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Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by B J Booth on Sep 29th, 2002, 11:02am

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Area 51, also know as the Groom Lake testing facility
is a top-secret testing ground maintained by the
United States Government. Its secrets are held
captive each year by Presidential order. Located approximately 90 miles north of Las Vegas, Nevada, it covers about 60 square miles of space.

Its perimeter is guarded with cutting edge security,
and its workers fly in and out, living at the base while they work, and are sworn to secrecy.

The development of military planes was its original purpose, according to "official" statements, but it
has always been associated with
"reverse engineering" of captured UFOs.

What do you think is really going on at this secret facility?





Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by alieneve on Sep 29th, 2002, 11:06am

Lots of people have taken pictures and even videos out there, and a bunch has been on Discovery channel, and TLC. It is real interesting, and I think that are working on alien craft there.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rocketman on Sep 29th, 2002, 11:16am

Real interesting place, Area 51. I saw a good show on Larry king when he was out there. There are some people who research this place full time, and then there was that Bob Lazar. He told alot about seeing UFO craft there. I think he was one of the people who had video tape of some UFOs flying over area 51.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Merlin on Sep 29th, 2002, 11:29am

Yes i have to agree that the US government certainly has something to hide at this facility it would be really interesting to find out what exactly but im sure we shall never find out not in our life time. The only thing i could see happening is a situation or a accident of some kind that the powers that be couldn't hide. Until then who knows.
I think one day i shall have to make a pilgramage to area 51 groom lake rachel or what ever just to say i have been as close as i can be to the big secret grin

regards

Rich Clements

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by The Traveler on Sep 29th, 2002, 11:33am

Good point, Rich.. I would love to get as close as I could to it,,, and I want to see the Extraterrestrial Highway too.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by alieneve on Sep 29th, 2002, 12:13pm

I got pretty close to Area 51 once on a trip, but my boyfriend would not go where I wanted to go. Anyhow, he is not with me anymore...LOL
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Merlin on Sep 29th, 2002, 12:24pm

Did you know area 51 has uk links!!

I'm not saying there are UFO's involved but there shared technology certainly is. There is a airbase on the western scottish coast called RAF Machrinish (bad spelling im going from memory) which has a very long runway and in UK terms is very remote so what you may think but on may occations civilian radar operators have picked up unidentified fast moving aircraft in the area of this base which is supposed to be inactive there is even a civilian part to the airfiled which i believe is only used once or twice per week. The UK government is the total opposite to the US govenrment when it has something to hide they place very little security around as they can then say look if this had something worth while we would have more security i hope im making sense. Anyhow it has been said that during the small hours strange looking aircraft have been seen landing at this faciility why would the US government want to fly a top secret project with reverse engineered alien technology to the UK well it has been well documented that BAE systems had a part to play in the construction of the F-117 Stealth fighter so who knows maybe they have staff and personel working at groom lake. There also is another base located not far from stonehenge which is basically the UK equivalent of Edwards one night i forget how long ago there was a accident of a top secret us black project a/c whilst on take off which im told killed the pilot it was still on the runway at first light and it was covered over by a tarpauling and was shipped back to the us in a galaxy transport which is very hard to hide and very unusal to see at this base. I think that area 51 does have alien artifacts and is in the position of reverse engineering the technology for military purposes at this time im sure something will filter down given time. Oh i also read this is a little off topic but recently a radar operator in the area of RAF Machinish reported a object doing 3000mph but was 10 MILES long and so many miles wide you work that out.


Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by B J Booth on Sep 30th, 2002, 9:39pm

Thanks for adding this information, Merlin. This is exactly the kind of interaction that we need. We all learn from each other.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by alieneve on Oct 1st, 2002, 10:09am

I have tried to find the Larry King show on a video on the internet, but have had no luck. Can anyone help me find it, I tried everything I know of, but nothing yet. I bet they will never show it again.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by B J Booth on Oct 1st, 2002, 10:15pm

This is from the UFO Casebook newsletter of 9-28,

http://ufocasebook.com/92802.html

Bush reissues order keeping AREA 51 secret

Sept. 18 — For more than four decades, an unusual alliance of mainstream lawyers, conspiracy theorists and UFO enthusiasts has tried to find out just what is going on at Groom Lake, Nev. — the top-security Air Force facility better known to fans of “The X-Files” as Area 51. Now they will have to wait at least another year after
President Bush reissued an executive order Wednesday barring the disclosure of any information about the site.

According to one popular theory, the government studies alien paceships at Area 51, where it keeps captured unidentified flying objects stored in underground bases and conducts autopsies on aliens.

IN THE CONTINUATION of a drama played out every
Sept. 18 since 1995, Bush signed the order to make sure that lawyers pursuing hazardous-waste claims against the Environmental Protection Agency could not get their hands on classified information about the site, which lies in the middle of a remote stretch of desert
100 miles north of Las Vegas.


By Alex Johnson
MSNBC



Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Jan on Oct 1st, 2002, 10:54pm

IN THE CONTINUATION of a drama played out every
Sept. 18 since 1995, Bush signed the order to make sure that lawyers pursuing hazardous-waste claims against the Environmental Protection Agency could not get their hands on classified information about the site, which lies in the middle of a remote stretch of desert
100 miles north of Las Vegas.


Good point! and exactly why I think there are craft out there that have been reverse engineered from alien craft. Is this the third or fourth president that has maintained area 51 as top secret? I believe the people that have come forward to tell of their experiences with area 51 and other fascilities.

http://www.rense.com/fastq.idq?CiScope=%2F&FastDir=%2F&HTMLQueryForm=%2Fsearch.htm&CiRestriction=ufo+AND+area+51&B1=Submit

go here. thers lots of good stuff! Jan
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Merlin on Oct 2nd, 2002, 1:24pm

How come the president only passes this law and it only lasts for one year why don't he just do it until some real distant date. I may be missing some real fundimental constitutional rule as im not a us citizen sorry im just wondering

Merlin
Re: Area 51, Merlin
Post by The Traveler on Oct 4th, 2002, 11:28am

I read this in the UFO Casebook Newsletter of 9-21:

Although exasperated government lawyers say nothing nefarious is going on at Groom Lake, they have gone to herculean lengths to make sure no one knows what is going on at Groom Lake.

President Dwight Eisenhower began the process all the way back in 1955, when he issued an executive order restricting airspace over the site. Then, in 1995,
President Bill Clinton raised the stakes by issuing an order clamping down on discussion or release of any information whatsoever.

That was about the time attorneys for former government workers began taking their rejected medical claims to court. Those lawyers believe the government is trying to keep the site secret to avoid having to admit it mishandled hazardous materials, exposing the workers to toxic fumes when it allegedly dumped poisonous resins into open pits and burned them in the 1970s and ’80s.



Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by alieneve on Oct 4th, 2002, 8:38pm

Area 51 Timeline

April, 1955: Groom Lake is chosen as a test site for the U-2.

July, 1955: Area 51 is finished, and the first U-2 was shipped on July 23.

June 20, 1958: 38,400 acres are withdrawn to create a security perimeter

November, 1958: An A-12 is shipped to Area 51.

January, 1962: Existing restricted airspace is expanded.

1965: The base population reaches over 1800.

November, 1977: The F117 prototype is shipped to Area 51.

May, 1981: The first production of the F117 is airlifted to Area 51.

1984: Nearly 89,000 acres of land is seized to push the border of restricted land far from the base.

July 17, 1988: A soviet spy satellite takes a photo of Area 51 which is released in "Popular Science," and other publications.

April 10, 1995: Freedom Ridge and WhiteSides peak are taken from public access




Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by BettyHill on Oct 21st, 2002, 08:45am

I enjoy your board here on Area 51, but just remember the Government has many others similar to Area 51, and there are hidden things at those also. I have even entertained the idea that 51 may be there to attract attention to itself, thereby diverting attention from other bases. Possibility?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Louise on Oct 22nd, 2002, 09:07am

You are so very right Betty...it's just like Wag The Dog? They divert you away from a main issue to something else, and before you know it, that issue is dead and gone. I'ts kind of funny if you read between the lines on some things there you may or will find out some truths..
Undergrounds are all around the world..Even not far from me in New York and I hear there is also one in Penna..but I'm not sure on the location of that one..(Mountain Region)
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Merlin on Oct 22nd, 2002, 3:51pm

Taking the underground facilities one step further there is a underground base near where i live it can be accessed by road or rail the entrance has very little security and it is said that in the time of war or whatever i live in the UK by the way, The Government and the Royal Family would be moved here. It is also said that there are other secrets stored here what exactly no one knows


Merlin
Re: Area 51, My own little story.
Post by B J Booth on Oct 28th, 2002, 11:48am

I was born in a city called Temple, Texas, and although I have moved a bit here and there, I, in my older days, have moved back within about 12 miles of my birth town.

Living about 25 miles from Fort Hood most of my life, I have heard stories about what is kept underground at a base called Grey Air Force, which is separate from but adjacent to Ft. Hood. About anything you could image had been put forward as to what was kept there, atomic bombs, secret weapons, communications center, etc.

In 1965, yes I was already alive then, I was an angry, young, long-haired hippie who played in a dang good band. Lead guitar and back up vocals. We played Beatles' tunes, Stones, Doors, Rascals, you name it.

Anyway, we got the gig for New Years Eve at the Grey Base, which paid 400.00 for about 4 hours, there were 4 of us in the group, and that kind of money in that day was a weeks salary. We jumped on the opportunity.

Our manager, Mr. William Blackburn, was a well-known business man in the Killeen, Texas area and managed the reputable Cowhouse Motel there. His son, Bill was our drummer, and a good one. Anyway Mr. Blackburn was given instructions on how to approach the base, and get clearance.

On that New Year's Eve we took off to the base in three vehicles, and one trailer with our equipment. Located just off US 190, we came to the front gate. There was a security facility, with one soldier manning the rarely approached gate.

Mr. Blackburn led the way, and stopped at the gate, we were all rubbernecking to see what came next. In under 60 seconds, two jeeps approached us. We were instructed to follow the first jeep, and the second one brought up the rear.

Each jeep had one driver, two armed guards which kept their weapons at their side the whole time. Also, each vehicle had a mounted machine gun on the back. We followed the first one in to the place of the New Year's celebration. As we arrived, the two guards on the first jeep led us into the dressing and stage area. They stayed right by the stage througout the gig. Each hour we took a fifteen minute break, which meant exiting through the dressing room door and going outside, where the other two armed guards watched us the whole time. They said nothing to us, and we nothing to them. The two jeeps were parked nearby, the driver still sitting behind the wheel.

After about 4 hours, the entire process was repeated as we left the base. This brings up no closer to the truth behind the mysteries, but it does tell us something. There are things hidden from the general public that are guarded heavily, and anyone who would attempt to access these secrets would pay with their life.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Leonia on Oct 28th, 2002, 4:38pm

This one looks just like some of the craft that have been photographed.


Agile and stealthy
It is a single seat, single engine design and with a reported maximum altitude of 6100 metres (20,000 feet). Its top speed is a relatively sedate 480 km/h (300 mph).


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The aircraft has been revealed but the stealth technologies remain secret (Image: Boeing)
The unconventional configuration of the Bird of Prey suggests it has been designed to be highly agile and stealthy. But even though the aircraft itself has been revealed to the public, the stealth systems designed to suppress acoustic, infra-red, radar and even visual signatures are likely to be as highly classified as ever.
Sources suggest they may include active camouflage systems to reduce visibility by using panels or coatings that change colour or luminosity. This could allow safe combat missions in daylight, rather than being restricted to night flying. "And that would represent a revolutionary milestone in aerial warfare," says Cook.
It is known that such technologies have been studied for several years, most probably at the remote test site in the Nevada desert near Groom Lake, better known as Area 51. This was also the probable location for the Bird of Prey's 38 test flights.

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by moonshadow on Nov 3rd, 2002, 09:57am

I saw an excellent documentary on Area 51 the other night of the History Channel. There were a number of things I learned from the show. They did talk about the secret planes and such, but also about how the government has slowly bought more and more land thereby keeping the public further and furthe away.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Beamship on Nov 5th, 2002, 12:18pm

Yes, I believe that there were some pretty brave people that had come a little close, and taken some still and moving pics that got out to the public. They stopped it cold.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Backlit on Nov 10th, 2002, 11:41pm

In regards to Bettys comment I should agree that area 51 holds our attention sort of like a traffic accident. I personally feel that anything of great interest has left there. That is not to say that highly secret testing of first generation conventional aircraft no longer goes on there. But my bet is somewhere out in the middle of nowhere Canadian wilderness is where they went. Low population and the bears don't talk. UFO's don't need much runway to speak of.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by B J Booth on Nov 13th, 2002, 6:50pm

You could be right about this, I am sure at least, that Area 51 is not the only place that ultra top secret programs are conducted. It's popularity has made it a magnet for UFO truth seeks, and therefore virtually eliminating interest in many of the other underground facilities.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Nov 17th, 2002, 03:56am

What better way to hide the fact that U.F.O`s and their occupants exsist, than keeping Area 51 in the limelight so to speak, whilst moving it all elsewhere, and there are plenty of elsewheres.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Merlin on Nov 18th, 2002, 04:40am

If you think about it deception is a big weapon of the military it's used big time in the event of war get your enemy looking the other way so to speak whilst you sneak in the back door i honestly think there is no longer any alien stuff at area 51 anymore thats not to say that there wasn't at some point once the rumour got out they switched the experiment to some other facilities else where.



Merlin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by temptedflirt on Jan 7th, 2003, 11:40am

well. its been said.. that you can go on a mountian and take pictures from there. but its hard to see. all you can pretty much see is the building. well i think it has something to do with aliens. i find it quite interesting. grin

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by B J Booth on Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:51am

There was a time when you could take some pics with a good camera, but Uncle Sam has slowly but suredly bought up more and more land around Groom Lake, making it farther and farher away for general public access.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Jan 29th, 2003, 9:59pm

Yeah, but for what purpose. Could this be a way of keeping the limelight for anything extraterrestrial at area 51, or keeping us focused on area 51 whilst the extraterrestrial stuff is elsewhere.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by AbductedSoul on Feb 6th, 2003, 06:13am

cool US: Hello, area 51? Them: Yes. US: Me and the boys got a few questions for you would you mind? Them: No go ahead ask away then. US: Okay then we was wonderin why you keep buying land so we cant look over ya once or twice a week ? .Them:......US: Come on then you said ask away, Them uhum well security reasons. US oh you me all them top secret planes that ain't top secret anymore? Them: Well yes, US: A bit pointless then? Unless you got something else out there, Have You? Them: hmmmm no not really. US: I see so all them tunnels aint out there under that new land then THEM: silence US: They was top secret also sorry about all this but we just wanted to clarify things Okay off we go tootles Them Sigh US click Hope this made a statement I agree with you it has all been shipped underground that is why they need land, I did the first part as humor . I know I am twisted. Peace and safety AbductedSoul
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by holland on Feb 8th, 2003, 3:04pm

on Sep 29th, 2002, 12:24pm, Merlin wrote:
Did you know area 51 has uk links!!

I'm not saying there are UFO's involved but there shared technology certainly is. There is a airbase on the western scottish coast called RAF Machrinish (bad spelling im going from memory) which has a very long runway and in UK terms is very remote so what you may think but on may occations civilian radar operators have picked up unidentified fast moving aircraft in the area of this base which is supposed to be inactive there is even a civilian part to the airfiled which i believe is only used once or twice per week. The UK government is the total opposite to the US govenrment when it has something to hide they place very little security around as they can then say look if this had something worth while we would have more security i hope im making sense. Anyhow it has been said that during the small hours strange looking aircraft have been seen landing at this faciility why would the US government want to fly a top secret project with reverse engineered alien technology to the UK well it has been well documented that BAE systems had a part to play in the construction of the F-117 Stealth fighter so who knows maybe they have staff and personel working at groom lake. There also is another base located not far from stonehenge which is basically the UK equivalent of Edwards one night i forget how long ago there was a accident of a top secret us black project a/c whilst on take off which im told killed the pilot it was still on the runway at first light and it was covered over by a tarpauling and was shipped back to the us in a galaxy transport which is very hard to hide and very unusal to see at this base. I think that area 51 does have alien artifacts and is in the position of reverse engineering the technology for military purposes at this time im sure something will filter down given time. Oh i also read this is a little off topic but recently a radar operator in the area of RAF Machinish reported a object doing 3000mph but was 10 MILES long and so many miles wide you work that out.



