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xx "A Roswell Tale" by Don Ecker
« Thread started on: Dec 12th, 2011, 1:42pm »

Not really a tale per say but rather an account of an alleged witness of the alleged Roswell-crash.

Don Ecker is the former director of research for the UFO Magazine and a UFO-researcher and host of the radio show "Dark Matters Radio", a show which I can highly recommend.

A Roswell Tale
by Don Ecker on Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 20:58

In April of 1994 I was asked by the television program “Hard Copy” to travel down to Roswell New Mexico to examine some footage taken by Mr. Jose Escamilla of odd and unusual video artifacts he called “rods”. During that trip I was accompanied by my friend Dwight Schultz. Schultz was very interested in the overall UFO topic and this was the first time either of us had visited Roswell.

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At that time there were two UFO museums in operation. We stopped by the “International UFO Museum and Research Center” then prior to getting ready to leave, the “John Price UFO Museum”, now no longer in operation.



Upon introducing myself and Schultz to Price, he informed me that he had just met a man who claimed to have been an airman at the 509th during the infamous UFO incident. This elderly gentleman was in the back going thru a 509th annual that Price had, looking for his photograph. We entered the back and I introduced Schultz and myself and then we started chatting after this gentleman, Mr. Thomas Gonsalves, found his photograph. He had been a part of T Squadron and as he told us, his squadron had been one group that had been tasked to help clean up the crash site.

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Now, during this interview of Mr. Gonsalves he told me two things that shocked me. First, Mr. Gonsalves stated emphatically that he saw bodies that he referred to as “Moon men.” He made no bones that these travelers were alien. He stated that one was still alive when he saw him, and that this being communicated with him using what must have been telepathy. The second thing he stated was that he had “palmed” a piece of the wreak that he kept. This artifact, according to what he said, was still in his possession. I must say, we were more than intrigued. The problem was, we had to leave because we were due to fly out of Roswell to make our connections back to Los Angles.

Upon reaching the small airport we found out that our flight on Mesa Airlines was delayed because there was a problem with the aircraft. We ended up having to stay another night so I called John Price to inquire about Mr. Gonsalves. Price told me that after we left he also took off and neither Price or I thought to get contact information. All I knew was that at the time Mr. Gonsalves lived in Tomball, Texas.



Upon returning back to LA I called Price again and he had no information on what happened to Mr. Gonsalves. I began trying to track him down. I contacted the Post Office in Tomball, and began calling everyone named Gonsalves in the area that I could locate. I finally ended up reaching one of his sons. He had one hell of a story to tell me. Not long before, a year or two, Mr. Gonsalves wife of about 50 years had passed on. (At the time Mr. Gonsalves was about 78 or 79 years of age.) He ended up moving in with one of his unmarried daughters who had one or two children. As was explained to me, this woman then took over his finances and money. It seemed that there was contention between this lady and her father. One day Mr. Gonsalves saw a promo on television of Paul Davids movie “Roswell.” Mr. Gonsalves thought it was actually a military re-union of the 509th Bomb Group and decided he would go to Roswell to meet up with his old buddies. He told no one, just bought a bus ticket and left. None of his kids knew where he was and frantically they contacted their police department. A BOLO was put out on Mr. Gonsalves and somehow the police in Roswell found him, saw the BOLO and contacted the family. They drove up to Roswell and picked him up. When I contacted the son, he was already back in Tomball and we made arrangements to fly over to meet the family and see him.

My wife Vicki and Dwight Schultz and I flew down to Houston, rented a car and drove over to Tomball. As we found out, Mr. Gonsalves former home had been condemned by either the city or county and it had been “red tagged.” When I asked about the piece of wreckage he claimed to have, the family told me that he had kept it on top of his TV for years. One of the kids found a family photo that showed this “lump” lying on top of his TV. However, no one knew where it was now. After Mr. Gonsalves had moved in with his daughter, all of his belongings were stored in a rental shed and this daughter had the keys. Vicki, Dwight and I asked if we could search through his old home and they agreed. We spent a day crawling through the old house and found nothing but one hell of a lot of bug bites. If this thing was still around, it had to be in the storage shed but that daughter refused to release the key for the shed, she was still pissed off that her dad had shut off the money spigot. We never did see this alleged piece of a flying saucer.

