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« Thread started on: Feb 4th, 2008, 06:51am »

Ok, I'm sure many of you are aware of the Pine Gap Joint Defence Facility in Alice Springs, Australia.

In my opinion it is all to often overlooked and there are many interesting things to think about when discussing the base.

I wanted to compile a few facts that may inspire a few of you to learn a little more about the place. I feel that there is more to Pine Gap than Area-51 and its possibly on a level similar to the Dulce Base.

Facts about Pine Gap:

  • There are at least ten top secret American facilities in Australia with the so- called 'Joint defence Space Research Facility' at Pine Gap outside Alice Springs being classified as the most important.
  • The American agencies involved with Pine Gap are the CIA, NSA and the NRO.
  • There were reasons for establishing the base which have never been fully revealed to the Australian government.
  • The main reasons for Pine Gap being situated where it is are proximity to the Pacific and Indian Oceans and Asia, it's Southern hemispheric window to outer space.
  • Construction of the base was undertaken by American contractors who flew in their own workforce from the U.S.A. on a shift basis.
  • Construction work continued for several years on large underground facilities which are rumoured to extend some twelve levels below the base.
  • Long tunnels are laid out in a pattern similar to the spokes of a wheel and extend several miles from the center of the base.
  • In a deep shielded underground chamber a nuclear reactor similar in size to those used to power submarines was installed to drive large AC and DC generators. (This is illegal and the US have ignored any opposition to this)
  • Reportedly, extending some twenty thousand feet below the base is a bore hole containing an ultra low frequency antenna which is apparently used for secret experiments supposedly related to Nikola Tesla's resonance theories as well as low frequency communications throughout the world.
  • The number of staff at Pine Gap varies between four hundred to five hundred at any one time and all except a liaison officer and his small staff are Americans.
  • The vast empty territory of central and South Australia has always been an area of high U.F.O. activity.
  • From the time the earthmoving equipment moved in there was a rapid rise in U.F.O. sightings in Alice Springs and the surrounding area. The regular sightings have continued to this day and some of them could only be described as bizarre.
  • One case which received some limited publicity in 1989 involved three hunters who were on an all night shooting trip in the hills near Pine Gap. At around 4.30a.m. they observed a large camouflaged door open on the side of a low hill inside the security compound and a metallic, circular disc appear from the gaping black hole, tip on it's edge and disappear vertically at tremendous speed. The door then slowly shut and everything returned to normal. The camouflage was so good that from their vantage point they were unable to observe anything unusual about the area after the door closed.
  • There are several other incidents of a similar nature which were reported by visitors to the area and in one case in 1975 the occupants of a passenger plane which was passing some eighteen miles to the east of the base observed a large white object, similar in size to one of the white radomes, suddenly leap into the air and disappear rapidly towards the north west. As everyone on the plane was interested in seeing what Pine Gap looked like, most of the passengers and crew witnessed the event. When the pilots reported the incident, everyone on the plane was interviewed and told not to talk about it.
  • A camouflaged door case occurred in 1980 when two members of the Northern Territory Police, who were taking part in a search for a missing Alice Springs child, watched as three 'bath tub' shaped objects flew slowly over the base and then one by one disappeared in to an oblong black hole in a hillside.
  • Another type of sighting involves, blue, red and gold pencil- like beams. In 1973 a government cartographer was camped in an area near Pine Gap. Some time after midnight he saw a vertical shaft of very bright blue light emanating from the area of the base. He decided to take a closer look. He drove his four wheel drive to the top of a low hill from which the Pine Gap base could be seen some eight miles to the east. There was a full moon so the white radomes could be seen quite clearly with the naked eye. Taking a closer look through his twelve power binoculars he could see most of the base as well as a strange looking object apparently hovering above it at a height he estimated to be around one thousand feet. Firstly he thought it was a cigar shaped balloon or blimp but this idea quickly evaporated when the object slowly tipped to a 45* angle exposing what appeared to be it's top surface to the now somewhat surprised observer. It was clear that the object was perfectly circular with a central dome. As the bottom edge was still about one thousand feet above the base, the cartographer estimated the diameter of the disc to be a little more than half the distance between the Pine Gap base and the disc's bottom edge, making it between five and six hundred feet in diameter.
  • A more complex sighting involved five witnesses in 1984. The leader of this group was a technical expert with a Western Australian government department who had received persistent reports from colleagues of intensive U.F.O. activity around Alice Springs and Pine Gap. He was told that between certain dates something big was going to happen. The information was so intriguing that he decided to mount a clandestine expedition to Central Australia and to approach Pine Gap from the west through the Gibson Desert and MacDonnell Ranges.

