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This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond a joke now
Post by Smersh on Aug 11th, 2014, 06:30am

For some while now, I haven't bothered to post in any of these chemtrail / geoengineering threads because I thought they were harmless and it's a waste of time - if some people wish to carry on with the delusion that thousands of planes are flying all over world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals, and post millions of words in forums, blogs and social media etc about it, just let them get on with it as they are not doing anyone else any harm and I've got better things to do.

However, I have recently discovered that this is not entirely harmless after all, because for for several years now, a number of the more extreme nutters out there have been threatening to try to bring down commercial passenger planes (which of course, they believe to be evil gubbmint “chemtrail” planes) by blinding pilots with lasers and so on and have also made threats of violence against pilots at airports.

Many of these threats have been reported to the FBI, Homeland Security and other security organisations around the world, and posts of these threats on Facebook etc have been getting recorded at Metabunk since 2011, and are still appearing there now.

For example, here's one that was posted on Facebook only a few days ago. I have redacted the name, but rest assured it has been reported to the FBI:

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angry angry angry rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by INT21 on Aug 11th, 2014, 06:42am

Smersh,

Got to agree with you.

Sadly there are folks on this site that actually believe this stuff.

I have been on a plane (over Italy on my way back from Greece) that was illuminated by a green laser.

The whole interior of the plane was lit up with a green glow.

As I was at a window seat I could see that it originated from a yard right below us.

It did cross my mind that it would have been more of a hazard if the plane had been on it's final approach.

HAL
INT21
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Aug 11th, 2014, 06:57am

Hi Hal, yes, that must have been a pretty scary experience. Unfortunately, even though they are illegal in many countries, these high powered lasers are easily available on eBay and many other places online.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Sysconfig on Aug 11th, 2014, 10:26am

Takem down Dano! wink
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by LoneGunMan on Aug 11th, 2014, 11:07am

You do that here in the States (use lasers on aircraft) you're going to jail for a long time! They don't care what your reason is your going to the barred city!

Lone
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Aug 11th, 2014, 4:25pm

on Aug 11th, 2014, 06:42am, INT21 wrote:
Sadly there are folks on this site that actually believe this stuff.

I HAL
INT21


I want their names.

wink
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Aug 11th, 2014, 6:11pm

Here's a few comments from morons posted in the comments yesterday, on a Youtube video (I think it was on an upload of "What in the World Are They Spraying.")

See posts 1253 and 1254 in the Metabunk thread on this page:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/advocating-violence-against-chemtrail-planes-pilots-scientists-and-debunkers.251/page-32#post-120782

rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Jul 31st, 2015, 09:24am

I have just reported this idiot to the FBI:

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/ChemtrailHypernetwork/permalink/1019876068023223/?comment_id=1019893084688188&offset=0&total_comments=7&comment_tracking=%7B

Might help if a few more can report it as well:

https://tips.fbi.gov

Cheers guys.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by dave54 on Sep 17th, 2015, 12:45pm

on Aug 11th, 2014, 11:07am, LoneGunMan wrote:
You do that here in the States (use lasers on aircraft) you're going to jail for a long time! They don't care what your reason is your going to the barred city!

Lone


Under the Patriot Act you could be charged with terrorism, which means 25 to life in a federal penitentiary. If you are not a citizen (temp visa, for example) -- GITMO!
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Sep 17th, 2015, 2:09pm

The chemtrail conspiracy thing has always been a joke imho.
It's right there with the Princess Diana and Moon landing conspiracy nonsense....and let's not forget the Reptilian alien thing as world leaders.

rolleyes
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by dave54 on Sep 18th, 2015, 6:06pm

on Sep 17th, 2015, 2:09pm, drwu23 wrote:
The chemtrail conspiracy thing has always been a joke imho.
It's right there with the Princess Diana and Moon landing conspiracy nonsense....and let's not forget the Reptilian alien thing as world leaders.

rolleyes


WHAThuh?? Major cognitive dissonance here! Next you'll be telling me Elvis, Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa, and JFK are not living at the secret UFO base in the Bermuda Triangle. shocked
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 3rd, 2015, 8:43pm

You fools,Don't you ever look ^,There is waaay too much evidence.
The sky everyone takes for granted is seldomly looked has changed drastically.
In the Spring,Do you not see the criss -cross of the jets as they fly across the heavens?
I have videoed this.
There are pilots which have come publicly and stated,"We have polluted the Earth and our US government has allowed this".
Do some research,you'll find so much.
It may change your mind.
Look ^^^^^^.....


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 7th, 2015, 4:45pm

on Dec 3rd, 2015, 8:43pm, jm57 wrote:
You fools,Don't you ever look ^,There is waaay too much evidence.


No there isn't. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Crank claims by scammers promoting the chemtrail hoax, out to con people out of their hard-earned cash and parroted all over the place by their gullible followers does not constitute evidence.

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The sky everyone takes for granted is seldomly looked has changed drastically.


Apart from there being far more contrails in the sky these days, because far more planes are flying, the sky has not changed at all.

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In the Spring,Do you not see the criss -cross of the jets as they fly across the heavens?


Yes, of course they criss-cross. Planes don't all fly in the same direction do they? Depends on where they are coming from and where they are going.

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There are pilots which have come publicly and stated,"We have polluted the Earth and our US government has allowed this".


The only ones I've ever seen are from liars who pretend they have done this so they can have a laugh. And they have all been exposed as such as well.

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Do some research,you'll find so much.


I've done my research thanks, which is how I know chemtrails are an internet hoax. Have you done yours?

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Here's how contrails are formed, whether persistant or not. If the atmosphere at that altitude is ice-supersaturated, the trails will persist and spread wide, just like normal clouds do because they both consist of just water vapour:

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And aside from the science, which does not support the chemtrail claims at all, how do you think it is possible for any aircraft to carry thousands of tons of chemicals to make miles long trails in the sky, weighing thousands of tons?

And how is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by GhostofEd on Dec 7th, 2015, 5:35pm

Probably a stupid question but has anyone collected samples from within a supposed chemtrail? Seems quite doable and sensible if one wants to prove their belief.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 7th, 2015, 7:02pm

on Dec 7th, 2015, 5:35pm, GhostofEd wrote:
Probably a stupid question but has anyone collected samples from within a supposed chemtrail? Seems quite doable and sensible if one wants to prove their belief.


Not so far, no. And in fact that's the one piece of evidence that the chemmies could collect (by all of them clubbing together to raise enough money to hire a plane and necessary equipment) to prove or disprove their claims once and for all. I guess they haven't bothered because once they've been shown to be wrong, that's the end of their fantasy and for the scammers, their gravy train of money.

That said, Michael J. Murphy (maker of the "What In The World Are They Spraying" film and its follow-ups) said he's planning to do just that for his next film. However, as he's planning to use a glider to attempt to collect a sample from a trail at 30,000 feet, it seems like his next film will never appear, but he's still happy to collect donations for it from his followers though ...
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 7th, 2015, 11:00pm

There is a very apparent denial with this response from you sir.
Damn,Your research smacks of governmental spoofing and BS.
Your research wreaks of total denial of truths in the skies above you.
Do you actually watch the skies?
Just above your head?
Step outside,Watch as they progress ,
Fanning and moving,Certain times of the year,there are NO "contrails"
Yet,between late December and into late February,
There are many,Then they subside,Momentarily
Just watch,It's all there,Right in front of your eyes.

Are you blind?
I'm aware of seasonal changes,BUT,When it Only happens specific days out of the year,
There must be an agenda going here.
Dig a little deeper,You may find more than what you spew.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by INT21 on Dec 8th, 2015, 07:05am

jm57,

Just what do you think is being sprayed over everyone ?

HAL
INT21

http://contrailscience.com/chemical-analysis-of-contrails

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chemtrails
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 8th, 2015, 10:26am

on Dec 7th, 2015, 11:00pm, jm57 wrote:
There is a very apparent denial with this response from you sir.
Damn,Your research smacks of governmental spoofing and BS.


Ah, you're playing the tired old loser's shill card then, instead of addressing my comment directly and explaining why it's wrong with science. Nobody who debunks the chemtrail hoax is being paid by anybody to do it - we all do it for nothing. Typical comment from a chemtrail believer, who has a highly inflated view of his/her own importance and thinks that governments are worried about the crank claims, when in fact, they are not in the slightest bit interested.

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Do you actually watch the skies?


Yes, since I'm an astronomy enthusiast I often look up at things. The difference is that when I look up in the daytime and see persistent contrails I see nothing unusual. Unlike yourself, who apparently thinks that by simply looking up they can determine exactly what's going on, just like people used to when they saw a solar eclipse and thought it was dragons eating the Sun.

How about going to the links given by HAL, namely:

on Dec 8th, 2015, 07:05am, INT21 wrote:
jm57,

Just what do you think is being sprayed over everyone ?

HAL
INT21

http://contrailscience.com/chemical-analysis-of-contrails

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chemtrails


And explaining with science why they are wrong? As for:

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Yet,between late December and into late February,
There are many,Then they subside,Momentarily
Just watch,It's all there,Right in front of your eyes.


Contrails can persist and spread wide at any time of the year. It depends on the atmospheric conditions at the altitude and location at which an aircraft is flying. Haven't you ever noticed that on days when there is a clear blue sky, not only are there no contrails but there are no clouds either? That's because clouds cannot form in those conditions either. Again, contrails are simply cirrus clouds themselves and created by the process shown in the diagram in my previous comment, ie:

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And if you are unable to explain with science why you think all that is wrong, how about explaining the horrendous logistical problems if the chemtrail claims were true, that I also mentioned? Namely:

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And how is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?


Thanks.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 8th, 2015, 6:41pm

Cosmophobia huh?
Crap site.
You sir are a paid shill which seems to devalue much evidence without doing much research.
If,and when you do some<research,don't be so lame and dismiss.
Let me know when the veil has been lifted from your eyes and brain,JM57,out.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by LoneGunMan on Dec 8th, 2015, 7:41pm

The only health conspiracy I believe has actual evidence is the fluoride controversy!
Chem-trails......Meh not so much!


Lone

You can't introduce to many additives into Jet-A and expect a 1.7 mil jet engine to keep you in the air! The only additive that is allowed is an anti-gel that keeps the fuel from solidifying in sub zero temps of altitude!
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 8th, 2015, 9:09pm

What about as the excaust leaves the combustion chamber?
It may be introduced then.




Please ,You nayasayers,Do More Research,On your Own.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by ZETAR on Dec 8th, 2015, 9:17pm

cool

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SHALOM...Z
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by INT21 on Dec 9th, 2015, 07:05am

jm57,

Has it ever, even for one fleeting moment, crossed your mind that you may be the one who is wrong ?

Seriously.

HAL
INT21
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Dec 9th, 2015, 4:07pm

on Dec 8th, 2015, 9:17pm, ZETAR wrote:
cool

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SHALOM...Z


I guess that bird didn't get the upgrade yet, maybe next year Z.


http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2014/10/26/chemtrails-confirmed-again-modern-jet-engines-incapable-of-producing-contrails/

plenty of links for you curious types.
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Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by GhostofEd on Dec 9th, 2015, 4:23pm

OK, I'll call and raise you:

Debunked: High Bypass Turbofans do not make Contrails [actually they make more]
Discussion in 'Contrails and Chemtrails' started by Mick West, Feb 26, 2014.
In a rather odd reversal of known science, the latest chemtrail theory is that modern high-bypass engines do not create contrails.

This can be easily debunked simply by a review of the scientific literature. The likelyhood that a particular engine will create a contrail is governed by the "contrail factor", and this is higher for high bypass engines - I encourage you to research this for yourself, and I give some links below.


Link:
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-high-bypass-turbofans-do-not-make-contrails-actually-they-make-more.t3187/


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Dec 9th, 2015, 4:56pm

I have been there ED Thanks,
Read the stuff from WWI and WWII,
looked at all the charts,
Mr West is a expert at what sir ?

My point is simple, what the science says is not what I have
been observing here in South Florida.
And Smersh knows this, I wish not to debate this,
some of the stuff is impossible to happen,
IE: arid warm air, cannot form what is being grouped together
as the same thing.
and
Almost all flights fly North to South and visa versa here in FL.
so double and triple Xs should never happen, 3 of my customers are pilots, and all of them confirmed the flight path, one says it's not normal, one says they spray "something" the other is skeptical,
I have also seen many flights in a row make tight turns and head back the way they started, as they leave the special whatever behind.

