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xx Frank Kimbler's Roswell Debris
« Thread started on: Sep 3rd, 2011, 10:50am »

The original article from Open Minds written by Alejandro Rojas on Frank Kimbler's discovery and its potential significance, hyped and sensationalized as the article arguably was:

http://www.openminds.tv/test-confirms-roswell-debris-733/

Frank Purcell's analysis of info contained in Rojas' article:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/07/during-past-three-years-i-have.html

Now, for whatever reasons, a sample of the debris is apparently missing without explanation:

Sample of Kimbler's Roswell Debris Disappears En Route to ASU

A metal fragment taken from the Roswell debris discovered by Frank Kimbler was lost without explanation. Kimbler shipped the fragment via Fedex for further testing at Arizona State University's School of Earth and Space Exploration in Tempe. The package arrived, but Lynda Williams, Ph.D., a research professor, emailed Kimbler that the fragment was not in the package.

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“This UFO evidence stuff is an interesting game to play. Seems to be a great deal like cat and mouse, cloak and dagger and chess all wrapped in one,” Kimbler added, stating that he will not ship any other samples to anyone. He further stated he or trusted colleagues will personally supervise every step of debris analysis from here forward.

Full article:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/09/sample-of-kimblers-roswell-debris.html
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xx Re: Frank Kimbler's Roswell Debris
« Reply #1 on: Sep 3rd, 2011, 2:47pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2011, 10:50am, jjflash wrote:
The original article from Open Minds written by Alejandro Rojas on Frank Kimbler's discovery and its potential significance, hyped and sensationalized as the article arguably was:

http://www.openminds.tv/test-confirms-roswell-debris-733/

Frank Purcell's analysis of info contained in Rojas' article:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/07/during-past-three-years-i-have.html

Now, for whatever reasons, a sample of the debris is apparently missing without explanation:

Sample of Kimbler's Roswell Debris Disappears En Route to ASU

A metal fragment taken from the Roswell debris discovered by Frank Kimbler was lost without explanation. Kimbler shipped the fragment via Fedex for further testing at Arizona State University's School of Earth and Space Exploration in Tempe. The package arrived, but Lynda Williams, Ph.D., a research professor, emailed Kimbler that the fragment was not in the package.

[...]

“This UFO evidence stuff is an interesting game to play. Seems to be a great deal like cat and mouse, cloak and dagger and chess all wrapped in one,” Kimbler added, stating that he will not ship any other samples to anyone. He further stated he or trusted colleagues will personally supervise every step of debris analysis from here forward.

Full article:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/09/sample-of-kimblers-roswell-debris.html


It's amazing how many 'alien artifacts' have allegedly disappeared over the years. wink
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 4th, 2011, 2:18pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2011, 2:47pm, drwu23 wrote:
It's amazing how many 'alien artifacts' have allegedly disappeared over the years. wink


I have a personal appreciation for healthy skepticism, drwu. In this particular situation, however, I take odds with your comment. I will explain why.

The Open Minds article on Kimbler's find was hyped and poor quality, at least from the perspective of reporting actuality. I expressed this to be the case on my blog via the previously referenced data analysis generously provided by retired engineer Frank Purcell. Essentially, Purcell pointed out that the data presented in the Open Minds article was not complete and was biased. Purcell's analysis:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/07/during-past-three-years-i-have.html

My interactions with Frank Kimbler, and as expressed in my previously referenced latest blog post...

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/09/sample-of-kimblers-roswell-debris.html

...lead me to believe that Kimbler is proceeding in sensible and scientific manners. Specifically, Kimbler does not assert that he can tell us what he found, as demonstrated in his fair and objective statements, "Here is what I would like to see happen. CNN or some other big news agency to follow this analysis. Full public disclosure of the process, good science. It makes no difference to me if the material is a beer can fragment or ET metal, it's all part of the story... to get an answer."

My point being that you, drwu, are the one who has used the term "alien artifact," not Kimbler, not Purcell and not I. There are many possibilities simmering within this unfolding story, any of which have the potential to be quite interesting and relevant, with or without alleged aliens.

In order to realize, adequately consider and intelligently address such possibilities, we must refrain from being mentally lazy; we must have the ability and stamina to consider the range of possibilities, their implications and the methods of investigating them further.

I assert that your remark, drwu, is no more applicable than its polar opposite, stating the gov stole the fragment to keep us from learning an alien vessel crashed in Roswell. Either perspective is premature, biased and a matter of convenience that allows us to lazily dismiss evidence and occurrences without further thought.

For example, there are many very interesting possibilities that I would want to know more about whether or not the circumstances had anything to do with an alleged alien spacecraft. Actually, I very, very seriously doubt an alien craft crashed in Roswell - and that potentially makes the situation all the more interesting. Maybe.

Think about it.

Or be too lazy to think about it.

The choice is up to each of us.

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xx Re: Frank Kimbler's Roswell Debris
« Reply #3 on: Sep 6th, 2011, 11:16am »

on Sep 4th, 2011, 2:18pm, jjflash wrote:
I have a personal appreciation for healthy skepticism, drwu. In this particular situation, however, I take odds with your comment. I will explain why.

The Open Minds article on Kimbler's find was hyped and poor quality, at least from the perspective of reporting actuality. I expressed this to be the case on my blog via the previously referenced data analysis generously provided by retired engineer Frank Purcell. Essentially, Purcell pointed out that the data presented in the Open Minds article was not complete and was biased. Purcell's analysis:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/07/during-past-three-years-i-have.html

My interactions with Frank Kimbler, and as expressed in my previously referenced latest blog post...