    They used two specially prepared four wheel drives and once in the area of the MacDonnell Ranges traveled only at night in an effort to reduce the chances of detection. After reaching the Pine Gap area they concealed the vehicles and positioned themselves in an elevated area which overlooked the base at a distance of about ten miles. As they had several small size astronomical telescopes with them they had no difficulty in gaining a good view of most of the base area. For the first two days and nights very little happened. Apart from the occasional movement of small vehicles and a few people everything was quiet. The group was becoming a little impatient but decided to sit it out for at least a week in the hope they would see something interesting. During the evening of the fourth day they noticed some unusual activity developing in the main base area. A number of vehicles were moving around the base and what appeared to be groups of people dressed in coveralls were gathering at various points near the radomes. Suddenly a bright beam of gold coloured light sprang up from the centre of the radome area. This was not a pencil- like beam but seemed to be several meters in width and extremely intense. The width of the beam appeared to remain the same as far as it could be seen extending vertically into the sky. When observed through the telescope it looked almost solid.

    As they watched, long uneven clouds developed in the clear air surrounding the beam which despite a breeze blowing at the time remained stationary. The beam suddenly cut off and the tubular cloud started to drift to the east like a vertical vapour trail. The beam pulsed several times and each time it did so the cloud effect returned even forming what looked like a series of smoke rings. No one in the group could explain why but they all felt extremely disturbed by what they had just seen even to the point of nausea.

    But the show had only just started. The gold light beam shot down and once again the dirty looking clouds started drifting away. It was at that point that the group noticed five star like objects approaching from the South. As they drew closer four of the objects were seen to be in a tight diamond shaped formation and the fifth which looked like a cylinder was following at a distance of about two miles. The objects slowed as they reached the base area the four smaller objects took up positions north, south, east and west of the base each moving in small circles. The cylindrical shaped object which appeared white in colour with a bright while halo around it's center moved towards the base reducing altitude to about five hundred feet in the process. It then stopped, rocking up and down like a boat at it's moorings. Once in position blue light beams started flashing between all five objects and the ground. The whole scene was more than bizarre as it appeared that extraterrestrial craft were in direct communication with the human occupants of the base below them.
  • The initial task of the NSA was to establish and develop reliable and secure communications with extraterrestrials who were visiting earth and find out as much as possible about them. There are strong indications that to this day the NSA is deeply involved with the U.F.O.'s and their primary activity is to identify and monitor alien communications and to suppress any information that may confirm their reality to the public.


There is lots more information available on Pine Gap and its all very interesting.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 07:47am »

Hi DarkHand

Here are some links to information that you may or may not have known about regarding Prime Minister Gough Whitlam who was set up and ousted because he felt the Australian public should know about Pine Gap.

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_oz/cia_oz3.htm

http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/0814.html

http://www.cia.com.au/vic/cia.6.txt

http://www.rense.com/general2/wx.htm

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« Reply #2 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 07:50am »

on Feb 4th, 2008, 07:47am, Luvey wrote:
Hi DarkHand

Here are some links to information that you may or may not have known about regarding Prime Minister Gough Whitlam who was set up and ousted because he felt the Australian public should know about Pine Gap.