I have also seen many times, on and off trails, in a short span, so this means the plane is flying in and out of "perfect" conditions to form those pesky long term spreading trails, that seems unlikely to me,
but I'm crazy, to question all of this right ?
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Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Dec 9th, 2015, 5:07pm

One other thing ED,
if you think it's all normal or purposed,
it's fine by me,
but for certain no one can deny it does effect the sky and the weather,
what a awesome cover story A.
tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 9th, 2015, 5:37pm

https://zeekly.com/video/7962/chemtrails-exposed-nasa-scientist-admits-to-spraying-lithium-points-to-wallops-flight-facility-
Just take the time and please pay close attention to the audio.
What more do you need?
There is more elsewhere,If anyone has the cahoneys to do the unlazy thing and research on their own.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 9th, 2015, 7:30pm

No
You are not 'crazy'.
My wife has an aunt which lives in the Daytona Florida.
She says "the clouds come when the weatherman says there's gonna be a blue sky,why is the blue sky not coming?..I don't get it,the forecasters are so wrong ,yet they keep their jobs,I miss the blue in Florida".
She's 89 yrs old,Even she notices there's something amiss.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 9th, 2015, 10:47pm

What you say,Naysayers>?
Speak,Don't be lame asses.
Research it..
There is so much more there.
What have you found outside of my posts?
Chickin poops.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 10th, 2015, 07:55am

on Dec 9th, 2015, 5:37pm, jm57 wrote:
https://zeekly.com/video/7962/chemtrails-exposed-nasa-scientist-admits-to-spraying-lithium-points-to-wallops-flight-facility-
Just take the time and please pay close attention to the audio.
What more do you need?
There is more elsewhere,If anyone has the cahoneys to do the unlazy thing and research on their own.


Did you play close attention to the video and what was being said, or did you just fire an arrow at a barn door, then paint a target around it, in order to come to your conclusion?

He's not talking about the "chemtrails" that you claim are being sprayed, at the cruising altitude of commercial airliners, but a NASA experiment that's been going on for decades to study the winds at very high altitudes on the edge of space, using sounding rockets.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sounding-rockets/index.html

The rocket for this particular NASA experiment creates an invisible chemical trail of lithium, hence his use of the term "chemtrail."

But of course, because he used this term to describe the process being used for these experiments, ignorant conspiracy theorists immediately got all excited and making their usual wild claims. Just as they do when they post links to science articles they say proves their claims, when in fact the article shows them to be wrong, because all they have done is cherry pick some term or sentence in it, without bothering to read or trying to understand the rest of it.


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 10th, 2015, 08:22am

on Dec 9th, 2015, 4:56pm, MOKSHA wrote:
I have been there ED Thanks,
... And Smersh knows this, I wish not to debate this,
some of the stuff is impossible to happen,
IE: arid warm air, cannot form what is being grouped together
as the same thing ...


At what altitude is the arid warm air? Are you talking about ground level, or the 30,000 feet or so which is the cruising altitude of commercial airliners? No matter what the temperature is at ground level, the temperatures at that height are typically below -50 degrees C.

In fact, next time you are on a flight yourself and it has one of those seat-back video things, on which you can track the progress of your flight on a moving map, take note of the outside temperature that it usually gives as well.

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... Almost all flights fly North to South and visa versa here in FL.
so double and triple Xs should never happen ...


But they frequently DO happen, because of the instructions the pilots get from Air Traffic Control, about the routes they have to take to avoid mid-air collisions with other aircraft. For example, take a look at this live screen from Flight Radar 24 showing the flights around Orlando as they are right now. (If you look at this at night when there are not as many flights, take another look during daylight hours.)

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/SFB

In fact, if you have a smartphone, there is a Flight Radar 24 app you can download for it, which shows all the commercial aircraft currently above your head wherever you are at all times, and tells you what plane it is, which airline and flight number, what its altitude is, where it's coming from and where it's going etc etc.

Oh and MOKSHA, since jm57 hasn't answered it, because apparently the only argument he has is to use ad-homs and accuse people of being "paid shills," perhaps you can explain this, can you?

How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?

Thanks! wink


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Dec 10th, 2015, 08:27am

Quote:
How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?


Excellent question which I have asked many times over the years yet never have received a good answer.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by LoneGunMan on Dec 10th, 2015, 11:27am

Doc,
Not only that, but the thousands of A&P mechanics that must sign off on all inspections and repairs of planes! They know the schematics and blueprints of these planes.

Does anyone really believe that they wouldn't know about the extra plumbing and storage of these supposed dangerous substances being introduced into the planes and not report it?

These men and women go to jail if anything is wrong and it causes a crash!

During the many causes of crashes of aircraft has any investigator reported unknown tankage or substances? Are all these people in cahoots and refuse to report if anything like that was found?


Lone
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by ZETAR on Dec 10th, 2015, 1:49pm

cool

"Airline companies in America have been participating in something called >>> Project Cloverleaf <<< for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned."

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/airline-mechanic-turns-whistleblower/

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"One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem. When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the system had been changed. It had been 10 years since I had worked on one. As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on these systems. I happily turned the job over to him. As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to “worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his!” "

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"The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment!

I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft’s main power bus.

The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system. When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain."

BUT OF COURSE...

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SHALOM...Z
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Dec 10th, 2015, 2:36pm

^ You are of course aware that that is a web site that apparently endorses the spraying conspiracy....and of course we have no way of verifying anything that person is claiming....?


rolleyes
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Dec 10th, 2015, 3:09pm

Let me get very simplistic, for skeptics sake,
for a moment,
OK no disbursements needed, the science of contrails is well known to the ones, who set the margins, what height and temp and humidity,
so the only thing that is needed to alter the sky and weather, is
normal flying.
by literal definition weather modification, no need for the Jet poop.

I never said or bought into, "TOXIC CHEMS" suicide is for crazy people,
and that scenario, only fits one story.

research this guy and his friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZzrxugRsw

THANKS FOR YOUR POST Z
grin
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by INT21 on Dec 10th, 2015, 3:48pm

jm57,

When the weather man forecasts clear blue skies he means just that. Planes passing over head will make contrails regardless of the cloud cover; or lack of it.

I'm done with this subject, it is just plain silly.

HAL
INT21
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by ZETAR on Dec 10th, 2015, 4:23pm

HAL,

TO WIT:

"Planes passing over head will make contrails regardless of the cloud cover; or lack of it."

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@ MOKSHA

TO WIT:

"THANKS FOR YOUR POST Z" ~ UR MORE THAN WELCOME 'M'...

I EXPECT THOSE WHOM CAN'T NAME THE VICE PRESIDENT OR DEMAND 'SAFE ZONES/SPACES' TO BE CLUELESS ~ BUT NAIVE...TIS ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE INDEED...

TO WIT:

" I'm done with this subject, it is just plain silly."

HOW SILLY IS IT?

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Unethical human experimentation in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

"Unethical human experimentation in the United States describes numerous experiments performed on human test subjects in the United States that have been considered unethical, and were often performed illegally, without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects. Such tests have occurred throughout American history, but particularly in the 20th century.

The experiments include: the deliberate infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases, exposure of people to biological and chemical weapons, human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children,[1] the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities or prisoners.

Funding for many of the experiments was provided by United States government, especially the United States military, Central Intelligence Agency, or private corporations involved with military activities. The human research programs were usually highly secretive, and in many cases information about them was not released until many years after the studies had been performed."

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Revealed: Army scientists secretly sprayed St Louis with 'radioactive' particles for YEARS to test chemical warfare technology

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html

"The United States Military conducted top secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds, a researcher has claimed.

While it was known that the government sprayed 'harmless' zinc cadmium silfide particles over the general population in St Louis, Professor Lisa Martino-Taylor, a sociologist at St. Louis Community College, claims that a radioactive additive was also mixed with the compound.

She has accrued detailed descriptions as well as photographs of the spraying which exposed the unwitting public, predominantly in low-income and minority communities, to radioactive particles."

TO THINK SUCH DOESN'T OCCUR ~ WELL ~ SILLY grin

SHALOM...Z
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Dec 10th, 2015, 5:27pm

Silly indeed,

HAL's input, was good, but no longer, his desire.
Thanks 4 stopping by.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BonC-kZQiQ


maybe this person is also like me
crazy
tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 10th, 2015, 6:03pm

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/12/04/leaked-photos-of-chemtrail-spraying-system/
More,read it and see naysayers ,taste your tears yet?
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by INT21 on Dec 10th, 2015, 6:23pm

Radium 226 has a half life of 1,600 years. So any applied as in the article should still be readily detectable.

Also for further reading..

http://www.answers.com/Q/Who_were_the_Radium_Girls



But this doesn't answer the question of what is supposedly being sprayed today, and who is doing it ?

HAL
INT21
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by GhostofEd on Dec 10th, 2015, 7:05pm

I'd take this stuff more seriously when someone presents the chemical analysis of materials actually collected from a supposed chemtrail. Why is this data lacking? Fly a plane through the hundreds of chemtrails, collect samples in a proper manner, get analyzed in a reputable facility, by proper methods and present the results for critical review.
What am I missing here? And I'm not talking about the analysis of rain or other samples taken from the ground.

For such a widespread event according to those who support the chemtrails there appears to be no collection and analysis of the actual trails. Saying it's covered up is a cop out. grin

Edit to add: By proper analysis I mean that trace amounts of naturally occuring elements and by-products of jet fuel combustion are taken into account. I'm looking for the evidence of elements, their proportions and quantity that could only result from intentional addition to the materials introduced to the trail. Saying this is raising the bar or asking for too much is also a cop out IMO.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Dec 10th, 2015, 8:19pm

on Dec 10th, 2015, 7:05pm, GhostofEd wrote:
I'd take this stuff more seriously when someone presents the chemical analysis of materials actually collected from a supposed chemtrail. Why is this data lacking? Fly a plane through the hundreds of chemtrails, collect samples in a proper manner, get analyzed in a reputable facility, by proper methods and present the results for critical review.
What am I missing here? And I'm not talking about the analysis of rain or other samples taken from the ground.

For such a widespread event according to those who support the chemtrails there appears to be no collection and analysis of the actual trails. Saying it's covered up is a cop out. grin

Edit to add: By proper analysis I mean that trace amounts of naturally occuring elements and by-products of jet fuel combustion are taken into account. I'm looking for the evidence of elements, their proportions and quantity that could only result from intentional addition to the materials introduced to the trail. Saying this is raising the bar or asking for too much is also a cop out IMO.


That's funny,
ED,
cos I am in a position to do so, and have already done the work,
I am with HAL now this thread is too silly,
4
ME
to
B with anymore

goodbye
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 11th, 2015, 08:20am

Yet more bunk keeps being posted, without anyone here who claims that chemtrails are real addressing all the points in this thread that have already been raised, that show that the chemtrail claims are a hoax. So, since

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Here's a few links that debunk the additional bunk.

on Dec 10th, 2015, 1:49pm, ZETAR wrote:
cool

"Airline companies in America have been participating in something called >>> Project Cloverleaf <<< for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned."

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/airline-mechanic-turns-whistleblower/



"Project Cloverleaf" is yet another hoax invented by a serial hoaxer called A.C. Griffith (who also started the claim that "chemtrails contain barium.") Just add the word "debunked" to a search of "Project Cloverleaf" and many results come up. Here's all the ones from Metabunk:

http://tinyurl.com/oesbba3

As for Dane Wigington, the owner of the GeoEngineeringWatch dot org website, he constantly makes stuff up in order to increase his bank balance from all the donations etc he gets from his gullible followers. For example, this from Jay Reynolds, who has been studying and refuting the chemtrail hoax ever since it first started in the late 1990s and longer than anyone else:

https://www.metabunk.org/dane-wigington-inaccuracies-and-omissions.t2429/

Also this (please note that since this video was uploaded, Dane removed these images from his site - I wonder why?)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJj_X0wAvQs

on Dec 10th, 2015, 6:03pm, jm57 wrote:
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/12/04/leaked-photos-of-chemtrail-spraying-system/
More,read it and see naysayers ,taste your tears yet?