Hi here's some info regarding RAF Machrihanish,

http://www.javelin.org.uk/machrihanish.htm

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by B J Booth on Feb 15th, 2003, 1:00pm

thanks for that link. I went over there, and it is a good take on the secrets there.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by The Traveler on Mar 30th, 2003, 06:05am

thanks, good report
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by NYUFOHUNTER on Apr 12th, 2003, 3:14pm

What do you all make of the September 1997, Art Bell phone call?

http://www.metatech.org/Art_Bell_Area_51_aliens_audio_tape.html


I downloaded it and It really creeped me out the first time I heard it. Anyone would just say it was a prank call, but how do you explain them being knocked off the air?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Apr 12th, 2003, 4:23pm

Thats an incredible recording. Its the first time I`ve ever heard it. The guy was obviously frightend of something. I just have to wonder what he was medically discharged for. And as for the loss of power at the station, I`ve absolutley no idea what could have caused that and they certainly did not either. Good stuff and welcome to the casebook N.Y. I hope you continue to come here and talk.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by NYUFOHUNTER on Apr 13th, 2003, 9:08pm

Thanks grin I love this site, has lots of info and the video collection is huge shocked
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Apr 14th, 2003, 07:53am

Ido not think H.J. will mind at me pasteing this to the board. I hope not because it is a very good reply.

Hi rob,

Well, I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over it but it's interesting. The guy did a good job of acting if it's faked or, there is the possibility that he believed it even though it was fantasy. I vote for that. Now, as far as the signal being knocked out, when things like this happen, it's easy to brush aside the coincidence factor.

Thanks for that my friend grin. I like it straight to the point. I do have to admit myself, that the fact he was medically dischared does give the fantasy factor top of the pops, but if there was a ounce of truth about it, would not this be the governments ideal way of covering it up. Make everyone who says something like this a laughing stock. Make it that the guy is a nut wink.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Apr 14th, 2003, 08:06am

For those of you who cannot wait the 15 mins here is a transcript courtesy of the Meta tech website.

Hello Art? Art? Hi....I don't have a whole lot of time..um...I was a former employee of Area 51...I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago...and...and...(starts to cry)...I kinda been running across the country...um...um....man....I don't know WHERE to start......they'll triangulate on this position really, really soon... (starting to break up and get more frantic--Art tells him to give us something quick>wink...OK...um...um....What we're thinking of as Aliens ...they're EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL BEINGS...that an earlier precursor of the SPACE PROGRAM MADE CONTACT WITH...uh...they are NOT what they claim to be...uh...they have INFILTRATED a lot of aspects of the MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT particularily Area 51...uh...the DISASTERS that are coming...the GOVERNMENT knows about them....and there's a lot of SAFE AREAS in this WORLD THAT THEY COULD BEGIN MOVING THE POPULATION TO...N O W - Art.....but they are NOT doing anything about it... THEY WANT THE MAJOR POPULATION CENTERS - WIPED OUT SO THAT THE FEW THAT ARE LEFT WILL BE MORE EASILY CONTROLLABLE....(breaking up more, starting to cry...)...I started getting...." Silence - Art went off the air at that point

So come on all you peole out there lets hear your veiws on this.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Apr 15th, 2003, 9:50pm

But H.J. thats what I was sort of saying. People always say that. Oh , don`t listern to him , he`s paranoid or schitzoid. But thats the perfect cover for a conspiracy, is it not? I mean imagine, I regard myself as normal as the next man, but because I beleive in ufo`s, people think I`m strange and say " oh look, its only bob, just humor him", and it goes no further. Can you understand what I`m trying to get at. I know it does not sound to clear but I don`t know how else to say it. huh
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by snoopy on Apr 24th, 2003, 4:07pm

hey ive just join and look at most of the stuff on this section,its really great to know they r people out ther that believe that the goverment are keepin thins from us,ther r alot of thins on this planet that r never explain and we always get no comment from goverments...i watched a program about a creature in a far away hot country that was killin people in the forest and people who saw it didnt no wat it was and if people wer just makin up storys why did they send in the fbi and cleared miles of the area and said they wud shot any 1 who try tryed to go passed fenced areas,they wer ther 4r 4 months and after they left the local people wer payed money 4r all the trouble and the creature was never spotted again.god knows wat they did in ther 4r 4 months or wat they found. oops i think ive wrote to much 4r a new member welcome lol rolleyes
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Apr 25th, 2003, 1:34pm

Hi Snoopy, Welcome aboard. You can never say to much, not on this forum anyway. I do not know the program you saw but someone on this forum will. There is a lot of stuff about area 51 that we will just never know about. It could be a genetic experiment gone wrong. Maybe thats why their covering it up. I hope you continue to post here.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Apr 25th, 2003, 6:40pm

Hey H.J. From when Hitlers Henchmen tried it with the Blond Haired, Blued Eyed master race, I`ve always had this thing about genetic experiments. I simply cannot beleive it does not take place, and can only envisage the horrors that have been made over the years. Surley you yourself have to beleive that these things do take place. There is absolute proof out there now that shows that the governments of the world are experimenting with this. The giant leeks, and other vegatables, the cow with 2 heads, the sheep with 6 legs, and to think they would not try this on humans would be foolish, so please do not pour scorn on my beleifs wink. I would love to read your book though. Is it fact or fiction. Though I do not mind either. Also there are plenty of governments that contact the U.S. for help in matters like this, or is it that they just walk in like the Varginha incident. And by the way, if you think I`ve got this thing about genetics, for gawdsake don`t go to the Alien autopy section, willyou grinlol.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by ElementalSpirit on Jun 22nd, 2003, 2:47pm

Due to the fact that Area 51 communes with different alien races makes many humans psychologically unready to accept that there are extraterrestrial life forms. My guess is that Area 51 does not want to scare the public. We know that Christianity is one of the largest religions in our world today, right? right. Many Christian-based theories suggest that ET's are nothing but Satan's demons. Area 51 is scared that if they expose their living presence that many patriarchal and organized religion would revolt and start "holy wars", but religion is just one part of the problem. There would probably be some paranoid countries that would attack them thinking all of them are evil beings, and the psychological thing. Some are not ready to accept that there are ET's in our own backyard! shocked I guess Area 51 with the whole ET technology and ET bodies for experimentation they harbor do not want to reveal such arcanse secret due to psychological unreadiness.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by B J Booth on Jun 26th, 2003, 1:15pm

Some good comments members! It has always seemed odd to me that different polls might show that 60% of the people will believe in UFOs, but only 40% believe in Aliens. Well, who is supposed to be navigating these UFO?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by ElementalSpirit on Jul 2nd, 2003, 3:49pm

There are many man-made UFO's, bjbooth.
Maybe these craft are some secret government project. There is a lot of evidence indicating this which dates back to WWII. There is a report by Marshall Yarrow, then the Reuters special correspondent to Supreme H.Q. in liberated Paris. I will not be surprised if there are today...

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by temporary on Sep 10th, 2003, 8:42pm

Good afternoon,



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Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Thomas on Nov 3rd, 2003, 6:15pm

There is no doubt in my mind that Area 51 is in the process of reverse engineering of UFO crash retrievals. I am sure that they are testing and flying these crafts as well, rumour has it they also have live aliens from as far back as Roswell living in habitats in the underground facilites of the base. Appartently the governments of the world sold us out to the aliens for technology and in return they turned a blind eye to human and animal abductions, but the aliens seem to be out of control and using human and animal body parts for survival. The human race is powerless against them and the governments of the world continue to lie to the public, rather than tell us the horrible truth ! ! ! ! I do not want to sound like Mr Doom and Gloom perhaps it all bullshit and thats what they want us to believe, and something somewhere has a totally different agenda.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Dec 1st, 2003, 7:12pm

Hey folks, I don`t want to drop of this subject, but I watched a film today called "Hanger 18", and just wondered if anybody knows if there is such a place.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by backlit on Dec 1st, 2003, 7:59pm

Yes, the reference I think is to Roswell or the hangar at Nellis AFB. Maybe someone can set me straight on this. When I was a kid of maybe 15 or so, I heard a very late night talk show host interview with Jessie Marcel. It was the neatest thing to hear as a kid. He did make reference to this hangar.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Dec 4th, 2003, 08:28am

So Backlit are you saying that Hanger 18 is in Mexico or that this is where the Roswell crash stuff was housed. Where is Nellis air foce base?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Thomas on Dec 4th, 2003, 10:51am

Hi Rob; Nellis Airforce base is 80 to125 miles northwest of Las Vegas situated in the Groom Dry lake area aka "Dreamland". As for Hangar 18 I think it refers to a hangar at Roswell Air Force Base where the 509th Bomb Group where in stationed in New Mexico, where they stored the alien debris ,craft and bodies. Sorry weather balloon!! I know for a fact that on the 9th of july and 10th 1947 top secret flights to 8th Air Force Headquarters and to Washinton then to Wright Patterson Air Force Base near Dayton, Ohio took place in all about 9 to ten flights removing a wearther balloon! I think not . grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Dec 4th, 2003, 6:12pm

Hey, thanks for that info Thomas. So would I be right in saying that Area 51 and Nellis AFB are both situated in nearly the same place or is Nellis in Area 51? You seem to be pretty sure about the Balloon and the flights in and out of there. Any secrets or are you also bound by the official secrets act wink.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Thomas on Dec 5th, 2003, 03:13am

Rob,as far as I know the Nellis AFB,Dreamland,also Known "The Skunk Works" are one and the same! just different parts of the base all in the map reference of Area 51. rolleyes
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by bluesman on Dec 18th, 2003, 01:17am

skunk works is the name given to kelly johnsons work team at lockheed when they built the xp-80 jet..ww2. it bacame the f-80 shooting star..

The Skunk Works beginning:
During World War II, Johnson set up the Skunk Works after receiving approval from the U.S. Air Corps to build a jet fighter (the F-80 Shooting Star). Johnson recalls, "At the time, space was scarce because Lockheed was busy building 17 P-38's a day; 4 B-17's; 6 versions of the Hudson and the Lodestar, for a total of about 28 planes a day." So Johnson had a new space created for him in the old China Factory plant at B-1 next to a wind tunnel using Wright engine packing boxes for walls and a circus tent for a roof. Under these conditions, he laid out a design for a new fighter for an Air Corps competition. It won. It became the P-38 Lightening

groom lake falls under nellis gunnery range but part of the air base...

dreamland is one of the call signs used at groom lake..

there are a ton more to...

Tonopah Test Range (TTR) is officially known as Area 52.


Elvis' house or where Elvis lives - Groom Lake Base, Area 51: "The dry lake bed south of Bald Mtn. is where Elvis lives" during Red Flag orientation flight

the Ranch - Restricted airspace over Groom Lake, older term, see 'the Box'

the Box - Restricted Airspace over Groom Lake

the Container - Restricted Airspace over Groom Lake,

Craig Ranch - Fix for arriving flights at Nellis AFB, Runway 03

No Name - Chalk Mountain, about 2 miles south of Rachel Back Gate

Snake - Callsign for Nellis based aircraft: "Snake one ..."

heres the nellis FOIA page to. grin wink

http://www.nellis.af.mil/FOIA/index.htm

have a ton more stuff but my fingers are tired.. tongue

bluezzzzzz cool




Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Thomas on Dec 18th, 2003, 07:23am

Thanks for that serious amount of info,take it easy bluesman!
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by bluesman on Dec 18th, 2003, 10:59am

THATS OK THOMAS...hardly a serious amount of info though..

this is just a bit of stuff on a-51 i have or can get thats out there...

have been out there several times over the past 4 years doing research..

now here is some serious stuff.. grin grin

The Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC) is headquartered at Edwards AFB, California. There is ample evidence to indicate that AFFTC operates the secret base at Groom Lake. This assumption is drawn because AFFTC appears on many documents regarding base security and land use. AFFTC is also the logical master, because Area 51 was founded for the testing of secret aircraft and Edwards is responsible for that function. AFFTC, Det 3, is the organization responsible for Groom Lake.

S-2
Northrup/Grumman B-2 bomber, Tacit Blue, A-12 follow-on
S-3
Unknown No air vehicles spotted
S-4
Lockheed A-11, U-2, SR-71, F-117 (Have Blue), Darkstar (Tier 3- UAV)
S-6
Unknown Several variants of C-135 aircraft sitting around
S-7
----------- Seems to be in a caretaker status
S-9
Teledyne Ryan Aero Tier 2+ and Tier 3+ UAVs

DOE HF Callsigns

KAL 23 Oak Ridge Y-12 Plant, TN
KAL 24 DOE Headquarters Washington, DC
KBW 49 Nevada Test Site, NV
KGO 45 Estes Park (Rocky Flats Plant), CO
KLJ 87 Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
KOI 20 Hickam AFB, HI
KOI 22 Tonopah Test Range, NV
KOI 23 Kauai Test Facility, HI
KOI 24 Johnson Atoll
KSJ 87 Lemont (Argonne National Laboratory), IL
KYS 6 Nevada Test Site, NV

get your radio turned on now thomas.. wink shocked grin grin

bluezzzz cool


Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Thomas on Dec 19th, 2003, 11:15am

Cool! thanks again Blueszzzzz, I'll have to check it out!!! ;D
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by PHILROBBINS on Mar 3rd, 2004, 1:16pm

on Sep 29th, 2002, 12:24pm, Merlin wrote:
Did you know area 51 has uk links!!

I'm not saying there are UFO's involved but there shared technology certainly is. There is a airbase on the western scottish coast called RAF Machrinish (bad spelling im going from memory)



THIS IS ALITTLE OFF SUBJECT BUT ALONG SAME LINES .
my dad was stationed in england during ww2 and they were getting reports of ufo or unidentified air craft traveling at fantastics speeds ,coming to sudden stops and the like . the base my dad was stationed at had an occurrence of such and my dad was a wittness to this
ufo type encounter. so its highly likey that there may be a uk/usa link on ufo's predating the roswell case by 3-5 yrs at least.

what you think guys and gals
( bibleufonut) philrobbins
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Mar 15th, 2004, 7:50pm

Hello Phill. Merlin I think is right though I am not 100% sure myself. I know that a place in Scotland (sorry, cannot remember the name now) is a ufo hotspot and is close to a millitary airforce base. I do know for a fact that Scotland is used for this type of thing because of its remotness.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by PHILROBBINS on Mar 15th, 2004, 8:05pm

DO A SEARCH

TYPE SCOTLAND AIRFORCE BASES UFO ACTIVITY
and see what comes up in the search field if anything. you may be surprised . as below is an example:

UFO Sighting Report August 16th 1997 : Fife, Scotland - ... was reported to or seen by the military or the Airforce, who have a base nearby, but ... UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS SIGHTED OVER KIRKCALDY, FIFE IN SCOTLAND! ...
http://www.ufoinfo.com/sightings/uk/970816.shtml

this is how i find alot of the material that i post on the threads here on this forum.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Mar 15th, 2004, 8:35pm

Thanks Phill. I done that and got what I expected. I was not arguing the point, merely pointing out what I thought was right. I live in England, a mere 150 miles from Scotland and my eldest son stays in Scotland regular. I know it is an hotspot and in the past have well and truley looked into it and found some amazing stuff. It was simply a passing answer that at this time of writting could not put my finger exactly on the spot. Thanks again my friend.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by PHILROBBINS on Mar 15th, 2004, 8:54pm

your welcome rob: however i didn't know that you were from scotland. just like i was brought up around wright patterson air force base in ohio not more than 20 miles from where i lived . so unusual things happened in
ohio and still does . however now i live in the state of florida and some stuff happemns here too,but not as much as up there in ohio. i grow up with phil donahue,
on radio and tv talking about government coverups and the like . he kept people updated on any new ufo activity in ohio,and across the nation. i've always been a ufo nut so to speak since i was about 8 or 9 yrs old and i'm 57 now so its been awhile that i've had some expierience with ufo's and the llike.

