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xx Chemtrails over Derbyshire (update)
« Thread started on: Jun 20th, 2008, 2:45pm »

More chem trails over Derbyshire. I have seen quite a few chem trails being sprayed over Derbyshire over the last few weeks. I have been very busy with other things so I have not reported them. But this does not mean they have gone unnoticed. To night I took this photo at around 6pm. Again the blue sky has been covered and there is a typical crossing of trails seen when the spraying is done.

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« Reply #1 on: Jul 28th, 2008, 07:26am »

Hi Vinya12, I took the following picture of contrails over Buxton, Derbyshire, during a visit there in Feb this year, and posted it amongst a series of others in my "Chemtrails / Contrails Analysis" thread.

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Can you tell me what the difference is, between the trails in your picture, and the ones in mine?

I can assure you, both pictures just show ordinary contrails.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 28th, 2008, 08:47am »

How is it you can 'assure' us? smiley Trust doesn't come cheap my friend grin
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 28th, 2008, 09:58am »

Hi Nephilm,

It's already been explained in both my analysis thread and in some other threads. There is an ENORMOUS number of contrail pictures posted all over the internet, claimed to be chemtrails, which are obscuring the real chemtrails that I have no doubt do sometimes occur, for whatever reason.

I posted this link, from airliners.net, elsewhere but every one of these pictures is of contrails, posted by aviation enthusiasts, pilots engineers etc:

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« Reply #4 on: Jul 28th, 2008, 11:03am »

The reason I believe theses to be chemtrails is that theses trails in my photos only acurs from time to time not every day, despite the fact that planes are flying every day over my house. Every few weeks we get a Sudan trail invasion of the sky. The trails come thick and fast and spread out slowly over the sky an till a blue sky is lost to the trails. They seem to be painting over the blue sky in criss cross patterns an till you can see no more sky. If theses were normal contrails i would see it all the time and I don't think normal planes would be aloud to crowd in to this air space blocking out the sky the way chem rails do. I know that weather can make a difference to how we see the trails. But not this much. When normal planes are flying over they leave trails, but the trails don't last very long,don't spread out, and never completely block out the sky. I love theses days. Watching a normal plane is a relief as I know the blue sky will still be there when they have gone. But to watch plane after plane spray the sky till the blue sky is gone is upsetting. This is not normal . I know you don't believe it. But for all I know you could be flying the planes and get paid to persuade people like me to think it normal. Yes I know that sounds far fetched, but from what I have seen nothing is over the top.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 28th, 2008, 2:35pm »

Yes, but that is precisely it! The trails DO sometimes appear as in both our pictures, and sometimes not. Atmospheric conditions can (and frequently do,) vary from day to day and even at different times of day.

The trails you have posted in your picture are exactly the same as I have seen, quite routinely, many, many times. They criss-cross because the sky is very crowded above the UK and there are aircraft flying in different directions, at varying altitudes above 25,000 ft, all day long, especially where you live in the Midlands, and where I live, near Heathrow.

I think I mentioned this in another thread, but if you can aquire a radio, (such as plane spotters use) and also a pair of binoculars for identification, to pick up transmissions between aircraft / Air Traffic Control, you could get an idea of which aircraft are flying at below 25,000 ft (below which contrails cannot normally be made.)

Real chemtrails, on all the information I have read, are usually created by planes flying at below FL160 (16,000 ft.) If you listen on the radio the FL (Flight Level) code is usually how the altitude is given.

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 17th, 2008, 5:26pm »

last friday 15th, more chemtrails right over my house . theses planes were not on the normal flight path.

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 24th, 2010, 01:07am »

on Aug 17th, 2008, 5:26pm, vinya12 wrote:
last friday 15th, more chemtrails contrails right over my house . theses planes were not on the normal flight path.

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Fixed your post there for you mate tongue
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 24th, 2010, 3:30pm »

Vinya12,

Sorry mate, those are just normal contrails. As are most of the pictures posted.

Planes often do not follow the airways. There can be many reasons for this, and if the 'open skies' policy comes into being, which I for one don't like the sound of, then you will see more of this.

On occasion you can actually watch a plane start to produce vapour trails as it changes height.

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 24th, 2010, 8:09pm »

It's pretty simple Vinya12, jet exhaust does this at sixty below zero. Just like your breath does in freezing air.

If actual chemtrails appear, they would need to be at oxygen levels (below 10,000 feet). Above that and any ulterior motives would probably be negated due to adverse chemical reactions.

And there is no such thing as a normal flight pattern. Flight pattern is determined by the pilot when they file their flight plan.

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« Reply #10 on: Nov 26th, 2010, 1:22pm »

....And there is no such thing as a normal flight pattern. Flight pattern is determined by the pilot when they file their flight plan....

Not quite. They present a plan that goes from recognized points, usually VORs to other recognized points along the air ways. The kind of planes that deviate from this generally flight well below the contrail producing levels.

Pilots are not free to roam the skies where they wish. That would result in chaos. Which I why I don't fancy the 'open skies' approach.

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« Reply #11 on: Nov 26th, 2010, 8:46pm »

Well yeah, but I think you know what I meant. Maybe I should have added so long as the plan follows a logical course to completion? You will never see nice orderly straight lines side by side up there anyway.

One other thing I forgot to mention. Jets aren't the only planes that make contrails. But you know this. I think others might not, that's all. Somewhere in this area is where all this suspicion about chemtrails comes from isn't it?

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 27th, 2010, 07:04am »

Icepick,

The thing that puzzles me about this 'chemtrail' business is why do people think that someone is 'spraying' chemicals over them from a great height ?

To me, it verges on paranoia.

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« Reply #13 on: Nov 28th, 2010, 12:59am »

Of course it does. And the reason is obvious. Somewhere along the line, somebody got this started. It's not going to go away either.

What gets me more is why would somebody get their thrills starting rumors to scare people?

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xx Re: Chemtrails over Derbyshire (update)
« Reply #14 on: Nov 28th, 2010, 08:31am »

on Nov 28th, 2010, 12:59am, icepick wrote:
Of course it does. And the reason is obvious. Somewhere along the line, somebody got this started. It's not going to go away either.

What gets me more is why would somebody get their thrills starting rumors to scare people?

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Tim,

Call it what you will, when the sky gets "painted" in my area, the weather changes almost immediately. It clouds up and rains, even when no rain was in the forecast and the sky was clear and blue beforehand. Fact. This happens in warm weather, cold weather, and all in-betweens! I've seen it occur too many times to not recognize the pattern. Chemtrails DO exist, and it would be nice to know what the hell the government (or ??) is putting in our air that alters weather patterns. My guess is it isn't anything too healthy for us.

Those who wish to believe it's nothing but innocent contrails are free to do so, but there has been more than ample evidence to the contrary.
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