All those photos are of aircraft components that have nothing at all to do with "spraying chemtrails," but have been presented as such by somebody who either has no knowledge of aircraft technical systems or is deliberately lying. Explained here:

https://www.metabunk.org/exclusive-leaked-photos-of-chemtrail-dispersal-system.t2772/

And yet again, what would be great is if somebody could answer this please:

How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?


But since nobody has yet answered it, I guess that nobody can. tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Gort on Dec 11th, 2015, 11:55am

Airforce 1 dispersing Yobama BS nothing more.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Dec 11th, 2015, 6:16pm

The truly silly thing is You'all in GB.
A small nation with many surrounding ,
Do any of you actually look up after darkness and look at the sky for an extended period of time? I think not,Too busy on your internet of things to notice what is happening above.
Get the heck outta your mom and dads' basement reliance and really see what is ABOVE you.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 12th, 2015, 05:27am

on Dec 11th, 2015, 6:16pm, jm57 wrote:
...
Get the heck outta your mom and dads' basement reliance and really see what is ABOVE you.


Yes I've seen it many times. It's the sky.

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How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 12th, 2015, 12:04pm

The truly silly thing is You'all in GB.
Yo Jimbo..how do you know they are all in GB, besides Hal and Michael and Smersh....just curious on how you could tell..
I hear they like to gang up on Non Brits..where are you from..? smiley
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by ZETAR on Dec 12th, 2015, 8:05pm

HMMM...

TO WIT:

"How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?"

THAT IS INDEED AN EXCELLENT POINT!

WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT CASEBOOK CRYSTAL BALL...

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AT FIRST GLANCE ~ I SEE ~ I SEEEEEEEE ~ IT'S ALWAYS BENEFICIAL IF ONE CARRIES AROUND A PORTABLE GAS CHROMATOGRAH...ONE COULD FLY IN THE TAIL WIND OF A SUSPECT JET/PLANE AND SCOOP UP A SAMPLE AND SEE WHAT CHA GOT...wink

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KNOWING ~ HAL IS THE PICKY ONE ~ WE SHOULD FURTHER HAVE A MASS SPECTROMETER ~ FOR A SECOND ANALYSIS...

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BUT WAIT...

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IT SEEMS THAT MAN SAYS IT'S WORTHY OF REMINDING...

Revealed: Army scientists secretly sprayed St Louis with 'radioactive' particles for YEARS to test chemical warfare technology

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html

"The United States Military conducted top secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds, a researcher has claimed.

While it was known that the government sprayed 'harmless' zinc cadmium silfide particles over the general population in St Louis, Professor Lisa Martino-Taylor, a sociologist at St. Louis Community College, claims that a radioactive additive was also mixed with the compound.

She has accrued detailed descriptions as well as photographs of the spraying which exposed the unwitting public, predominantly in low-income and minority communities, to radioactive particles."

THE POINT BEING IS THAT CERTAIN ACTIONS ARE TAKEN WITHOUT THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS/KNOWLEDGE/CONSENT...AND THOSE INVLOVED >>> "who would know about it all keep quiet? <<< AND THEY SHHHHHHHHHH...

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I'M SURE IT'S A PURR-FECT MOMENT FOR...

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WE MAY HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ~ YET ~ PURR-SPECTIVE AS TO WHY ~ MAY BE PURR-SUASIVE ~ MAYBE NOT...

Project MKUltra—sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program—was the code name given to an illegal program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control. Organized through the Scientific Intelligence Division of the CIA, the project coordinated with the Special Operations Division of the U.S. Army's Chemical Corps.[1] The program began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967 and officially halted in 1973.[2] The program engaged in many illegal activities;[3][4][5] in particular it used unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy.[3](p74)[6][7][8] MKUltra used numerous methodologies to manipulate people's mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis,[9] sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture.[not verified in body]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

THEY KEPT IT QUIET...

The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (/tʌsˈkiːɡiː/)[1] was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service to study the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama. They were told that they were receiving free health care from the U.S. government.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

The 40-year study was controversial for reasons related to ethical standards, primarily because researchers knowingly failed to treat patients appropriately after the 1940s validation of penicillin as an effective cure for the disease they were studying. Revelation in 1972 of study failures by a whistleblower led to major changes in U.S. law and regulation on the protection of participants in clinical studies. Now studies require informed consent [3] communication of diagnosis, and accurate reporting of test results.[4]

THEY KEPT IT QUIET

"The government admitted in 1994 that it used St. Louis as a testing ground because its architecture and climate were similar to cities in the Soviet Union. But it never revealed anything publicly about irradiated materials. Instead the Army claimed that the tests had been experiments to see if smoke clouds could be created to hide American cities from Soviet attacks. In reality, the military was testing offensive measures, not defensive. The tests, among other goals, were meant to discover “the penetration of the aerosol cloud into residences at various distances from the aerosol disperser, and to determine whether there is any residual background or lingering effect of the cloud within buildings.”

http://www.allgov.com/news/us-and-the-world/did-us-military-secretly-aerial-spray-st-louis-with-radioactive-chemicals?news=845890

"Martino-Taylor uncovered the information while working on her doctor of philosophy dissertation for the University of Missouri-Columbia, which studied how “ethical lapses” can allow members of a large organization to ignore the harm they are doing to innocent and unwitting people. In the course of her research, she obtained Army documents through the Freedom of Information Act."

OH THOSE >>> “ethical lapses” <<<

THEY KEPT IT QUIET...

OH WELL...WE'RE ON A UFO FORUM ~ SPECULATING ON WHAT IS ~ WHAT ISN'T ~ WHAT MIGHT BE ~ BASED ON >>> SOLID <<< FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE ~ AND SURELY ~ OUT OF THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ~ MILITARY ~ GUBMINT ~ CIVILIAN ~ AND ~ >>> “ethical lapses” OR " who would know about it all keep quiet?"

THEY KEPT IT QUIET...

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SOOOOO ~ WHEN ONE LOOKS AT THE CASEBOOK CRYSTAL BALL...ONE NEVER KNOWS WHAT MIGHT COME NEXT!

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SHALOM...Z

EDIT TO ADD:

AS HAL PUTS IT...HE ADORES SEEING PEOPLE THINK ~ KINDA FIGURED CAROL WOULD LIKE THIS ONE...grin

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Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Dec 13th, 2015, 10:21am

on Dec 12th, 2015, 05:27am, Smersh wrote:
How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?


As I mentioned before I have asked similar questions many times and never received a satisfactory answer to that. It's like the moronic Moon Hoax in saying that all those involved (thousands at NASA ) have kept quiet or were fooled also.....right. rolleyes

The simple truth is that 'weather modification' related tests have been around for a long time going back decades and it's no conspiracy.
But that's not what the chemtrail wackos are referring to. They think some kind of brainwashing drug or other evil chemical is being sprayed on the public for some nefarious reason that only the Illuminati and their cabal partners know.
Sadly this is not the case and as you pointed out we would have known a long time ago. And comparing this to other so-called secret testing (which has no relevance at all) is about as useful as a screen door in a submarine.
Where is the tested particulate matter? Where are the whistle blowers..? Where is the evidence people are being infected or brainwashed..? Where is anything that points to this?
You won't find anything except junk on conspiracy web sites.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 15th, 2015, 11:54am

Hi ZETAR. wink

You posted several links to an (unconfirmed) individual experiment by the US government and it's true that govts have done some nasty things in the past. Here's another:

Millions were in germ war tests

But that's not the same thing as thousands of planes routinely flying all over the word 24/7 spraying toxic chemicals over themselves. And in any case, what would be the use of spraying from 30,000 ft? It would all disperse in the prevailing winds and be spread over hundreds or thousands of square miles and be completely ineffective by the time it reached the ground. It would be like trying to kill a mosquito by using fly spray on it from the other side of a football stadium, which is why crop spraying and aerial firefighting etc is done from heights of only a few hundred feet at most.

How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?


on Dec 13th, 2015, 10:21am, drwu23 wrote:
As I mentioned before I have asked similar questions many times and never received a satisfactory answer to that ...


Me too Doc. And not just here, but in many Facebook threads lately. Especially on weather pages in threads posted by meteorologists, when they get invaded by the chemtrail lovers accusing him or her of "lying" etc, and they present no evidence whatsoever to back it up because there isn't any. But as you said, nobody ever provides a satisfactory answer. (If they attempt to answer it at all.)

Russ Tanner is the owner of Chemtrails Global Skywatch, the biggest chemtrail group on Facebook, in which lots of people post photos of clouds and parrot the chemtrail claims constantly. Russ makes a pretty good income on the websites he owns from peddling various "cures" that he claims will cure "ailments caused by chemtrail spraying."

Here's the "answer" he gave on his main website to that logistics question. (Make sure you are wearing an extra layer of tinfoil when reading this) ...

Aren't They Spraying Themselves?

(It's cuz of special filtration equipment, The Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Lucifer, Satan, The Holy Ghost, stuff like that ...)
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by ZETAR on Dec 15th, 2015, 2:21pm

SMERSH,

TO WIT:

"it's true that govts have done some nasty things in the past"

THAT ESSENTIALLY WAS MY POINT ~ OR RATHER ~ >>> PREDISPOSED <<< TO SUCH...

predispose

verb pre·dis·pose \ˌlaughrē-di-ˈspōz\

: to cause (someone) to be more likely to behave in a particular way or to be affected by a particular condition


"But that's not the same thing as thousands of planes routinely flying all over the word 24/7 spraying toxic chemicals over themselves."

I INDEED AGREE ~ I'M NOT SAYING EVERY CONTRAIL IS A CHEMTRAIL ~ AND CLEARLY VICE-VERSA ~ I LEAN TOWARD >>> Dr. Kirkby’s 2009 CERN Aerosol Alien Biologypresentation makes it clear that IPCC climate scientists, Geoengineers and government agencies are fully aware that jet aircraft are dumping aerosols into the atmosphere with the effect of deliberate and covert climate manipulation <<< ~ TEMPERED WITH THE PREDISPOSITION THAT >>> even Dr. Kirkby may not be aware that these aerosols contain much more than chemicals for climate manipulation. <<<

I ALWAYS KEEP MY TIN FOIL HATS READY grin

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AND HAVING BEEN A MEMBER AT 'OMF' ~ I ALWAYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND wink

SHALOM...Z
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 15th, 2015, 5:07pm

on Dec 15th, 2015, 2:21pm, ZETAR wrote:
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I INDEED AGREE ~ I'M NOT SAYING EVERY CONTRAIL IS A CHEMTRAIL ~ AND CLEARLY VICE-VERSA ~ I LEAN TOWARD >>> Dr. Kirkby’s 2009 CERN Aerosol Alien Biologypresentation makes it clear that IPCC climate scientists, Geoengineers and government agencies are fully aware that jet aircraft are dumping aerosols into the atmosphere with the effect of deliberate and covert climate manipulation <<< ~ TEMPERED WITH THE PREDISPOSITION THAT >>> even Dr. Kirkby may not be aware that these aerosols contain much more than chemicals for climate manipulation. <<< ...


Except that's what the conspiracy theorists' interpretation of that 2009 presentation was, because the term "aerosols" was used and (to them) "therefore something that has been sprayed." Aerosols are anything that floats about in the air, including water droplets. Clouds are aerosols. What Dr. Kirby was talking about was contrails started off by jet engine exhausts, consisting of ice crystals and (to begin with) some soot.

So the statement by Dr. Kirby that "these are clouds seeded by jets dumping aerosols into the upper atmosphere" is correct. Again, as per this diagram:

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The contrails are a by-product of the enormous worldwide demand for air travel and the only way to stop them completely would be to ground all aircraft worldwide.

As far as geoengineering is concerned, various proposals have been put forward of possible methods of combating global warming, none of which are actually happening yet and possibly never will. If it happens, it will be in the stratosphere at altitudes of 60,000 to 80,000 feet (unlike the claim that it's being done right now by commercial airliners at 30,000 feet or so) and you won't even be able to see it.

Another thing you have to remember is that clouds are very heavy. A contrail stretching for miles and spreading wide will weigh thousands of tons and there is no aircraft in existence that can take off with a payload of more than a few hundred tons at the very most.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Dec 16th, 2015, 4:45pm

on Dec 15th, 2015, 11:54am, Smersh wrote:
Me too Doc. And not just here, but in many Facebook threads lately. Especially on weather pages in threads posted by meteorologists, when they get invaded by the chemtrail lovers accusing him or her of "lying" etc, and they present no evidence whatsoever to back it up because there isn't any. But as you said, nobody ever provides a satisfactory answer. (If they attempt to answer it at all.)