I interviewed Mr. Gonsalves on video however, and before we left he presented me with four carvings of his “Moon Men” that he reported having witnessed.

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Mr. Gonsalves has passed on and this chapter is closed. However, if this event happened, I know there has to be a piece or pieces that some of those GI’s kept. Will they ever surface? Who knows.

Don Ecker

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xx Re: "A Roswell Tale" by Don Ecker
« Reply #1 on: Dec 12th, 2011, 1:48pm »

Of course this is just another account of the alleged Roswell-crash but I still find it highly intriguing. What I find interesting are his carvings.

By reading this account again I got to ask Mr. Ecker if he can recall if they found Mr. Gonsalves' pic in that yearbook. If so then it would confirm at least that he served in that squadron at that time.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 25th, 2013, 1:53pm »

For what it may or may not be worth, and what it may or may not indicate:


Reynolds publishes long awaited post on Roswell Dream Team alleged evidence

Orlando Paranormal Examiner

September 24, 2013

Rich Reynolds published a post Tuesday at his blog 'The UFO Iconoclast(s)' describing alleged new evidence of the ever elusive Roswell crash of UFO lore. After having hinted at contents of the story for months, Mr. Reynolds offered an account apparently authored by an anonymous party claiming the existence of yet to be released photographic slides of unusual and incapacitated bodies. The anonymous writer suggested photos contained on the slides were originally created in 1947 by geologists who happened upon the Roswell wreckage, and that the slides were more recently obtained by a group of UFO researchers that includes Anthony Bragalia and Kevin Randle. The Roswell Dream Team, as the collection of UFO researchers has come to be known, has been criticized for failing to present hard evidence to support what some describe as unreasonably stubborn and persistent belief an alien craft was retrieved from Roswell.

It was unclear exactly what was supposed to be unusual about the alleged bodies photographed. CNN was allegedly approached concerning the purported new evidence, the blog post stated, but the network declined interest in the story.

“Folks... bogus information from Richard Reynolds... and from anonymous,” Anthony Bragalia wrote in seeming objection in the comments section of the post. “He is threading a tale to create whole cloth... but there are too many whole's [sic] in Mr. Reynolds [sic] tale.”

Reynolds was offered an opportunity to expand upon the unfolding situation. Tuesday evening he simply stated that comments from others should be followed at the blog post and that he would supplement those comments as needed. Kevin Randle did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 26th, 2013, 3:26pm »

Re-reading the initial post, there is something that does not quite add-up for me, and that is the statement about Mr. Gonsalves's daughter being mad about "the money being shut off"..

Well if she was indeed interested in money (as are most people) why wouldn't someone tell her that Roswell Saucer debris could be worth millions....?

Which she would then at least go look for the Lump herself...
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 26th, 2013, 4:26pm »

Kevin Randle: Not involved in investigation of slides

Orlando Paranormal Examiner

September 25, 2013

UFO researcher and Roswell Dream Team member Kevin Randle told 'Orlando Paranormal Examiner' Wednesday that he has not been involved in the investigation of photographic slides of alleged aliens as recently described by blogger Rich Reynolds. “I have seen no photographs, slides, or pictures of alien creatures associated with the Roswell crash,” Randle explained. “I have participated in no investigations of such slides.”

Reynolds made several posts in recent months suggesting the Dream Team had access to slides containing images of bodies possibly associated with the Roswell event of 1947. Public opinion has been mixed on how any such slides should be handled, as well as their potential relevance.

Some suspect the slides may depict bodies of alien visitors. Others suspect the bodies may provide evidence that supports theories related to experiments involving diseased humans as put forth by such researchers as Nick Redfern. Yet others argue the origin and authenticity of such photos would have to be established before their content could be relevant.

Some have suggested the chain of events may have been related to some kind of publicity stunt in which Dream Team members may have attempted to increase attention to themselves and profit financially. Commenting on such issues, Randle stated, “As for the nonsense that we have generated this to create an opportunity to make money, I would like someone to explain how we are doing this... With the exception of Tony [Bragalia], none of us are in any sort of regular communication with Reynolds, and we would certainly find a better way of advertising the product.”

Randle additionally stated that he had no knowledge of anyone approaching CNN with the story as suggested on Reynolds' blog, adding, "I just don't know where that particular rumor sprouted."