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by rob on Mar 20th, 2004, 07:18am

hiya Phill. I`m sorry we seem to have our wires crossed. I live in the City of Coventry in England. Scotland is about 100-150 miles up the motorway. My son has spent a little time up there on outward bounds courses for survival nuts. A desolate little Island called Rio Fiola. I was just saying that they have airforce bases up there eqivilent to your area 51 though not so big. There are also some very hot bases in cornwall. I`m not as old as you, a mere 40 in june, but I myself have had an endarement with this subject for 33years.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by PHILROBBINS on Mar 20th, 2004, 12:21pm

YEH ,YOUR RIGHT MY LEFT HAND WIRE GOT MIXED WITH THE LEFT HAND WIRE AND SOMEHOW GOT ENGLAND MIXED UP WITH SCOTLAND . MUST HAVE BEEN THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PORK I ATE AND ALL. LOL LOL


Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by victor13 on May 4th, 2004, 12:33am

Maybe area 51 is just a diversion to hide another nearby or far away place where they do things ufo's. I'm pretty sure that the government is capable of hiding a top secret facility from simple civilians. So they give us area 51 to get distracted with.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by PHILROBBINS on May 4th, 2004, 06:45am

there may be some truth to that up to a point.
there was a sci-fi movie made many years ago
which had some interesting thoughts in it.
for the life of me i can not think of the name of it. however i remember the basic plot of the movie. it supposedly revolved around modern day times . someone was having something made but to keep it so hushed up they were having everything divided up in small pieces and having different companies produce only a small portion of the whole thing. which without a complete plan of the completed project one could not tell what it was. i think i remember now what the name was of the movie it was called "the sentenial".
it turms out at the end of the movie that the project was a very advanced robot that keeped watch over the human race for god. and the new project was a replacement robot.
things about ufo's may indeed be going omn at area 51
but just a small portion of it and other area's like area 51 may have another small portion of the puzzle working on it.. also area 51 could be the proving grounds (test area (like test pilots testing out a new aircraft kind of thing))
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by backlit on May 4th, 2004, 9:40pm

I'm with you victor. Area 51 is a good media focus point. As I have stated before, Canada is the place to be if you want low population interference with covert projects. Look at how the number of sightings has grown in proportion over time in Canada compared to sightings in the U.S. Makes one wonder.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by victor13 on May 5th, 2004, 01:15am

Yeah, canada seems like a nice place for some little green men to lay low.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on May 30th, 2004, 3:32pm

Area 51 is nothing more than a test center and museum. All operations are based out of Pine Gap, Alice Springs, Australia. The reason for this is the remote area where ATS (above top secret) craft can be launched with little or no one around to capture them on film or video.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by diamond on May 31st, 2004, 10:43am

that makes sense. theres bugger all out there to bother them. pine gap has long been a bone of contention between various interest groups down here purely because of the secrecy surrounding the place. us aussies want to know what is going on there and both the u.s. and our own government downplay and use the usual b/s to keep our eyes covered. angry it is obviously very important to the u.s. as they continue to use it long after the end of the cold war. wink

diamond
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jun 1st, 2004, 01:45am

Not to mention the listening center they have there is immense, I would say the largest and the most advanced in the world.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Merlin on Jun 26th, 2004, 4:24pm

I have long felt the stories about area 51 are a smoke screen its a little too visible. I would imagine the facility at alice spring would be very remote so much so you could die if you didnt take sufficient supplies. Major X you say its a listening post im curious what are they listening for??.


Merlin

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jun 28th, 2004, 1:37pm

Remote...
Yes, remote but not remote enough for the locals in that area. Lets not neglect the Navy underwater bases.

Pine Gap is an earth based weapons platform... The Joint Defense Space Research Facility. The key words in this sentence are Joint, Defense, Space, Research, and Facility. It is easy to tell what this is for, ya think?

This is the reason for the immense 'listening' station or micro-optical-tracking center over the underground base. A mother ship pulled up over this installation and we took our best shot and missed on more than one occasion. We also use electromagnetic weapons, which have been proven to be very effective by launching a warhead at incredible speeds. This is deadly to almost anything.

This was at one time ultra-top secret but I guess I can talk about it more openly now, because of the links below. It’s funny 15 years ago I would talk about this stuff and people thought it was a bunch of crap. If it has been declassified that means it's 20+ years old.

What they have in the arsenal now is extremely advanced technology. I really feel sorry for any nation that became aggressive towards us because they would not last 3 minutes. That’s about all I can say on that topic. You can read more than enough about it on the posts below. I feel you will be fascinated with what you read.

http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/MassDrivers.html
http://www.dstl.gov.uk/pr/science_spot/off_the_rails.htm
http://www.powerlabs.org/emguns.htm
http://www.stormingmedia.us/50/5036/A503604.html

Quote:
The basic principles of firing a projectile have been untouched for over 800 years, but David argued that electromagnetic launchers – or ‘rail guns’ – offered a quantum leap in gun science.

http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/may_04_10.php
Quote:
Capt. Roger D. McGinnis, director of the Navy’s directed energy and electric weapons program office, said that while the “lethality mechanisms” of high energy weapons are classified, “Our bottom line is that if we can put millions of joules of energy onto a target, something will happen.”



Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by minitrue on Jun 28th, 2004, 3:04pm

on Jun 28th, 2004, 1:37pm, MajorX wrote:
Remote...
Yes, remote but not remote enough for the locals in that area. Lets not neglect the Navy underwater bases.

Pine Gap is an earth based weapons platform... The Joint Defense Space Research Facility. The key words in this sentence are Joint, Defense, Space, Research, and Facility. It is easy to tell what this is for, ya think?

This is the reason for the immense 'listening' station or micro-optical-tracking center over the underground base. A mother ship pulled up over this installation and we took our best shot and missed on more than one occasion. We also use electromagnetic weapons, which have been proven to be very effective by launching a warhead at incredible speeds. This is deadly to almost anything.

This was at one time ultra-top secret but I guess I can talk about it more openly now, because of the links below. It’s funny 15 years ago I would talk about this stuff and people thought it was a bunch of crap. If it has been declassified that means it's 20+ years old.

What they have in the arsenal now is extremely advanced technology. I really feel sorry for any nation that became aggressive towards us because they would not last 3 minutes. That’s about all I can say on that topic. You can read more than enough about it on the posts below. I feel you will be fascinated with what you read.



What I just don't get is ... how is all this economically feasible? Where does the money to support this come from and how do they keep the vast network of people silent?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jun 28th, 2004, 5:04pm

What I just don't get is ... how is all this economically feasible? Where does the money to support this come from and how do they keep the vast network of people silent?

They sell drugs, guns, social security, oil, people and whatever they can find to fund this stuff. The United States is the largest drug and gun dealer in the world. Not only that the largest part of our budgets cannot be viewed by a congressional hearings. The ‘Black Budgets’ are completely invisible to the government and the people. Every single penny we have goes to this. The largest revenue we generate is dealing with drugs. Ever heard about the military investigation in which hammers were costing $1000 dollars each, bolts were $100 each? Some stuff does reach the public and government but it doesn’t stay visible for long.

The control of the ‘network’ is based on fear. These people have families and friends and they don’t want to see them dead. Those people that are high risk are watched closely and even used. Remember, everything is compartmentalized and the people working on something are only aware of what’s in their compartment. People do come out and speak they only have so much information about what they specialized in. Bob Lazar is an example of this type of defection without fear. He only knows so much and only what he was working with. I know many people who have spoken out and come forth. Half the UFO groups are made up of X-intelligence, X-government, and X-military personnel. People tend to think these groups are just a bunch of ugly nerds that have nothing better to do. You would really be surprised who is hanging around, thus my saying you never know whom you are talking to.

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by minitrue on Jun 28th, 2004, 7:42pm

Curious about Dick Cheney ...
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jun 28th, 2004, 8:07pm

Under Cheney's tenure, the number of Halliburton subsidiaries based in offshore tax havens increased from 9 to 44. Meanwhile, Halliburton went from paying $302 million in company taxes in 1998 to getting an $85 million tax refund in 1999.52


We can start there, I got more dirt than a garden... the man is part of the Tri-comission and CFR. He is a crook and a traitor.

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by minitrue on Jun 29th, 2004, 09:37am

So do they ever use this stuff? Or they just build these things to intimidate Europe and Asia? It doesn't make sense and looks really stupid to me. It's like those kids who drive expensive cars and blare loud music for no reason at all.

Police officers aren't equipped w/ those advanced weapons, the military didn't use those things in the Middle East or did they? What's the point of having advanced technology if you do nothing w/ it?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jul 15th, 2004, 07:11am

Yes, they use this stuff and often will use wars as testing grounds. A great deal of this technology is not centered on modern day warfare so some of it is tested in secret and not exposed at all.
Many countries are working with the United States. I guess France has a bone to pick but they don't seem to intimidated by the United States and they know what's up.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jul 15th, 2004, 07:11am

here we go again...
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jul 15th, 2004, 07:12am

*
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by FreeZe on Jul 15th, 2004, 10:09am

So how much of all this does Mr. President Bush know? And what about John Kerry, he just looks like a crook to me. tongue

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jul 15th, 2004, 12:57pm

Daddy Bush is in charge of the negative faction ruling the UFO realm...

He was quoted saying to one of his aides when questioned about the UFO conspiracy, "You don't know the half of it." He was head of the CIA and took control of the the government via above top secret projects. You forget SDI, which was a complete success and in active use this very moment. The man wanted a mars mission and a base on the moon. Do you really think he just stopped doing all that when we left the Presidency?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by FreeZe on Jul 15th, 2004, 2:45pm

SDI?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jul 15th, 2004, 5:07pm

Space Defense Initiative
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jul 16th, 2004, 5:29pm

I stand corrected yes... LOL I guess i know the reason I call it that...
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jul 16th, 2004, 5:29pm

Star Wars... was the pet name...
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MajorX on Jul 17th, 2004, 04:34am

This isn't a game Doc...
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by minitrue on Jul 17th, 2004, 08:31am

If MajorX were a security threat then I'm pretty sure that this forum would've been taken offline. The US gov't is so disorganized that I woudn't be surprised if both u guys were a part of different organizations w/ different agendas.

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by batcandy on Jul 20th, 2004, 6:16pm

minitrue...you have such a valid theory its disturbing!!! smiley

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by FreeZe on Jul 20th, 2004, 8:38pm

Ok I'm heard about the Stars Wars Missile Defense System. Was it actually as intended for shooting at UFOs or did it really start out as a missile defense system against ICBMs.
i got real news for u's
Post by iamanalien4real on Sep 12th, 2004, 12:06am

hey i have been inside area 51 they are very nice to the aliens they just teach them how to disguise themselves wen they crash land they give them very good technology to clear up there crash site the area 51 technology there could make a human hover across the sea they could stop global warming and global hunger in the poor country's cos they have technology to make things gorw 10 times there size in minutes they get special technology from the aliens. i was only allowed in ecause i worked there i had to deliver there TEXT
all it was, was a gun sort of thing i opened it in the car there is gaurds crawling the place literally because they arent humans the can sense unusal activity and i was sweatng they all rushed around me i was scared.. thats all i am gonna say i am a bit freaked out at the moment!!! lipsrsealed
i got real news for u's
Post by iamanalien4real on Sep 12th, 2004, 12:07am

hey i have been inside area 51 they are very nice to the aliens they just teach them how to disguise themselves wen they crash land they give them very good technology to clear up there crash site the area 51 technology there could make a human hover across the sea they could stop global warming and global hunger in the poor country's cos they have technology to make things gorw 10 times there size in minutes they get special technology from the aliens. i was only allowed in ecause i worked there i had to deliver there TEXT
all it was, was a gun sort of thing i opened it in the car there is gaurds crawling the place literally because they arent humans the can sense unusal activity and i was sweatng they all rushed around me i was scared.. thats all i am gonna say i am a bit freaked out at the moment!!! lipsrsealed
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Sep 12th, 2004, 11:44am

You must be upset. You forgot how to spell and use grammar properly. grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by starman on Dec 15th, 2004, 12:31pm

I believe that Area 51 was the ideal location for the storage of recovered alien craft, and the testing of back engineered alien craft. You betcha they've captured, or as Bob Lazar says, "been given" alien craft, attempted to back engineer them and ultimately flew them. This does not sound too far fetched to me. I think that Area 51 was the original base dealing with this, but now operations have been moved elsewhere, while the attention is still very much on the base. It is no secret that the UFO phenonemon was classed even more top secret than the H-Bomb. I think that that's the nearest we're gonna come to the Americans admitting that these craft and their occupants exist. If something doesn't exist how can you classify it? I don't think they initially realised the full implications of what they said following Roswell, and after they did, they retracted the statement. You'd think that they'd come up with better excuses than the planet Venus, weather balloons etc by now. It never ceases to amaze me the complete **** they come out with.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by ufopsi on Jan 8th, 2005, 4:07pm

In my own mind it is only myth. No alien space ships there.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by GhostDive on Jan 16th, 2005, 6:45pm

there's even stories of underground tunnels that stretch from all of the military bases in the u.s , shuttles that transport people,equipment ect.. to places like Area 51,Dulce,Los Alamos,Edwards AFB,Taos,White Sands,Henderson Naval Base,NORAD,Tehachapi Facility,Death Valley
the list goes on and on.

as for aliens and ufos , i believe that there's something here
and they dont want us knowing what they're up too and certain dont want to be our allies.

more like business partners in exchange for our D.N.A and magnetic energy and there own territory,the "Real Government" get there hands on the alien technology.
and will we see any of this , i dont think so..unless we march on Area 51 or some other base with thousands of people to see for ourselfs.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Jan 16th, 2005, 9:11pm

I wrote a novel (never published so don't ask) based on the government not being able to protect us from them. Instead, they negotiate with them. This ends up with the west coast of the United States being given to ET and a handful of stragglers getting trapped there after the evacuation. Anyway...it could very well be that the government thought it could control the situation with ET being here and found out differently. The rumors of the cooperative bases and such fit right in with that but there's really never been anything to confirm them that I know of other than more heresay.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by duneguy on Jan 20th, 2005, 10:17pm

The activities at Area 51 are VERY WEIRD, whatever is going on there. Too much security, too many threats and closed lips = SOMETHING IS UP !! :o

With increasing tech stuff available to the regular citizen, and the internet, maybe we can get closer to an answer . :D
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Jan 25th, 2005, 2:54pm

On December 31st I was in the closest gas station to Area 51. The only thing I noticed that was out of the norm was that the gas was 65 cents higher a gallon then it was in a few hours previous on the same highway but in Las Vegas. lol

oljack666

This is the truth.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Jan 25th, 2005, 4:18pm

I have more curiousity about Dulce than area 51.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Jan 25th, 2005, 6:39pm

Well we know Area 51 exists but Dulce may not I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've been to 51...well close anyway...but my understanding is that anything really secret has been moved now to Utah because of all the interest. Any Mormons out there seeing strange lights?

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Jan 25th, 2005, 8:40pm

I don't know about Dulce, have only heard the rumors. That's why I am curious.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by duneguy on Jan 25th, 2005, 8:56pm

Dulce seems, in a way, even more mysterious. I wonder if it will ever catch the attention of the public as "51" has huhhuhhuh undecided
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Jan 25th, 2005, 10:03pm

I thought Dulce basically originated from one guy and had some pretty outrageous claims.

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Jan 26th, 2005, 06:12am

on Jan 25th, 2005, 8:40pm, creolelady wrote:
I don't know about Dulce, have only heard the rumors. That's why I am curious.


Here creolelady....Re: Dulce, type "Return of the Nephilim" in search. This one's fun but don't take him all too serious. It's pretty wild, but interesting.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Jan 26th, 2005, 09:38am

Wild is an understatement. He illustrates the extreme on our side of the subject.

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Jan 26th, 2005, 3:52pm

I stumbled across some "rumors" probably by the same person on another website. I have been in the area where it is supposed to be and there are fences and government warning signs. I went there during a trip to Taos and then over to the four corners and up to Mesa Verde. It was three or four years ago and I had not yet read those rumors. I just remembered the area because I had asked my husband what government installation was there when we passed it. He didn't know either. When I saw the rumor page, it just made me wonder.
But the stories are indeed wild grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Jan 26th, 2005, 4:28pm

Were there any structures there or just fences and what did the signs say? The fed government owns a huge chunk of these United States for some reason and there are a million miles of fencing with metal "no trespassing" signs.

