017, 2:54pm

I tried to resist, honestly, but in the end....


...Here's a clue, if you want to know why Hillary lost, it had less to do with emails and more to do with the associations she made in her campaign to figures that really threaten the security of the country while calling half of the Americans willing to vote for her a "basket of deplorables".

Or one could say...

...Here's a clue, if you want to know why Donald won, it had less to do with emails and more to do with the associations he made in his campaign to figures that really threaten the security of the country while calling half of the Americans willing to vote for him "great, fantastic people"...

He then shafted them and continues to do so.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 1st, 2017, 3:50pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvWXstffJBQ
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 1st, 2017, 6:07pm

on Jun 1st, 2017, 02:09am, tommi01 wrote:
And you wonder why she lost??


May i add this please, Maybe she lost cos, half the people she called names,
thinks she is a serial killer, who then laughs about it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqYJRc0TJkQ


kiss
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 1st, 2017, 6:09pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8TibbgVSpo&list=UU9OVdKgPs1_WCIHCGrvXYHA

PLEASE <> ENJOY <> PLEASE

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Suzy on Jun 1st, 2017, 6:32pm


WshockedW that was great ! grin







Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 1st, 2017, 8:14pm

BREAKING! "Covfefe" Mystery Solved! President Trump Wins Again!

June 1, 2017

When President Trump tweeted the word "Covfefe," the world mocked him thinking he was "sleep texting" or just made a huge error. There were millions of memes made within hours of the tweet.

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Sean Spicer addressed the "covfefe" mystery and said it was intentional. After doing some research and using Google Translate, we found "Cov fe'fe" in Arabic means "I will stand up."When put into the context of the tweet, it makes total sense. "Despite the constant negative press, I will stand up."

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Sorry libs, President Trump is a genius and wins again!

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=81271


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 2nd, 2017, 01:21am

Trump is the master troll... cool
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by tommi01 on Jun 2nd, 2017, 01:25am

on Jun 1st, 2017, 2:54pm, INT21 wrote:
I tried to resist, honestly, but in the end....


...Here's a clue, if you want to know why Hillary lost, it had less to do with emails and more to do with the associations she made in her campaign to figures that really threaten the security of the country while calling half of the Americans willing to vote for her a "basket of deplorables".

Or one could say...

...Here's a clue, if you want to know why Donald won, it had less to do with emails and more to do with the associations he made in his campaign to figures that really threaten the security of the country while calling half of the Americans willing to vote for him "great, fantastic people"...

He then shafted them and continues to do so.

HAL
INT21


I tried to resist, but honestly in the end suppose you tell us exactly what you are talking about?

What figures? If you are talking about a belief system called radicalized Islam, that is undoubtedly not "figures". And how is Trump "shafting" the country?


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 2nd, 2017, 09:59am

Trump won for three reasons:

1 -- His opponent was Hillary Clinton.

2 -- America desperately needed someone to turn national politics upside down.

3 -- It was high time for SOMEONE to smack mainstream media in the face.


I despise Trump's position on science investments. I hate Trump's position on climate control. But I thank God every day that HE won and not Hillary.

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Jun 2nd, 2017, 3:41pm

... the associations he made in his campaign to figures that really threaten the security of the country..

Tommi,

I'll try it in yellow.

How would you read that ?

Remember I was paraphrasing.

Jim Comey coming up soon. get you popcorn here.

Shafting . Well, he has just ensured that many countries will not wish to work with him if it is at all possible to avoid doing so. And you guys were doing so well. Not quite the million jobs that he claimed. Nearer six hundred thousand. And not the biggest monthly job increase in the last fifteen years. Closer to the smallest. But he never was good on group sizes.

I wish you all the best in the future (Yes, I know you personally are in the UK), but having watched his speech the only conclusion one can come to is that he is, on a personal level, paranoid.

He believes everyone is out to get America.

He is wrong. But if he carries on like this every one will be trying to avoid y'all.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 2nd, 2017, 4:12pm

I'd say the only one paranoid is you Hal.

I listened to his climate speech about the Paris deal and not remaining in it and a lot of other people did too, Hal.

It was very reasoned.

As usual.. Old Holborn (who is British) sums everything up pretty tightly:

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@Holbornlolz 9h9 hours ago

Retweeted Nikos Chrysoloras

Even Greece is now growing faster than the U.K: Greek Economy Expanded 0.4% in 1Q From Previous Quarter, revised @StatisticsGR reading shows

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Old Holborn✘‏ @Holbornlolz Jun 1

"Climate Change" has only ever been about raising taxes to redistribute wealth in return for votes.

There. I said it.
91 replies 657 retweets 1,132 likes
Reply 91 Retweeted 657
Liked 1.1K

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Old Holborn✘‏ @Holbornlolz Jun 1

Trump has finally done something he was elected to do

Stop the spread of Fabian Socialism via "climate change"
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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Jun 2nd, 2017, 4:30pm

...Even Greece is now growing faster than the U.K:..

I should hope so. It is starting from the lowest point in the EU.

HAL
INT21
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by INT21 on Jun 2nd, 2017, 4:36pm

I know your all out to get me. But that doesn't make me paranoid.

HAL
INT21 kiss
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 2nd, 2017, 4:40pm

Cool for you if you are retired.. Not so cool to have a sh*t economy for the past 7 years because of Tory insanity and austerity for the rest of us..

Meanwhile....


Enough discussion about the flaccid UK economic policies..

Back to men who aren't afraid to be men..

smiley (NSFW or family, you have been warned hehe..)

The Machine..




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 4th, 2017, 2:33pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnxj6_f_2ss
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 5th, 2017, 1:58pm

Erno,
I'm not surprise you picked one of the biggest Bulls**t artists and news twisters in recorded memory as 'truth' !

Do you sop up this BS with a mop or a sponge to the brain??

Lone grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 7th, 2017, 4:07pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY5IwndHDLQ
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 7th, 2017, 4:09pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOh6nOcyvyM
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 7th, 2017, 4:49pm

Oh Noah, you're a HOOT! I just wanna make certain no one thinks this is real news.....:


Trevor Noah is the host of The Daily Show, a satirical news program on Comedy Central, since 28 September 2015.

Within hours of his being announced as Jon Stewart's successor, attention was drawn on the Internet to several jokes that Noah had made through his Twitter account, which were criticized as being offensive to women and Jews, and to be making fun of the Holocaust. Noah responded by tweeting, "To reduce my views to a handful of jokes that didn't land is not a true reflection of my character, nor my evolution as a comedian." Comedy Central stood behind Noah, saying in a statement, "Like many comedians, Trevor Noah pushes boundaries; he is provocative and spares no one, himself included... To judge him or his comedy based on a handful of jokes is unfair. Trevor is a talented comedian with a bright future at Comedy Central." Mary Kluk, chairperson of the South African Jewish Board of Deputies (SAJBD), said that the jokes were not signs of anti-Jewish prejudice and that they were part of Noah's style of comedy.

Noah has said of his comedic influences, "The kings are indisputable. Richard Pryor; [Bill] Cosby; for me personally I didn't know of him before I started comedy but Eddie Murphy changed my view on the thing and I definitely look up to him as a comedic influence. Chris Rock in terms of the modern black comedian and Dave Chappelle. Those are the guys that have laid the foundation and have moved the yardstick for all comedians, not just Black comedians." He also cited Jon Stewart as an influence, following his appointment to succeed Stewart as host of The Daily Show.

Source: Wikipedia

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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Suzy on Jun 7th, 2017, 5:50pm

laugh

https://youtu.be/8kkUzU9OiDI



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 8th, 2017, 03:00am

Thank you SuziQ.. that was great!

I might even risk my life of having any friends and family left (take that left literally..)

By posting it on Facebook.


But meanwhile this is something that is not fake news, I checked it out best I could because I found it so unbelievably horrible, even for Germany.. Germany!! F*ckng hell..
What in the world could be happening when this is ok?


https://heatst.com/culture-wars/elderly-german-woman-fined-1350-euros-for-sharing-anti-migrant-joke-on-facebook/

So wrong.. fricking Germany.. f*cking up the West for over a century now.. But my God, what the hell are they thinking doing this to a woman.. plus calling her "elderly" to boot. Unbelievable.. but unfortunatly true.