Russ Tanner is the owner of Chemtrails Global Skywatch, the biggest chemtrail group on Facebook, in which lots of people post photos of clouds and parrot the chemtrail claims constantly. Russ makes a pretty good income on the websites he owns from peddling various "cures" that he claims will cure "ailments caused by chemtrail spraying."

Here's the "answer" he gave on his main website to that logistics question. (Make sure you are wearing an extra layer of tinfoil when reading this) ...

Aren't They Spraying Themselves?

(It's cuz of special filtration equipment, The Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Lucifer, Satan, The Holy Ghost, stuff like that ...)


OMG...I read that link....bat s**t crazy comes to mind when reading his 'explanation'.
And these kind of people are actually allowed to vote and hold public jobs.
grin
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Gort on Dec 16th, 2015, 4:59pm

[size=2][size=2][size=2][size=2]on Dec 16th, 2015, 4:45pm, drwu23 wrote:
OMG...I read that link....bat s**t crazy comes to mind when reading his 'explanation'.
And these kind of people are actually allowed to vote and hold public jobs grin


And they all be Democrats


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Dec 16th, 2015, 5:09pm

on Dec 16th, 2015, 4:59pm, Gort wrote:
[size=2][size=2][size=2][size=2]

And they all be Democrats



Ah,,,the jokes on you good man since more Republicans
believe in conspiracy theories than do Democrats.
But never fear The Trump is allegedly neither.
grin
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Gort on Dec 16th, 2015, 5:30pm

on Dec 16th, 2015, 5:09pm, drwu23 wrote:
Ah,,,the jokes on you good man since more Republicans
believe in conspiracy theories than do Democrats.
But never fear The Trump is allegedly neither.
grin


Did you pull that tidbit of information out of your butt?

Or is it just more of your standard bs.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Dec 16th, 2015, 6:55pm

on Dec 16th, 2015, 5:30pm, Gort wrote:
Did you pull that tidbit of information out of your butt?

Or is it just more of your standard bs.


And you would know bs...that's for sure. laugh
Look it up.....if that's not too difficult for you.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by ZETAR on Dec 16th, 2015, 7:11pm

GENTLEMEN grin

I PEEPED EARLIER TO GET A PEEK AS TO WHICH WAY THIS WAS GOING ~ OF COURSE I FIGURED I WOULD LET IT PLAY OUT ~ SO 'YUZE GUYS' CAN GET THAT >>> BS ~ BROAD SWATH <<< OF ONES SHOULDERS ~ grin

>>> PLAY NICE wink <<<

THERE IS ENOUGH SAND IN THE BOX FOR EVERYBODY...

HOWEVER, HAL REQUESTED HIS ROCK TO BE ROLLED IN PLACE...DUE TO THE CRISP BREEZE FROM CASEBOOK grin

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BUT...WE ALL KNOW HE'S A >>> PEEKIN <<< TOO!

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SHALOM...Z
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Sys_Config on Dec 20th, 2015, 12:20am

well...that was a lively discussion..

but..what about this anomaly?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3364867/Aircraft-contrails-unintentionally-changing-atmosphere-warming-planet-researchers-warn.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/17/21/2F782B4900000578-3364867-image-a-34_1450387279970.jpg
it's extremely cold high in the atmosphere and these particles serve as nuclei for ice crystals, which form the bright contrails seen flowing behind a plane.

Some of these contrails have been found to contribute to climate change, according to other scientists.

A contrail may disappear, but it leaves behind a thin, icy haze.

Although the sky looks clear, the particles are still there until they eventually fall out of the atmosphere.

While still in the sky, the particles scatter the sun's light in a similar way as in other geoengineering projects.

'It seems quite possible that [Long is] seeing something that's real,' said Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research. But there's a lot more work that needs to be done to verify the find and make a connection to the climate.

Skies aren't clear all the time, and why they are clear one day and not the next could matter.

'The reason for the clear sky is a factor [Long] needs to explore more,' Trenbeth says.

Long has admitted that his study creates far more questions than it does answers.

Currently, he has only gathered serious data from only one spot in Oklahoma and there could be less sky whitening in places that don't get as much air traffic.


he phenomenon occurs when aircraft fly above 25,000ft, where the air temperature is around minus 86F.

This causes water vapor emitted by the engines to crystallze and form the familiar white streaks across the sky, known as contrails.

These can be short-lived.

But if there is already a significant amount of moisture in the atmosphere they can linger for hours, as the excess water vapor from the engines tips the surrounding air past its saturation point.

This acts as a catalyst to speed up the natural process of cloud formation.

Cirrus clouds – the wisp-like formations seen at high altitude – begin to form around the contrails.

Scientists say these grow into thin layers of cloud and can cover up to an astonishing 20,000 square miles of sky

The level of moisture in the air at high altitudes is unrelated to weather conditions at ground level, which is why it is possible to see contrails on a clear day.

Reading University's Professor Keith Shine, an expert in clouds, said that those formed by aircraft fumes could linger 'for hours', depriving those areas under busy flight paths of summer sunshine.

Experts have warned that, as a result, the amount of sunlight hitting the ground could be reduced by as much as 10 percent.


just sayin wink
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 20th, 2015, 2:45pm

SysConfig - From article you posted:

Quote:
... Experts have warned that, as a result, the amount of sunlight hitting the ground could be reduced by as much as 10 percent.


Sunlight is reduced, but global warming is actually worsened by cloud cover. There are far more contrails in the sky now than say, 20 or 30 years ago because of the huge increase in the demand for worldwide air travel and lots more planes flying. Also because of the wide use of high bypass turbofan engines, which create more contrails than older types of engines (although chemtrail conspiracy sites such as Russ Tanner's Global Skywatch wrongly claim that they produce no contrails at all.)

Here's an article with a possible way of planes creating less contrails, but it involves planes flying further on less direct routes (and therefore costing more in fuel) in order to avoid the areas of very cold temperatures and high humidity in which the most persistent trails are formed, known as "ice supersaturated."

http://www.popsci.com/article/science/flying-further-avoid-contrails-might-help-global-warming
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Lawdzilla on Dec 22nd, 2015, 04:34am

on Dec 7th, 2015, 4:45pm, Smersh wrote:
No there isn't. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Crank claims by scammers promoting the chemtrail hoax, out to con people out of their hard-earned cash and parroted all over the place by their gullible followers does not constitute evidence.



Apart from there being far more contrails in the sky these days, because far more planes are flying, the sky has not changed at all.



Yes, of course they criss-cross. Planes don't all fly in the same direction do they? Depends on where they are coming from and where they are going.



The only ones I've ever seen are from liars who pretend they have done this so they can have a laugh. And they have all been exposed as such as well.



I've done my research thanks, which is how I know chemtrails are an internet hoax. Have you done yours?

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Here's how contrails are formed, whether persistant or not. If the atmosphere at that altitude is ice-supersaturated, the trails will persist and spread wide, just like normal clouds do because they both consist of just water vapour:

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And aside from the science, which does not support the chemtrail claims at all, how do you think it is possible for any aircraft to carry thousands of tons of chemicals to make miles long trails in the sky, weighing thousands of tons?

And how is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?


Glad to see I am not the only one that thinks this crap is a hoax. Great post!
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Dec 22nd, 2015, 2:12pm

Thanks Wingnut.

You're far from being the only one who thinks it's a hoax (out of those who have seen all the crackpot claims on the internet that is. Most people in the world are probably not even aware of it and have never given it a thought.)

Unfortunately though, there are some who have completely fallen for the hoax and they in my opinion tend to be people in rich countries where they have relatively little to worry about, so they just imagine things. People in Third World countries have REAL things to worry about, such as where the next meal is coming from or will they be overrun by extremists such as Daesh, etc ...
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Lawdzilla on Dec 23rd, 2015, 05:17am

on Dec 22nd, 2015, 2:12pm, Smersh wrote:
Thanks Wingnut.

You're far from being the only one who thinks it's a hoax (out of those who have seen all the crackpot claims on the internet that is. Most people in the world are probably not even aware of it and have never given it a thought.)

Unfortunately though, there are some who have completely fallen for the hoax and they in my opinion tend to be people in rich countries where they have relatively little to worry about, so they just imagine things. People in Third World countries have REAL things to worry about, such as where the next meal is coming from or will they be overrun by extremists such as Daesh, etc ...


Quote:
People in Third World countries have REAL things to worry about, such as where the next meal is coming from or will they be overrun by extremists such as Daesh, etc ...


I can identify with the Third World country scenario I spent some time in a Third World country and its not pretty.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by dave54 on Dec 25th, 2015, 6:09pm

Everyone has seen the red white and blue stripes at air shows, from jets flying in formation. In that case special dyes are added to the fuel. The dyes are specially formulated not to harm jet engines and are not toxic.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Jan 17th, 2016, 6:24pm

https://happytailswag.wordpress.com/2015/12/27/busted-top-climate-scientist-confirms-covert-climate-engineering-a-fact/

Just pay a bit of attention and absorb ...

Tap the 'Source'


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by ZETAR on Jan 17th, 2016, 6:56pm

JM57,

TO WIT:

"Just pay a bit of attention and absorb"

WELL DONE MATE!

"His “revelations” occurred on day 2 of the climate change conference in Paris that ran from 7th to 10th July, 2015.

As you will see from the transcript and video excerpts, below, Professor Lenton initially denied that geoengineering activities were already occurring but, when pressed further, he threw in the towel and conceded that the geoengineering of our skies was indeed already happening."

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/12/26/busted-top-climate-scientist-confirms-covert-climate-engineering-a-fact/

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“But I think we can perhaps all agree that certainly none of us want to continue the current uncontrolled experiment”

"Above is a reveling quote from Professor Tim Lenton (Chair in Climate Change/Earth Systems Science, University of Exeter) who provided one of the many positive outcomes of this summer’s climate change conference in Paris."

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“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

Frank Zappa

SHALOM...Z


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Jan 17th, 2016, 9:37pm

Truth is what one seeks
But,What will one do when it is found?
Deniers are full and abundant even when there is proof
They will deny what's right above their heads.
Look^^^^^ Watch what goes on overhead
I fear for my future gens
They have no idea
There is a movement all about the entire Earth
Many have awakened
It's not too late
The chit is hitting the fan,We are watching what goes on above all of US.
Keep Watching......You will see the tic-tac-toe games overhead.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Jan 18th, 2016, 08:26am

metabunk says Tim Lenton,
was being "FACETIOUS"
"uncontrolled experiment"

As this morning, funny broken, (on off) lines in the sky
as far as the eye can see,
here in South Florida


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Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Jan 18th, 2016, 10:34pm

Ya,they've been nonexistent for 4 months here in my geo area,Then,It began again this early 2016.
Had 8 straight days of sunshine ,then one day of cloudiness
Following day,4 hrs of intermittent 'start',Runs for miles,stop,for 2-3 miles,Then restart,Then stop,
Why does this have the gaps in so-called "contrails" if not geoengineering?Contrails usually dissipate within minutes,These so called "contrails" last for hours,and spread out to envelope the sky,If this is 'normal',It's not what I have seen in my early years of my lifetime.
More need to wake up.
We have a worldwide awakening of a precedent which even MSM makes a frivolity of.
Too many groups about the Earth,Spread the news on a daily basis.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Jan 19th, 2016, 9:57pm

Too much evidence mounts and the sleepers stay that way,Yet,
No one seems to care.
What about "your" future generations?


Keep unwatching the skies above you,when your ailments become unbearable,just maybe,You may realize.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Jan 20th, 2016, 07:03am

on Jan 19th, 2016, 9:57pm, jm57 wrote:
Keep unwatching the skies above you,when your ailments become unbearable,just maybe,You may realize.



Then, what could be done
jm57 ?


http://holmestead.ca/chemtrails/aluminium.html

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https://www.reverbnation.com/mhasok/song/20153625-foedown
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Jan 20th, 2016, 8:32pm

The only thing to do is educate oneself,subscribe to the many orgs on the webz for current onging info around the world,There are many waking worldwide.
Myself,I stay with my supplements ,they help alleviate symptoms.
When the 'tic-tac-toe' begins ,I wear a surgical mask if I must venture outdoors.