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Jan 26th, 2005, 5:47pm

If I remember correctly, there may have been a bunker(?) type building. I think it was those signs with the white background, and red writing that say the US government prperty thing or something like that. When I say bunker, I mean those buildings that are kind of arched like hangars. But it has been three or four years. I just remembered the place after I read that page. It was not far from the Jicarilla Indian area, because I am very interested in Native American sites. (My grandma was Native American.) I wanted to have a look around the Jicarilla area, but the road we were on, didn't have much on it and we decided against it. Had I known I come across such strange comments about the area, I would have taken pictures, but I didn't. My husband was driving on this road, because I had looked at the map when we left Taos and said the directions I wanted to go. Just kind of picked places that I wanted to go through. smiley Maybe I will get back through there one day. This coming summer I want to go through the White Sands Area of New Mexico and then up through Arizona. Just gotta convince the other half it's a good idea. He doesn't like the heat like I do.
see ya grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Jan 26th, 2005, 8:19pm

I glanced at the atlas we used. When we left Taos, we went over to Espanola and took Hwy 84 N to Chama, then we took Hwy 64 west over to Shiprock and then went to the Four Corners sight and then went north into Colorado and to Mesa Verde National Park. We actually went through Dulce, it is the northern end of the Jicarilla (Apache) Reservation.l I just didn't know at the time to look for anything, but there was not much to the town at least not what we could see from the highway we were on.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Jan 26th, 2005, 10:16pm

Well, if there were anything to the stories, I think there would have been more coming out by now but what do I know? You should have been careful though because there are people being boiled up in vats there for alien food. Lol!

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Jan 27th, 2005, 3:54pm

See me shiver! shocked grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Jan 27th, 2005, 7:08pm

wink

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by PadawanOsswe on Mar 26th, 2005, 8:41pm

if only we could sneek in. cry
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Mar 26th, 2005, 9:36pm

Padawan, we want you around for a long time.

UFO info doesn't typically come to public knowledge quickly. The info is there and at a point in time when someone is ready to come forward, the truth will be out.
No need to sneak in anywhere.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by PadawanOsswe on Apr 5th, 2005, 2:14pm

I doubt any humans work inside Area 51, only as the security outside. so grab a grey costume and lets go! grin lol
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Apr 5th, 2005, 3:58pm

on Apr 5th, 2005, 2:14pm, PadawanOsswe wrote:
I doubt any humans work inside Area 51, only as the security outside. so grab a grey costume and lets go! grin lol


Here ya go, I'm ready.

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Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by TheVoice on Apr 10th, 2005, 6:54pm

coolStrange place, did not stay there too long, got moved on by security, the guy smiled as he patted the gun in his holster, requesting that I should not loiter!!!!
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Apr 10th, 2005, 8:24pm

The Voice, how long ago were you in the states.

oljack666
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by TheVoice on Apr 11th, 2005, 11:14am

coolJust before my last passport ran out, '97 I think
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by TheVoice on Apr 11th, 2005, 11:26am

coolYeah, must be because I was checking out a 'safehouse' in Vermont. Crikey, seems many years ago now.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Apr 11th, 2005, 11:30am

on Apr 11th, 2005, 11:14am, TheVoice wrote:
coolJust before my last passport ran out, '97 I think


That was the year of first contact for me. January 7, 1997, Apple Valley, CA next door to Victorville and a handful of miles from Barstow.

oljack666
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Apr 11th, 2005, 12:28pm

The closest sighting I can find to my Jan 7, 1997 incident. Of course the first 20 or so days were real heavy from the above date forward in my home. January 27, 1997 was the creme de' la creme. Long story and real ugly.

Occurred : 1/15/1997 15:00 (Entered as : 8/99 15:00)
Reported: 1/16/2002 6:43:07 PM 18:43
Posted: 3/11/2003
Location: Pico Rivera/Paramount, CA
Shape: Oval
Duration:10-15 mins
during the day, the amount of them and what the saucers were doing

My son and I (along with people in this shopping center that worked there) witnessed maybe about 15 - 20 saucers out here in So.Calif. in the City of Paramount 4 yrs. ago. We came home and I called some TV stations and they wouldn't even think about listening to what we had to say about what we had encountered! I was in this stereo store while my son was outside talking to some of the people that worked there. (My son was about 19 or 20 yrs of age at this time.) He had called me out to look at what was in the sky to the East, sure enough they were flying saucers! All of us were amazed!!. Other people from the shops there saw us outside looking up in the sky so they came out also and looked above and saw the samething. Wish I had a camera! These flying saucers where flying in and out of the clouds, staying for like a few seconds and fly out like they were taking turns. They must have been doing this for maybe a good 5 or 10 mins. They were silver and not quite cigar shape, but pretty close to it, but with a dome ontop. That day was a clear day, blue, but white clouds scattered. We don't get many clear days like that here, so it must have been either after it rained, (cause that's the way our days will look after it's rained) or a day after we've had our Santa Ana winds kick up. So, it sure wasn't smoggy that day. Anyway, thought I'd share our experience. It'll be one that I can always share with someone and say I witnessed an opportunity that many will not have. ((name and e-address deleted))

((FOLLOW-UP COMMUNICATION))

Peter Davenport;

Hi there. Read your email and I didn't think I'd have the receipt for the car stereo, but I found it. It doesn't say what time of day of that sighting that we all saw, but it does give a date which was Jan. 15, 1997. The city I thought we were in was not Paramount, it was Pico Rivera which is next-door
to that city. I was having my stereo installed in my car that day, my son bought the stereo for me for Christmas. Also, it was before 5 PM cause I remember calling the TV stations after I got home and it was almost dark. From Pico Rivera it takes me about 30 - 45 mins to come home depending on
traffic and there were no other stops I remember I made coming home and this was not in the morning and this happened before dark, but after 12 PM.

I did submit to your site on this experience prior to receiving your email and not looking for this receipt, however one correction: It was not in Paramount as I wrote on this form. I will write your tel# down if I ever happen to view a sighting again. Thank You for that! Thanks for emailing me. ((name deleted))

((NUFORC Note: We have amended the date and place of the sighting, based on the follow-up communication. PD))

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by TheVoice on Apr 11th, 2005, 12:37pm

sadmmmmm, interesting. Wish I could transport back to '97, would be a damn site better than now.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Amalgamut on Apr 11th, 2005, 9:16pm

on Apr 12th, 2003, 3:14pm, NYUFOHUNTER wrote:
What do you all make of the September 1997, Art Bell phone call?

http://www.metatech.org/Art_Bell_Area_51_aliens_audio_tape.html


I downloaded it and It really creeped me out the first time I heard it. Anyone would just say it was a prank call, but how do you explain them being knocked off the air?


Yeah, pretty creepy. I highly doubt this is a hoax, just listen to the sincerity in his voice! If this recording was a hoax, then this man is one good actor.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Amalgamut on Apr 11th, 2005, 9:25pm

About the Art Bell recording...

Im not sure if many of you know but there is a song by Tool from their Laterlaus Album.

The song is titled "Faaip de Oiad" (The Voice of God) (I think?)

The song consists of a the recording with some creepy Tool music. Its pretty cool.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Apr 11th, 2005, 10:22pm

on Apr 11th, 2005, 9:25pm, Amalgamut wrote:
About the Art Bell recording...
Im not sure if many of you know but there is a song by Tool from their Laterlaus Album.The song is titled "Faaip de Oiad" (The Voice of God) (I think?)The song consists of a the recording with some creepy Tool music. Its pretty cool.


I just got a "cannot find website" prompt on the Art Bell thing. Oh well. I'll catch it someday, somehow.

oljack666
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Amalgamut on Apr 11th, 2005, 10:27pm

on Apr 11th, 2005, 10:22pm, oljack666 wrote:
I just got a "cannot find website" prompt on the Art Bell thing. Oh well. I'll catch it someday, somehow.

oljack666


Here ya go Jack try this link....

http://www.divelsfoot.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-917.html

Just scroll down the page and look for the link. You will have to copy/paste it and it will start the download of the call.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Amalgamut on Apr 11th, 2005, 10:28pm

Here is the direct link to the download, it should work...


http://divelsfoot.com/gallery/data/501/673Art_Bell_Area_51_Call.mp3

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Apr 11th, 2005, 10:44pm

Oh my, that was weird. What is weirder yet is the date I see below. I won't go there, it looks like a spoof, but the guy (voice) was good and made it sound real.

September 11, 1997

On September 11, 1997, Bell opened a special line for callers who claimed to have been employed at US airbase Area 51. (Bell had done such themed shows occasionally, seeking calls from purported time travelers or from the antichrist.)

One caller, an apparently distressed male, said he had been an Area 51 worker, but had been released for "medical" reasons, and was being pursued by unnamed persons. He reported that plans were underway for wide scale destruction, by sinister forces who "want those major population centers wiped out." The caller was interrupted, and Bell's program went off air. There was a brief period of dead air before Bell's network rebroadcast a portion of a previous interview with Mark Fuhrman for about 30 minutes until the technical problems were resolved.

When Bell came back on the air, he reported that the caller had screamed in what Bell took to be genuine terror or fright, before the line was disconnected. This scream was not broadcast to listeners, as it apparently occurred after the disconnect.

The interruption of Bell's program gained some mainstream attention, and some concluded it was a publicity stunt, especially since that evening a writer for Penthouse magazine was in Bell's home studio, interviewing the broadcaster.

However, some have argued there were puzzling aspects to the incident, saying a problem with a communications satellite was the source of Bell's temporary outage. An unsourced account of the event was reported that "(according to GE engineers) the satellite's 'Earth sensor lost lock' and the craft rolled into an attitude where it no longer pointed at the uplinks, causing 50 channels to go off-air for about 30 minutes," and that Bell's program was not the only one affected by the purported satellite problem.

One caller claiming to live near Area 51 is documented as saying damage to his home was similar to that caused by an electromagnetic pulse at about the time Bell's broadcast stopped, and a man who claimed to work as an engineer for Hughes Aerospace in Tucson, Arizona reported a similar effect.

Rock band Tool incorporated portions of the distraught Area 51 caller's voice on their album Lateralus.

The caller said;
"I, I don't have a whole lot of time. Um, OK, I'm a former employee of Area 51. I, I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago and, and... [chokes] I've kind of been running across the country. Damn, I don't know where to start, they're, they're gonna, um, they'll triangulate on this position really soon.

OK, um, um, OK, what we're thinking of as, as aliens, they're extradimensional beings, that, an earlier precursor of the, um, space program they made contact with. They are not what they claim to be. Uh, they've infiltrated a, a lot of aspects of, of, of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51.

The disasters that are coming, they, the military, I'm sorry, the government knows about them. And there's a lot of safe areas in this world that they could begin moving the population to now. They are not! They want those major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left will be more easily controllable."

http://divelsfoot.com/gallery/data/501/673Art_Bell_Area_51_Call.mp3
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Amalgamut on Apr 11th, 2005, 10:49pm

on Apr 11th, 2005, 10:44pm, oljack666 wrote:
Oh my, that was weird. What is weirder yet is the date I see below. I won't go there, it looks like a spoof, but the guy (voice) was good and made it sound real.

September 11, 1997

On September 11, 1997, Bell opened a special line for callers who claimed to have been employed at US airbase Area 51. (Bell had done such themed shows occasionally, seeking calls from purported time travelers or from the antichrist.)

One caller, an apparently distressed male, said he had been an Area 51 worker, but had been released for "medical" reasons, and was being pursued by unnamed persons. He reported that plans were underway for wide scale destruction, by sinister forces who "want those major population centers wiped out." The caller was interrupted, and Bell's program went off air. There was a brief period of dead air before Bell's network rebroadcast a portion of a previous interview with Mark Fuhrman for about 30 minutes until the technical problems were resolved.

When Bell came back on the air, he reported that the caller had screamed in what Bell took to be genuine terror or fright, before the line was disconnected. This scream was not broadcast to listeners, as it apparently occurred after the disconnect.

The interruption of Bell's program gained some mainstream attention, and some concluded it was a publicity stunt, especially since that evening a writer for Penthouse magazine was in Bell's home studio, interviewing the broadcaster.

However, some have argued there were puzzling aspects to the incident, saying a problem with a communications satellite was the source of Bell's temporary outage. An unsourced account of the event was reported that "(according to GE engineers) the satellite's 'Earth sensor lost lock' and the craft rolled into an attitude where it no longer pointed at the uplinks, causing 50 channels to go off-air for about 30 minutes," and that Bell's program was not the only one affected by the purported satellite problem.

One caller claiming to live near Area 51 is documented as saying damage to his home was similar to that caused by an electromagnetic pulse at about the time Bell's broadcast stopped, and a man who claimed to work as an engineer for Hughes Aerospace in Tucson, Arizona reported a similar effect.

Rock band Tool incorporated portions of the distraught Area 51 caller's voice on their album Lateralus.

The caller said;
"I, I don't have a whole lot of time. Um, OK, I'm a former employee of Area 51. I, I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago and, and... [chokes] I've kind of been running across the country. Damn, I don't know where to start, they're, they're gonna, um, they'll triangulate on this position really soon.

OK, um, um, OK, what we're thinking of as, as aliens, they're extradimensional beings, that, an earlier precursor of the, um, space program they made contact with. They are not what they claim to be. Uh, they've infiltrated a, a lot of aspects of, of, of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51.

The disasters that are coming, they, the military, I'm sorry, the government knows about them. And there's a lot of safe areas in this world that they could begin moving the population to now. They are not! They want those major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left will be more easily controllable."

http://divelsfoot.com/gallery/data/501/673Art_Bell_Area_51_Call.mp3


Yeah I know, I saw the date and thought that was weird. I just wish in this conversation you could find out what his next line was going to be, since he got got off mid sentence. Better yet, if this was indeed real (not a hoax) I wonder what happend to the guy?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Apr 12th, 2005, 3:29pm

The man who called Art Bell did so in 1997, which was a pretty heavy time for UFO's and aliens in respect to ufologists and other researchers. Below is the UFO Casebooks contribution to Area 51.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Area51.html

Amalgamut, have you had time to check out the UFO Casebook website yet.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/

oljack666

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Apr 12th, 2005, 4:07pm

Well, I just listened to it and that was really freaky. In the conversation the man sounds as though he believes what he is saying, but right before cut off, I kind of thought I heard the beginning of a laugh that he was no longer able to contain. But that is just a guess. I remember on UFO Files once on the History Channel they were talking about some people who claimed to be employees of area 51. They had all been exposed tosomething and were very sick. I think the last I had heard two of them died. Don't know how many there were that were represented in the lawsuit. Of course the lawsuit was not going well, because the govt. kept denying existnece of such a place and saying the people were not exposed to anything. Can't remember the names, but I wonder what ever happened with that. I am not sure whether to believe the caller was high, or mentally ill at the time, or whether he was real.
But it is something interesting to hear.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by oljack666 on Apr 12th, 2005, 4:13pm

That was the toxic lawsuit and it is mentioned in the website just above your post from UFO Casebook Area 51.

oljack666
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Amalgamut on Apr 13th, 2005, 3:18pm

on Apr 12th, 2005, 4:07pm, creolelady wrote:
Well, I just listened to it and that was really freaky. In the conversation the man sounds as though he believes what he is saying, but right before cut off, I kind of thought I heard the beginning of a laugh that he was no longer able to contain. But that is just a guess. I remember on UFO Files once on the History Channel they were talking about some people who claimed to be employees of area 51. They had all been exposed tosomething and were very sick. I think the last I had heard two of them died. Don't know how many there were that were represented in the lawsuit. Of course the lawsuit was not going well, because the govt. kept denying existnece of such a place and saying the people were not exposed to anything. Can't remember the names, but I wonder what ever happened with that. I am not sure whether to believe the caller was high, or mentally ill at the time, or whether he was real.
But it is something interesting to hear.


Yeah, more than likey (if this phone call was true) the man was involved in the same type of toxins, maybe?

In any case, this man seems to have been followed in every move he made. If indeed it wasn't a hoax.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by PadawanOsswe on Apr 13th, 2005, 4:13pm

"Hello Art? Art? Hi....I don't have a whole lot of time..um...I was a former employee of Area 51...I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago...and...and...(starts to cry)...I kinda been running across the country...um...um....man....I don't know WHERE to start......they'll triangulate on this position really, really soon... (starting to break up and get more frantic--Art tells him to give us something quick>wink...OK...um...um....What we're thinking of as Aliens ...they're EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL BEINGS...that an earlier precursor of the SPACE PROGRAM MADE CONTACT WITH...uh...they are NOT what they claim to be...uh...they have INFILTRATED a lot of aspects of the MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT particularily Area 51...uh...the DISASTERS that are coming...the GOVERNMENT knows about them....and there's a lot of SAFE AREAS in this WORLD THAT THEY COULD BEGIN MOVING THE POPULATION TO...N O W - Art.....but they are NOT doing anything about it... THEY WANT THE MAJOR POPULATION CENTERS - WIPED OUT SO THAT THE FEW THAT ARE LEFT WILL BE MORE EASILY CONTROLLABLE....(breaking up more, starting to cry...)...I started getting...." Silence - Art went off the air at that point.

dont know what to make of it, I'll listen to it when I get home, but thats odd.

wow, 97 (reflects) dont remeber much, just the spice girls wink they were Fine.

