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« Thread started on: Nov 23rd, 2014, 12:22pm »

Some info on the alleged Roswell slides:

on Nov 16th, 2014, 09:23am, jjflash wrote:
Alejandro Rojas has now posted a not so formulaic piece on the American University event. I think it is nice work on his part. Kean seems to be trying to distance herself from the Roswell slides and claims, while some AU organizers of the event are doing some backpedaling as well. Rojas summarizes it rather effectively, imo, touching on some of the key issues:

http://www.openminds.tv/roswell-ufo-researcher-claims-picture-aliens/30977


on Nov 21st, 2014, 2:24pm, Swamprat wrote:
Notes from the American University's UFO Conference:


Now let's see them pix!!!


By Billy Cox, Herald-Tribune
Thursday, November 20, 2014

American University cinema instructor John Weiskopf was absolutely jazzed with the way last week’s “UFOs: Encounters by Generals, Pilots and Government Officials” conference worked out. And it wasn't just him.

“The school is extremely pleased, and they had previously been a little wary,” he said after the first — albeit brief, at three hours — university-sponsored UFO conference in memory. “There were literally close to two dozen people who helped us produce the event. Every single person was in sync in what I would definitely call an historic event. It was a remarkable day and I think American University really set a standard. It was the tone — it wasn’t sensationalistic.”

Um, well, sort of not. The key here, said Weiskopf, was scheduling a lineup of speakers based largely on author Leslie Kean’s sober assessment of the phenomenon, UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record. She and two of the book’s chief contributors — former NASA scientist Richard Haines and retired Air Force colonel Charles Halt — were on the panel. But so was Thomas Carey, longtime investigator of the 1947 Roswell Incident, an event so thoroughly analyzed, cogitated, muddied, exploited, debated, disputed, contested, disfigured, wrangled, mangled, hashed, rehashed and overexposed, it has become synonymous with futility, if not cliche.

And, of course, the only major media outlet to cover the AU discussion — Washington’s news-talk station, WTOP — couldn’t help but catch the shiny Roswell bling and lead with it, big time. Who wouldn’t? After all, Carey, co-author of Witness To Roswell, claimed to have the “smoking gun” — two color Kodachrome slides, allegedly stock-dated to 1947, that purport to show a glass-encased alien cadaver.
The Kodachrome controversy has been percolating for nearly two years now, and the acrimonious fallout says far more about human ego than it does about the evidence at hand. In fact, no one outside a select few have actually seen that evidence, which Carey promised nearly 200 AU audience members would be released sometime next year. But what a tease.

The corpse, he said as reported by WTOP, was “3 and a half to 4 feet tall, the head is almost insect-like. The head has been severed, and there’s been a partial autopsy; the innards have been removed, and we believe the cadaver has been embalmed, at least at the time this picture was taken. The owners of the slide — it’s an amazing story. The woman was a high-powered Midland, Texas, lawyer with a pilot’s license. We think she was involved in intelligence in World War II, and her husband was a field geologist for an oil company.”

“Well, that was pretty sensational,” admitted Weiskopf, whose first and foremost obligation was to AU students enrolled in his “Alien Contact: Science and Science Fiction” honors course. “But I wanted to balance it out with a more popularized speaker, and Roswell is still in the popular mind.”

True that. If the points that other panelists hoped to score with larger audiences got eclipsed by the Roswell presentation, no one chose to vent on the record. Haines, whose National Aviation Reporting Center On Anomalous Phenomena focuses on aircraft safety posed by The Great Taboo, volunteered nothing but praise for AU’s hosting “such a controversial subject in an open and publicized way. I personally hope that this event might encourage other institutions of higher learning to do the same, both within their own honors program departments and also within other main-line departments.”

Halt, whose own startling UFO encounter at a U.S. airbase in southeast England in 1980 continues to provoke debate, said he was “extremely impressed” by AU’s adventurous initiative. Nevertheless, “Don’t hold your breath waiting for another university to step up,” he cautioned in an email. “Most are afraid to accept the truth and are fearful of being pilloried by the media. That said,” he added, “I see (this) as (a) glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.”

Ever the diplomat, Kean preferred to concentrate on bridge maintenance, with an eye to the future. “AU did a superb job and everything went smoothly — and it’s amazing that they did it and got such a favorable response,” she said. “So it was extremely positive.”

‘Nuff said. At least for now.

http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/14944/now-lets-see-them-pix/

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« Reply #1 on: Nov 23rd, 2014, 12:25pm »

Roswell Slides Saga Involved Email Hacks and Surveillance, Community Member Claims

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November 23, 2014

Ross, a commenter at the 'UFO Conjecture(s)' blog, stated today in an email exchange with 'The UFO Trail' that his email and the accounts of some high profile UFO-researchers were hacked in relation to the alleged Roswell slides. Ross further stated that he believed "a three letter agency" was responsible.