Some think I'm crazy here in my small town,But,the result has been I've not been sick in 4 years,No cold,No flu,No recurrence from by bout with cancer.


Stay healthy my friends...

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Sys_Config on Jan 31st, 2016, 3:22pm

Anon hijacks NASA drone then stumble nto something else..

http://www.infowars.com/hackers-allegedly-hijack-drone-after-massive-breach-at-nasa/

partial..

AnonSec’s zine specifically cites climate engineering methods such as cloud seeding and geoengineering as the main driver behind the hack.

“One of the main purposes of the Operation was to bring awareness to the reality of Chemtrails/CloudSeeding/Geoengineering/WeatherModification, whatever you want to call it, they all represent the same thing. NASA even has several missions dedicated to studying Aerosols [sic] and their affects on the environment and weather, so we targeted their systems.”

Cloud seeding, a weather modification method that uses silver iodide to create precipitation in clouds, was most famously used by the U.S. military under “Operation Popeye” during the Vietnam war. After seeding clouds in the northern part of the country, U.S. forces were able to thwart Viet Cong supply lines by creating heavy rain over the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Geoengineering, according to NASA’s Erik Conway, involves “injecting sulfate particles into the upper atmosphere – essentially mimicking a large volcanic eruption,” in an attempt to reflect sunlight away from the planet.

A poll conducted by the Independent in 2009, outlined in the article “Climate scientists: it’s time for ‘Plan B,'” states that more than 50 percent of climate scientists support looking into geoengineering.

“Just over half – 54 per cent – of the 80 international specialists in climate science who took part in our survey agreed that the situation is now so dire that we need a backup plan that involves the artificial manipulation of the global climate to counter the effects of man-made emissions of greenhouse gases.”

The hackers link to several mainstream reports and patents as evidence of current weather modification programs.

A 2013 article from Slate entitled, “Climate Intelligence Agency: The CIA is now funding research into manipulating the climate,” examines a 21-month, $630,000 project carried out by The National Academy of Sciences.

“The goal of the CIA-backed NAS study is to conduct a ‘technical evaluation of a limited number of proposed geoengineering techniques,’ according to the NAS website,” the article reads. “Scientists will attempt to determine which geoengineering techniques are feasible and try to evaluate the impacts and risks of each (including ‘national security concerns’).”

Another article from The Telegraph listed by the hackers mentions how “The Chinese government covered Beijing in snow… after meteorologists seeded clouds to bring winter weather to the capital in an effort to combat a lingering drought.”

The hackers argue that if cloud seeding, geoengineering and weather modification “are all publicly acknowledged as real, why are Chemtrails [sic] discredited when its [sic] literally the same exact thing just with a different name?”

“We find it staggering how many people still dont [sic] believe the federal government is doing this when its [sic] already public knowledge that the CIA is funding studies, certain states and countries already have WeatherModification [sic] programs in place for the past several years, not to mention all the government whistleblowers,” the zine says.

AnonSec’s Dęfăult Vírüsa, who spoke with Infowars over encrypted communications, stated that no one involved in the NASA breach has been apprehended by law enforcement.


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Jan 31st, 2016, 7:16pm

Ha
Been doing my best to inform others
Evidence is surmountable
Too many new awakening sites to keep up with,yet I am doing what I feel compelled to do for my future generational offspring.
Sooner than most think,The caption title of this thread will read
"This chemtrail nonsense is beyond ~~~"
Will read
'What can we do now'..............
Seea ya on the other side brothers and sisters,
Please wake up,
RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Feb 1st, 2016, 09:17am

I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears but.....

www.vice.com/read/i-tricked-chemtrail-conspiracy-theorists-947
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chemtrails
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
http://www.nycaviation.com/2014/06/conspiracy-isnt-debunking-chemtrails/#.Vq918qP2bmI

And these are just a handful of intelligent pieces on the chemtrail conspiracy.
The most damaging logical question imho is the same one many of us have asked for years....'if they are spraying all over the place how do they avoid not spraying their friends and loved ones'? It would be simply impossible for Them not to hurt their own co-conspirators. And there simply isn't any good answer to that one even though the 'bleevers' have put forth some truly lame ones.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by GhostofEd on Feb 1st, 2016, 1:36pm

on Feb 1st, 2016, 09:17am, drwu23 wrote:
The most damaging logical question imho is the same one many of us have asked for years....'if they are spraying all over the place how do they avoid not spraying their friends and loved ones'?

Well, perhaps those in the know are ingesting materials that make them immune to the effects. This could be by oral or injection means. Those (family, friends, etc.) not in the know but on the list to be saved are given the immunity without their knowledge. Those flu shots, blood pressure meds and vitamins are prime methods.

Next I have to work on an explanation as to why it is necessary to kill off most of the population.

Then find out why no one has collected an actual airborne sample in a proper scientific method and subjected it to analysis at a reputable lab?
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Feb 1st, 2016, 3:14pm

on Feb 1st, 2016, 1:36pm, GhostofEd wrote:
Well, perhaps those in the know are ingesting materials that make them immune to the effects. This could be by oral or injection means. Those (family, friends, etc.) not in the know but on the list to be saved are given the immunity without their knowledge. Those flu shots, blood pressure meds and vitamins are prime methods.

Next I have to work on an explanation as to why it is necessary to kill off most of the population.

Then find out why no one has collected an actual airborne sample in a proper scientific method and subjected it to analysis at a reputable lab?


Well...you are assuming only one type of toxic spray and antidote, and the logistics of getting this antidote to all those who might be affected who are friends and family of the Evil Cabal is simply not feasible..imo.
So for me that's not a reasonable a answer.

But your second point is a good one...where is the actual scientific analysis of this spray ,what's the make up , and what's the proof it's harmful and what is it supposed to do?

I'm not going to hold my breath for that answerr....er, wait a minute maybe I should hold it when I go outside.
grin
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Sys_Config on Feb 1st, 2016, 5:05pm

I have no dog in this race...weather modification is very old business.as when native Americans burned bones to release calcium ions to seed the clouds...so is bio terror..when plague corpses were catapulted over castle walls ..what I do find curious with the "anon" report is the timing as well with the FBI CIA disclosures that were old stuff already in the public domain..I can't quite put my finger on it..but it seems..as some people on the official side are keeping these matters stirred up.why..I have no idea...However..I cannot ignore that vital staples and crops..are targets when trying to bring an enemy to its knees..As when Rome salted Carthages fields during the Punic wars..Vietnam was once a rice exporter and at the end of the conflict..it was importing it..Ukraine exported wheat to a 1/3 of Europe.they essentially
were finished off..with American Wheat exporters gladly picking up the pace..one wonders..wth is going on..Libya had the good fortune to have one of Africas largest watertable..thank you Nato and depleted uranium for taking care of that..
The intent may not be genocide..but make no mistake about it..that is precicesly what we have ..accomplished.. defacto genocide..without chemtrails..
Under these circumstances..we can expect continued distrust even in the face of contrary scientific evidence in the chemtrail matter..especially when science has been politicized as in climate warming..the rest of science suffers..we run the risk of becoming luddites..common sense..will wax and wane..and disappear all together..
people are simply at their wits end..

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 1st, 2016, 6:01pm

on Feb 1st, 2016, 3:14pm, drwu23 wrote:
...where is the actual scientific analysis of this spray ,what's the make up
grin


From my research drwu23, the only evidence is rain water, and soil samples,
Some one said they did test air samples at (est) 35,000 not sure how you would do that, but metabunk is on it, and a movie is coming,
OH BOY
here are the samples from rain water, I am testing water all the time,
you know why.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/lab-tests/
ENJOY
grin
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Feb 1st, 2016, 7:25pm

And
More information is coming forth
Naysayers continue to deny science.
People are waking up and seeing the reality
What happened to the dudes and dudettes making the attempts to deny this!!!
[mod edit: derogative/profane term for 'Cloacae' (chickens' reproductive system), purportedly denoting other debaters' lack of courage - uh.. Jm, mind language please!] you are.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by GhostofEd on Feb 1st, 2016, 8:45pm

If this is weather or crop modification attempts I still have to ask where is the evidence to back it up? I've seen nothing that indicates such efforts are effective.

Yes, some have tried to seed clouds, change weather patterns etc. but the results look very lacking. We can't even predict with all the super computers the courses of major storms. Yeah I can look to the sky and see trails behind planes but until I see someone provide a chemical analysis of what is actually in these trails I will not accept it is anything else then what science presently explains it as. To do otherwise is to fall victim to the logical fallacy of common sense.

I'll hazard a guess that the chemtrail crowd has no real desire to provide these samples and findings. It will ruin the conspiracy. What most likely will happen is that the results when found negative will be written off as the PTB's silencing the truth.

I really don't get it. Get a group together, agree on a collecting and sampling protocol that is acceptable to the scientific community. Agree on what concentration of elements beyond naturally and normal pollutant levels warrant a closer look. Collect the samples and send them off to various labs in a double blind test arrangement. I need someone to explain to me why this is so difficult without resorting to the cover-up excuses.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Feb 1st, 2016, 9:23pm

Do some frikin research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by GhostofEd on Feb 1st, 2016, 9:46pm

on Feb 1st, 2016, 9:23pm, jm57 wrote:
Do some frikin research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have. My background and education tells me this is all BS.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Feb 1st, 2016, 11:10pm

Really?
Apparently "your background " has expired with new information all over the interwebz,Do some searching before you come up with this lame response.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Feb 11th, 2016, 2:17pm

It's back to that logistics question again then.


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 11th, 2016, 6:42pm

This AM 2-11-2016
was the coldest all year in South FLA,
very crisp, very deep blue skies,
NOT ONE FUNNY LINE IN THE SKY ALL DAY
it was a great day !
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Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 11th, 2016, 6:48pm



tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 11th, 2016, 7:00pm



tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Feb 12th, 2016, 10:47am

Sadly anymore I simply don't trust any you tube videos. It is ridiculously easy to fake such things by those who know how. Without knowing who took the videos, their background, and where and what equipment it was done with we have no way of verifying the legitimacy of them.
And besides the one video looks like balloons to me and the other where the one 'orb' allegedly shoots something...I can't see any thing being shot at all.
You want to be taken seriously then turn the video into an expert to see what someone can make of it.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 12th, 2016, 2:57pm

on Feb 12th, 2016, 10:47am, drwu23 wrote:
You want to be taken seriously then turn the video into an expert to see what someone can make of it.


I did drwu23, right here at the #1 UFO website,
Smersh is more than capable to call it a hoax, or real.

I am sure there are others here who are also, able to do so,
SERIOUSLY.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Feb 13th, 2016, 08:54am

on Feb 12th, 2016, 2:57pm, MOKSHA wrote:
I did drwu23, right here at the #1 UFO website,
Smersh is more than capable to call it a hoax, or real.

I am sure there are others here who are also, able to do so,
SERIOUSLY.


And what did our 'expert' Smersh have to say..?
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Feb 19th, 2016, 5:11pm

on Feb 13th, 2016, 08:54am, drwu23 wrote:
And what did our 'expert' Smersh have to say..?


Who said I was an expert? smiley

I'm certainly no expert on CGI or what would constitute a hoax in a video, only small little bits of info here and there that I've picked up from people who ARE experts. For instance, over in a Facebook group I go on, one of our members is a guy who won an Emmy for animation and special effects in movies, and he sometimes explains why UFO etc videos that get posted are CGI hoaxes - ie certain things that appear such as lines here and colours there etc.

My opinion generally though, is the same as Drwu's ie:

on Feb 12th, 2016, 10:47am, drwu23 wrote:
Sadly anymore I simply don't trust any you tube videos. It is ridiculously easy to fake such things by those who know how. Without knowing who took the videos, their background, and where and what equipment it was done with we have no way of verifying the legitimacy of them.
And besides the one video looks like balloons to me and the other where the one 'orb' allegedly shoots something...I can't see any thing being shot at all.
You want to be taken seriously then turn the video into an expert to see what someone can make of it.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Feb 19th, 2016, 5:22pm

Re the first of those videos though:

on Feb 11th, 2016, 6:48pm, MOKSHA wrote:


tongue


The uploader is Crrow777, who is a notorious hoaxer of all sorts of things on Youtube, with quite a long history. Here's what he earns from Youtube advertising:

http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/crrow777

And in any case, that's just an ordinary contrail in that video.