Do you know that there are now Twitter and Facebook pages unavailable there now too.. Censored!!

Unbelievable... but unfortunately true. The left is destroying the West..




Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 8th, 2017, 04:29am

on Jun 8th, 2017, 03:00am, tommi01 wrote:
Thank you SuziQ.. that was great!



YES, tommi, it was GREAT,
THANKS SuziQ.

"THE PROBLEM WITH OUR LIBERAL FRIENDS
IS NOT THAT THEY ARE IGNORANT, BUT
THAT THEY KNOW SO MUCH THAT IS NOT SO."

FAKE <> FAKE <> FAKE

There is no left, and there is no right, there is only,
UP and DOWN.
You know this tommi.
The math is very clear and cannot be fixed by the creators of it,
1 minus 1.1 will always be negative point one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3hY1eagq88&feature=fvwp

TICK TOCK,
lipsrsealed
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 8th, 2017, 11:02am

@MOKSHA,

Think of the trillions spent on security because of the "religion of peace" and what that money (and freedom) could actually do to benefit mankind instead of protect us from maniacs..





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 8th, 2017, 11:22am

If things don't change here and nobody can figure out how to do it, there will be a nightmare to pay someday.. and Europe, beautiful majestic noble historical Europe as it is now will be lost forever...

We've almost lost London:

Watch this, this is what it looks like:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nwc63
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by ZETAR on Jun 8th, 2017, 1:20pm

@ TOMMI.

"We've almost lost London:"

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"beautiful majestic noble historical Europe as it is now will be lost forever..."

IT DOES SEEM THAT PATTERN HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED!!!


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SHALOM...Z
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by dave54 on Jun 8th, 2017, 4:14pm

on Jun 2nd, 2017, 09:59am, Swamprat wrote:
Trump won for three reasons:

1 -- His opponent was Hillary Clinton.

2 -- His opponent was Hillary Clinton.

3 -- His opponent was Hillary Clinton.

I thank God every day that HE won and not Hillary.


I fixed it for you.

I do not know anyone that voted FOR trump. They all voted AGAINST hillary. Trump was seen as the lesser of evils. There may be a few naive and gullible people that somehow perceived trump as a shining knight on a white horse and actually voted for him. Thankfully, I do not know of any.
Every candidate since George himself ran for office on promising to 'clean up Washington'. Not one has succeeded. Trump will have the same success as the others.

The country was here long before donnie decided to run for office and the country will be here long after he is gone. I am not going to get all worked up over the current temp employee in the White House.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 8th, 2017, 4:28pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bii0p9AnBEE
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 8th, 2017, 5:37pm

Hey ERRRRRRRRNNOOOOOOO ;

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Got dinner for yaz ~~~~ Chow down buddy it's all yours !!


Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 9th, 2017, 07:23am

on Jun 8th, 2017, 11:02am, tommi01 wrote:
@MOKSHA,

Think of the trillions spent on security because of the "religion of peace" and what that money (and freedom) could actually do to benefit mankind instead of protect us from maniacs..



Good point tommi, I have thought about this, I just wonder who is getting the benefits ?

I also got to see your post, pre-edit, my point was about
DOGMA,
religious dogma, political dogma, or dogma of any fashion is
FASCIST
.
I also got to learn a word from my grandmothers language,
TURININGAS
so THANK YOU

I am not one who knows about Islam, but
Maurizio Molinari, has wrote about it,
not sure if he is right or wrong, but from my tiny bit of understanding
Islam has secular wars with itself, just like the others in that area,
maybe they will grow up someday, maybe not.
BE WELL.
.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 9th, 2017, 10:11am




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 9th, 2017, 10:35am




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2MTvBUvtiE





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXQ7D19mhY
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jun 9th, 2017, 3:29pm

on Jun 8th, 2017, 5:37pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Hey ERRRRRRRRNNOOOOOOO ;

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Got dinner for yaz ~~~~ Chow down buddy it's all yours !!



Lone



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 9th, 2017, 3:36pm

"Comey 'disgusted' by Trump's 'Hug-Gate' "




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEq3qFEp_fM
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 10th, 2017, 03:07am

on Jun 9th, 2017, 3:36pm, Erno86 wrote:
"Comey 'disgusted' by Trump's 'Hug-Gate' "




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEq3qFEp_fM



You are joking? Right? This is all you got? You and CNN? LOL

OMG !!

Hug gate!!

I just don't know what to say TBH.. I'm just at that point now where SMDH and pealing with ridicule is about all my brain can take in..

Well done, for reaching the bottom for anything no matter how absurd..

edit to add: I hope this is the bottom of the insanity pit..
but somehow I doubt it..


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Jun 10th, 2017, 09:33am

on Jun 10th, 2017, 03:07am, tommi01 wrote:
You are joking? Right? This is all you got? You and CNN? LOL

OMG !!

Hug gate!!

I just don't know what to say TBH.. I'm just at that point now where SMDH and pealing with ridicule is about all my brain can take in..

Well done, for reaching the bottom for anything no matter how absurd..

edit to add: I hope this is the bottom of the insanity pit..
but somehow I doubt it..





This is a series I really enjoyed. Too bad it was canceled. But the more I watch the news the distinction between this fictional show and reality seems to fade.





Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Agent19k on Jun 10th, 2017, 12:00pm

The following is a very sad, yet true story :

Years ago we were swimming at the lake nearby. A 17 year old boy had been screaming 'help' all day kidding around. After several hours nobody took him seriously.

I won't go into details what happened next.

cry


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Agent19k on Jun 10th, 2017, 12:55pm


I AM AGAINST SHARIA LAW being practiced or exercised in the U.S. !


Now , I'll probably be called a racist.

Its NOT a race.


sad


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 10th, 2017, 1:22pm

You aren't alone and I agree, there is something ultra stupid with not liking Islam making you a racist.. esp since I'm Arab/Semitic .. whatever.. I'm more Arab than majority of the Muslims.

It is absurd to call one's dislike of Islam or fear of this conquering cult that is disguised as a religion.. Islamophobic or racist.

The term Islamophobic was originally conceived by the Muslim Brotherhood about 80 years ago.

It made it first general appearance in the 60's when used in a left wing publication or book... can't remember..but Wikipedia has the details..


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 10th, 2017, 4:24pm

on Jun 10th, 2017, 12:00pm, A k 9 wrote:
The following is a very sad, yet true story :

Years ago we were swimming at the lake nearby. A 17 year old boy had been screaming 'help' all day kidding around. After several hours nobody took him seriously.

I won't go into details what happened next.

cry



I distinctly remember this tragedy! If i remember the parents tried to sue someone over it too !
Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 10th, 2017, 4:30pm

Sharia is the complete disregard of our Constitution. It is not compatible with ANY society that holds human rights and life above all other! It's a death sentence to America and the free world. It should be eradicated like rats or cockroaches!

It reduces the human race to less than the crap on the bottom of your shoe after visiting the monkey cage !


I put Sharia right up there with Progressive-ism in this regard
along with those who follow these scurrilous beliefs!
Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 10th, 2017, 7:16pm

Any religious laws, put forth about how another religion, should be
judged and decapitated are, pure
JUNK.

3-20-1991
PUBLIC LAW
102-14


.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 11th, 2017, 08:58am

If Trumps mentally ill then the Democrats have been unhinged for decades !!


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/on-this-day-in-1964-democrats-filibustered-the-civil-rights-act/

Lone

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 11th, 2017, 3:06pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3wKzyIN1yk
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 11th, 2017, 3:31pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4Ho2wOoco
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Agent19k on Jun 12th, 2017, 7:31pm


This is a simple question to any/all democrats. As a voter in next years election, what is your agenda to make America better ?

Please do NOT waste my time like Hillary did by dogging the other candidate with no resolution except dogging the opposing candidate.