Ross stated that he assumed he was initially targeted due to his involvement in email exchanges about the slides. He first got involved in the saga, he indicated, about 18 months ago through reading 'UFO Conjecture(s)' and exchanging emails with its author, Rich Reynolds.

"The 'hacking' thing involved Tony Bragalia, Rich Reynolds, Nick Redfern and myself," Ross wrote.

"Based on the resources required to do what I think they were doing; intercepting our comms as opposed to just 'hacking' and just the way things transpired I'm of the opinion this was a three letter agency," he added.

The party responsible for compromising the emails was obviously interested in the slides, Ross explained, and generally caused disruption.

"My instinct was that whoever we were dealing with had a sophisticated operation behind them," Ross wrote, "and figured I may as well try communicating to see what they have to say (the hacker used various safe-mail accounts to interact with us)."

Ross continued, "The first response I received to a communication I had initiated was a list of emails which were mostly discussions about the slides, but there was some unrelated material there (which I discarded). This was obviously the hacker wanting to let me know the extent of the surveillance. There was a lot of smoke and mirrors, but overall the story was that these slides were of interest to certain three letter agencies. There were offers of money, a sit down meeting with someone fully briefed in what the government really knows about UFOs, and even the opportunity to see for real what the slides supposedly depict. All these offers were related to my acting as a conduit to arrange a meeting between the people handling the slides and the party/parties doing the 'hacking'. This wasn't something I was in a position to set up not being in contact with or on good terms with the people involved."

Ross alleged that further intrusions involved telephone disruptions, explaining, "I got some strange calls and some even stranger interruptions into calls I was making. It would be things like 'have you considered our offer', 'we can help each other', that kind of thing. I had kept that part quiet because people just tend to write people who say stuff like that off as loons."

The events unfolded "over the last few months," subsiding in the last six weeks or so. Ross interpreted that computer experts and the FBI were alerted to the circumstances but investigations resulted in "dead ends".

"It was clear to me that what they were engaged in was a labor, it wasn't recreational, it was a case of this is how we do this and it has to be done. For example, 'these issues crop up from time to time and it is important that we deal with them so they can be managed in a way consistent with established practices', which was an answer as to what was with all the smoke and mirrors and bullshit riddles."

"I think the goal was to spook people," Ross concluded, "to derail the slides investigation and to attempt to recruit people into a conspiracy with the ultimate goal of securing the slide material on their behalf."

Prior to the email exchange with Ross, attempts were made to obtain comments from writer/researcher Thomas Carey about his statements about the slides during his recent appearance at American University. Carey was emailed Nov. 13 and permission was requested to submit a few questions, to which Carey replied the same day, "Sure."

The questions, which included inquiries about what evidence he felt existed that directly linked the alleged slides to Roswell and what he would say to critics that assert the slides only contain images of unknown circumstances that cannot be conclusively demonstrated to involve an ET life form, were emailed Nov. 14. After receiving no responses, a reminder that his comments would be appreciated was sent Nov. 18. As of this post, no further emails have been received from Carey.

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http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2014/11/roswell-slides-saga-involved-email.html
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 25th, 2014, 12:05pm »

Redfern posts some brief but direct statements about the allegations of email hacking related to the alleged Roswell slides:

Roswell Slides: The Latest

Nick Redfern's World of Whatever...

November 25, 2014

The latest on the "Roswell slides" issue...

You'll see a reference in the link to various people having been hacked by someone trying to secure more info on the slides. You'll also see a reference to one of those people who got hacked being me - which is absolutely true.

All of this occurred back in the summer...but the matter is far from over...
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 25th, 2014, 8:06pm »

This is starting to get really stinky. When I first came across this a few days ago, it reminded me of that wonderfully hokey experience Len Stringfield had decades ago, where he was followed home on a train or something by what looked and acted like a real-life Boris & Natasha. It reads like a campy bit of theater. Who knows what that was all about. If only I could find it!

The hacker/fake FBI agent or whoever sounds like some clown in his mom's basement. Someone who knows the episode numbers of all the X Files shows. If Bill Cooper were still around, he'd be my top suspect.

And now this! Holy crap!

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/11/anthony-bragalia-roswell-slides-and-ufo.html

I'm not a fan of either Bragalia or Reynonlds, so I hope there is some popcorn left over there in the religion thread. grin

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 26th, 2014, 5:43pm »

More up now at the blogs of Nick Redfern, Kevin Randle and Rich Reynolds. Comment sections contain some salient points in some instances. As Redfern suggested, I anticipate more developments and public statements to eventually unfold.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 26th, 2014, 9:03pm »

Well, my little brain hurts from all this. Can someone give a simple brief synopsis of this whole deal?