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 20th, 2016, 05:44am

Smersh, can you link one video from the "notorious hoaxer" known as
crrow777, as a "confirmed" hoax ?

I will agree his has many "out of the box" ideas, but so do I.

It is interesting you brought the monetary sewer into this thread,
we all have to use the "FIAT BANK NOTE" to eat and drink.

I asked you this before about Mick West, you know "some guy"
what is he a expert at ?
You never served up a reply, so I will help with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neversoft

So where did Mick West get his, "BANK NOTES" from ?

From CGI video games. shocked



tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Reasoner on Feb 20th, 2016, 07:24am





Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Reasoner on Feb 20th, 2016, 07:31am

on Feb 20th, 2016, 05:44am, MOKSHA wrote:
I asked you this before about Mick West, you know "some guy"
what is he a expert at ?
You never served up a reply, so I will help with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neversoft


So being a computer programmer means you have brains of mush?
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Feb 20th, 2016, 08:16am

on Feb 20th, 2016, 05:44am, MOKSHA wrote:
Smersh, can you link one video from the "notorious hoaxer" known as
crrow777, as a "confirmed" hoax ? ...


My friend Dave Greg, (aka Dazzathecameraman, his Youtube handle) a keen amateur astronomer from New Zealand, has had quite a number of dealings with Crrow777 and has also had discussions with him on Skype. Here's a search of Dazza's channel with all the videos he has made debunking Crrow777's various claims. Also exposed him as a liar. (The links to each relevant Crrow video in question is given in Dazza's uploader's notes on each video.)

https://www.youtube.com/user/dazzathecameraman/search?query=Crrow777

Quote:
... It is interesting you brought the monetary sewer into this thread,
we all have to use the "FIAT BANK NOTE" to eat and drink ...


Yes but since Youtube made it easy for people to monetise their videos, thousands of liars have taken advantage and some are making shedloads of money by simply sitting on their backside all day, uploading videos full of pseudoscientific fearmongering tripe that they have made up. Take a look at what BPEarthWatch makes:

http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/bpearthwatch

You might also have seen another thread here somewhere that I started, about Secureteam10.

Quote:
I asked you this before about Mick West, you know "some guy"
what is he a expert at ?
You never served up a reply, so I will help with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neversoft

So where did Mick West get his, "BANK NOTES" from ?

From CGI video games. shocked ...


Mick West is a computer programmer and a founder of Neversoft, who make video games, yes that's true, but so what?

Mick is also the owner of these websites:

http://contrailscience.com

https://www.metabunk.org

As pointed out by Reasoner:

Quote:
So being a computer programmer means you have brains of mush?


Exactly. Instead of attacking the person, you need to explain why you think what's said on his websites is wrong (if you think any of it is wrong, that is.)


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 20th, 2016, 08:44am

Where did I say, anything negative about Mick West ?

crrow777 has been called a "notorious hoaxer" that's
NOT
a attack ?
MMM
embellishment is lying yes, but a hoax, not sure of that.
Not sure how any one could find my post to imply
programmers have a head of
MUSH,
where did that come from?
MW
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Feb 20th, 2016, 09:21am

on Feb 20th, 2016, 08:44am, MOKSHA wrote:
Where did I say, anything negative about Mick West ? ...


Well, what was

Quote:
I asked you this before about Mick West, you know "some guy"
what is he a expert at ?
You never served up a reply, so I will help with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neversoft

So where did Mick West get his, "BANK NOTES" from ?

From CGI video games. shocked


all about then?

Quote:
crrow777 has been called a "notorious hoaxer" that's
NOT
a attack ? ...


Because that's what he has been exposed as and it's been explained exactly why in Dazza's videos, in which Crrow's claims have also been thoroughly debunked. He hasn't been attacked without explaining why or presenting proof (unlike people like Mick West being called "shills" etc by some, but without backing that accusation up with evidence, an accusation that has also been directed at Dazza by several hoax believers, without backing it up.) )

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 20th, 2016, 10:08am

Asking what Mick West is a expert at, is not negative, from his own
"site"
he calls him self
"some guy"
who is not a climate scientist, but is a pilot, so he has been taught
what is taught in aviation school, about contrail science, I am not
attacking Mick West.

I only watched one of the "hoaxer bunking" videos if I find one there,
that shows proof of a hoax, I will post it here.
Unless you know of "ONE" I should look for.
MW
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Feb 20th, 2016, 12:29pm

on Feb 20th, 2016, 10:08am, MOKSHA wrote:
Asking what Mick West is a expert at, is not negative, from his own
"site"
he calls him self
"some guy"
who is not a climate scientist, but is a pilot, so he has been taught
what is taught in aviation school, about contrail science, I am not
attacking Mick West ...


The fact that he isn't a climate scientist is neither here nor there. I'm not a climate scientist either and neither are quite a few others who have debunked the chemtrail hoax. To only go by what peoples' qualifications are is the same as some saying that "so and so has a PhD, therefore what he's saying carries great weight and must therefore be correct. (Such as J. Marvin Herndon, who has a PhD in nuclear chemistry, but for some strange reason has fallen down the chemtrail rabbit hole and has a website in which he makes all kinds of wild, but many times debunked claims about chemtrails.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Marvin_Herndon )

It's the logical fallacy known as "argument from authority."

In all cases, it is what a person is saying that is important and that is what should be addressed, not what a person does for a living or what his/her qualifications are.

Quote:
I only watched one of the "hoaxer bunking" videos if I find one there,
that shows proof of a hoax, I will post it here.
Unless you know of "ONE" I should look for.
MW


As far as Dazzathecameraman is concerned, he has made quite a few videos debunking Crrow777 and exposing him as a charlatan, going back quite some while now. In particular Crrow's "lunar wave" claims.

For example:



Dazza's notes under that video: "A look at how Crrow777 practices censorship and suppression of truth by deleting comments and blocking people, thereby preventing open and balanced discussion."

Here's that link again to all of Dazza's videos exposing Crrow777:

https://www.youtube.com/user/dazzathecameraman/search?query=Crrow777


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Mar 1st, 2016, 10:25pm

If,There is no evidence as to this happening,Why is there so much evidence shown and admission by the US and many governments all over the world?
Addendum:Why ,now is this suddenly ceasing?
Evidence is much too overwhelming..
Follow the MONEY.............
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Mar 2nd, 2016, 10:12am

What specific evidence and govt admissions are you referring to...? I have never seen any good evidence that any toxic chemicals are being sprayed anywhere based on science nor read that the govt has admitted to this.
We have had cloud seeding experiments etc for a long time that are known but regarding the chemtrail conspiracy stuff what is there that has been verified?
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by ZETAR on Mar 8th, 2016, 3:31pm

cool

User Image

"North San Juan, CA — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders made a surprise campaign stop in Nevada County on Monday afternoon. Sanders visited the area to announce his plan for a more environmentally friendly chemtrails program."

http://everydayworldnews.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-eco-friendly-chemtrail-reform/

“I needed to be here in Nevada County,” Sanders began his speech which was held in the parking lot behind the Sierra Super Stop, “where so many have voiced concerns about chemtrails.”

“Our government continues to spray artificial chemicals on its own citizens to poison the population and geoengineer the climate,” Sanders said, “we know there are organic, sustainable alternatives that will accomplish the same objectives without damaging the Earth.”

“For example, deadly Cobra venom,” Sanders continued, “which the government can purchase directly from snake charmer collectives in India using fair trade guidelines.”

"Sanders also proposed Botulinum toxin, the naturally occurring bacterium that leads to the fatal disease botulism, as a poisonous substance that would sicken the population but leave flora and fauna unaffected."

“The soil ruining nano-aluminum coated fiberglass particles have got to go,” Sanders said. “We need a more biodegradable chemtrail future.”

"Sanders admitted that some man-made chemicals would be needed to meet the climate manipulation objectives outlined by the New World Order."

SHALOM...Z

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Mar 9th, 2016, 5:35pm

on Mar 8th, 2016, 3:31pm, ZETAR wrote:
cool

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I'm guessing you already figured this ZETAR, but it's a satirical article. wink
Originates from the Nevada County Scooper, which posts quite a few satire articles (and not just about chemtrails) here:

https://www.ncscooper.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-eco-friendly-chemtrail-reform/

In fact, one of the editors of that site posts in a Facebook group I go on.

From article:

Quote:
"... “Our government continues to spray artificial chemicals on its own citizens to poison the population and geoengineer the climate,” Sanders said, “we know there are organic, sustainable alternatives that will accomplish the same objectives without damaging the Earth.”

“For example, deadly Cobra venom,” Sanders continued, “which the government can purchase directly from snake charmer collectives in India using fair trade guidelines.” ...


Even after reading that bit, I daresay there are some chemtrail believers who will still swallow it though. rolleyes

on Mar 8th, 2016, 9:23pm, jm57 wrote:
... How many members here do not do their own searches and find what evidence is available out there.
So much is there ...


But that's just it. There is no evidence at all. Zero, nada, zilch. People have been making chemtrail claims since the late 1990s when the hoax first appeared and have NEVER, EVER presented any actual evidence.

There are plenty of REAL bad things in the world for people to protest about but believe it not, there actually are a few people, who were apparently asleep in science class who protest about clouds instead.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Mar 10th, 2016, 09:55am

on Mar 8th, 2016, 9:23pm, jm57 wrote:
The conundrum for me is:
How many members here do not do their own searches and find what evidence is available out there.
So much is there,Yet,no one seems to give a damn of future generations.
I suppose it's the 'old person doesn't care thing'Or,the intellectuals are too confined in their scientific ways.....
Folks,there are things going on about and above you,These are unseen,Yet those which do not see have such a derogatory reply to the Truth.


Ok then...list your evidence and sites that show this with proper science and testing that has been verified and not just conspiracy links.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by notdej on Mar 10th, 2016, 10:40am

on Mar 8th, 2016, 9:23pm, jm57 wrote:
The conundrum for me is:
How many members here do not do their own searches and find what evidence is available out there.
So much is there,Yet,no one seems to give a damn of future generations.

I take it you care, you give a damn- so apart from searching the net, reading conspiracy theories what are 'you' doing about it?

What do you feel others should do--apart from searching the net, reading conspiracy theories; any suggestions? Just out of interest wink
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by INT21 on Mar 10th, 2016, 11:32am

Jm57.

..So much is there,Yet,no one seems to give a damn of future generations.


You are taking the same approach as our recently departed member who wouldn't believe that anyone but himself could be right.

Those of us who think is just isn't true do so because we find no evidence that it is.

You surely don't believe that the pilots and crew of these planes really want to poison their own families ?

HAL
INT21
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Mar 10th, 2016, 12:24pm

on Mar 10th, 2016, 11:32am, INT21 wrote:
You surely don't believe that the pilots and crew of these planes really want to poison their own families ?

HAL
INT21


I've asked this question numerous times here and other places and never received an intelligent answer.
If some 'cabal' is spraying harmful chemicals then the families and friends of this 'cabal' is also being sprayed when they go outside unless hundreds of the 'elite' are given a spraying list each month....what utter nonsense.

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Mar 10th, 2016, 10:06pm

Quit being so lazy folks
Seek
And
you may stumble upon things
The future generations depend upon you
Haste makes waste
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Mar 11th, 2016, 04:12am

on Mar 10th, 2016, 10:06pm, jm57 wrote:
... Seek
And
you may stumble upon things ...


Well yes, you might well stumble upon things, which brings up another question you might want to consider (since you still haven't explained why they would be spraying themselves, as just mentioned by Hal, Drwu and myself several times previously.)

Re the claims that there is a secret conspiracy, by all the governments in the world, to spray toxic chemicals from the sky in order to poison people. Here's a Google search showing conspiracy websites "exposing" chemtrails in 2006, ten years ago:

Chemtrail websites in 2006

Doesn't it seem odd to you that all those sites (pages and pages of them in that search) are still there in 2016? Wouldn't governments have had them all removed as soon as they appeared?