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by eagleyeuk on May 11th, 2005, 11:16am

hi forum i have never talked on area 51 but would any one know about the avery? its interesting the info is from a book i treasure and is quite sinister, we have not long moved so when i get sorted i post some interesting items from it
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hybrid5226 on Nov 11th, 2005, 9:42pm

I decided one year, a few years ago the next time i visited las vegas I would make the 2 hour trip out to the
town of rachel which is near area 51 . Rachel was also in the area of where some parts of indepence day was filmed an there is a single wide mobile home there that
serves as the town bar with a short momento from the movie in front of it stamped ID on top . The mayor of Las Vegas had the highway signs leading to Rachel changed
to have the alien highway spaceships put on them . There was at the time virtually nothing else in the town
but wandering cows an camera's sticking up out of the ground at intervals here an there in the middle of no where and the only reason I knew they were camera's ?
The town is so far out that there are no gas stations or reststops an when you have to go you have to go.
I thought I had choosen a spot off the road and out of the way when I first seen them an once I did you know what they look like an find the rest with no problem . we spent the rest of the day there an watched the sun go down an also watched a jeep waggoner with security personnel escort a camera crew out of town .
When we got back to Las Vegas , Ceasars is where we decided to go an in the middle of january at the time Vegas is not that busy .We parked on the third level of the parking structure in the first place closest to the entrance . There were 2 other cars there at the time when we locked the car an headed the 25 feet to the entrance when I remembered I forgot some tokens in the car . I turned around an the car was gonehuh Logic tried to tell me the car was stolen but being there was
another person with me an were we just came from we could not believe it .Stupid me in hind sight I wish I would of went over an stood were the car was parked but no I said lets go inside take the elevator up one flight look on that level because I could not grasp what just happened so we went up an of course no car . We came back down and guess what ? no car so we went down one level ? no car . By now we said if the car is not there we will call the police . We went back up . The car was back . It was suggested to me from a friend later that since it was a rental that someone else might of had the keys to the same style car an I would of bought this explanation if we were away from the car for a period of time . Because of this an other events I
have turned in to a conspiracy theory nut an go to international ufo conferences an other conventions to learn more about all the mysterys that are out there .
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Nov 11th, 2005, 9:49pm

Wow, that would have certainly shaken me!
Pretty interesting hybrid5226. Glad you joined the forum as well.
We will be looking forward to more posts from you.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Merlin on Nov 12th, 2005, 09:51am

That is one strange story thasnks for sharing that with us.

Merlin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Nov 14th, 2005, 3:59pm

More information on the Groom Lake and Papoose Lake area and the facility that has become known as S-4. Photos included:

http://ufo.whipnet.org/area.51/s4.papoose.lake/index.html



Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Nov 14th, 2005, 7:08pm

From what I've heard...Area-51 has moved! It makes sense since everyone and their brother knows about it now. Utah seems to be the new homestead for Area-51. Way....way...out in the middle of nowhere. Anyone have info on that?

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Nov 14th, 2005, 7:23pm

While I agree they may be utilizing property in Utah, I don't think they have totally given up Area 51. . Kind of hard for me to imagine that they would build what they supposedly have there as far as facilities, then abandon it. It may be "they" would like ofr a lot of people to think all operations have moved to another location. It hink it would actually make sense for them to maintain several sites, for the sake of security and back up operations. Just my two cents though.....I have never even been to that area.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Nov 14th, 2005, 7:35pm

What would you do if you were them? You have basically unlimited resources and the mandate to keep it secret. Over the last twenty years, the whole thing has become public knowledge with very capable people working to make it more public. I'd move but not tell anyone. Problem solved. While I was at it, I'd keep the contract with Wackenhut Security going and assign military people there to twiddle their thumbs just to make everyone think I still had my secrets hidden at Groom Lake. Now I could do this if I didn't need my superduper long runway anymore. The construction of an extra long runway anywhere nowadays is spotted pretty quickly but if I didn't need that (read ET technology or a new propulsion system) then I could move anywhere remote to hide and no one would bother me.

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Nov 14th, 2005, 7:43pm

If you didn't need that super-duper long runway, that would be a great plan. As soon as one is constructed elsewhere, the cat is out of the bag. They may have given up the more visible areas of area 51, and gone even deeper into hiding there and elsewhere. If it were me, I wouldn't put eggs in the same basket. I'd spread things out a little....adds to the confusion (for onloookers) and to the availablility if needed of another place on short notice. I don't think they acutally build one of anything....I think they always have a back-up available.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by hjdelight on Nov 14th, 2005, 8:07pm

Yes, that is probably true.....there's probably 50 other areas that we don't even know about. Maybe more! Lol! grin

HJ
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Agent_J on Feb 13th, 2006, 10:28am

on Mar 15th, 2004, 7:50pm, rob wrote:
Hello Phill. Merlin I think is right though I am not 100% sure myself. I know that a place in Scotland (sorry, cannot remember the name now) is a ufo hotspot and is close to a millitary airforce base. I do know for a fact that Scotland is used for this type of thing because of its remotness.


It is called BONNYBRIDGE, its near the town of falkirk.
I stay not far from it, have to say tho that ive never seen any ufo`s

..............
As for Robs question... is hanger 18 real?
YES.
The dimensions of the Hanger:

Side 1: 300 feet(about)

Side 2: 300 feet(about)

Height: 100 feet(about)

This hanger could be used anything. Nobody knows what it's really used for, but here are the rumors...

The hanger is really a huge elevator which transports the secret plane Aurora, the Black Manta, and others they are testing to an elaborate underground place.

It houses the Aurora and the Black Manta(but does not transport them anywhere).

It could be a regular hanger.

See link for info http://www.area51zone.com/structures.shtml#hanger18
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Razor on Feb 13th, 2006, 10:30am

Hi Agent _J Welcome to the board I think your assessment of Hanger 18 is correct.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Agent_J on Feb 13th, 2006, 10:47am

If u use google earth u can look at
37o14`10.50" N 115o49`03.18" W

Its near a place called janets terminal,

shocked kinda wierd this like, but i was just looking at area 51 on google earth and i came across janets terminal (caught my eye coz its same name as myself wink
I googled hanger 18 and found this site
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by iwanttobelieve on Apr 21st, 2006, 02:06am

if an 1 has links for area 51 pliz pliz tell me huh
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by FormerSkeptic on Nov 12th, 2006, 4:27pm

on Oct 2nd, 2002, 1:24pm, Merlin wrote:
How come the president only passes this law and it only lasts for one year why don't he just do it until some real distant date. I may be missing some real fundimental constitutional rule as im not a us citizen sorry im just wondering

Merlin


This is likely an administrative workaround so that the President doesn't have to go through Congressional approval.

By making the law good for only one year at a time and renewing it annually he can bypass congressional hearings.

Keeps it hidden from the public.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Krieger99 on Nov 13th, 2006, 10:25pm

Personally, I don't think anything to do with extra-terrestrials or their craft is going on at Area 51. I think it's just what they say it is - A top-secret, maximum-security military testing center. They don't release information to the public because of enemy countries trying to copy their craft/experiments. In the military world, you don't share any of your best technology with anyone else, not even your closest ally. I'd also guess they probably have some pretty shady things they're doing there as well (genetic experiments, maybe?).

Then again, you never know...
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by skaroth on Nov 29th, 2006, 04:31am

i agree, i think there may well have been some ebe assoiciated activities taking place at area 51 at some point in the past, but the facility is far too well known now for this to currently be the case. In actual fact i think its reputation has been turned into an effective smokesceen to be honest.

I would suggest that the facility where any ebe related stuff is taking place, if indeed it is at this time, has never been heard of. I wouldnt be suprised to find that its not even in the united states.

I think area 51 is used for stuff like the aurora, and various other 'lower level' top secret projects.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Whisperstream on Dec 16th, 2006, 2:45pm

If you want accurate information on Area 51, I highly recommend this website:

http://dreamlandresort.com

For beginning and advanced researchers I escpecially recommend the following articles:

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/dreamland_50years.html

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/pete/no_secret.html

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/pete/black_projects/black_projects_history.html
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Daddyr on Jan 6th, 2007, 10:32am

New member here, and I like your web site. I have Google Earth and have looked at Area 51 a little, and found something kinda interesting (at least to me).

Check out these settings in Google Earth, Area 51;

37º 15'44.56" N 115º 50'43.56"W

Something odd here. Looks almost like something in the air, casting a shadow, but not clear enough to see any detail. Corner of building seems obscured by whatever it is.

Any thoughts?

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Whisperstream on Jan 6th, 2007, 1:09pm

It's a large dish antenna. If you look at the satellite image you will find two of these just off the southwest corner of Groom Lake. One is located north of the east end of EG&G Road and the other a bit to the west between Seashore road and the DYCOMS Radar Building on 1st Street.

Each dish antenna is pointed skyward, casting a circular shadow below.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by forex01 on Feb 18th, 2007, 3:39pm

Area 51, is just a test ground for technologys of this world. All advanced research has moved to North Dakota. The only reason for the high security and secrecy is just to divert attention away from other areas. All this keeps your eyes and ears tuned to one area!
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by kinserfan11 on Oct 6th, 2007, 3:10pm

Has anyone here ever been to area 51 ?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by creolelady on Oct 6th, 2007, 3:16pm

Alienationsam went there last year, but not in it.
I don't know if any other members have been there or not.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Revan on Oct 7th, 2007, 10:19am

I plan on going there eventually. Never can find the time or money.

Sam has some good pictures from there.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Lisa555 on Nov 6th, 2007, 1:03pm

on Oct 7th, 2007, 10:19am, Revan wrote:
I plan on going there eventually.

Very good idea cheesy
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by kinserfan11 on Dec 23rd, 2007, 5:13pm

If anyone has ever been there; are there any pic up on the web? grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by backlit on Dec 23rd, 2007, 11:05pm

Forget area 51 and her secrets it is a no win game.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Poopzilla on Dec 26th, 2007, 05:17am

I'm going to Groom lake to check out Area 51 some day.. I hope I won't get shot.

Well, I guess the U.S. Government is hiding something there, they have a cover saying they're testing aeroplanes and other military vehicles and they are doing that.. But something else must be going on there too, I just don't know what..
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by dj_john69 on Jan 27th, 2008, 10:17pm

Hi, i live in Nevada and have heard many different stories about Area 51. I have drove near it but not close enough to be intercepted my authorities.

I do have a close friend that was employed by a company that basically laid down thick material liner that can be used to store hazardous waste. His company was contracted to go to Nellis Air Force Base outside of Vegas to line some areas for the government.

Once he arrived to Nellis, they...the group working, were basically briefed on what they needed to do and how long it was going to take to do it. They had to sign a waiver basically saying that if they accidentally died while on the "base", their body wouldn't be turned over to their family. The waiver also said something to the effect of that you were never here and you saw nothing. They also had to surrender any and all cell phones, pagers and any other device that could be used to try to communicate with the outside World.

After getting into Nellis, they met up with a convoy military of vehicles that drove to the very outskirts of the base heading North. The vehicles had armed personal riding in the rear of the jeeps and other vehicles leading and following their vehicle. It was mostly mountains around them at this point with no real signs of life around. They were blindfolded and were told that they would be able to take off the blindfolds when instructed. They had to ride in the military vehicles while some of the military crew drove their work vehicles into the work area. They drove about 20 - 30 minutes and ended up inside of a mountain. They were told they could remove the blindfolds at this point. There was basically a city underground with a freeway, grocery stores and hotels. These weren't normal city like buildings either either. The freeway was 6 lanes and dropped down into the Earth many many stories. Each story underground was a different part of the city. It had exits marked with signs. Once they arrived to their selected location, they were informed that the armed guards would be shadowing them each time they did something. The were escorted to their hotel rooms which didn't have any windows as well as no "front Desk". The armed guards stood outside the door the entire time they were in their rooms.

Once the crew went to work, the had to be escorted by the armed guards and military vehicles to a giant man made lake bed. This man made lake bed was they working location for a few weeks. While working at this lake bed, there were as many as 30 - 40 armed guards surrounding their working area. These armed guards didn't speak to them once while they were working underground. There was no communication between the workers and military personal. When food was needed for the working crew, they were escorted to the grocery store to grab whatever they wanted. It was all free, they didn't have to pay for anything. As well, they weren't permitted to "travel" anywhere. They had to stay in their rooms when they weren't working.

Back to the site they were working on. It was a kind of deep man made crater. It was about 1000' long by 500' wide and about 25' - 30' deep. They were laying down a thick (about 6' - 8") material. It was going to be used to store used hazardous waste. It was away from all "city life" under the mountain.

Once their work was finished, they were blindfolded once again and drove away from the secret location back to their initial meeting point in the desert.

After talking to my friend about his experience, he is convinced he was at Area 51 and Area 51 consisted of many stories or levels underground. He said he could recall going at least 6 stories down while heading to the work site.

When i first heard his story, i thought he was bs'ing me but he was very sincere and i could see in his eyes he wasn't lying. Needless to say, he quit that job once he got back to our city.

In my opinion, Nellis Air Force Base and Area 51 are certainly connected as one.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Bud on Apr 3rd, 2008, 5:07pm

on Sep 29th, 2002, 12:13pm, alieneve wrote:
I got pretty close to Area 51 once on a trip, but my boyfriend would not go where I wanted to go. Anyhow, he is not with me anymore...LOL


Good for Him.....at least one of you had some common sense. If you had gone where you wanted to, you might have been shot!!!
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by raventhewitch on Apr 30th, 2008, 3:10pm

I wouldn't mess with those people. I wouldn't get close enough for them to see your license plate. You sure as hell don't want them to know who you are and where you live.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Orenshii on May 2nd, 2008, 07:59am

At some point and time, i thought the earth was all humans. hiding and shooting peopel because they go near a military base imo is treason on the highest level. killing your own people for trying to get information they want and that the "freedom of information act" has granted us... or has it?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Lisa555 on May 2nd, 2008, 11:22am

I think in area 51 nothing see.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by iwantobelieve on Aug 5th, 2008, 4:52pm

The explorer and adventurer Steve Fossett disappeared over the nevada desert in his plane. One theory is he crash landed near area 51. He has never been found.

is there any articles about this theory?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Leftneck on Aug 21st, 2008, 10:49pm

This isn't an Area 51 story, but it's close. shocked

During my one and only one hitch in the USAF (waaay back in the mid 80's), I was stationed at Eielson AFB near Fairbanks, Alaska.

The small aircraft structural repair shop was shared between SAC & TAC crews. There was a really sharp guy there who worked on the TAC side. Quiet. Smart as hell. Family man. Wicked funny sense of humor. He was very talented and a real professional in every sense of the word. He had maxed out his time at Eielson, and, shortly after being promoted to Tech Sgt (a young Tech Sgt), he was offered - yes, you read that right, offered - a Top Secret assignment at Nellis AFB.

He hated the subzero temps in Alaska (but at least he got to work in a freakin' hangar; that was a luxury for the SAC guys), so he was more than ready for a change of scenery. He was very attracted to the prospect of living in Nevada, but the level of secrecy for the mission was burdensome enough that it took him several days to decide whether or not to accept it. He was told he could never, under any circumstances, discuss the nature of the work with anyone, ever, including his family. He wouldn't be informed of the exact nature of the work unless and until he accepted the offer. Whatever it was, it involved daily commutes to a highly classified location. By helicopter. Blindfolded. If I recall correctly, it was a forty-five minute commute each way. "I can always take a nap," he said with shrug. (Napping in a helicopter. I told you he was talented.)

With some trepidation, he accepted the mission and transferred out soon afterward.

That was the last I heard of him.

P.S. On the slim chance any of my old SAC buddies are reading this, I hope you're all doing well. To this day, you are some of the finest people I ever worked with. I hated the military, but I loved working with y'all. (Well, not every single one of you. laugh You know who you are.)
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by john12345 on Aug 24th, 2008, 06:20am

Man Missing After Spying On Area51
http://takeshix.blogspot.com/2008/08/man-missing-after-spying-on-area51.html
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Leftneck on Aug 24th, 2008, 8:40pm

Quote:
Man Missing After Spying On Area51


Yikes.

Before doing anything recklesss, people truly need to come to grips with the fact that little things like civil rights and due process no longer exist; and, even when they did, the potential consequences of discovering secrets, much less with an intent to reveal them, have always been grave.