WHAT exactly is your agenda and how do you plan to execute it to benefit Americans ?

Ya see, I use to vote split ticket but now I lean to Republican/Independent.

WHAT IS YOUR PLAN ,BESIDES WHAT IT IS NOW...THE DESTRUCTION OF YOUR OWN PARTY WITHOUT AN AGENDA ?

BTW, DITCH SOROS , AND HIS PUPPETS, JUST SAYIN.

kiss

Its a simple question


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by tommi01 on Jun 13th, 2017, 12:21pm

Wow, this woman has been working with approval of Hillary and Bill for ages........



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 13th, 2017, 4:19pm

"Sessions Won't Talk, Trump's Executive Privilege Might Be Asserted Later"


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 13th, 2017, 6:46pm

on Jun 13th, 2017, 12:21pm, tommi01 wrote:
Wow, this woman has been working with approval of Hillary and Bill for ages........




This is very disturbing to me tommi,
it was 1989, yes ?

cos in 1991, 3-20,
The seven laws of Noah, was made
PUBLIC LAW
102-14
penalty
decapitation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

Since you know more about sharia then me, please
TEACH US
all,
the difference between the two,
both violate the US Constitution,
which has been in jeopardy since 911 and the 2008 bank note crisis
.
is this real ?
will my head be removed if i don't believe ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O1ve4Hs4Po

A

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 14th, 2017, 11:31am



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi4eT7WVzX4





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8RjwfwqDeE
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 17th, 2017, 10:09am

Trump's Russian Connections


*Remember when Donald Trump was business partners with the Russian government and his company got 53 million from the Russian government investment fund called Rusnano that was started by Vladimir Putin and is referred to as "Putin's Child"? Oh wait, that wasn't Trump-- it was John Podesta.*


*Remember when Donald Trump received 500 thousand for a speech in Moscow and paid for by Renaissance Capital, a company tied to Russian Intelligence Agencies? Oh wait, that was Bill Clinton.*


*Remember when Donald Trump approved the sale of 20% of US uranium to the Russians while he was Secretary of State which gave control of it to Rosatom the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation? Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.*


*Remember when Donald Trump lied about that and said he wasn't a part of approving the deal that gave the Russians 1/5 of our uranium, but then his emails were leaked showing he did lie about it? Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and John Podesta.*


*Remember when Donald Trump got 145 million dollars from shareholders of the uranium company sold to the Russians? Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.*


*Remember when Donald Trump accepted millions in donations from Russian Oligarchs like the chairman of a company that's part of the Russian Nuclear Research Cluster, the wife of the mayor of Moscow, and a close pal of Putins? Oh wait, that was the Clinton Foundation.*


*Remember when Donald Trump failed to disclose all those donations before becoming the Secretary of State, and it was only found out when a journalist went through Canadian tax records? Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.*


*Remember when Donald Trump told Mitt Romney that the 80's called and it wanted its Russian policy back. The Cold War is over? Oh wait that was President Obama.*


*Man... Trump's ties to Russia are totally disgusting."*



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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 17th, 2017, 10:23am

Hmmmmmmmmm.......... I truly believe Heir Goebbels would love to be best buddies with Erno. He is a true believer. Believes everything the Progressive/Commie media says without ever questioning the validity or the source. Lies told to further the Soros/One World/Open Boarders Agenda.

Just remember, those that deny that this is the exact problem here and abroad will be the ones the most surprised when they become the target!

I'm amazed that they can't see how the use of the Sharia/Islamic problem is the smoke screen they are using.
It suits them (Soros & company) just fine that on two fronts the Constitutional Republic most Americans revere is under attack by the ignorance on both sides! The majority here are about at their limit to how much more 'Hope and Change' we will tolerate before 'We the People' take sides.

Erno, you're on the losing side. !


Lone

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by ZETAR on Jun 17th, 2017, 11:47am

LONE,

THE MOST FRUITFUL BENEFIT OF ANY DISCUSSION IS HEARING ALL SIDES...IMHO!


" I truly believe Heir Goebbels would love to be best buddies with Erno. He is a true believer. Believes everything the Progressive/Commie media says without ever questioning the validity or the source. Lies told to further the Soros/One World/Open Boarders Agenda."

ERNO IS UNQUESTIONABLY ENTITLED TO HIS OPINION WITHOUT BEING BERATED...MOREOVER, I DO INDEED GET YOUR PASSION ON THIS TOPIC. NEVERTHELESS, HISTORY HAS DEMONSTRATED...IT ALL COMES OUT IN THE RINSE CYCLE... cool

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SHALOM...Z
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by purr on Jun 17th, 2017, 11:54am

on Jun 17th, 2017, 10:23am, LoneGunMan wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm.......... I truly believe Heir Goebbels would love to be best buddies with Erno. He is a true believer. Believes everything the Progressive/Commie media says without ever questioning the validity or the source. Lies told to further the Soros/One World/Open Boarders Agenda.

Just remember, those that deny that this is the exact problem here and abroad will be the ones the most surprised when they become the target!

I'm amazed that they can't see how the use of the Sharia/Islamic problem is the smoke screen they are using.
It suits them (Soros & company) just fine that on two fronts the Constitutional Republic most Americans revere is under attack by the ignorance on both sides! The majority here are about at their limit to how much more 'Hope and Change' we will tolerate before 'We the People' take sides.

Erno, you're on the losing side. !


Lone


Hi Lone, I worry the lotav'ya risk ending up on that losing side. Just my Dutch perspective. President Trump IMHO is tweeting way too much for his own good (isn't there anybody with enough clout to take away this man's smart phone / delete his Twitter account or sumtin?!), truth be told I suspect even his supporters would agree. Mr. President, some free advice from one of those deadbeat NATO countries, pulleaze continue sticking to your teleprompter, do listen to counsel and uh... play nice or PRETEND A LITTLE MORE CONVINCINGLY (politicians have been doing it, play the great game, for millennia, nothing wrong with a little bit of hypocrisy!!).

(No news = no FAKE NEWS, ....nothing to report. cheesy)

And it's distance that makes it visible, clear as day: the US Dems are fighting Trump too hard. Truly too vitriolic. 'Losing' here could equal damaging your own president and this high office (to the level of actual impeachment / removal) which plays into the hand of America's many enemies. I don't want America to show weakness...


purr


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 17th, 2017, 12:51pm

Well said, Purr. Trump is trying too hard to show that he is NOT a typical politician. He needs to be quiet and go about the business of running the country. undecided
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 17th, 2017, 1:51pm

"Inconsistencies in EPA chief's testimony about his email use"

Quote:
"Scott Pruitt may need to clarify some of his congressional testimony.

Late Wednesday, I reported that Pruitt, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, appears to have used two government email addresses while serving as attorney general of Oklahoma.

So what? Pruitt told Congress that he used only one government email address during his time in that office."


quote: WaPo POWERPOST - Friday, June 16, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jun 17th, 2017, 1:53pm

on Jun 17th, 2017, 12:51pm, Swamprat wrote:
Well said, Purr. Trump is trying too hard to show that he is NOT a typical politician. He needs to be quiet and go about the business of running the country. undecided


Business of DJT running this country into the ground.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 17th, 2017, 2:06pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSrS2gs6UHc
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 17th, 2017, 2:43pm

Oh, Trevor!



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Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 18th, 2017, 2:10pm

on Jun 17th, 2017, 11:47am, ZETAR wrote:
LONE,

THE MOST FRUITFUL BENEFIT OF ANY DISCUSSION IS HEARING ALL SIDES...IMHO!


" I truly believe Heir Goebbels would love to be best buddies with Erno. He is a true believer. Believes everything the Progressive/Commie media says without ever questioning the validity or the source. Lies told to further the Soros/One World/Open Boarders Agenda."

ERNO IS UNQUESTIONABLY ENTITLED TO HIS OPINION WITHOUT BEING BERATED...MOREOVER, I DO INDEED GET YOUR PASSION ON THIS TOPIC. NEVERTHELESS, HISTORY HAS DEMONSTRATED...IT ALL COMES OUT IN THE RINSE CYCLE... cool

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SHALOM...Z





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=perM4JVZsxo
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 18th, 2017, 2:37pm

"Business of DJT running this country into the ground."