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_oz/cia_oz3.htm

http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/0814.html

http://www.cia.com.au/vic/cia.6.txt

http://www.rense.com/general2/wx.htm

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Thanks Luvey, I'm aware of Prime Minister Whitlam. I just wanted to post some basic information for those unfamiliar with the base.

Ive been speaking with an ex worker of Pine Gap who has some good information although he respects his secrecy agreement and doesnt go into to much detail. I will post transcripts soon.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 07:52am »

Thanks DarkHand....

Being an Aussie I am interested in this subject.

Luvey

EDIT: Something that irks me about what is happening in the region is that they make out that all the Aussies up there are drunks....and laugh off their UFO sightings. This is not true.... I have family up that way and they are not drunks.... and one group of family up that way don't even drink alcohol. Its true they do drink a fair bit up there but it is so hot up there you can fry and egg on your car. A cold beer quenches the thirst.... but it does not make anyone who sees a UFO a drunk.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 08:22am »

Ok here are some comments made by the insider I mentioned:

"...Water is used for cooking, drinking and washing and is also used for cooling. I am not going to say WHAT is being cooled but it's actually three different things all of which are 100% obvious if you think about it. One of them would be sort of against the law in the territory of Australia (The Nuclear Reactor)."

I asked "is Pine Gap deserving of a conspiracy?

"...It is the absolute devil-guaranteed blackest of black heart of one. Forget Area 51. There's a reason one of its internal nicknames is Area 52... "

"... But it is a place of work. WORK. People just... work. If you have ever been on an aircraft carrier? Big one? Same kind of deal in some ways. For the upper levels people. Below that it's a different world. Almost literally."

"...Pine Gap is ultimately a lot more like the way people think Area 51 is than Area 51 ever was and Area 51 itself is pretty amazing. But definitely more in the Aviation Weekly column rather than the Flying Saucers Are Real column. Whereas Pine Gap... is less in the Aviation Weekly column. Space Defence means just that. Defending against threats."

"...does australia benefit at all from what goes on there? I would like to think so, yes. Is it a testing ground for energy based weapons or is it purely information gathering? It doesn't do much testing but it uses technology and has done for years...and you probably cant answer this is there anything extra terrestrial there? (such as beings, technology, material) There is definitely ET stuff there. However the nature of the material might either truly shock your socks off or just leave you going "oh."

"1. Are you an Australian national?
Definitely got a passport

2. What proportion of the base do you believe you saw?
100%

3. Is there a nuclear reactor onsite? If yes, how is waste disposed?
No comment

4. What is your estimate of the total population of the base on an average day?
No comment but it is not a ghost town

5. Is there an underground link to the base from Alice Springs Airport?
Depends which airport you mean

6. Is there an underground link to any other major city or location in Australia?
Major location- yes that would have to be a yes

7. Do you have to wear a Geiger counter (lapel or otherwise) onsite?
No comment

8. Which US agency has the biggest presence at Pine Gap?
NRO

9. Did you witness any classified aircraft or manmade ufo objects which are currently still top secret?
No comment

10. What would happen if Peter Garrett (environment minister) tried to have the base closed? As if he would. He is a puppet of a puppet. You have more power BEFORE you take office and sign your soul away."

"...There isn't an underground maglev train between the two sites or anything like that if that's what you mean, to the best of my knowledge."

"...It's eerily quiet most of the time so it's more like a library except in the yards and the deep corridors."

"...for example, what is there more evidence of- Grays, or Little Green Men from Mars? Honestly? Might not be strong evidence, but which has more inherent likelihood based on what anyone can know? Same with secret airframes. I've seen a big man-made "triangle" and it is amazing. But not alien. I've also seen the occasional "UFO" that, whilst it must have a physical explanation, and is amazing, may be a spaceship or it may not, and sometimes just a half of a rock can be as big a surprise as a whole craft lit up like a christmas tree."