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Mar 11th, 2016, 07:20am

NOTICE OF INTENT
http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/health/government-quietly-admits-weather-modification/
tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Mar 11th, 2016, 09:21am

on Mar 11th, 2016, 07:20am, MOKSHA wrote:
NOTICE OF INTENT
http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/health/government-quietly-admits-weather-modification/
tongue


What do they mean by "admits" weather modification? It's been going on since the 1940s and there has never been any secret about it. It's cloud seeding, which is done by small prop planes at heights of around 10,000-16,000 ft, the purpose of which is to create rain or suppress hail etc in very localised areas that need it, and has nothing whatsoever to do with contrails, which are created at the cruising altitude of airliners at 30,000 feet or more.

It's so secret that the organisations that do it have websites visible to the entire world, such as this one:

http://www.weathermodification.com

Oh and by the way, that link you gave is yet another one that hasn't been removed by the evil gubbmint for "exposing" chemtrails, along with all those ten years old ones I mentioned in my previous comment!
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Mar 11th, 2016, 3:46pm

on Mar 11th, 2016, 09:21am, Smersh wrote:
Oh and by the way, that link you gave is yet another one that hasn't been removed by the evil gubbmint for "exposing" chemtrails, along with all those ten years old ones I mentioned in my previous comment!


OK lets start with this comment, I find the weather mod sites as "small potatoes" the Government can't even take down terrorist websites,
I would think this would be very high on a very short list of things to do.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/260438-fcc-says-it-cant-shutdown-online-terrorist-activity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObRO6jwrA4

This comment of yours has holes in it, about 10 year old weather mod sites,
sorry not important.
tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Mar 11th, 2016, 4:13pm

With all due respect to you and Mr. West,
SMERSH,
I am most interested in the very abrupt start and stop of the "contrails"
I see this often here in South Florida.
here is some of the data, please any one interested in this issue read this
very carefully.
http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/
maybe I am reading this wrong, but it claims that now warm air, "NEXT"
to other air cause this, break, what about a very short and very sharp
edge, the plane found its way into a very tiny area of cold air, for a very short
time, I'm sorry that's not going to convince me, but maybe I'm wrong.

And the CIA never did anything bad, or deceptive.

http://consciouslifenews.com/mk-ultra-analysis-mind-control-part-1-httpwwweliteagendacomeareportsmk-ultra-analysis-mind-control-part-1sthashmloqvrwndpuf/1150608/


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Mar 11th, 2016, 5:25pm

on Mar 11th, 2016, 3:46pm, MOKSHA wrote:
... This comment of yours has holes in it, about 10 year old weather mod sites,
sorry not important.
tongue


But they are not weather mod sites, because as I said before weather modification is not a secret and has nothing to do with contrails or the claims about "chemtrails." Take a look again at the search results for the conspiracy sites I posted earlier and the search term I used, ie "chemtrails."

Chemtrail websites in 2006

It brings up PAGES AND PAGES of sites claiming the entire world is being poisoned 24 hours a day, 7 days a week by toxic chemicals sprayed from the sky. And those sites have been there for at least TEN YEARS.

Where are the articles saying that governments have been unable to remove those chemtrail websites, even though they have been there for at least ten years? So not only are those sites still there and have been visible to the entire world for all those years, so have the trails in the sky. Could it be because governments are not in the slightest bit interested, because it is all absolute tripe, just like all the sites claiming that the Earth is flat and so on?

And out of the 7 billion people in the world, why are there not at least a billion of them marching in the streets and banging on the doors of their governments to protest about this heinous crime, because not only can they clearly see the trails, but all those websites have told them about it?

Not only that, but as pointed out by several people here, whoever is doing this alleged spraying is also spraying themselves and their own families, because we all breathe the same air.

Still makes sense to you?

Quote:
... http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/ ...


Yes that article is correct. The atmosphere is very complex and conditions can vary over very small areas of sky, meaning that trails can start and stop. Just as ordinary clouds can have gaps in them instead of covering the whole sky. Also, pilots can change engine settings which can also affect contrail formation.

Here's a couple of peer reviewed papers about contrail formation:

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2009BAMS2839.1

(Edit - ^^^ Sorry but you'll have to copy/paste that link into your browser as it doesn't format correctly here for it to be clicked on.)

This next one, from R.G. Knollenburg, was published in 1972, which is about 25 years before the first claims about "chemtrails" started to appear:

http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by INT21 on Mar 11th, 2016, 5:28pm

MOKSHA,

I see this phenomena on a regular basis. Often when planes are descending into our local airport. They pass through layers of air with slightly different temperatures and densities.

Basically that is all there is to it.

HAL
INT21
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Mar 11th, 2016, 7:50pm

on Mar 11th, 2016, 5:28pm, INT21 wrote:
MOKSHA,

I see this phenomena on a regular basis. Often when planes are descending into our local airport. They pass through layers of air with slightly different temperatures and densities.

Basically that is all there is to it.

HAL
INT21


HAL, I can "believe" that as possible, I can find data on different temps
density and humidity at different layers of altitude, I have a hard
time believing there is a big enough variance at a constant altitude,
to cause such a display that has only been here in South FL. since
2011, prior to this date, non of this stuff was in the sky over my head,
I hope you and SMERSH can understand my concern.

I thank you and SMERSH, for your input in this conversation, I have
a funny feeling, it will not die as easy as the flat Earth society.

EPA hearing 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9MLCabuBEg

MKW



Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Mar 12th, 2016, 07:28am

on Mar 11th, 2016, 7:50pm, MOKSHA wrote:
...
I thank you and SMERSH, for your input in this conversation, I have
a funny feeling, it will not die as easy as the flat Earth society.


You're very welcome MOKSHA. Re the Flat Earth Society though, it hasn't died unfortunately - in fact it's had a new lease of life in the last year or so, because groups claiming the Earth is flat have sprung up all over Facebook, loads of videos about it have been uploaded to Youtube and lots of new blogs, websites and forums created etc etc. In fact, it seems to have overtaken Nibiru in the derp popularity stakes ... tongue

Quote:
EPA hearing 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9MLCabuBEg
MKW


Yes I remember that hearing. Amanda Baise / Williams /Tasia Danielle (several names she goes by, but also aka Madison Star Moon and often referred to by chemtrail debunkers as Mad Loon) Max Bliss, Patrick Roddie and Jim Lee were all in attendance, giving their "evidence" about a mass global Toxic spraying programme ...

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Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by drwu23 on Mar 12th, 2016, 07:46am

^ 'Mad Loon'.......that's actually funny.
She does look a bit out of it.....maybe the 'morgellons' is finally taking it's toll.


wink
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Mar 12th, 2016, 08:53am

on Mar 12th, 2016, 07:46am, drwu23 wrote:
... She does look a bit out of it.....maybe the 'morgellons' is finally taking it's toll ... wink


The 1,000 yard stare given by the two EPA panel members. wink

The video posted by MOKSHA only shows Patrick Roddie's speech, which he read out from his iPhone. tongue

However, Mad Loon's and the others' speeches are all on YT as well somewhere.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Mar 12th, 2016, 09:04am

Here's Mad Loon's aka Amanda's speech (oh btw she is also known as Dramanda by debunkers. wink She has lots of photos on Facebook of her walking around wearing a face mask, to protect her from the deadly chemicals and she is also scared of cellphone "death" towers.)






Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Mar 12th, 2016, 09:14am

on Mar 12th, 2016, 07:28am, Smersh wrote:
You're very welcome MOKSHA. Re the Flat Earth Society though, it hasn't died unfortunately - in fact it's had a new lease of life in the last year or so, because groups claiming the Earth is flat have sprung up all over Facebook, loads of videos about it have been uploaded to Youtube and lots of new blogs, websites and forums created etc etc. In fact, it seems to have overtaken Nibiru in the derp popularity stakes ... tongue



If you remember a while back when I sent you (via email) a certain picture
very short sharp contrail blocking a anomaly, you were the only person
who had a plausible explanation, "reflection of the atmosphere"
I sent that picture to many people, Timothy Good had the worst
explanation out of all,
even after asking him how he came to his conclusion, he had nothing
to say, I have lost some respect for him, as with any one else who cannot explain,
their method of conclusion.
The reason I bring this up, is the movements that are gaining in
popularity, whether they are right or wrong, sometimes correctness,
MATTERS NOT
I have reasons to question everything that is said and done, as it would
be my opinion, that is how science works,
QUESTION EVERYTHING
seems like many movements are dividing people, it is like a cartoon for me, and my reason for pondering present day,
LOONEY TUNES
why would Stanton Friedman entertain one of the leaders of the
flat Earth society?
very long interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikgm5HKd93U

Florida has got new laws from Rick Scott, many people are seeing
big moves, which violate our constitution,
SWAMPRAT has asked, what has happened, it is my opinion, that it has been
HAPPENING, for a while now, it is known as Newtonian Physics
EVER ACTION HAS A EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION
which can only be violated on the TV SET, or CGI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MubibClfoCM
kiss
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Mar 21st, 2016, 02:03am

It doesn't matter anymore.
We,The public has no say in the outcome.
What transpires and continues will be what we have all to deal with.
Future generations are the prime
They do not care what flies above their heads.
I talk to folks here in my locale and they look @ me as if I'm crazy.
One day,When these obvious things are finally observed above them in the skies,It will be too late.
It's right above them and they never look up.
It's good to be old and not see the the outcome of ignorance as folks go about their daily lives.
Peace be to you all.
See you,maybe,on the other side.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by jm57 on Feb 3rd, 2017, 10:04pm

It's getting WORLD awareness now.
The proverbial **it is hitting the fan.
Being I just turned 65,I have had a barrage of tests done as to my lingering ailments.
The most profound result was=Aluminum
3rd grade level of contamination above US Federal Standards.
Proof is in the poison.
My doc tells me to stay inside as much as I can,Only go out on days of no clouds.
When I asked why,
His reply
"I am unable to respond to that,at this time"
I asked again,"WHY aren't you able to respond to a simple requested question?"
This says much
"I was ordered by my employer".
He is employed by a conglomerate related and a subsidiary of United Health.org
He then proceeded to prescribe 6 drugs to help with my ailments.
6,Unknown to him,I had been researching that 1,BUT,the other 5 were to counteract the side-effects of the 1st one!!
On and on.He finally softly said,"If you are in a mobile state of health,DON'T fill the script"...
What the hell does that tell me of pharma ..
Mo
MONEY.




Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by thelmadonna on Feb 4th, 2017, 03:39am

Colloidal Silver will rid your bogy of most heavy metals Jim and you can even make it http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-COLLOIDAL-SILVER-Easy/


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 9th, 2017, 07:36am

Sorry about your health
jm57

A reason for the spray may have been found.
Here is a video on the effects of UVC which is
NOT suppose to reach Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Pm38YzLqc

What if sumtin has changed and UVC has been recently hitting the
Earth, what could be done?

If any one has a UVC detector lets check it out.
shocked
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Feb 16th, 2017, 8:23pm

THEY SPRAYED THE SKY
TODAY
BUT FORGOT TO SAY
WHY THEY SPRAY THE SKY
O MY GOD IT'S IN MY MY EYE

THEY SPRAYED THE SKY TODAY

https://www.reverbnation.com/mhasok/song/20598957-spray-x

they sure did
tongue
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Swamprat on Mar 15th, 2017, 2:54pm

Let's play Chemtrail Bingo!



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Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Mar 16th, 2017, 7:52pm

I
54
BINGO

http://www.gematrix.org/?word=may+the+fourth+be+with+you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB1C4W-tHtM


13:23
MW
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Smersh on Mar 30th, 2017, 07:06am

on Mar 15th, 2017, 2:54pm, Swamprat wrote:
Let's play Chemtrail Bingo!



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That's my Bingo card! smiley
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Swamprat on Mar 30th, 2017, 12:54pm

On the other hand..... Hmmmm.....


Geoengineering Definition of Terms

GEOENGINEERING

Geoengineering is the artificial modification of Earths climate systems through two primary ideologies, Solar Radiation Management (SRM) and Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR)\

CARBON DIOXIDE REMOVAL (CDR)

Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR) and seqeustration. This is artificial trees, ocean fertilization etc. These projects are declassified for the most part. This method of geoengineering IS NOT the focus of this website.

SOLAR RADIATION MANAGEMENT (SRM)

Solar Radiation Management (SRM), controlling sunlight before it reaches the planet.