I see it as someone saying that have these slides proven to be from 1947 showing some dead ET's. Others say no and there's all kinds of intrigue surrounding it. Yet there's no way of confirming any of it. Is it a null story and par for the course?
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on Nov 26th, 2014, 9:03pm, GhostofEd wrote:
Well, my little brain hurts from all this. Can someone give a simple brief synopsis of this whole deal?

I see it as someone saying that have these slides proven to be from 1947 showing some dead ET's. Others say no and there's all kinds of intrigue surrounding it. Yet there's no way of confirming any of it. Is it a null story and par for the course?


Hi, GhostofEd,

As you surmised, the Roswell slides story is a complicated matter. To summarize, my interpretation would be that a chain of ill advised actions and unresolved questions culminated into a story long on claims and short on verifiable evidence.

At this point, there are at least two primary issues, relatively independent of one another: The alleged slides, and the alleged email hacking and telephone surveillance. Each require ample evidence presented in order to confirm exactly what has taken place and who has been responsible.
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« Reply #7 on: May 6th, 2015, 12:52am »

Meh, here's your alien:

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That's an image displayed tonight at the Be Witness event in Mexico City. It was purportedly taken from a slide found in the attic of a home that may have once belonged to a deceased woman, Hilda Blair Ray, by a woman cleaning out the house. Over the course of about ten years she allegedly gave two such slides to her brother, who allegedly shared them with filmmaker Adam Dew, who apparently contacted Tom Carey and company. The pro-Roswell investigators seem to like to think Blair Ray and the alleged slides can be linked to Roswell, or, as Rosetta at 'UFO Skepticisme' once described the saga, "[T]he witness who saw the man who saw the man who saw the man who saw the bear."

From what I understand following along on Twitter, an image purportedly from the second alleged slide was similar but darker. I'm not going to even begin to try to address what all's wrong with this scenario.
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« Reply #8 on: May 6th, 2015, 11:51am »

The reaction I have seen on the internet is that this is a really bad hoax, and ufologists are upset about this situation.
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« Reply #10 on: May 6th, 2015, 1:03pm »

I think financial disclosures are in order. I considered attempting to obtain statements from the promoters and participants about financial arrangements, but I decided I wasn't up for the hassle, and that it deflected attention away from the central theme of idiocy. I also felt we had learned from the Citizens Hearing on Disclosure that disclosure activists get pretty defensive when asked to disclose things.
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« Reply #11 on: May 6th, 2015, 9:51pm »

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell seems to support the Roswell Slides.

Again it has been brought up how Edgar Mitchell did a 9 hour space walk while in the 1960's, there was only enough air for 7 hours.

It is believe Edgar had alien help on the moon, and Edgar was sent to the moon because he was telepathic.

http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2015/05/roswell-alien-body-negative-found-in.html

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« Reply #12 on: May 8th, 2015, 12:32pm »

From the May 8 posting at 'The Anomalist':

"As to the disappointed punters who paid for what was expected to be a world-shaking revelation, it will be interesting to see what will happen if they want their money back for goods/services paid for but not provided. Where was the promised Edgar Mitchell? Where was the slide analyst? Where were the people who found and kept the slides for almost twenty years? In most Western countries such misrepresentation would be strong grounds for a refund."

Meanwhile, Redfern has a better than average theory on the possible origin of the Roswell Slides, circumstances we are apparently to believe the slide promoters and researchers investigated to their satisfaction prior to telling us they had a smoking gun that wasn't:

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/05/the-roswell-slides-finally-solved/
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« Reply #13 on: May 8th, 2015, 1:01pm »

Thanks to JJ for the link to the article by Redfern which explains a possible origin of the 'alien photo'.
BTW...in the lower right coner of the 'alien photo' seems to be the legs of a woman in a dress. A reflection perhaps of Hilda Ray as she took the photo at the museum..?
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« Reply #14 on: May 9th, 2015, 12:47am »

You're welcome. Thought we might discuss UFO-related stuff on this UFO forum every once in a while.

Might be the most relevant post yet on the Roswell Slides at Curt Collins' Blue Blurry Lines:

http://www.blueblurrylines.com/2015/05/the-placard-of-roswell-slides-final.html

A group of skeptically minded individuals have been studying the saga, and they think they were able to get a reading of the previously undecipherable placard. Says it's a mummified two-year old boy.

If they're right, there are serious implications of an intentional hoax.
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