Erno, I'm lost; what could possibly be Trump's motivation to do such a thing?

This country facilitated him becoming one of the wealthiest people around. Why would he want to destroy it?

Swamp
huh
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jun 18th, 2017, 2:49pm

on Jun 18th, 2017, 2:37pm, Swamprat wrote:
"Business of DJT running this country into the ground."

Erno, I'm lost; what could possibly be Trump's motivation to do such a thing?

This country facilitated him becoming one of the wealthiest people around. Why would he want to destroy it?

Swamp
huh



Well...for one: Plain old corporate greed from a corporate shark {DJT}.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 18th, 2017, 2:57pm

"Trump from 1992 shows he's exactly the guy Comey describes"

DJT said in 1992: "Loves getting even with people"


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:02pm

on Jun 18th, 2017, 2:37pm, Swamprat wrote:
"Business of DJT running this country into the ground."

Erno, I'm lost; what could possibly be Trump's motivation to do such a thing?

This country facilitated him becoming one of the wealthiest people around. Why would he want to destroy it?

Swamp
huh


DJT: "Clearly, only has his interest in mind"
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 18th, 2017, 3:04pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 18th, 2017, 8:07pm

Erno, I believe you are most likely the most logically stunted individual I've seen on this sight in years!

You obviously have a very minuscule grasp of economics and business. By the very sources you site it is apparent you never even bother to fact check anything . Well maybe by using such devastatingly true sources like the Progressive, Soros paid websites such as 'Urban Legends', or maybe the notorious New York Slimes or that bastion of truth 'Snopes'. By using CNN, you as much as prove your partisan beliefs are those not in the best interests of the American Republic!

Every source you seem to use is blatantly Socialist/progressive. You do understand that these folks are much worse than the person you show so much distaste for.

No..No I'm sure you don't! Tell us dear Erno, could it be that you're one of those 'paid' shills of the Progressive Left you so love and cherish? Do you spend most of your time at the office just waiting for new slivers of ignorance to post the diatribes of the ignorant CNN and their Proletariat lackeys?

Sure seems that way !!


Lone
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 18th, 2017, 9:06pm

Lone, Erno has just as much right to believe what he believes as you and I do. I may disagree with some of his points and some of his sources, but he should be free to express his opinions, too!

We may feel Trump was the the right choice, given the options, but he is not a saint. At times, he is his own worst enemy. He has got to stop being distracted by the naysayers and focus on his job!
wink
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MrGort on Jun 19th, 2017, 08:36am

on Jun 18th, 2017, 8:07pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Erno, I believe you are most likely the most logically stunted individual I've seen on this sight in years!

You obviously have a very minuscule grasp of economics and business. By the very sources you site it is apparent you never even bother to fact check anything . Well maybe by using such devastatingly true sources like the Progressive, Soros paid websites such as 'Urban Legends', or maybe the notorious New York Slimes or that bastion of truth 'Snopes'. By using CNN, you as much as prove your partisan beliefs are those not in the best interests of the American Republic!

Every source you seem to use is blatantly Socialist/progressive. You do understand that these folks are much worse than the person you show so much distaste for.

No..No I'm sure you don't! Tell us dear Erno, could it be that you're one of those 'paid' shills of the Progressive Left you so love and cherish? Do you spend most of your time at the office just waiting for new slivers of ignorance to post the diatribes of the ignorant CNN and their Proletariat lackeys?

Sure seems that way !!


Lone


You can’t reason with a liberal. They are like a cult. The main stream media gets their talking points for the day and this garbage is disbursed throughout networks, the media, the Internet. People like James Hodgkinson read this stuff and then become radicalized. Liberals and Isis have a lot in common, they both want to destroy Trump. So while free speech might be a selling point, society has an obligation to see what is being sold.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 19th, 2017, 09:07am

The political "reality" is mixed with the monetary "reality"
AND
is merely a illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

Being A political I do see both sides of this coin,
I just giggled,

In my insanely humble opinion, there is
SUMTIN
much more important going on,
you robots need to look in the mirror,
listen to your heart beat, instead of some one else's words.
PLEASE, consider this,
what if all humanity, rests on your thoughts and expressions,
and your negativity, was the cause of humanity being destroyed.

in other words, you are what you eat.

More people need to understand,
HYPERDIMENSIONAL PHYSICS
http://www.ams.org/notices/201006/rtx100600706p.pdf

http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html

we "might be living in a game"
A SIMULATION
meaning you are a tool/robot

[youtube]http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html[/youtube]

http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html

tongue

so weird the machine is blocking me from posting this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA

i think i got it
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 19th, 2017, 10:13am

For my far right friends, the people who get,
food stamps and all the other, "benefits",
are NOT the people who take your
hard earned bank notes,
NO
it is the GOVT. who does this, which by the way, is comprised of,
POLY TICK TIANS,
not the people who get it, even though there is fraud with in
everything, with this new move, the refugee stuff,
who is playing the leading role into,
multiculturism
A ?

since 1913, the monetary has been unconstitutional
some of you know this, but still act the way you do.

For my friends on the far left, who get "benefits" threw fraud,
should stop it ASAP, the burden of fraud can not be covered,
by present day monetary laws, which are from a foreign GOVT.
or else "martial law" would not exist.

DON'T BELIEVE ME, JUST WATCH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP-8fgP2yLo

tongue
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 19th, 2017, 3:43pm

"What We Know From James Comey | The Resistance with Kieth Olbermann | GQ"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXQ7D19mhY
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 19th, 2017, 8:47pm

with all do respect to,
Oberman
what does he not mention the obvious foreign
Countries involved ?
1) the vatican
2) saudia arabia
3) israel

WHY ?
Erno ?
WHY ?
A
Please answer this, then.
It is always Russia, I don't trust them, nor do I the others.
......
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 19th, 2017, 8:57pm

here are the people who tell you what to believe,

so go on with it then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-lIhwgBRK0

tongue
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jun 20th, 2017, 12:31pm

Who we gonna execute?! The Donald?! Or the Clintons?!



64 Years Ago, Yesterday


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64 years ago—Among a large crowd gathered near Union Square, a woman dries her eyes during a rally in support for Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, June 19, 1953. Found guilty of espionage, the Rosenbergs were executed at Sing Sing Correctional Facility at about 8pm. Photo by Lawrence Schiller

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were United States citizens who were executed on June 19, 1953 after being convicted of committing espionage for the Soviet Union. They were accused of selling the United States' top secret plans for building a nuclear bomb to the Soviet Union; at that time the United States was the sole country in the world with the knowledge and resources to build nuclear weapons.

They also were accused of providing top-secret radar, sonar, and jet propulsion engines to the Soviet Union.

Other convicted co-conspirators were imprisoned, including Ethel's brother, David Greenglass, who supplied documents from Los Alamos to Julius and who served 10 years of his 15-year sentence; Harry Gold, who identified Greenglass and served 15 years in Federal prison as the courier for Greenglass. Klaus Fuchs, a German scientist working in Los Alamos and handled by Gold, provided vastly more important information. He served nine years and four months, convicted in Great Britain.

For decades, many defenders of the Rosenbergs, including their sons Michael and Robert Meeropol, maintained that Julius and Ethel were innocent and victims of Cold war paranoia. After the fall of the USSR, much information concerning them was declassified, including a trove of decoded Soviet cables, code-named VENONA, which detailed Julius's role as a courier and recruiter for the Soviets and Ethel's role as an accessory. Their sons' current position is that Julius was legally guilty of the conspiracy charge, though not of atomic spying, while Ethel was only generally aware of his activities. They believe that he did not deserve the death penalty and that she was wrongly convicted. They continue to campaign for Ethel to be legally exonerated.

Source: Wikipedia


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jun 20th, 2017, 4:44pm

on Jun 20th, 2017, 12:31pm, Swamprat wrote:
Who we gonna execute?! The Donald?! Or the Clintons?!