"...You can never quit so my new work is not completely unconnected. As for problems- yes I have my share."

"...I saw literally acres of dirt getting just trucked out and on something like a dozen occasions it got flown out. No kidding. Crates of dirt."

"...There are a range of items collected in near space, on the Moon and on Mars. As far as I know nothing has been collected on Venus. Some of the stuff shows signs of life. As in, life NOW, something alive on the rock or the item. In one case, inside the item."

"...I saw little creepy crawly things inside a fluid which was inside a rock from Mars. They looked like little octopus headed centipedes. I don't know exactly how big they are but the rock they are inside is miniscule. The things themselves are or were in an aquarium where they were set up in a sort of poisonous fish tank arrangement. They are being used for the full range of potential stuff you'd imagine- cancer cures, nerve gas, new plastics, plastic surgery, nerve regeneration. I have to say they looked anything but friendly, really quite nightmarish. If you've ever seen flukes or parasites like that up close- that same sort of grim animal purposefulness in their twitchy movements."

"...Some of the other stuff is space junk that apparently doesn't come from any Earth launch. Couple of the pieces are Methuselah old, so definitely not from us. There is also a small satellite which is one of apparently thousands put up there as a perimeter around the Earth by... somebody else. It certainly doesn't look like any of the ones we were briefed about (ours and foreign) and didn't look terrestrial."

"...My favourite of the items is glowing Moon water- never found out what the story was with that beyond the fact that it came from a crater up there."

"...Yes it is a defence installation and some of the stuff it is intended to help defend against is spooky, most is absolutely predictable stuff. "

"... would be reluctant to use the word Nordic for them. Anyway, they look like... us. No scars, no fingerprints, "good looking", fit in with clothes and hair usually. Sense of calm around them."


There was lots that the guy wouldnt go into but I think the above comments are very interesting.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 09:10am »

Thanks again DarkHand….. it was interesting to read.

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"...Water is used for cooking, drinking and washing and is also used for cooling. I am not going to say WHAT is being cooled but it's actually three different things all of which are 100% obvious if you think about it. One of them would be sort of against the law in the territory of Australia (The Nuclear Reactor)."


There isn't a lot of water in that region unless they are using water from an underground water supply. I believe there is an underground lake that runs from Kalgoorlie to the Pilbara region with enough water to last 400 years. They would need a hell of a lot of water to cool a nuclear reactor!!

Australians on the whole are against Nuclear power…… a nuclear reactor if it blew up would take most of Australia off the map. Any wonder goings on there are kept secret….. there would be an outcry and they know it.

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6. Is there an underground link to any other major city or location in Australia?
Major location- yes that would have to be a yes


Probably to Canberra……

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« Reply #6 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 8:23pm »

on Feb 4th, 2008, 09:10am, Luvey wrote:
Thanks again DarkHand….. it was interesting to read.



There isn't a lot of water in that region unless they are using water from an underground water supply. I believe there is an underground lake that runs from Kalgoorlie to the Pilbara region with enough water to last 400 years. They would need a hell of a lot of water to cool a nuclear reactor!!

Australians on the whole are against Nuclear power…… a nuclear reactor if it blew up would take most of Australia off the map. Any wonder goings on there are kept secret….. there would be an outcry and they know it.



Probably to Canberra……

Luvey


Not sure if they could tap into the Artesian Basin which is described here http://www.nrw.qld.gov.au/water/gab/
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 03:06am »

I just wonder what the Nuclear reactor is used for as I know power for the base comes from an on site electricity facility as Pine Gap is independent from any local power grids.