STRATOSPHERIC SULFATE AEROSOLS GEO-ENGINEERING (SAG-SRM)
The ability of stratospheric sulfate aerosols to create a global dimming effect has made them a possible candidate for use in geoengineering projects [1] to limit the effect and impact ofclimate change due to rising levels of greenhouse gases .[2] Delivery of precursor sulfide gases such as hydrogen sulfide (H2S) or sulfur dioxide (SO2) by artillery, aircraft [3] and balloons has been proposed.

Tom Wigley calculated the impact of injecting sulfate particles, or aerosols, every one to four years into the stratosphere in amounts equal to those lofted by the volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991, but did not address the many technical and political challenges involved in potential geoengineering efforts. If found to be economically, environmentally and technologically viable, such injections could provide a “grace period” of up to 20 years before major cutbacks in greenhouse gas emissions would be required, he concludes. <br>grinirect delivery of precursors is proposed by Paul Crutzen. This would typically be achieved using sulfide gases such as dimethyl sulfide, sulfur dioxide (SO2), carbonyl sulfide, orhydrogen sulfide (H2S). These compounds would be delivered using artillery, aircraft (such as the high-flying F15C) or balloons, and result in the formation of compounds with the sulfate anion SO42-.<br>According to estimates by the Council on Foreign Relations, “one kilogram of well placed sulfur in the stratosphere would roughly offset the warming effect of several hundred thousand kilograms of carbon dioxide.”

CHEMTRAILING

Chemtrailing is the publics term for the CLASSIFIED ONGOING artificial modification of Earths climate systems using reflective nano-materials (aerosols) to reflect sunlight. The aerosols are dispersed via jet aircraft trails that expand into reflective artificial clouds.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineering-definition-of-terms/

See next post


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Swamprat on Mar 30th, 2017, 12:57pm

Related to previous post


Fear of solar geoengineering is healthy – but don't distort our research


Models suggest solar geoengineering could reduce climate change and our independently assessed studies are vital to understanding its full potential

David W Keith and Gernot Wagner
Wednesday 29 March 2017

Even if the world were to cut emissions to zero tomorrow, global temperatures and sea levels would rise for decades. If our roll of the climate dice is unlucky, they could rise for centuries. It is in this context that some climate researchers have begun to reluctantly take seriously ideas first proposed in the 1960s: the possibility of using solar geoengineering to help restore the world’s climate, alongside aggressive actions to reduce greenhouse-gas (GHG) emissions to zero and below.

Fear of solar geoengineering is entirely healthy. Its mere prospect might be hyped by fossil fuel interests to thwart emissions cuts. It could be used by one or a few nations in a way that’s harmful to many. There might be some yet undiscovered risk making the technology much less effective in reality than the largely positive story told by computer models.

Yet that healthy fear can distort discussion in unhealthy ways. A reader glancing at recent coverage in the Guardian, especially a piece by Martin Lukacs, might assume we were capitalistic tools of Donald Trump, eager to geoengineer the planet, democracy and justice be damned.

That reader might miss the fact that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded that, “Models consistently suggest that [solar geoengineering] would generally reduce climate differences compared to a world with elevated GHG concentrations and no [solar geoengineering]”, or that many scientists, including the UK Royal Society and US National Academy, support research. So do many environmentalists, including the Environmental Defence Fund and the Natural Resources Defence Council.

With all that in mind, we have begun to study solar geoengineering more closely. The emphasis here is on study. It would be reckless to deploy solar geoengineering based on today’s limited research.

What makes Harvard’s effort different is that we are planning on doing so in an integrated, multi-disciplinary programme spanning many faculties and points of view. That integrated programme is the context for a proposed outdoor experiment.

Prof Frank Keutsch and one of us (Keith) are proposing to fly a balloon about 20km into the air. Its objective is to quantify the microphysics of introducing tiny particles into the stratosphere to improve estimates of the risks and benefits of solar geoengineering in large atmospheric models. It is not a “test” of planetary cooling. The amount of material we would release is tiny compared to everyday activities. For example, if we tested sulphates, we would put less material into the stratosphere than a typical commercial aircraft does in one minute of flight. Our material of choice for the first flight? Frozen water. Later flights might include tiny amounts of calcium carbonate or indeed sulphates.

That said, we do not ask anyone to take our word about the safety or legal compliance of the experiment. Risk must be independently assessed, and legal compliance assured, or we will not fly.

Governance of experiments is currently inadequate. To that end, we are seeking advice from Janos Pasztor’s Carnegie Climate Geoengineering Governance Initiative, major environmental NGOs, and various other civil society organisations to develop an independent advisory process for the experiment. It’s a bootstrap process with the goal of fostering international governance for future experiments. Crucially, we will only proceed with the experiment if doing so does not imperil the long-term ability to develop a solar geoengineering research programme with broad public and stakeholder support.

Facts matter, or at least they should. Friday’s Guardian article implied that the experiment is funded by Bill Gates, but it is not. Gates will in future likely fund the interdisciplinary solar geoengineering research program at Harvard, but his funding will amount to less than 40% of the total, and this experiment is not funded by him. Other funders already include the Hewlett foundation, itself among the largest funders of climate research and advocacy. (Our public forum this past Friday, in turn, was funded by the Sloan foundation.) It is possible that the broader programme will end up supporting the experiment in later years, but at least through the first flights, the experiment is funded by internal Harvard research funds given to new professors.

Martin Lukacs’s analysis piece is in an entirely different league. It comes after a similarly biased piece four years ago, which severely distorted our proposed experiment. The current piece hypes a link to Trump, but if Trump were to push solar geoengineering while gutting climate science, we believe the only appropriate response is active resistance.

Fear of solar geoengineering is justified. So is fear of the largely unaccounted-for tail risks of climate change, which make the problem much worse than most realise. Ending fossil fuels will not eliminate climate risks, it just stops the increase of atmospheric carbon. That carbon and its climate risk cannot be wished away.

There is a prudent case for an international, transparent, and sustainable solar geoengineering research programme that includes field experiments with appropriate governance. We welcome debate on the merits of such a research programme.

• David Keith is professor of applied physics and professor of public policy at Harvard and author of A Case for Climate Engineering (MIT Press, 2013).

• Gernot Wagner is research associate and lecturer at Harvard and co-author of Climate Shock (Princeton University Press, 2015).

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/29/criticism-harvard-solar-geoengineering-research-distorted

Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by INT21 on Mar 30th, 2017, 2:45pm

Swamp,

Sadly I have come to a conclusion.

All hope of ever getting any agreement let alone actual action on emissions control and similar clean air schemes is complete fantasy.

It is never going to happen. We way as well accept it.

The confirmation of this came today when watching CNBC.

The pundits were discussing oil production. And the group view was 'not to worry if oil usage was a little low, soon it would be the summer driving season'.

And that says it all.

No point in getting all this oil if no one can burn it. No profit from oil sat in the ground.

As long as a few people at the top can make money nothing else matters.

The new government wants to lower the emission levels in California (California is resisting this) so that more polluting engines can be used. Guess they use more fuel. Equals more profits. Trump calls it unnecessary regulation.

Mind, he'll be dead in ten years or less, why should he care ? His family can move to someplace with relatively clean air, Aspen ?

The whole damn game is sordid and sick.

HAL
INT21


Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Mar 30th, 2017, 4:32pm

I agree HAL,
very sick,
you were kidding, YES ?

Just today?

Did the climate scientist include cosmic influence as a partial
issue, or the Earths magnetic field, as a partial issue, do the
scientist include this data in to the computer models?

Anyone can answer this if you know.
.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Swamprat on Jul 2nd, 2017, 9:45pm

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Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by MOKSHA on Oct 27th, 2017, 8:38pm

WHISKEY
TANGO
FOXTROT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVOIdlGy0y0

you can do math
.
Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
Post by Swamprat on Oct 31st, 2017, 10:50am

"This is the Captain speaking; please shovel another load of corncobs and wood chips into the fuel tank."


Research aims to help renewable jet fuel take flight

Date: October 30, 2017
Source: University of Delaware

Summary: The International Air Transport Association predicts that 7.2 billion passengers will fly in 2035, nearly doubling the 3.8 billion in 2016. So how do we make flying easier on the environment? Instead of petroleum, researchers have now developed new processes to ramp up production of bio-based fuel made from corncobs and wood chips.

Airplanes zoom overhead, wispy-white contrails streaming behind them. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) handled 43,684 flights, on average, every day last year, and U.S. military and commercial flights together used over 20 billion gallons of jet fuel.

All those emissions add up. World air travel contributed 815 million tons of CO2 emissions in 2016 -- two percent of the global humanmade total, according to the International Air Transport Association. And global air traffic is not slowing down. IATA predicts that 7.2 billion passengers will travel by air in 2035, nearly doubling the 3.8 billion that flew in 2016.

So how do we make air travel easier on the environment? University of Delaware researchers are working to develop an alternative jet fuel. Instead of petroleum, UD researchers want to power planes with corncobs and wood chips -- stuff you generally don't care much about unless you're a groundhog or a beaver looking for leftovers.

In UD's Harker Interdisciplinary Science and Engineering Laboratory, researchers are transforming such plant material, known scientifically as lignocellulosic biomass, into green products, including new fuels and chemicals. The scientists are affiliated with the Catalysis Center for Energy Innovation (CCEI), an Energy Frontier Research Center supported by the U.S. Department of Energy. Based at UD, the center brings together scientists from nine institutions to work on clean energy challenges.

One of the biggest hurdles to making renewable jet fuel, according to CCEI Associate Director Basudeb Saha, is increasing the speed and efficiency of two critical chemical processes -- coupling and deoxygenation. Since the plant material the center works with has a low carbon content once it's broken down from a solid into a liquid, the carbon molecules must be chemically stitched together or "coupled" to create high-carbon molecules in the jet fuel range. Then the oxygen must be removed from these molecules to form branched hydrocarbons. This branching is essential to improving the flow of fuel at the freezing temperatures of commercial flight.

"International planes may fly at an altitude of 35,000 feet, where the outside temperature could be as low as -14° Centigrade," says Saha, who is leading a renewable jet fuel project at the center. "That's the temperature at which a plane has to run, and the fuel can't be frozen."

Accelerating renewable jet fuel production
The demand persists for non-petroleum-based fuel for aviation. More than a decade ago, the FAA had set a target of using 1 billion gallons of renewable jet fuel by 2018. According to IATA, sustainable aviation fuels are integral to its pursuit of carbon neutral growth from 2020 on, and to a 50 percent reduction in net carbon emissions by 2050 (relative to 2005 levels). But not enough quantities of this alternative fuel are being produced, nor at a competitive cost.

Currently, several U.S. companies make renewable jet fuel from materials such as triglycerides extracted from used oil and grease, or from a combination of carbon monoxide and hydrogen called syngas. One company uses algae as its source material and even has an underground pipeline to the Los Angeles Airport (LAX), where a percentage gets mixed with conventional jet fuel, Saha says.

However, processing this non-conventional material requires high temperatures -- 350°C (662°F) -- and high pressure as well.

Not so with those wood chips and corn cobs at UD, where Saha and his colleagues have developed new catalysts -- so called "chemical goats" -- that kickstart the chemical reactions that can transform this plant material into fuel. One of these catalysts, made from inexpensive graphene, looks like a honeycomb of carbon molecules. Its unique surface properties increase the speed of the coupling reaction. It also operates at low temperature (60°C). Another catalyst removes oxygen in an energy-efficient way and produces high yields of branched molecules, up to 99 percent, suitable for jet fuel. Both catalysts are recyclable, and the processes are scalable.

"The low temperature and high selectivity of our process can enable cost-competitive and sustainable production of bio-based aviation fuels from lignocellulosic biomass," Saha says.
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Story Source:
Materials provided by University of Delaware. Original written by Tracey Bryant. Note: Content may be edited for style and length.
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Journal Reference:
1. Sibao Liu, Saikat Dutta, Weiqing Zheng, Nicholas S. Gould, Ziwei Cheng, Bingjun Xu, Basudeb Saha, Dionisios G. Vlachos. Catalytic Hydrodeoxygenation of High Carbon Furylmethanes to Renewable Jet-fuel Ranged Alkanes over a Rhenium-Modified Iridium Catalyst. ChemSusChem, 2017; 10 (16): 3164 DOI: 10.1002/cssc.201701493

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171030154446.htm


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