To what extent anyone other than Randle may be conducting an investigation as described by Reynolds and his currently anonymous source will remain unconfirmed, at least for the time being. Several reasons investigators might keep such information private prior to a planned public disclosure have been discussed at a number of venues. Whatever the prevailing reasons may ultimately prove to be, the unfolding circumstances demonstrate numerous challenges with the process.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 26th, 2013, 9:38pm »

Paul Kimball weighed in on the unfolding chain of events in The Roswell "Dream Team" Nightmare.

Numerous comments from a variety of parties may be viewed at Rich Reynolds' blog, including here:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20822056&postID=8893359658569867899
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 3rd, 2013, 9:43pm »

Kevin Randle offers further comments on the events of the past couple weeks with his blog post, Death of a Dream.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 4th, 2013, 01:06am »

I swear JJ I almost died laughing. I thought I was reading about an old Gypsy bait and switch scam. The item on top of the TV and greedy daughter was a nice touch and Gonsalvo going to meet with the ghosts of the 509 was precious.
The NDA, and concern over chain of custody made it sound soooo official.
I was tickled at the massive clash of Egos at the PK site..and KRs..I expected no less from any of them..
Say I wonder where that last name Gonsalvo originated from..its not Spanish..Is it Portuguese or Romanian.?.just curious..We've had Adam Jiminez..Victor Martinez..that one was odd to me..
Sad...The UFO waterhole has really shrunk..as far as Roswell goes..and the pickins is really slim to nothing with everyone dead..
Thanx for the action report it was fun reading! grin
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 4th, 2013, 12:35pm »

Hey, Sys_Config, just for the sake of clarity, the OP philliman started and the recent posts I made deal with different alleged objects. I chose to make my posts in this thread to try and minimize the constant addition of new threads, many of which keep dealing with the same general topic. Hope I did not create unnecessary confusion.

Nonetheless, your general points remain valid, and, ironically, the specific objects in question are little more than trivialities. Perhaps the real story in the latest Roswell wreck, and throughout both ufology and the Fortean community, is that a profound lack of tangible evidence results in researchers clinging to other things. Integrity, honesty, dishonesty and similar characteristics keep getting scrutinized, as if doing so could ever confirm or invalidate any given theory, as compared to just observing the quality or lack thereof of the research conducted and presented.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 10th, 2013, 3:38pm »

The chainsaw blues

By Billy Cox, Herald-Tribune
/ Wednesday, October 9, 2013

There’s a scene in “Parkland,” the new film about the JFK assassination, where a shaken Abraham Zapruder, played by Paul Giamatti, has this horrific moment of clarity. Not only has he witnessed and inadvertently filmed the breathtaking murder of his hero, he understands his life, and his family’s life, will never be the same.

In the blink of an eye, Zapruder has been blasted from anonymity into the glare of multiple law-enforcement agencies. His phone rings off the hook. The media is playing tug-of-war hardball for exclusive publishing rights. Behind closed door, a Life magazine editor has an inside track on fee negotiations. Anguished, guilt-addled, the Dallas clothing manufacturer rightly insists his first priority is to protect the security of his family, whose privacy will be turned inside out through no fault of his own.

Life would ultimately purchase the images for $150,000; Zapruder would donate $25,000 to the widow of Dallas PD officer J.D. Tippit, slain minutes after Kennedy was gunned down. Zapruder would never use the Bell and Howell Zoomatic camera again. Nor would the reluctant eyewitness to history keep a copy of the footage that everyone wanted. He died in 1970 at 65. Time flies.

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"Opinion is that exercise of the human will which helps us to make a decision without information" -- educator John Erskine/CREDIT: belch.com

You may have read about the latest Roswell controversy involving two Kodachrome slides rumored to show a dead alien recovered from the alleged 1947 crash site. The reason we’re hearing about it now is that a member of the small informal group of researchers — known as the “Roswell Dream Team,” an extremely unfortunate moniker — shared information with a trigger-happy outside player, and the whole thing blew up on the Internet before their investigation was complete. It’s easy to get lost in the details, but team member Kevin Randle issued a mea culpa summary last week.

De Void, of course, has no skin in the game and has no idea about what's what. Given the “Alien Autopsy” fiasco of 1995, De Void’s suspicions here are visceral. However. What’s different this time is that, if the tale is true, the owner of the photos isn’t shopping for the highest bidder — he’s apparently scared sh*tless about having his name linked to them. Which, in the context of UFOs, sounds absolutely, perfectly, unambiguously and unremarkably sane.