Having said that, the electricity facility is rumoured to be constantly offline. It could be that the electricity facility is a cover for the reactor that is not actually used.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 06:15am »

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The Artesian Basin would be a fair distance from Pine Gap and across the desert..... Where they are getting their water from for cooling is a mystery. Its so hot and dry out there....what a Godforsaken place to be. Whatever they are doing there must be important and we know secretive because who on earth would want to be there.....
I visited Duke Power Plant in NC while in the US and was told that they built a lake with a 525mile shoreline to use the water for cooling the nuclear reactor etc..... so that is a lot of water.... I don't know if they do have a nuclear reactor there at Pine Gap.....because of the water issue.... but I could be wrong.
Much of Australia is in drought yet I have been told the environmentalists will not allow the underground lake to be tapped.

DarkHand... what kind of power plant would they have there, coal? Can you see Ash ponds on the pictures of Pine Gap? There are no coal mines around the area that I know of, and no water...... So I wonder how are they making their electricity.

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« Reply #9 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 06:24am »

They must be getting their water from somewhere as nobody would set up a facility as large as Pine Gap out in the middle of nowhere without a water supply.

There have been environmental protests at Pine Gap. I may be wrong but I believe one protesting group actually made it onto the base itself. I have seen the photos of this. I'll take a look for them now.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 06:35am »

Ok, on the water issue I found this taken from the following website:

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"JULY 1967

Mr Noel GEE, the general construction supervisor, discloses what was supposed to be a secret.

He reveals that there is extensive drilling taking place at the facility. Mr GEE then rebutted his own comment saying that his workers had drilled two water bores and that the Facility would be self sufficient.

Mr GEE further anounces that the facility would have an unspecified number of buildings constructed mainly of concrete block work with little timber used.

The facility under construction is open to the media for one day. Journalists saw numerous trucks and earth-moving equipment, tents and a large trench set amidst the numerous roads and tracks around the construction site."


Taken from: http://roswell.fortunecity.com/callanish/129/pinegap_history.htm

Here is a little info on the protestors that got into the facility itself.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Australian_activists_break_into_Pine_Gap_spy_facility

Here is some info about the Electricity at the facility:

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"...The Pine Gap base also has an above ground diesel powered generating station which, it is claimed, is the only power station there. If that is so why is it shut down most of the time? If you need an electromagnetic free area you don't build a power station in the middle of it. Of course it can be used when the base was not operating but then what keeps everything running when it is turned off, batteries? Pine Gap is not connected to an outside electricity supply."


Taken from: http://www.2012.com.au/Pine_Gap,other_bases.html

I will dig into this a little more.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 06:49am »

Ok, I think this sorts the water issue out:

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Extraction in the Pine Gap \ Roe Creek Area
There are two producing production bores in the Mereenie Sandstone at Pine Gap and 15 producing and standby production bores in the Roe Creek area. Some 254,000 ML (mega litres or million litres) have been extracted from the Mereenie Aquifer System over the previous 40 years (pumping commenced in 1964).


Taken from: http://www.nt.gov.au/nreta/water/aswrs/pdf/aswrs_2005.pdf

The two bore holes tie in with a construction workers testimony from when the base was being built.

It should also be noted that construction began on the base in the 60's and the government document quoted above states that:


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"...Some 254,000 ML (mega litres or million litres) have been extracted from the Mereenie Aquifer System over the previous 40 years (pumping commenced in 1964)."


Do we think that clears up the water supply issue? smiley
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I couldn't help but post this (Even though this topic is now quite a few years old). Even so, This may be an intersting read for anyone unfamiliar with Pine Gap here in Australia...
http://www.2012.com.au/Pine_Gap,other_bases.html
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 6th, 2013, 07:08am »

Bloody hell it is like reading about my own door step Kirknewton Scotland, before any American service man can come here he has to do three years national service the a further six years in Germany getting security clearance then he is listed as a cook . All very similar, time 1940 until present day, deep underground base with tunnels, lots of UFOs, estimated three battalions stationed here yet you cannot find them, all this is built into a large natural fault and run by the USAF.
MAKES YOU WONDER JUST HOW MANY PINE GAPS EXCIST?
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