Bringing light to the world ain't getting any less dangerous, especially when the torch is property of The State.


Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by KillerBee on Oct 14th, 2008, 10:38am

You do have to realize its being used for research. They can not take any chances that you are a spy and are going to report back to another country about what you saw.

They think you're a spy and your word isn't good enough. They have every right to kill you. If they wanted us to see whats inside they'd tell us.


You don't have any right to go snooping around on a military base. And the chances that you might be a spy are too high for the government to take any risks and let you free. They have no way of telling if you are just a curious bystander or a spy.

It isn't about "freedom" this stuff could start massive wars, could doom humanity. We;re trying to keep the Public safe from harm and advert any wars.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by GForce on Oct 14th, 2008, 12:20pm

They are signs warning people of the potential harm that could result in their trespassing onto the military base. If someone is stupid enough to try anyway then I don't feel sorry for what happens to them. Common sense should be used. If a sign says you may be killed if you trespass then you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know NOT to go forward.

Even IF you made it to the base you'd never to go inside and IF anything is there that's where it would be. Dan
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Seeker on Oct 14th, 2008, 2:12pm

My guess would be nothing much. Since the world wide exposure of Area 51, any sensitive base operations would have long since been relocated.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by RUCKUS on Jan 24th, 2009, 10:32am

It never ceases to amaze me how Area 51, Groom Lake or what ever you wish to call it continually generates so much interest. It’s a remote military / government installation used for testing and research of our Nations Secret Projects be it military or whatever. There needs to be a high level of security for this type of thing. Does anyone really wish that our Government just opened its doors for all to see? Do they have Extra Terrestrial projects going on there honestly I have no idea. However if they do I give them credit for keeping it under wraps as well as they have. What I will say is we have the most technically advanced military Bar None and as a citizen of the USA I am proud of our technical achievements. Now as far as all these so called EX workers with there claims of UFO this and ALIEN that I can bet that 99.9% of them and their claims are bogus attempts to gain popularity for themselves for some reason or another. People that are given ultra high security clearance do not just start blabbing about what they know at the first opportunity and if they do they would be and most importantly should be incarcerated with no exceptions! “We are talking about our Nations security here.” In other words “You have to earn the right to know”. So next time you read a post from someone who claims to have worked for the government and they are divulging secret information I can assure you that if they are valid claims and they are breaking their oath of secrecy that will be their last post for a very long time. Now im sure one of you will say "Well what about that .01%" Well they are in jail

I will say I believe we have been and still are being visited from who or what your guess is as good as mine it could be they have been here all along.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by THEREALarea51 on Feb 3rd, 2009, 2:31pm

Someone realted to me was granted the privelege to enter the area 51 base, and was contracted to lead construction of several new buildings in the base its-self. He was being taken into the area 51 base in a camoed humvee sitting next to a "base commander" of sorts.

As they were heading to the base, the "someone related to me" saw something he would never forget. An F15 shot STRAIGHT OUT OF THE GROUND at about a 50-60degree angle, ignited its afterburners seconds later, and flew off at a breakneck speed. It was so close and so loud he covered his ears. He looked at the ground where the plane had just appeared and saw that it was a large chute that was covering/resealing its-self over with a camoflauged sheet of a kind of metal. He told me that it was so well camoed that unless you stood on it you wouldn't realize it was not real ground.

As stated before, he just could not believe his eyes. A fully functional F15 had just shot out of the ground and flown off. The "base commander" turned to him and said
"YOU SAW NOTHING, UNDERSTAND ME?" and they sat in silence for the rest of the ride into the base.

Suffice to say, he did INDEED see something. Years later he related this story to me and others. This leads me to a REASONABLE theory as to what area 51 TRUELY is. I believe that it is a massive underground complex that extends both far underground and into the surrounding mountains. I believe that this place was built with the intention to withstand a nuclear attack, and still have the ability to retaliate using the "chute" method that my relative witnessed. The chute probably works on a similar principle as that used on aircraft carriers. They slingshot the plane off into flight. As for UFOS, I believe that those are merely previously unseen military planes. It is also my belief that they are taking full advantage of the "alien" smokescreen to make it that much more mysterious.

There it is, take it or leave it. I know damn well that my relative did not lie, and I believe him 100%. As for you, make up your own mind. It makes sense to build something like this incase of a worst case scenario.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by eedisonikk on Mar 2nd, 2009, 5:41pm

Smoke Screen ?.
The People of Earth and the People of the U.S.A. have the right to know what is going on over there. It is not a good thing , at least not for the people or the free world.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by MrGreen on Mar 9th, 2009, 10:29am

The base is just empty hangers!
a decoy maby!
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by GForce on Mar 9th, 2009, 10:41am

on Mar 9th, 2009, 10:29am, MrGreen wrote:
The base is just empty hangers!
a decoy maby!


Hi MrGreen and welcome to Casebook! If its a decoy its a good one since satellite photo's show some additions there. New buildings, runway etc. That's not to say the black/top secret projects haven't been moved somewhere else. That could be!
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by gainer on Apr 9th, 2009, 2:05pm

This might be a subject for another thread about area 51. i don't know. But I was reading about Obama's new budget and the proposed cuts to the military budget. The military budget cuts are going to the non-iraq/afghanistan war machines/military research like the F-22 Raptor and such projects like the laser plane. This got me thinking why wasn't there a cut to area 51 as well. It is a supposed to be a military research facility/base at least that what the govt has it registered as. So if the economy is in dire straights and we need to cut back. Why wasn't this cut! Area 51 is PROBABLY THE BIGGEST WASTE OF SPENDING IN THE MILITARY RIGHT NOW. So either they show why this is so important that we need to spend billions of dollars to run this base or IT SHOULD BE CUT. I think I will right Obama and my congress about this not as ufo fanatic but a budget conscious citizen and I hope you do the same.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Quincy on Apr 11th, 2009, 12:34am

I don't know if this was posted but feel free to deleteMods if it has.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story?id=7302869&page=1



UFOs? Aliens? Area 51 Revealed
After Decades of Silence, Former Military Officers Share Top-Secret Programs
By KI MAE HEUSSNER
April 10, 2009
SHARE It's the centerpiece of virtually every modern UFO theory and a symbol for everything the government doesn't tell us.

Area 51, near Nevada's Exterrestrial Highway (shown here), has long been the centerpiece of many...
Area 51, near Nevada's Exterrestrial Highway (shown here), has long been the centerpiece of many modern UFO conspiracy theories. Now, former Area 51 engineers and officers are talking about the base's top-secret programs and debunking myths about the airfield.
(ABC News Photo Illustration)About an hour's bus ride northwest of Las Vegas, Area 51 is one of the most famous military bases in the world, in part because the government barely acknowledges its existence.

According to UFO lore, Area 51, near Nevada State Route 375, otherwise known as "Extraterrestrial Highway," is where the Pentagon has, for decades, stored frozen extraterrestrials and recovered alien spacecraft. In the movie "Independence Day," it was where the heroes led a final attack against alien invaders.

But now that the CIA has started to declassify top secret programs developed at Area 51, former military officers and engineers are beginning to shed some light on the enigmatic airfield and give the UFOlogists some new information to consider.

Related
Lights Over Texas: UFO or Something Else?Moonstruck Astronaut Believes in UFOsE.T., Come to Communion"No one really knew we existed," said Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, a former special-projects engineer at Area 51. "Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."

A specialist in advance radar and Soviet MiG fighter aircraft, Barnes said he was tapped by the CIA to join a "cadre" of experts that could handle any kind of military project.



People Reported Seeing Flashes of Light
As an electronics engineer for NASA, he worked on the country's first rocket plane, the X-15, the Apollo space capsule and lunar lander research vehicles.

At Area 51, he helped develop the A-12 OXCART, a super-secret spy plane built by the Lockheed Corporation. Barnes said his colleagues conducted 2,850 test flights of the A-12 out of Area 51.

Traveling 2,200 mph at 90,000 feet, nothing could catch the planes. But, he said, people would see flashes of light.

That, he thinks, is what started the rumors of an extraterrestrial safe haven.

In some ways, Barnes said, the UFO myths actually helped keep the site's true activities under wraps.

"We considered it to be a bonus," he said. "They made it easier to conceal what we
see link for rest
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by THEREALarea51 on Apr 13th, 2009, 08:23am

Wrong. They have a huge underground installation. Don't believe me? Thats your problem. Yes, they can launch planes from underground too.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Quincy on Apr 13th, 2009, 11:56am

I just posted an article for the table. I didn't render an opinion. Since its all speculation, over 60 years. (is that like 4 score and seven years ago?)Maybe they even have toxic storage there. Maybe they manufacture Mrs. Paul's Fish Sticks there. Maybe they want those nifty Russian, Chinese, and other foreign satellites to peep at that place round the clock, and then the peeps on the ground guessing about there and nowhere else. Makes sense to me.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Whisperstream on Apr 13th, 2009, 3:05pm

The article didn't really have any new information since these projects have been declassified for many years and these guys have been interviewed before and posted information on their own web sites.

Still, it is always nice to have some people who actually worked at Area 51 tell their stories and put some of the myths to rest.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Quincy on Apr 13th, 2009, 3:18pm

I agree, that takes care of about 2200 or strange flash reports in the sky, for just a couple of projects alone. Not only does it dispel some of the myths, but will hopefully take some of the merchandisers along with them.
This is good for Disclosure cheesy
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by john12345 on Apr 13th, 2009, 4:06pm

here's another
http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200915/3427/UFO-or-not-UFO-Area-51-declassifying-pours-cold-water-on-theory
"No one really knew we existed. Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by SEARCHER on Apr 13th, 2009, 5:02pm

I've heard on several different shows from some of the people who have supposedly worked there in one area or another that none of the people that work on different projects know what any of the others are doing on their projects.I would say that this person was telling the truth as far as he knows,but then he was only on that one project,I truly don't think that any one person would know everything that's going on there.There could be several dozens to several hundreds of projects going on or more if you believe in the stories that there are quite a few levels below the surface and those people may never talk to or see any of the others.The area has alot of new work going on on the surface,hard to say whats going on below the surface.I really don't think even the President will know what really goes on there.But with all the new work happening there I'm sure that they will keep getting the money they want to keep going rolleyes .I like to think that it's going to be the new space port for all in coming space ships and this will give them a place hangout and do any of their research on us or what ever. Possibly different levels for different species of aliens. grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Quincy on Apr 13th, 2009, 8:56pm

I agree about that secrecy as general SOP, especially the compartmentalization, which is why I had problems with Lazar , hired to work as a physicist or engineer, by subcontract , with a 1099 with earnings, less than a month, at peon wages for such a project, seemingly waltzing thru the area enough to see areas that would have been compartmentalized. Remember the mid eighties was also a time of great leaks by chinese spies, and and new protocols in place after senate DoD hearings. If he had really violated an NDA then I am sure he would not be out free, with just the usual whining like Reed, of being harassed by MIBs, or Tax problems. I am not aware that the NDA would preclude him from saying they are manufacturing gold out of lead, much less there are various models of ET craft their. With him and Lear together, we have the perfect xxxxtail for a never ending yarn. Thats my opinion.
But these things have been said before , nothing new.
Only, that adjustments or reality checks are in order to accommodate t new sets of sobering facts as they as they surface, and we realize that "trusted",( cough cough), sources, like the Doties and Collins, Serpico drama, Camelot, LMH, c2c, etc need a Lot closer scrutiny, if you are ever to find out the truth about anything. I sometimes think there seems to be a pecking order, but There is a lot of damage to be undone, as a reults of all these purveyors of " government secrets" and of course "Intrigue".
Anything else is wishful thinking, IMO.

@john, I swear, that sounds almost exactly like a line from SCC Terminators, when Sarah was investigating that secret skynet lab that was blown up by a terminator! smiley None of the wives and husbands knew what their spouses did at the underground plant. and they had cameras in everyones homes. Bizarre.

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by SyntheticAbortion on Jun 17th, 2009, 07:33am

does the president actually have tabs on whats going on at area 51? some reckon that the president is just a figurehead that the people look to for support but it really nothing but a scapegoat to the higher uppers in the us goverment. either way there is definetly something going on at area 51 no doubt about it.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by fullrextumwarrior on Jul 17th, 2009, 7:18pm

if they had secrets you should stop seeking them I ask you as a fellow survivor to stop pressing the subject.


A dead end as you would never could gain all relevance in thought or action.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4afP2WHzoM&feature=related
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Seeker on Jul 17th, 2009, 8:21pm

on Apr 13th, 2009, 08:23am, THEREALarea51 wrote:
Wrong. They have a huge underground installation. Don't believe me? Thats your problem. Yes, they can launch planes from underground too.


The,

I am not necessarily debating the truth of your comment, but may I ask on what do you base such commentary? What is your source of information?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by SadieMoone on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:18pm

does anyone know project stargate ?
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by murnut on Aug 3rd, 2009, 6:04pm

http://www.starstreamresearch.com/stargate.htm


on Aug 3rd, 2009, 5:18pm, SadieMoone wrote:
does anyone know project stargate ?

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by SadieMoone on Aug 8th, 2009, 2:07pm

thanx murnut what else do you know about project sg-1? or anything about the time gate?

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Asperger on Aug 17th, 2009, 04:45am

What I don't like about all the Area 51 theories is the fact they differ way too much. There are of course a lot of secret and hidden things going on, but what these things are, is unclear, even though there are many people who claim to know. So I'm not very interested in these theories since the chance they actually have any factual value is very small and even in case I read something that is true, I don't know it.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Christian on Aug 23rd, 2009, 11:55pm

It would be interesting to camp near area 51 to see if anything happens.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by real567 on Oct 4th, 2009, 10:51pm

From reading about area 51, i beleive it is real and they do work on top secret things there. although i doubt it is UFOs, i think area 51 is meant to attract our attention to the base and nothing less.. example; for years the government has denied its exsistance, i beleive they are doing this to draw more attention to the base and to leave us mainly wondering about that specific area, to me it seems like they are keeping alien technology somewhere else, in the mountains perhaps. if any of you have looked at Area 51 from a sattalite image, which im sure a lot of you have, you can notice there are roads that lead into the mountains and never exit them... area 51 is just sought by the government to be a distraction from something far more grand.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by cryptoufo on Oct 6th, 2009, 10:08am

everything is true, the gov try to cover it up and didnt succeded in doing it.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by GForce on Oct 6th, 2009, 3:36pm

on Oct 6th, 2009, 10:08am, cryptoufo wrote:
everything is true, the gov try to cover it up and didnt succeded in doing it.


Hi crypto, I'm not sure what you mean by everything but without question it is/was a top secret air force base. Even though most of us know it exists we really don't know what goes on there. Thus Top Secret.

Personally I believe we test experimental aircraft there, maybe even disc shaped craft. But I don't think aliens or alien bodies are kept there. Rumors of crashed alien craft being there I believe are just rumors. I'm not saying they don't exist but I don't think they're kept there. Of course like everyone else I can't say it isn't either.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by spacechild on Dec 6th, 2009, 9:57pm

on Aug 17th, 2009, 04:45am, Asperger wrote:
What I don't like about all the Area 51 theories is the fact they differ way too much. There are of course a lot of secret and hidden things going on, but what these things are, is unclear, even though there are many people who claim to know. So I'm not very interested in these theories since the chance they actually have any factual value is very small and even in case I read something that is true, I don't know it.
I agree there is so much publicity about area 51 and has been for so many years there is probably some area 52 or 53 by now.Somewhere totally underground some other place never to be seen by anyone.So many deserted places in a desert or in a forest so far in no one would even know it was there. I have gone on Google earth several times just scanning a area slowly moving up and down in areas were there is no road .I would find a big hole in a mountain side I would angel in. It would be a big enough hole to get anything into it.Then all of a sudden there would be another layer of another color of the same area blocking where I was looking and could never find it again. So even Google earth is controlled by the government when it comes to national security.Or whatever they want to call it.I guess they call it none of our business. There are the salt mines in Utah that hold nuclear waste and a vault that holds all kinds of nice things in Kentucky we would like to know about.There are gold mines at over 11,000 feet deep so there is plenty of wonderful things we will never find out about. Not probably without having a very bad accident to us not to say anything to anyone else.Yes national security has its own set of laws or lack of.Have a great week.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by TheTenthDoctor on Jan 7th, 2010, 07:06am

I believe we know about aliens and ufos then the people who covered up UFO/Alien evidence at area 51.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by wildwill on Jan 7th, 2010, 12:09pm

Area 51 is a research and "test" facility for prototype aircraft. I flew in there in 1971 (to refuel a USAF aircraft used for photographic recon and to drop off film for developing) and there are some things people need to know beyond the supposed presence of aliens.