64 Years Ago, Yesterday


User Image
64 years ago—Among a large crowd gathered near Union Square, a woman dries her eyes during a rally in support for Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, June 19, 1953. Found guilty of espionage, the Rosenbergs were executed at Sing Sing Correctional Facility at about 8pm. Photo by Lawrence Schiller

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were United States citizens who were executed on June 19, 1953 after being convicted of committing espionage for the Soviet Union. They were accused of selling the United States' top secret plans for building a nuclear bomb to the Soviet Union; at that time the United States was the sole country in the world with the knowledge and resources to build nuclear weapons.

They also were accused of providing top-secret radar, sonar, and jet propulsion engines to the Soviet Union.

Other convicted co-conspirators were imprisoned, including Ethel's brother, David Greenglass, who supplied documents from Los Alamos to Julius and who served 10 years of his 15-year sentence; Harry Gold, who identified Greenglass and served 15 years in Federal prison as the courier for Greenglass. Klaus Fuchs, a German scientist working in Los Alamos and handled by Gold, provided vastly more important information. He served nine years and four months, convicted in Great Britain.

For decades, many defenders of the Rosenbergs, including their sons Michael and Robert Meeropol, maintained that Julius and Ethel were innocent and victims of Cold war paranoia. After the fall of the USSR, much information concerning them was declassified, including a trove of decoded Soviet cables, code-named VENONA, which detailed Julius's role as a courier and recruiter for the Soviets and Ethel's role as an accessory. Their sons' current position is that Julius was legally guilty of the conspiracy charge, though not of atomic spying, while Ethel was only generally aware of his activities. They believe that he did not deserve the death penalty and that she was wrongly convicted. They continue to campaign for Ethel to be legally exonerated.

Source: Wikipedia






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOOebk_dKFo
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jun 21st, 2017, 2:10pm

on Jun 8th, 2017, 5:37pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Hey ERRRRRRRRNNOOOOOOO ;

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Got dinner for yaz ~~~~ Chow down buddy it's all yours !!



Lone


Here's one for ya!!


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 21st, 2017, 2:25pm

White House press secretary, Sean Spicer wants out!!

"Donald Trump might as well get behind the podium himself, as the press coverage is the part of the presidency he cares the most deeply about," said Tim Miller, who was communications director for Jeb Bush's 2016 presidential campaign. "You can't be a credible press secretary when your boss makes you tell preposterous lies. You can't be a credible press secretary when you don't know what your boss thinks on key issues because he changes his mind depending on the last person he talked to."

quote: NYT's NATIONAL Wednesday, June 21, 2017
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 21st, 2017, 3:33pm



http://www.youtube.com/watchjAWkLsWQCY8
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 21st, 2017, 3:59pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by LoneGunMan on Jun 21st, 2017, 5:34pm

FBI clears Gen. Flynn !


http://nypost.com/2017/01/24/fbi-clears-michael-flynn-in-probe-linking-him-to-russia/
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 24th, 2017, 3:24pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw_KAW7NvKA
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 24th, 2017, 3:26pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VA2y5jpGwc
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 24th, 2017, 3:29pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPiWwQ4LoLU
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 26th, 2017, 7:30pm

on Jun 18th, 2017, 8:07pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Erno, I believe you are most likely the most logically stunted individual I've seen on this sight in years!

You obviously have a very minuscule grasp of economics and business. By the very sources you site it is apparent you never even bother to fact check anything . Well maybe by using such devastatingly true sources like the Progressive, Soros paid websites such as 'Urban Legends', or maybe the notorious New York Slimes or that bastion of truth 'Snopes'. By using CNN, you as much as prove your partisan beliefs are those not in the best interests of the American Republic!

Every source you seem to use is blatantly Socialist/progressive. You do understand that these folks are much worse than the person you show so much distaste for.

No..No I'm sure you don't! Tell us dear Erno, could it be that you're one of those 'paid' shills of the Progressive Left you so love and cherish? Do you spend most of your time at the office just waiting for new slivers of ignorance to post the diatribes of the ignorant CNN and their Proletariat lackeys?

Sure seems that way !!


Lone


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvoBMrE4ENo

sumtimes, people know not who they fight for.

it is very clear what is going on.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/05/02/george_soros_trump_nemesis_is_jared_kushner_business_partner.html

sum wish not to mention it.
DFB
https://www.reverbnation.com/mhasok/song/28140011-dumb-fing-bees

guess who you are now,

go on with it please.
tongue
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MOKSHA on Jun 26th, 2017, 7:49pm

DON'T BELIEVE ME JUST WATCH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPf0YbXqDm0

YEP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RebnZVkQ-pc

tongue

ENJOY
PLEASE
kiss
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jun 29th, 2017, 3:44pm

"Reporter Who Blasted White House's 'Fake News' Attack Sounds Off | The 11th Hour | MSNBC


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Reasoner on Jun 30th, 2017, 7:44pm

We still onboard the Trump Train or nah?
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Suzy on Jul 2nd, 2017, 5:31pm

Keep on Trumpin'................


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBRbc05wUM4


shocked grin
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jul 3rd, 2017, 3:45pm


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by Erno86 on Jul 4th, 2017, 1:15pm

on Jul 2nd, 2017, 5:31pm, SuzyQ wrote:
Keep on Trumpin'................


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBRbc05wUM4


shocked grin


"Donald Trump's Angry Tweets Have Real World Consequences"


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jul 4th, 2017, 1:23pm

"Buzz Aldrin's face when Donald Trump Jr. talks about space is absolutely hilarious."

LMAO





Tweet: "Buzz Aldrin thinking he would much rather live on the moon right now."

rolleyes
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jul 4th, 2017, 9:34pm

OK, I did my best to clean up the language.....


58,000 Americans died for nothing...


by George Roof, Chief Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired)

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Because I am a “lifer” in the military, I’ve seen the impact of a president more than many of you can imagine. I enlisted with LBJ and saw just what a Democrat clusterflock was all about. I went to Vietnam and saw how we were constantly and incessantly bombarded with micromanagement from Washington that got thousands of military people killed. I sometimes wonder if I’ll get to heaven, but if I go to h***, I’m sure I’ll still be a few hundred floors above that b****** Robert McNamara , LB Johnson, John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and yes, even the “hero” John McCain.

After Johnson “abdicated” rather than having his a** waxed, I lived through Nixon who was hawkish but allowed the generals (and there WERE a few real generals back then versus now) run the show. Nixon was so out of touch that he never knew North Vietnam was about to surrender when the Paris Accord was presented.

Only God could help us after Gerald Ford was beaten by Jimmy 'Peanuts' Carter who’d been funded by Saudi money. The military was turned into Section 8 and even the Whitehouse suffered the austerity.

Then the light began to shine and Ronald Reagan swept into the fray. He not only loved the country and the military, they loved him back. Esprit d’corps was off the scale during his presidency. The Liberals were slowly turning into socialists, however, and about this time all the draft dodgers of the 1960’s who’d been given amnesty by Jimmy 'Peanuts' were turning out college graduates with degrees in socialism.

Bush 1 was an enigma from the CIA and though he never did much either way, he NEVER DID MUCH EITHER WAY.

Welcome to Bill Clinton. Clinton spent most of his two terms wagging the dog and creating the 'Oral' Office, sending a bomber to blow up Quaddafi’s tent and killing a goat or two, while allowing the UN to set up the infamous Black Hawk Down situation. He made history by becoming only the second president to be impeached.

I actually felt sorry for Bush 2. He was doomed to infamy from the start. He thought most of America was still the rah rah patriots of WWII when they were 'simply socialists' waiting to feed him to the sharks.