Tony Bragalia is one of the researchers. He’s a Sarasota hometown guy and we’ve talked on a number of occasions. He’s an executive talent scout and he knows how and where to root out information. He’s been on the Roswell trail for years and financed his research out of his own pocket. He says he’s met the owner of the photos and seen the pix personally. “They’re both in full color and extremely close,” he says.

Story in a nutshell: an estate-cleaning outfit discovers the slides stashed in an envelope inside an attic trunk belonging to a deceased and apparently respected geologist working the Texas-New Mexico region for oil exploration in the 1940s. The geologist and his late wife have no heirs. The slides are brought to the attention of the business owner, who has read Witness to Roswell by Thomas Carey and Donald Schmitt. The guy makes a few calls, out of curiosity. Bragalia gets pulled into the investigation last year.

In many ways, it’s a fool’s errand. Even if, as Bragalia contends, the slides have been authenticated as vintage 1947 stock, the images could’ve been staged. The photographer is unknown. The time and location of the shots are unknown. The geologist is dead. Still, given the potential stakes, research proceeds, delving into the geologist’s friends, professional associates, the paper trail, the gritty thankless stuff that might produce the unanticipated revelation, or maybe another circumstantial payoff.

Then, last month, word of the photos splatters urgently onto the Internet, which forces the researchers to respond. The blogosphere lights up with accusations and invective, character attacks and omniscient screeds from The Excluded, who have no more information than I do. After fielding late-night phone calls from angry strangers demanding to see the photos, Bragalia, who has never possessed them, delivers his own retort. The subsequent comment threads merely validate the slide owner’s aversion to going public. Things like “The slides either don't exist or they're fake and someone is the victim of a scam,” “Pure, unassailable Bullshit,” “put up or shut up,” and “YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!”

Yeah, put me in, coach ...

“How people can comment on evidence that hasn’t been presented yet is beyond me. The drama and the politics over this thing have overwhelmed the investigation,” says Bragalia, who drew fire from the "believer" side for proving, last year, to his satisfaction, the famous 1964 Socorro UFO incident was a student hoax. “We’ve found out a lot -- the back story, the chain of custody, the provenance of the film has been well established. But why present the evidence prematurely? An attorney representing clients wouldn’t ask a judge to make an early determination until he’d completed his own investigation.”

Bragalia says the investigation is continuing, but without the photo owner coming forward to explain, this one's stillborn. But De Void gets it. Fifty years ago, confronted with the obligations of justice and history, Abraham Zapruder made the only choice he could. In a real sense, his life was no longer his own. At least his troubles were worth a measure of financial compensation.

But imagine if you stumbled across something far murkier, something potentially Earth-rocking but also, perhaps, no more substantial than a Whoopee cushion. You have no agenda because you honestly don’t know what you’re dealing with. But it defies conventional wisdom. Stepping up will provoke swift and unpredictable emotional reaction, some of it inevitably unstable. Whatever money you could get for it — if you wanted to play that angle — would never be enough to buy back the blessed obscurity you forfeited on the gamble that your exhibit might write, or re-write, history.

Right. Sorry, history -- you lose.

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 10th, 2013, 4:06pm »

That's a great article by Cox. I'm currently reading A Witness to Roswell by Thomas Carey and Donald Schmitt. In it they paint a picture of Mack Brazel, the rancher who discovered the debris field, as a reluctant witness who faced days of imprisonment and interrogation after tipping off the military of his discovery. According to this account of the Roswell case, Brazel and many others went through hell because of what they saw, and in the case of Brazel, he was a changed man after that.

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« Reply #11 on: Oct 10th, 2013, 5:11pm »

That is a reasonably accurate summary by Cox of the chain of events, from my point of view. I might differ a bit on his interpretations of Bragalia's roles and stances. I generally feel Cox offers the ETH more credibility and leniency than it deserves, and I think he may be doing so a bit in framing Bragalia's actions in this case. Much of Bragalia's comments and stances may be viewed on Reynolds' blog, The UFO Iconocalst(s), where he frequently posts.

A comment I found interesting during the chain of posts was made by a reader who wrote something to the effect, "The slides are like a psychological inkblot test without the inkblots."
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