First off, Area 51 sits in very close proximity to the White Sands Missile Range (WSMR), the largest US military area in the United States. White Sands, as most of you know, is a missle and rocket test facility, most renowned for the testing of nuclear bombs before the Japanese holocausts. This range has a long history of ufo observation, and just prior to the crash two ufos were sighted, apparently one in pursuit of the other.

It has been speculated that the ufo debris recovered (which did in fact happen, but no evidence remains on site) was from a craft suspected of failing due to some form of malfunction (either mechanical or pilot error).

This flies in the face of logic, because any craft capable of interstellar flight probably had the bugs worked out of the drive train long before we were ever visited. Pilot error is also extremely unlikely. Until the time of the crash, there was enormous ufo activity in the area, which mysteriously dramatically declined immediately after the crash.

It is my belief that the recovered debris is from a ufo that was destroyed by another ufo pursuing it, but the motive escapes me, other than the possibility that the occupants either were about to interact with mankind either in a helpful manner, or possibly to take offensive action to deter nuclear development. Either way, one ufo did NOT want the other to proceed with whatever mission it was on.

The debris was quickly removed from the site and base by joint efforts by the USAF, Army and Marines. Where it is currently stored remains classified information not likely to be revealed until, as others have pointed out, such time keeping it secret becomes redundant.

There is no doubt of the reverse engineering that has occured since the crash, in fact here's a quote some of you may be familiar with:

"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer ‘crash’ in Roswell, New Mexico, in July, 1947, led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fiber optic technologies, particle beams, electromagnetic propulsion systems, stealth capabilities, and many others! How do I know? I was in charge!”
- Colonel Philip Corso (Army Intelligence officer, former head of the Foreign Technology at the U.S. Army’s Research and Development department at the Pentagon)

Currently Area 51 is the government's prime extraterrestrial attention diversion facility. In fact they have escalated rumors and attention specifically to keep public attention focused far from their current test facilities. Did a ufo crash at Roswell? Yes. Was it an accident? Highly unlikely. Has there been reverse engineering from recovered debris. Yes. Were there "alien" bodies recovered? Yes. Were they Greys, little green men or other species of extraterrestrials? No.

It's time for the public to go from being the government's pawn in a cosmic chess game, to being the government's opponent. Do you think the government caved after the civil rights marches on Washington? Or relented after the marches to oppose Vietnam? Maybe it's time to organize the largest march of all, to finally publically open the books on the truth of ufos and the origin of man.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by GForce on Jan 7th, 2010, 2:46pm

Great post wildwill maybe it'll get the debate going again. But I doubt a march of any kind will get the government to come clean. Hope I'm wrong! But any coverage the event(march) would garner would be covered by the talking heads of the media interviewing the nuts with tinfoil on their heads. Not the serious intelligent believer.

So until the media takes UFO sightings serious they'll be little pressure from the Powers to come clean. And while some sightings have been covered fairly most have some joke attached at the end to poo-poo the sighting. Dan
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by purr on Jan 7th, 2010, 3:07pm

on Jan 7th, 2010, 12:09pm, wildwill wrote:
Area 51 is a research and "test" facility for prototype aircraft. I flew in there in 1971 (to refuel a USAF aircraft used for photographic recon and to drop off film for developing) and there are some things people need to know beyond the supposed presence of aliens.

First off, Area 51 sits in very close proximity to the White Sands Missile Range (WSMR), the largest US military area in the United States. White Sands, as most of you know, is a missle and rocket test facility, most renowned for the testing of nuclear bombs before the Japanese holocausts. This range has a long history of ufo observation, and just prior to the crash two ufos were sighted, apparently one in pursuit of the other.

It has been speculated that the ufo debris recovered (which did in fact happen, but no evidence remains on site) was from a craft suspected of failing due to some form of malfunction (either mechanical or pilot error).

This flies in the face of logic, because any craft capable of interstellar flight probably had the bugs worked out of the drive train long before we were ever visited. Pilot error is also extremely unlikely. Until the time of the crash, there was enormous ufo activity in the area, which mysteriously dramatically declined immediately after the crash.

It is my belief that the recovered debris is from a ufo that was destroyed by another ufo pursuing it, but the motive escapes me, other than the possibility that the occupants either were about to interact with mankind either in a helpful manner, or possibly to take offensive action to deter nuclear development. Either way, one ufo did NOT want the other to proceed with whatever mission it was on.

The debris was quickly removed from the site and base by joint efforts by the USAF, Army and Marines. Where it is currently stored remains classified information not likely to be revealed until, as others have pointed out, such time keeping it secret becomes redundant.

There is no doubt of the reverse engineering that has occured since the crash, in fact here's a quote some of you may be familiar with:

"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer ‘crash’ in Roswell, New Mexico, in July, 1947, led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fiber optic technologies, particle beams, electromagnetic propulsion systems, stealth capabilities, and many others! How do I know? I was in charge!”
- Colonel Philip Corso (Army Intelligence officer, former head of the Foreign Technology at the U.S. Army’s Research and Development department at the Pentagon)

Currently Area 51 is the government's prime extraterrestrial attention diversion facility. In fact they have escalated rumors and attention specifically to keep public attention focused far from their current test facilities. Did a ufo crash at Roswell? Yes. Was it an accident? Highly unlikely. Has there been reverse engineering from recovered debris. Yes. Were there "alien" bodies recovered? Yes. Were they Greys, little green men or other species of extraterrestrials? No.

It's time for the public to go from being the government's pawn in a cosmic chess game, to being the government's opponent. Do you think the government caved after the civil rights marches on Washington? Or relented after the marches to oppose Vietnam? Maybe it's time to organize the largest march of all, to finally publically open the books on the truth of ufos and the origin of man.


Interesting info, wildwill. I'm pleased to hear you quoting Philip Corso, I too read his book, and took and still take him very seriously.

So where has all the 'debris' from Roswell gone too? Well, my house is filled with it. Countless gizmos running my household, especially the computers, entertainment centers and the laptop I'm using right now (it's an ALIEN BRAIN and I'm in a mind meld with it!!) are the result imo of all those hardworking reverse-engineers.

Could it be the Roswell crash was a Trojan Horse, designed to set in motion a feverish development of tech, computers, communication, aviation/spacecraft & weaponry, and last but not least the internet. Somehow that little disk is running the whole world...


purr
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by wildwill on Jan 7th, 2010, 3:16pm

I think you're probably right, GForce. One of the things that disturbs me the most about mainstream media is the biased slant they control, and therefore, there is very little "fair" coverage.

I remember going to a fringe political party's public meeting a few years ago, packed to the rafters with enthusiastic people pumped about the new party, but when the meeting was covered on national television that night the camera focused in on one senior citizen in the waiting room who was nodding off, and one fubar outside who is a known mental patient in the community. However, despite the very obvious biased media slant, that party now governs our country (and the national station responsible has had massive budget, and more importantly, staff cuts).

I guess all we can do at this point is dream about someday being taken seriously, but with the control governments have over media, it may well be a very, very, very long dream.


Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by wildwill on Jan 7th, 2010, 4:23pm

on Jan 7th, 2010, 3:07pm, purr wrote:
Interesting info, wildwill. I'm pleased to hear you quoting Philip Corso, I too read his book, and took and still take him very seriously.

So where has all the 'debris' from Roswell gone too? Well, my house is filled with it. Countless gizmos running my household, especially the computers, entertainment centers and the laptop I'm using right now (it's an ALIEN BRAIN and I'm in a mind meld with it!!) are the result imo of all those hardworking reverse-engineers.

Could it be the Roswell crash was a Trojan Horse, designed to set in motion a feverish development of tech, computers, communication, aviation/spacecraft & weaponry, and last but not least the internet. Somehow that little disk is running the whole world...

purr


There is the very distinct possibility the crash was some form of "trojan horse". Unfortunately, most known encounters mention the fact that NO information could be removed or copied from the visitors (ie: Betty Hill, etc.) because apparently the visitors want no proof of their existence to be in human hands. Could it have been an intentional "accident"? I personally don't believe so, but that is a long way from being fact. You are correct about having a house full of reverse engineering, and it's quite possible the very computers we're communicating on are reverse engineered from base operational or navigational systems from the crashed craft. Too bad they couldn't crack the communication and drive language and programs, because global warming would quickly cease to be an issue if that info was leaked.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by bonehead on Jan 12th, 2010, 12:02pm

on Jan 7th, 2010, 12:09pm, wildwill wrote:
Area 51 is a research and "test" facility for prototype aircraft. I flew in there in 1971 (to refuel a USAF aircraft used for photographic recon and to drop off film for developing) and there are some things people need to know beyond the supposed presence of aliens.

First off, Area 51 sits in very close proximity to the White Sands Missile Range (WSMR), the largest US military area in the United States. White Sands, as most of you know, is a missle and rocket test facility, most renowned for the testing of nuclear bombs before the Japanese holocausts. This range has a long history of ufo observation, and just prior to the crash two ufos were sighted, apparently one in pursuit of the other.


Whoa, whoa, whoa, Will!

You should get your facts straight before rattling them off as "facts". Area 51 is NOWHERE NEAR White Sands Missile Range. White Sands is in central New Mexico, near Alamogordo while Area 51 is in central Nevada, within the boundaries of the Nellis bombing range, which is perhaps the largest military facility in the US - in fact, larger than many states.

There is a whole 'nother state and several hundred miles intervening between those two places.

Certainly, UFOs DID pay close attention to New Mexico and the White Sands range during the late '40s and '50s. They have always had a strong interest in our nuclear activities. You can read Robert Hastings articles about this at the UFO Chronicles website:

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2008/12/did-ufos-cause-shutdown-of-icbms-at.html

Or better yet, read his book on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Nukes-Extraordinary-Encounters-Nuclear/dp/1434398315/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263316791&sr=1-1

on Jan 7th, 2010, 12:09pm, wildwill wrote:
It has been speculated that the ufo debris recovered (which did in fact happen, but no evidence remains on site) was from a craft suspected of failing due to some form of malfunction (either mechanical or pilot error).

This flies in the face of logic, because any craft capable of interstellar flight probably had the bugs worked out of the drive train long before we were ever visited. Pilot error is also extremely unlikely. Until the time of the crash, there was enormous ufo activity in the area, which mysteriously dramatically declined immediately after the crash.

It is my belief that the recovered debris is from a ufo that was destroyed by another ufo pursuing it, but the motive escapes me, other than the possibility that the occupants either were about to interact with mankind either in a helpful manner, or possibly to take offensive action to deter nuclear development. Either way, one ufo did NOT want the other to proceed with whatever mission it was on.


If you are talking about the Roswell incident, then you are not talking about area 51 as mentioned above - but central New Mexico.

Having read some really good articles on anti-gravity technology this past year, the whole thing is dependent on electromagnetism and creating energy fields using the same. Rancher Mac Brazel who was foremen on the ranch where the crash took place recalled hearing a loud explosion on the very stormy night when he suspected the crash took place.

Having lived in New Mexico myself for a few years, I can attest to the ferocity of the summertime monsoon storms. Now, what do you suppose would have a severe deleterious effect on the function of an electromagnetic field? Perhaps a large and instantaneous electromagnetic charge from outside the confines of that field - you know, like a lightning strike?

Others suggest that radar did the trick. Radar also depends on electromagnetic waves to do their work.

Suggesting that the UFO was shot down by another is an original speculation on your part. It certainly is possible. But I think this is based more on your own beliefs about things than any actual evidence. I have offered two alternatives here that fit more closely to what people reported. Speculating WHY the crash happened is okay, just do not get too attached to your own explanations.

There can be a million reasons why an accident happens. Suggesting that advanced technology would eliminate accidents altogether is a speculation which, to my mind, "flies in the face of logic". Stuff happens. I suspect stuff will continue to happen as long as people (or other similar beings) make mistakes, unwitting or otherwise. kiss


on Jan 7th, 2010, 12:09pm, wildwill wrote:
It's time for the public to go from being the government's pawn in a cosmic chess game, to being the government's opponent. Do you think the government caved after the civil rights marches on Washington? Or relented after the marches to oppose Vietnam? Maybe it's time to organize the largest march of all, to finally publically open the books on the truth of ufos and the origin of man.


Will, way to rage against the machine! Hey, if you can get this thing going than I will be right there with you, marching in the front lines.

But let's get real: In a world where more people actually believe in the possibility of UFOs than will willingly admit it - due to worries about what others will think of them for revealing such beliefs - getting people on board for such a crusade is more than an uphill battle. It is battle against people's sense of cultural belonging.

Good luck with that. And when you get it going, let me know and Bonehead will be there with bells on..... laugh

Cheers!!

Bonehead

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by CitizenStew on Mar 11th, 2010, 5:15pm

Col Corso did also make mention that the star wars SDI system was created to not only disable the guidance mechanism on enemy warheads, but also to disable extraterrestrial vehicles. Perhaps after the Roswell incident we recieved so much beneficial technology that they craved more and conspired to shoot down/disable these things coming here in hopes that they could get another taste of the technology onboard.


This is my problem with the government doing this whole thing behind our backs. I personally don't trust government and I know a lot of others feel the same way. Do we want these CIA types to be the ones acting as ambassadors to an alien presence? Do we want this kind of greed to be what aliens take away from their meeting with us? Instead of trying to be diplomatic we conspire to shoot down their vehicles to steal their secrets?

I am amazed we havn't seen any of these UFO's becoming hostile yet. Perhaps they consider us attacking them as a non-threat and they could stand to lose a couple of guys, especially if the greys are really just surrogates for controllers that live somewhere else, controlling them remotely. It would be like losing the mars rover. It's just a loss of money and effort and not any human lives. They may view this the same way.

Either way, this is why Von Braun was so against space based weaponry. He knows our capacity to fuck up diplomatic relations by deciding to shoot first and ask questions later.

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by bonehead on Apr 3rd, 2010, 1:23pm

on Mar 11th, 2010, 5:15pm, CitizenStew wrote:
Col Corso did also make mention that the star wars SDI system was created to not only disable the guidance mechanism on enemy warheads, but also to disable extraterrestrial vehicles. Perhaps after the Roswell incident we recieved so much beneficial technology that they craved more and conspired to shoot down/disable these things coming here in hopes that they could get another taste of the technology onboard.


This is my problem with the government doing this whole thing behind our backs. I personally don't trust government and I know a lot of others feel the same way. Do we want these CIA types to be the ones acting as ambassadors to an alien presence? Do we want this kind of greed to be what aliens take away from their meeting with us? Instead of trying to be diplomatic we conspire to shoot down their vehicles to steal their secrets?

I am amazed we havn't seen any of these UFO's becoming hostile yet. Perhaps they consider us attacking them as a non-threat and they could stand to lose a couple of guys, especially if the greys are really just surrogates for controllers that live somewhere else, controlling them remotely. It would be like losing the mars rover. It's just a loss of money and effort and not any human lives. They may view this the same way.

Either way, this is why Von Braun was so against space based weaponry. He knows our capacity to SCREW up diplomatic relations by deciding to shoot first and ask questions later.


Stew,

Dude, watch your language. If you keep getting "banned" that is why. It isn't that difficult. We all do it here. Okay? wink

But hey, I agree with you. Our whole way of being, socially speaking, is corrupted by a militant reactionary-ism. Our national structures are violence prone and all based on selfishness and an implicit compulsive desire to gain the advantage over others.

And the worst part about this is that the military types, the people we empower with this "special" secret knowledge, are the biggest knuckle-dragging, gun toting Bubbas on the planet. We send out the toothless idiots as our "welcoming party". The single scariest thing about Corso's book is the recognition that he is a prime example of this mouth-breathing, hillbilly mentality.

He actually convinced himself that we were "at war" with the aliens, and that he was somehow instrumental in "winning" said war. The guy was a moron for the ages. He was a moron that made other morons look like amateurs. Nothing quite says "welcome mat" like sending out the Bubbas with their guns and a kill first, ask questions later, mentality.

I guarantee that if there was an actual war with the green guys, they would have turned our colons inside out and have been wearing them as hats faster than you could say it. All of that hillbilly stuff would have been ancient history in the blink of an eye. And, for this very reason, I think it is safe to say that the aliens have no nefarious plans for the violent overthrow of humanity.

It is all a paranoid human fantasy that has no basis in reality. Sweeet! tongue

Stupid is as stupid does. If that is true then we are truly, spectacularly, over-achieving, inspiration-ally stupid. "Hey green guys, we are humans, and we make a bag of hair look smart!"