Then there came the Manchurian Candidate Obama with a faked (OK Democrats, let’s say “of questionable origin” to assuage your PC brains) birth certificate, who’d gotten a free ride through college under a foreign student exemption, and whose college records and complete life history had been 'sealed.' (We know more about Thomas Jefferson’s bastard children than we do about Obama, Michelle , OR their two faked kids.) From his inaugural address, he slandered America and within days had begun to encourage dissention of the races as well as slandering police who “acted stupidly.” That was mild to the c*** that would come in doubling the national debt from what had been built by ALL THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED, feeding us bulls*** about how Muslims built this country, and nationalizing American industries. Fueled by George Soros’ money and using the Air Force fleet as his personal charters, he appointed malcontents and traitors into positions of authority. He trashed the Constitution by installing “czars” (interesting he chose a title like that) to bypass Congressional authority. By that time, Congress was completely corrupt on both sides of the aisle. No one had b**** to impeach this charlatan Obama.

Mysteriously, the lone outspoken conservative Supreme Court Justice Scalia suddenly dies in his sleep at an Obama pal’s hunting lodge and the Supreme Court is evenly split. Finally, Congress shows some balls and rejects Obama’s Supreme Court Justice nomination. The Libertards aren’t worried because the fix is in. Soros 'has paid' demonstrators to cause turmoil at 'all the Republican gatherings.' Obama concedes that illegal aliens should vote as they won’t be prosecuted, and Soros-manufactured voting machines are caught switching votes in certain precincts. Hillary has cheated her way to the nomination and her lies are completely ignored by the brainwashed minions of sycophants who follow her.

But a shocking thing happened on the way to the forum.

Middle America had had enough and although the pollsters and the pipers tried to convince middle America not even to bother to vote, they were fed up with the denizens of the swamp. It was time. Florida was designated a “swing” state ignoring that all those old retirees living in St. Petersburg, and the fed up Cuban Americans of Miami weren’t interested in their platform. Ohio and Pennsylvania , where coal production was blacklisted and where Obama had ridiculed them for “clinging to their Bibles and their guns,” lay awaiting this supposed “landslide” Hillary vote,.... and creamed it.

The Socialist world of the Democratic Party disintegrated. An American who expressed unbridled love of country and respect for police, firemen, and military steamrolled across the heartland and the liberals realized their scheme was trashed. A CONSTITUTIONALIST would be nominated to the Supreme Court and if the old hag Ginsburg who’d claimed to retire if Trump were elected would actually retire and leave, the Supreme Court would have a massive majority of CONSTITUTIONALISTS for the next 40-50 years.

Now, the same party who’d ridiculed Trump on his comments about the election being rigged, started screaming that the election 'was' rigged. They even advocated having the election repeated. They created mobs that burned and pillaged, stopped traffic, threatened murder, battery and rape of Trump supporters, and became the anarchists that the socialist dream thrives upon. They run like castrated pigs for safe zones and use diaper pins as their national symbol.

This is exactly what happens when political correctness takes over and participation trophies are awarded to everyone. They can’t conceive how disgusting and subservient they have become. Donald Trump may NOT be the best person for the job, but he’s such a welcome respite from the candy-a***** whimps who’ve been running the swamp that it’s refreshing to see. At the very least, Donald Trump derailed the Socialist train and bought us precious time. If he only does half of what he’s promised, we’ll still be legions ahead of where Obama has dragged us. Already countries who held us in contempt are lining up to be found in the favor of America. Donald Trump has done more in his short time in the public eye...he prevented Hillary Clinton from becoming president!

So for you liberal lurkers and you half-a**** fence-sitters, Tough S***! You had your big hurrah and now your party is over. For you staunch Republicans in office, don’t gloat so much yourselves. You’ve been put on notice by the American people that we’re fed up with ALL YOU B******* and if you don’t start putting America first, you do so at your own peril. You might want to buy a copy of George McGovern’s autobiography and see how shocking and humbling it can be for a professional politician to have to try to find legitimate work once he falls from grace.

This election was pure, unadulterated AMERICAN. Hillary got beaten and AMERICA WON THE ELECTION. You can claim he’s not “your president” all you want, but unless you 'forfeit' your American citizenship, ......

YES, HE IS YOUR PRESIDENT!!!!


Go cry a river some place they need water.

*****



Very rare, but occasionally someone can say exactly what needs to be said because their experience can’t be denied…first President Trump, now Chief Master Sergeant George Roof…just look at his picture depicting a typical good ole American who has done his share to keep us free…

And, if you disagree with this, then thanks for indulging me, anyway…I still respect you as a fellow American…

'In God We Trust'



https://www.truthorfiction.com/george-roof-presidents-ive-known/
George Roof: Presidents I’ve Known-Correct Attribution
Summary of eRumor:
A viral social media post titled “Presidents I’ve Known” outlines Air Force Master Sgt. George Roof’s personal views on presidents dating back to Lyndon B. Johnson, as well as Roof’s opinion of the current political landscape.

The Truth:
Retired Air Force Master Sgt. George Roof posted the “Presidents I’ve Known” column on his personal Facebook page on November 20, 2016, and it has since been widely shared and circulated.

George Roof’s social media accounts link to the the website of a taxidermy business he runs in Magnolia, Delaware, that confirms biographical information about Roof that’s been added to different versions of his “President’s I’ve Known” commentary. Primarily, it confirms that he spent 30 years in the Air Force before turning his attention to taxidermy in retirement:

The love of recreating these gorgeous creatures followed me and though I enlisted in the Air Force, I was always able to find some creature to work with. I did that for almost 30 years of nomadic military life. About 5 years before my retirement, I decided to transition into full time taxidermy and began to work in earnest.


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Post by Erno86 on Jul 9th, 2017, 3:12pm


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Post by LoneGunMan on Jul 9th, 2017, 4:42pm

Erno,
Do you have any actual opinions of your own or do you always let the left drag you around by the nose ?

I love how you choose the most distrusted and famous disinformation idiots of this and other nations to be your spokes people!

I find it amazing that you can be so easily swayed and become such a useful idiot for the Left Wing Socialists! Do you even bother to investigate or are you just another link dropper with no idea just how foolish you look? No, No... I guess not. CNN, MSNBC, CBS,NBC, ABC are actually the real deal and would never become a mouthpiece for the Socialist/Communist/Elitists sector of our Government.

Do you even believe in the Constitution or are you one of those that think it's just an old piece of parchment?

I doubt I will get an answer other than more links to the BS artists of the nation.

That's OK Erno, Someday it's going to bite you in the nether regions and you'll stand there with that blank look on your face thinking that the Democrats told you that it will be Utopia. I hope someones there to take the picture of that face. It will make for great Mimes on Facebook !

Lone

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jul 11th, 2017, 4:16pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"President Trump Sued For Blocking People On Twitter"

http://www.hotair.com/archives/2017/07/11/president-trump-sued-blocking-people-twitter

Thoughts??




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Post by ZETAR on Jul 11th, 2017, 5:07pm

ERNO,

"President Trump Sued For Blocking People On Twitter"

I'D LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF THE STAMP 'FILED' PLEADINGS!

ANYHOO...

The seven individuals involved in the lawsuit are not the only people blocked by Trump but they all have in common that they dislike Trump and, at some point, tweeted a response that offended him.

The Twitter Rules
We believe that everyone should have the power to create and share ideas and information instantly, without barriers. In order to protect the experience and safety of people who use Twitter, there are some limitations on the type of content and behavior that we allow. All users must adhere to the policies set forth in the Twitter Rules.

Harassment: You may not incite or engage in the targeted abuse or harassment of others. Some of the factors that we may consider when evaluating abusive behavior include:
if a primary purpose of the reported account is to harass or send abusive messages to others;


https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311

if the reported behavior is one-sided or includes threats;
if the reported account is inciting others to harass another account; and
if the reported account is sending harassing messages to an account from multiple accounts.


HMMM...SOUNDS FRIVOLOUS/SANCTIONABLE...RULE 11 SCHTUFF wink

SANCTIONS, RULE 11
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 provides that a district court may sanction attorneys or parties who submit pleadings for an improper purpose or that contain frivolous arguments or arguments that have no evidentiary support.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s110.htm

SHALOM...Z
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Swamprat on Jul 11th, 2017, 5:12pm

?? The website says it all. "Hot Air.com"..... grin
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Post by ZETAR on Jul 11th, 2017, 5:21pm

SWAMP,

YEP ~
"Hot Air.com"

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SHALOM...Z
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by WingsofCrystal on Jul 11th, 2017, 6:03pm

on Jul 11th, 2017, 4:16pm, Erno86 wrote:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"President Trump Sued For Blocking People On Twitter"

http://www.hotair.com/archives/2017/07/11/president-trump-sued-blocking-people-twitter

Thoughts??