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/09/sample-of-kimblers-roswell-debris.html

...lead me to believe that Kimbler is proceeding in sensible and scientific manners. Specifically, Kimbler does not assert that he can tell us what he found, as demonstrated in his fair and objective statements, "Here is what I would like to see happen. CNN or some other big news agency to follow this analysis. Full public disclosure of the process, good science. It makes no difference to me if the material is a beer can fragment or ET metal, it's all part of the story... to get an answer."

My point being that you, drwu, are the one who has used the term "alien artifact," not Kimbler, not Purcell and not I. There are many possibilities simmering within this unfolding story, any of which have the potential to be quite interesting and relevant, with or without alleged aliens.

In order to realize, adequately consider and intelligently address such possibilities, we must refrain from being mentally lazy; we must have the ability and stamina to consider the range of possibilities, their implications and the methods of investigating them further.

I assert that your remark, drwu, is no more applicable than its polar opposite, stating the gov stole the fragment to keep us from learning an alien vessel crashed in Roswell. Either perspective is premature, biased and a matter of convenience that allows us to lazily dismiss evidence and occurrences without further thought.

For example, there are many very interesting possibilities that I would want to know more about whether or not the circumstances had anything to do with an alleged alien spacecraft. Actually, I very, very seriously doubt an alien craft crashed in Roswell - and that potentially makes the situation all the more interesting. Maybe.

Think about it.

Or be too lazy to think about it.

The choice is up to each of us.

Jack Brewer
www.ufotrail.blogspot.com


Jack,

I think you are being a bit unfair to DrWu. You are reading too much into what he said.

For one thing, what makes you think that his statement is skeptical? As far as I can see, he was merely stating a fact - and one that I was thinking myself as i read your article. There have been claims of "alien artifacts" in the past - and many of them have allegedly disappeared under mysterious circumstances. I cannot think of specific examples off the top of my head, but I do recall reading about such cases in years past.

Secondly, you take him to task for using the term 'alien artifacts'. My question is, why? You would not have written your article or Kimbler have done the things he has done if there was not a suspicion that these little wads of foil had "unusual" origins. None of this would have happened if you or Kimbler suspected that the bitty wads of foil were nothing more unusual than wrappers from chewing gum.

I think Drwu has a valid point. And I think you have over-reacted to his simple observation. It has nothing to do with "being lazy". It is merely a relevant, off the cuff observation.....
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 6th, 2011, 2:30pm »

I dunno, bonehead. You make some points worthy of consideration, I suppose. I'm not sure you're right on all counts, but it's no big deal in the grand scheme.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 8th, 2013, 1:48pm »

It's really interesting how these pieces just up and go "missing"... wouldn't they be considered important? wink I wonder what else goes "missing" around the world...
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 8th, 2013, 2:30pm »

Since this thread has been brought back to life I will add my two cents. Would you ship a 20 caret diamond? IF it was Roswell debris then why would you ship something so valuable?
If true then the debris would be the smoking gun to prove that Roswell was an alien event and not a weather balloon. It would be asinine to let the debris out of sight much less to ship it to a university. Dan
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 8th, 2013, 3:27pm »

on Jul 8th, 2013, 2:30pm, GForce wrote:
Since this thread has been brought back to life I will add my two cents. Would you ship a 20 caret diamond? IF it was Roswell debris then why would you ship something so valuable?


If helpful to know, it was my understanding that a small sample of the larger find was shipped and reported lost. I am also under the impression that, at that point, Mr. Kimbler resolved to take the circumstances much more seriously. I have not followed the situation closely, however, since that point in time and I am not certain what further developments took place, if any of significance.

on Jul 8th, 2013, 2:30pm, GForce wrote:
If true then the debris would be the smoking gun to prove that Roswell was an alien event and not a weather balloon. It would be asinine to let the debris out of sight much less to ship it to a university. Dan


Again, it was not the entire find that was shipped to ASU, but a small sample. Also, there are many possibilities of potential interest in addition to the find might represent proof of aliens: it could also represent proof a man-made aerial vehicle went down.

I think that brings us to a very important, even if commonly overlooked, point in ufology: When the significance of any given event is viewed as whether or not aliens were present, we become oblivious to countless additional, interesting and important possibilities.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 8th, 2013, 6:53pm »

on Jul 8th, 2013, 3:27pm, jjflash wrote:
If helpful to know, it was my understanding that a small sample of the larger find was shipped and reported lost. I am also under the impression that, at that point, Mr. Kimbler resolved to take the circumstances much more seriously. I have not followed the situation closely, however, since that point in time and I am not certain what further developments took place, if any of significance.



Again, it was not the entire find that was shipped to ASU, but a small sample. Also, there are many possibilities of potential interest in addition to the find might represent proof of aliens: it could also represent proof a man-made aerial vehicle went down.

I think that brings us to a very important, even if commonly overlooked, point in ufology: When the significance of any given event is viewed as whether or not aliens were present, we become oblivious to countless additional, interesting and important possibilities.


Thanks JJ! Glad you cleared it up. However I would think if anything of substance IE results were found that showed a possible ET connection we would have heard of it by now. I don't think it would be kept under wraps. It might be interesting to look into it what was found.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 8th, 2013, 7:37pm »

If you were to find a bit of metal like a wadded gum wrapper, and thought it might be part of a spaceship from Mars, just how would you pack it for a trip to a lab?
What efforts would you take to insure that if the package were opened the object would be identifiable as something important, and NOT a gum wrapper?
And why do these things only go missing on the way to a lab? Why aren't they just burgled?
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 8th, 2013, 8:03pm »

And therein is the extent of the monitoring of our personal dealings.
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