Kinda makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, eh? lipsrsealed

Bonehead


Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Seeker on Apr 3rd, 2010, 2:11pm


Quote:
Good luck with that. And when you get it going, let me know and Bonehead will be there with bells on..... laugh

Cheers!!

Bonehead


ME TOO!!!
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by spacechild on Apr 3rd, 2010, 2:14pm

on Apr 3rd, 2010, 1:23pm, bonehead wrote:
Stew,

Dude, watch your language. If you keep getting "banned" that is why. It isn't that difficult. We all do it here. Okay? wink

But hey, I agree with you. Our whole way of being, socially speaking, is corrupted by a militant reactionary-ism. Our national structures are violence prone and all based on selfishness and an implicit compulsive desire to gain the advantage over others.

And the worst part about this is that the military types, the people we empower with this "special" secret knowledge, are the biggest knuckle-dragging, gun toting Bubbas on the planet. We send out the toothless idiots as our "welcoming party". The single scariest thing about Corso's book is the recognition that he is a prime example of this mouth-breathing, hillbilly mentality.

He actually convinced himself that we were "at war" with the aliens, and that he was somehow instrumental in "winning" said war. The guy was a moron for the ages. He was a moron that made other morons look like amateurs. Nothing quite says "welcome mat" like sending out the Bubbas with their guns and a kill first, ask questions later, mentality.

I guarantee that if there was an actual war with the green guys, they would have turned our colons inside out and have been wearing them as hats faster than you could say it. All of that hillbilly stuff would have been ancient history in the blink of an eye. And, for this very reason, I think it is safe to say that the aliens have no nefarious plans for the violent overthrow of humanity.

It is all a paranoid human fantasy that has no basis in reality. Sweeet! tongue

Stupid is as stupid does. If that is true then we are truly, spectacularly, over-achieving, inspiration-ally stupid. "Hey green guys, we are humans, and we make a bag of hair look smart!"

Kinda makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, eh? lipsrsealed

Bonehead

I believe we as men and now women wanting to be helping men in battle.We have programmed mankind for centuries.If someone is near your place hate it and get them back as far away from you as possible.If they do not go away make them.And as time goes by lets help others do the same.If we do not like what they do they are nothing and should either be controlled or killed.Makes no differences if it is animal or humans.Just in my generation not really old at all.But started with cowboys against Indians. Cops against robbers . In nether one of these child games was I thought to capture these opposing men .I was taught or thought I should be killing them.Now here we are in the future of my childhood and people not all.But many movies aliens bad humans good .Do not capture aliens kill them.I believe this mentality goes as far back as mankind itself.I know this is a bad topic and I do not mean any dis-respect this is just my stupid human opinion. Even if you go back to a very old book of the bible or Koran or some of the other books at the beginning once there was more then 2 men on the planet one would kill the other one.Even if you do not believe in any of these books at all.The stories were written thousands of years ago.We had no guns no nuclear .Not even anything but rocks.And that was enough to kill someone and we did.How many men including myself watch the movies of Bruce Lee or Rambo and do not get a feeling of bad butt in us.How many of us do not before we are married go and put on some tough guy act one time or another.Why is this.It is like it is in us.Boys do not cry.Stop being a pansy .All these things we would be better off without as a planet. I believe the beings may have never had this gene.Perhaps they put there energy into technology into stopping sicknesses .All working together.Even now countries will work on stopping and fighting cancers but all separated not all together. All our technology is like this.I worked in Infra Red materials at Raytheon Research for 13 years.One lab would be working on Y203 or Zinc Sulfide or Spinel or some other type materials.One process could help another but do to people wanting to do things on there own and have there name on the top of the paper millions wasted .All because one man did not want to ask the other lab I have a problem how do you clear up your material in the H.I.P. It makes no difference about what all this short terms mean I have written here . But it is just to show why we could be so much further then we are today if there was much more cooperation between us and less fighting or less its all about me.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Seeker on Apr 3rd, 2010, 2:22pm

on Apr 3rd, 2010, 1:23pm, bonehead wrote:
Stew,

Dude, watch your language. If you keep getting "banned" that is why. It isn't that difficult. We all do it here. Okay? wink

But hey, I agree with you. Our whole way of being, socially speaking, is corrupted by a militant reactionary-ism. Our national structures are violence prone and all based on selfishness and an implicit compulsive desire to gain the advantage over others.

And the worst part about this is that the military types, the people we empower with this "special" secret knowledge, are the biggest knuckle-dragging, gun toting Bubbas on the planet. We send out the toothless idiots as our "welcoming party". The single scariest thing about Corso's book is the recognition that he is a prime example of this mouth-breathing, hillbilly mentality.

He actually convinced himself that we were "at war" with the aliens, and that he was somehow instrumental in "winning" said war. The guy was a moron for the ages. He was a moron that made other morons look like amateurs. Nothing quite says "welcome mat" like sending out the Bubbas with their guns and a kill first, ask questions later, mentality.

I guarantee that if there was an actual war with the green guys, they would have turned our colons inside out and have been wearing them as hats faster than you could say it. All of that hillbilly stuff would have been ancient history in the blink of an eye. And, for this very reason, I think it is safe to say that the aliens have no nefarious plans for the violent overthrow of humanity.

It is all a paranoid human fantasy that has no basis in reality. Sweeet! tongue

Stupid is as stupid does. If that is true then we are truly, spectacularly, over-achieving, inspiration-ally stupid. "Hey green guys, we are humans, and we make a bag of hair look smart!"

Kinda makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, eh? lipsrsealed

Bonehead



Boney,

This may well be the best and most eloquent post you have ever written, and there have been some spectacular ones!!! I could not agree with you more, and it stuns me that people can project such an enormous state of stupidity, but then it shouldn't... I've been watching it manifest in various ways all of my reasoning adult life. It seems there is no END to the monumental stupidity certain members of the human race (those with, as you so aptly put it, their "knuckle-dragging" mentality!) are capable of. Heaven help us all!

Still (and I almost hate to say it, knowing full well the ridicule it will bring down on my head, by those who think they have the market cornered on truth, wisdom and the American way, haaaaaaaaa! Ask me if I care wink), I remain ever the optimist. It occurs to me that since we do all create the reality we inhabit, I can simply choose a different one from that of the moronic bozos purported to be running the show, and thus step into a future monumentally different from the one they're creating for themselves and those that fall victim to the propaganda they spew grin Shall I save you a front row seat on my bus to a new and bright tomorrow? wink No need... I feel sure you have your OWN bus! wink grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by SamTHorn on Apr 14th, 2010, 12:30pm

Awesome read. Thanks for having me.

~sam
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by ufo925 on Jul 16th, 2010, 2:23pm

I think they probably have used Area 51 for some really strange things. I don't know if I really believe they had ufos there but they had or still have weird things there. I doubt they use it much anymore since so many people know about it and research it. I know they use other places and I think a lot of them are underground now.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by ohendry on Sep 25th, 2010, 6:14pm

If there were anything there, it's long gone now.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Whisperstream on Sep 29th, 2010, 10:51am

Actually, Area 51 (now known as the National Classified Test Facility) is still a very busy place. There are around 2,500 military and civilian personnel working on multiple test projects. Facilities and infrastructure have been improved and expanded over the past decade and the entire fleet of Boeing 737 commuter passenger transports was upgraded with new aircraft.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Seeker on Sep 29th, 2010, 3:48pm

I know we are all bound to have our own opinion and point of view on this subject, but personally I believe while there may be lots going on at Area 51 in terms of military and civilian test vehicles, I do not think it it presently being used as a an alien base or that alien technology is being reverse engineered there as it was believed to be in the past. It's too well known now, and very likely any top secret stuff involving aliens has long since been relocated. Personal opinion only, folks grin
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Shaman on Sep 29th, 2010, 7:56pm

BJ

I don't know what might be going on at area 51, but I agree with Seeker, probably nothing to do with UFOs, and possibly nothing secret at all.

Area 51 is so subject to scrutiny that it is probably only used for subterfuge by military intelligence, the more people they can keep looking there the fewer people looking elsewhere. The stuff that may once have been at area 51 is probably 100 feet beneath an Iowa cornfield or somewhere similar.

Shaman
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Merlin2010 on Oct 3rd, 2010, 4:38pm

on Sep 29th, 2010, 7:56pm, Shaman wrote:
BJ

I
Area 51 is so subject to scrutiny that it is probably only used for subterfuge by military intelligence, the more people they can keep looking there the fewer people looking elsewhere.
That is how magicians work, they get you looking one way whilst doing something out of site.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Tristana on Oct 4th, 2010, 09:53am

and what if the magicians were so brilliant as to have us all distracted by the idea that UFOs and ETs come from outer space when in fact they are extra-dimensional beings, from another dimension. It may well be true.

Here is a very frightening take on it all and on area 51 that suggests ETs are not in fact what we think they are, it does fit all too horribly well with Art Bell's frantic caller and suggests that the secrets of area 51 are beyond what we have imagined:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpUtbCpXv4&feature=related

I have always been skeptical but I do believe ETs must be extra dimensional. The arguments about their abilities to disappear, appear, go faster than the speed of sound without making a sonic boom etc make too much sense.


Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Luvey on Oct 4th, 2010, 10:22am

on Oct 4th, 2010, 09:53am, Tristana wrote:
and what if the magicians were so brilliant as to have us all distracted by the idea that UFOs and ETs come from outer space when in fact they are extra-dimensional beings, from another dimension. It may well be true.

Here is a very frightening take on it all and on area 51 that suggests ETs are not in fact what we think they are, it does fit all too horribly well with Art Bell's frantic caller and suggests that the secrets of area 51 are beyond what we have imagined:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpUtbCpXv4&feature=related

I have always been skeptical but I do believe ETs must be extra dimensional. The arguments about their abilities to disappear, appear, go faster than the speed of sound without making a sonic boom etc make too much sense.



Hello Tristania

I agree with you about other dimensional beings, but from recent findings it seems that humans have developed ufos long ago, and are abducting people too (copycatting).

Luvey
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Whisperstream on Oct 4th, 2010, 3:37pm

Seeker is absolutely correct that Area 51 is NOT "being used as an alien base or that alien technology is being reverse engineered there."

The Groom Lake facility never had any connection to extraterrestrial beings or technology. That was an "urban myth" that unfortunately became an indelible part of popular culture.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by john12345 on Jan 16th, 2011, 6:22pm

here is a good read from nbclosangeles
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/How-to-Find-UFOs-with-Google-Maps-113777984.html
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by pete4438 on Jan 17th, 2011, 09:12am

Re; RAF base in Scotland. Actually there are two. Security is very very tight although not overtly so. There is no doubt whatsoever that there are some pretty weird things going on in Scotland but not on the same scale as Area 51.
Pete.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by icepick on Jan 17th, 2011, 7:16pm

Uh ......... the government has it down pat on dealing with sat photos and places like area 51. And it's not as obvious as it used to be. Remember, they own the satellites. Along with all the software that talks to ........... those satellites.

One thing we know for positive about dreamland? Is that it's very doubtful we will ever know what goes on there. But while aliens are doubtful, if we ever do get invaded by aliens? Humanities best hope will probably come out of there.

Take care
Tim
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by john12345 on Feb 4th, 2011, 12:44pm

l found this blog, a couple of interesting replies as regards security there
couple of quite funny replies too wink

I decided today that I'm going to make a long time plan to break into Area51, undetected, and gain information on top secrets. Any tips for me?

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3900936


Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by ciknay547 on Apr 16th, 2011, 10:44pm

on Feb 4th, 2011, 12:44pm, john12345 wrote:
l found this blog, a couple of interesting replies as regards security there
couple of quite funny replies too wink

I decided today that I'm going to make a long time plan to break into Area51, undetected, and gain information on top secrets. Any tips for me?

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3900936



Dont get shot.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by masker33 on May 13th, 2011, 10:17pm

NONE.
L E V I A T H A N
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by pete4438 on May 13th, 2011, 10:50pm

R.I.P John!
Pete.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by DaveIsWaiting on May 17th, 2011, 08:44am

How do you do that?
You have to be working in/with the Government for years just to gain access and even so,you may not get to see specific areas of Area 51,like those under this topic.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Viperone on Jun 23rd, 2012, 3:14pm

Americas closely covered secrets, what secrets idiots sell them before they get off the drawing board. If the United had anything resembling a UFO< which they do> Grummin/Northrup drone. Just like the F117 secret for 10 years before admitting to stealth aircraft in 1988. The B1.B1B, B2 all will get used in daylight so they are out of the bag. UFOs would be the same you would see them the propaganda effect alone would be worth it. Then you have all these cameras around area 51 all owned by lookyloos communists and Iranians showing buses tampering with motion sensors then make a videos of it for hits on youtube. All this can benfit our enemys and last I heard Area51 in in the UNITED STATES and all this crap can harm americans by someones weird ideas of disclosure or sensationbly of the video and who buys it.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by drwu23 on Jun 24th, 2012, 11:23pm

Why don't we invite Mr Bob Lazar to the forum...I'm sure he could fill us in about all the goings on there.



grin

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Mythos on Jun 25th, 2012, 01:27am

on Jun 24th, 2012, 11:23pm, drwu23 wrote:
Why don't we invite Mr Bob Lazar to the forum...I'm sure he could fill us in about all the goings on there.
grin


Or Bob would say "Buy my book, it's all in there..."
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Viperone on Jun 27th, 2012, 3:09pm

on Apr 16th, 2011, 10:44pm, ciknay547 wrote:
Dont get shot.


Getting shot would be far easier that the court room loop you would be in. You would lose your car your camera and be looking at 10 years for attacking a US security area, this would qualify you for terorrism possibilities under new laws. Be aware even your job could be in jeapority especially you worked for a government funded company. Then you gotta think those dudes can call in troops and napalm, it is a test range and they have armed react aircraft on call with helicopter react teams to make your day real bad. I would bet a 100 bucks that you would go missing and benefit feeding coyotes. All in all last I heard they are americans working for a living and the security gaurds aint shot no one all day. I would say go ahead sounds like its well thought out but will me all your belongings. You wont be home for a long time.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Viperone on Jun 27th, 2012, 3:12pm

on Jun 24th, 2012, 11:23pm, drwu23 wrote:
Why don't we invite Mr Bob Lazar to the forum...I'm sure he could fill us in about all the goings on there.

He's being held captive at area51, he got convicted he cant go anywhere near Area51. He gets life at S4 hehe



grin

Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Viperone on Jun 27th, 2012, 3:46pm

on Aug 23rd, 2009, 11:55pm, Christian wrote:
It would be interesting to camp near area 51 to see if anything happens.


Cammo dudes might wanna peek in on ya and booby trap your cars 15 mile walkout. The camo dudes would love it.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Viperone on Jun 27th, 2012, 3:55pm

on Jan 16th, 2011, 6:22pm, john12345 wrote:
here is a good read from nbclosangeles
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/How-to-Find-UFOs-with-Google-Maps-113777984.html


You know that any satillite photos are released by the military and dont nessasarly havta to be untouched,you think they wouldnt add little funnys to make the conspiry therorists jump up and down. Heck I would fake UFOs all over area51. The military controls the satilites and the content that they show. Dont think for a second they dont know whats there added or deleted.
Re: Area 51, What are her secrets?
Post by Viperone on Jul 9th, 2012, 2:25pm

The SDI project had lots of offshoots. The lazer 747, Patriot anti-missle system , aram missle interdiction system. What threw all this into a frenzy was something the french did in 1989. They used a type of EMP pulse that blinded half a carrier fleets radar. At this time the radar units went to smaller higher frequency radars and fixed array radars AGESIS systems. I always wondered what was in the closet. Some of this stuff is at Aera 51. The Lazer 747 was at boeing field in seattle for years and it now at edwards AFB, it works....
Area 51 I'm one of its secrets
Post by CowanDawson on Mar 14th, 2013, 6:11pm

My Father began working for area 51 in 1955. I was born in 1965. He couldn't concieve children until he worked at the base.
Re: Area 51 I'm one of its secrets
Post by purr on Mar 15th, 2013, 12:18pm

on Mar 14th, 2013, 6:11pm, CowanDawson wrote:
My Father began working for area 51 in 1955. I was born in 1965. He couldn't concieve children until he worked at the base.


Now that WOULD be amazing indeed, CowanDawson. Be very welcome to UFO Casebook by the way! Maybe you meant something different?

smiley

purr