Erno do you get on Twitter?

It's pretty rowdy and because they have a block function I don't see this going anywhere.

Crystal



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jul 12th, 2017, 4:51pm

The White House has said his tweets a "Presidential Statements," which makes them: 1. Subject to the records preservation laws and: 2. Means you can't selectively prevent people from seeing them {as government declarations}.

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/06/trump-s-tweets-official-statements-spicer-says/22129629
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
Post by WingsofCrystal on Jul 12th, 2017, 6:15pm

on Jul 12th, 2017, 4:51pm, Erno86 wrote:
The White House has said his tweets a "Presidential Statements," which makes them: 1. Subject to the records preservation laws and: 2. Means you can't selectively prevent people from seeing them {as government declarations}.

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/06/trump-s-tweets-official-statements-spicer-says/22129629



Alright grin

I'm leaving, stage left.

Crystal



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Jul 15th, 2017, 05:25am

Plan 9

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/videos/donald-trump-25th-amendment-mental-fitness/


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Post by ZETAR on Jul 15th, 2017, 5:44pm

cool

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Post by Erno86 on Jul 16th, 2017, 1:11pm


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Post by Erno86 on Jul 16th, 2017, 1:49pm

Washington

"Wicked siblings willing to do anything for power. Secret deals with sworn enemies. The shock of a dead body. A Wall. Foreign bawds, guns for hire, and snakes. Back-stabbing, betrayal and charges of treason. Little birds spying and tattling. A maniacal mad king and his court of scheming, self-absorbed princesses and princelings, swathed in the finest silk and the most brazen immorality, ruling with total disregard for the good of their people.

The night in Washington is dark and full of terrors. The Game of Trump has brought a pagan lawlessness never before seen in the capital."

quote: excerpt from NYT's - "Game of Trump" - Maureen Dowd - Sunday, July 16, 2017
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NlECfer_Mo
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Post by Erno86 on Jul 19th, 2017, 3:36pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMD7Rd2yBfI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adElj_VMSQA
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Post by Erno86 on Jul 21st, 2017, 3:48pm

What's with Trump talking to 'public enemy #1': New York Times? Aren't they 'fake news'?


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jul 22nd, 2017, 2:47pm

Scaramucci has a scary job...
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jul 22nd, 2017, 2:54pm

Cartoons: Best of Donald Trump's First Six...


http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/20/cartoons-best-of-donald-trumps-first-six-months-in-office
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Post by Erno86 on Jul 26th, 2017, 4:16pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=787EIzhOIyA
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Jul 30th, 2017, 08:41am

Dems live in a Watters' World

http://www.mrgodzilla.com/Watter.mp4

Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Jul 31st, 2017, 3:46pm

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Scaramucci is Forced Out of New Role at White House"





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IPykdnv0fg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpMEXDY-L4M
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ef-3ueoRUM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQxW1wxfIT4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelSGxTPlXM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58r68aCwtVg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx0zeMbLOCY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF0-Fx96e24
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58r68aCwtVg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON3EjK5DXPk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sheEL099ADM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGl7rUHP7U
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z50OazqL6Xo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVvpXZxXWZU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF0-Fx96e24
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM6FGJ8foGg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4sCA3QFqT8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0CENR2rMZ4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VhgRttiS7M
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6TyLfX8vcc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIYa94IBWbY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpkXTu-fzWg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyQLKimaLpk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tukyTSuVA44
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioB2Vs_G45U
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqDnIl5ze5Y
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Post by Swamprat on Aug 28th, 2017, 10:53am

Page 1 of 2


Bringing the business meme into the White House


Drain the Swamp? You need a hatchet man.



Chaos or strategy?

by Mack Secord

"Apparently, liberals and never-Trumpers are so isolated in their political circles that they have no concept how things work in the real world of business and corporate America. For example, they completely fail to grasp the concept of the "hatchet man." Allow me to explain:

Say you are a business tycoon. You just successfully completed a large-scale acquisition and merger, bringing together multiple smaller companies into one conglomerate. After the merger, you want to put your own people in charge of everything. However, all those smaller companies had their own executives - and, at least for the short term - you need to keep many of them around the keep things running. So, you keep many of those executives around, and let them retain their own senior staff. You even appoint one of them - the head of the largest of the companies you acquired - to be the CEO of the conglomerate, and he pledges to get all the departments working together harmoniously.

After a transition period, some of them are doing fine in the new conglomerate - but others are clearly causing trouble. In fact, the one you appointed CEO is clearly a disaster. The newly merged departments are working against each other.

Furthermore, you have good suspicion he is dealing in insider trading - nothing you can take to a prosecutor, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence building up. Worse, he is not only doing his own dirty dealing, but it appears he may even be leaking intellectual property to your competitors, helping them take market share from you.

Clearly, he has to go - and go now.

Problem is, many of the senior employees in your conglomerate are loyal to him. If you just fire him and put in your own chosen CEO, you know you could get a lot of backlash from disgruntled employees. And in your business, there is such a small profit-margin that you really can't afford anything at all that threatens performance. So what do you do?

In comes the hatchet man.

The hatchet man is someone you bring in for sole purpose of slashing the problems and shaking things up over a very short period of time - but doing it in a way that deflects any blame or blowback away from you. As soon as the problems are hacked away, the hatchet man leaves - taking the ire and resentment with him, and leaving you free to bring in your new team for a fresh start.

This happens in the business world all the time. And Donald Trump is a businessman. He knows this. He has lived this. We've seen him do it on "The Apprentice." We've read about it in his books. This is not a surprise to anyone. Except for liberals and never-Trumpers.

Enter Scaramucci.

Liberals and never-Trumpers see the past two weeks as proof of a Hitler-clown-circus spectacle, as evidence that Trump is unhinged and our government is in the hands of madmen. Anyone who understands the business world and Donald Trump fully understands that what we just witnessed was a perfectly executed hatchet man maneuver.

When Trump won the election, he essentially performed the political equivalent of an acquisition and merger. He brought together different political factions - establishment Republicans, conservatives, tea party, religious right, moderates, independents, cross-overs - into one winning political coup. For some, it was a hostile takeover - and if they were going to be dragged in against their will, they would sure as hell resist.

This is where Reince Priebus came in.

Priebus, as the then-chairman of the Republican National Committee, was hired as White House Chief of Staff to be a sort of post-merger CEO. It was his job to bring all these political factions together and get them to work harmoniously. But he failed. Worse, there is ample evidence to suggest he not only failed, but worked against Trump and the Trump agenda Look at the leaks. Look at all the chaos. Look at all the bureaucracy continuing to work at odds with the president. Priebus - and a number of other people around him - had to go.

Back to Scaramucci.

Donald Trump has known for some time that Priebus was a disaster. He was going to give him his six-month trial period - that's a fairly common thing in the private sector. After that, heads were going to roll. But Trump himself doesn't want to be the hatchet man. He needs to be able to lead after the bloodbath. So what does he do? He turns to an old friend he has known for many years - someone with nothing to lose, someone who can step in with a hatchet and hack away, someone who can then just walk away from it all and leave the slate clean He turned to Scaramucci.

So what does Scaramucci do? He comes in swinging. He fires a few people to make a quick example. He tells others they can "resign" right now if they want to - but if not, they will be fired. Others see what is going on and just up and quit of their own accord.

That problem CEO, Priebus? Oh, the new "structure" of the organization puts Scaramucci in direct competition with Priebus - and Priebus throws up his hands and says "fine, I'm out of here." And Scaramucci does it all in a way that is spectacularly visible to draw all the fire from Trump critics.

So how does it all end? It ends with Trump putting in his new CEO - the one he probably wanted from day one, but held back - and the new CEO says "OK, Scaramucci - you are no longer needed here."

See Next Post for Page 2


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Post by Swamprat on Aug 28th, 2017, 10:56am

Page 2


Gen. Kelly now has a clean slate to start fresh - and Scaramucci takes all the heat. Where the left and never-Trumpers see a circus freak-show, realists from the business world see a perfectly executed post-merger hatchet-man job.

The political wonks see Kelly taking command as the first sane thing to happen in this administration. They don't realize they've been played, and played perfectly. And soon we will likely see some other changes that move the Executive Branch further towards what Trump has wanted from day one. And then watch the real swamp-drainer get to work. It sucks to be Hillary Clinton right now...

Oh, and Scaramucci? He gets a sweet deal out of all this - no doubt, he and his friend Donald Trump talked it all out first.

Scaramucci was already facing a nasty divorce that would result in the liquidation of his business to divide assets. A little-known law allows people who are legally required to sell a business as a condition of employment in the Executive Branch (to prevent conflicts of interest) to defer the taxes on their profits from the sale.

Scaramucci was going to have to sell his company anyway due to his pending divorce. Now he and his soon-to-be ex-wife just saved $80 million in taxes. So don't think for a moment all this was an unplanned mess that went awry. Scaramucci and Trump knew exactly what they were doing.

All of this was planned - and foreseen. Scott Adams wrote before Trump was inaugurated that, to his critics, the first year of Trump would be a play in three acts:

Act One - Trump is literally Hitler.

Act Two - Trump is not literally Hitler, but Trump is incompetent.

Act Three - Trump is not incompetent, but we don't like his policies.

We've seen this play out. From election night up through the first 100 days, the left was out rioting and acting as though Trump taking office was literally the end of Western Civilization.

But after 100 days, when Trump had failed to do evil-dictator things like round up all the brown people and put the gays into camps and force women to stay home and have babies, it became farcical to continue the "Trump is Hitler" narrative.

And so from that 100 day point up until now, it has been the "Trump is incompetent" game. Look at all the chaos. Look at all the leaking. Look at all the tweets. Now, we begin Act Three. With Priebus out and Kelly in, things will settle down. Pretty soon, all the left will have to say is "we just don't like Trump's policies."...Act Three.

And once that happens, the left is dead. Because, Trump's policies are policies that most Americans actually agree with. We should put America first. Build back our economy. Create jobs. Strengthen the military. Protect the border. Outside a few densely-populated liberal strongholds like New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and - of course - Washington, D.C., Americans in general agree with all of this. So when all the left has to say is "Trump's policies are wrong," the left will literally be telling most of America, "you people are stupid."

Trump should win 47 states in 2020. The left will be scratching their heads and wondering what the h*** happened. And you'll be able to look back and say, "hey, some of us told you all this back in 2017."

-Mack


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Aug 29th, 2017, 11:04am

"Fascism, American Style" - Paul Krugman NYT's


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/fascism-American-style/ar-AAqOUpN
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49CKGw8DXcw
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S95hrt1N0Dc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgZuk6e6MGw
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Post by Erno86 on Aug 31st, 2017, 4:53pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFkzfJCSg-c
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Post by LoneGunMan on Sep 1st, 2017, 08:18am

http://usalifebuzz.com/top-psychiatrist-trump-not-crazy/

BOMBSHELL: World’s top psychiatrist says Trump most BRILLIANT president ever

By usalifebuzz - May 12, 2017

No, Donald J. Trump is not crazy. He’s “crazy like a fox” according to world renowned psychiatrist Keith Ablow. Donald Trump may do things differently than anyone has ever done things, but it’s not just “off the cuff” as it may look. Trump has a genius mind, and everything he does is by design. Many times the CLM (Crooked Liberal Media) may think they are getting the best of President Trump, but in reality, they are doing exactly what he anticipated. How else do you think a presidential candidate could spend 1/2 as much as his opponent and win?

“WE’VE GOT A GENIUS IN THE OVAL OFFICE, AND IF WE THINK HE’S GOING TO SUBSCRIBE ENTIRELY TO PROTOCOL AND BE FLAWLESS AND POLISHED, THINK AGAIN!”

The liberal media is doing everything they can to bring our new president down. It’s our job to get the TRUTH out on social media.



Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Sep 1st, 2017, 12:37pm

Even some of Trump's fellow Republicans in Congress feel that DJT is "mentally unstable."

"Behind the scenes during a summer of crisis, however, Trump appears to pine for the days when the Oval Office was a bustling hub of visitors and gossip, over which he presided as impresario.

He fumes that he does not get the credit he thinks he deserves from the media or the allegiance from fellow Republican leaders he says he is owed.

He boasts about his presidency in superlatives, but confidants privately fret about his suddenly dark moods.

And some of Trump's friends fear that the short-tempered president is on a inevitable collision course with White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly.

excerpt quote: "Trump chafes at criticism, restrictions - Confidants fear president is on a collision course with his chief of staff." --- WaPo - Friday, September 1, 2017
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Post by Erno86 on Sep 2nd, 2017, 2:20pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjF1rmSV1dM
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Raf on Sep 6th, 2017, 4:13pm


I love Trump. Especially for the way he make libs act like the lunatics they accuse him of being.

48 pages of vitriol...really?
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Post by Sys_Config on Sep 15th, 2017, 3:24pm

No actually you are mentally ill and really need to get some help. You wait till I post then post to bump my topic from being read. You are a real jackass. Everyone can see that, repeating the same behaviour over and over..I was nice before..now I wont be.

edit..I just warned myself on civility

edit you are still an unoriginal poster. You can think for your self..the problem is only for yourself..Get smart and get a life and stop mindphucking posters you have an inexplicable issue with because the have a different politic.
Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Sep 20th, 2017, 4:18pm

"A Trumpian Debut"



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Post by Erno86 on Sep 20th, 2017, 4:20pm

"world war Trump"


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by MrGort on Sep 20th, 2017, 9:36pm

MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell launched into profanity-laced tirades at his staff during a taping of his show last month, complaining about "insanity in my earpiece" and begging someone to "stop the hammering!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=288&v=kLB1bZ2_VXE
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Post by Erno86 on Sep 22nd, 2017, 3:49pm

"Hurricane Mueller Storms the Trump Administration"


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Post by Erno86 on Sep 28th, 2017, 3:15pm

"Voodoo Gets Even Voodooier"

Paul Krugman, Sept. 28, 2017

http://www.krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/voodoo-gets-even-voodooier
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Post by MrGort on Oct 2nd, 2017, 3:55pm

Warped mind of a democrat

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html

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Post by Erno86 on Oct 4th, 2017, 3:43pm

"Donald Trump throws paper towels into crowd at Puerto Rico relief center."

"He really puts the 'axx' [Z] in 'compassion.' "



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Post by Erno86 on Oct 14th, 2017, 12:23pm

Why Didn't Trump Stand During Flag Lowering Ceremony?






Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Oct 15th, 2017, 12:54pm

"Start with a clear-eyed assessment of Trump's character: he basically has negative empathy-- that is, enjoys seeing others hurt. 2/ "

quote: Oct. 13 Paul Krugman twitter feed post

http://www.twitter.com/paulkrugman


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Post by Erno86 on Oct 25th, 2017, 1:37pm

"General Kelly Owes Representative Wilson an Apology" - The Daily Show
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Post by Erno86 on Oct 25th, 2017, 2:53pm

"Jeff Flake unloads on President Trump in Senate Floor Speech"




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Post by Erno86 on Oct 26th, 2017, 4:30pm

"The Battle For The Republican Party"


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Post by Erno86 on Oct 27th, 2017, 3:36pm

Prophets of Rage - "Hail To The Chief"


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Post by Erno86 on Oct 27th, 2017, 3:45pm

"How Trump is Mishandling the Opioid Crisis" - The Daily Show


Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
Post by Erno86 on Oct 28th, 2017, 2:12pm

Power Trip - "Executioners Axe (Swing of the Axe)"