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xx New Claims on Roswell?
« Thread started on: Apr 13th, 2017, 4:23pm »

Black Triangle Sighting (Crash) in Roswell, New Mexico on July 7, 1947

Sighting Basics
Case Number 83112
Date of the Sighting 1947-07-07 00:00
Date Submitted 2017-04-12 21:26 (Reported 70 Years Later)
Time Zone America/Denver
Source MUFON
Summary Wayne Schell with POTUS
Tags crash

Sighting Location
City Roswell
Region New Mexico
Coutntry US
Postal Code 46062

Sighting Details
My uncle was personal bodyguard to Harry S. Truman in 1947. They both went to Roswell at insistence of POTUS Truman in July 1947, after sneaking out of White House disguised as press. My uncle said they met a Major Easley at crash site. Major Easley promised the president that nothing from the crash would remain.

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ROSWELL UFO: Truman's secret crash site debrief, his body double, and the 'cover-up'

PRESIDENT Harry Truman visited the site of an alleged flying saucer crash in Roswell, New Mexico, to ensure that the "incident" was covered up from the world. it has shockingly been claimed.

By Jon Austin
PUBLISHED: Thu, Apr 13, 2017

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UFO investigators are looking at claims that President Truman and his personal bodyguard secretly visited the scene in July 1947, and were promised by a leading military official that there would be no trace left of the crash.

The Roswell myth has been at the heart of the UFO scene since in July 1947 the military sensationally announced in a press release it had found the remains of a crashed flying saucer in the desert nearby.

But the following day it retracted the statement, saying it was in fact a damaged US Air Force air balloon.

Witnesses later came forward to say there had been alien bodies within the "crashed craft", which along with the wreckage were then taken to the mysterious top-secret Area 51 military base in Nevada.

The conspiracy theories surrounding the events remain today.

The allegations were yesterday made to the US-based Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), which keeps a global database of alleged UFO and alien sightings.

It carries out investigations into some of the reports it receives.

In the report to MUFON an unnamed source said: "My Uncle was personal bodyguard to Harry S Truman in 1947.

"They both went to Roswell at the insistence of President Truman in July 1947 after sneaking out of White House disguised as press.

"My uncle said they met a Major Easley at crash site.

"Major Easley promised the President that nothing from the crash would remain."

Express.co.uk discovered a man has made similar claims on Facebook.


William Sells, from Noblesville, Indiana, whose profile says he is a retired "specialist" at the National Security Agency (NSA), said his uncle Wayne Schell had been personal bodyguard to President Truman, and had told him in the 1960s about the secret operation, which involved the use of a "double" of President Truman.

Mr Sells says he also previously held a "top-secret SI crypto clearance from the NSA."

He posted: "Harry and him left the White House in disguise to the crash site after Truman saw debris at Andrews Air Force Base (in Prince George's County, Maryland).

"The secret service instituted Operation Doppelganger and provided Harry Truman's double to make sure the press was unaware of Harry's real location.

"At first I did not believe him (Mr Schell) until we opened his military footlocker in his bedroom after his death around 1969.

"In there were letters from FDR and Truman along with glossy photos of the Yalta Conference with Churchill, Stalin and FDR."

He said his uncle lived in Middletown, Indiana, and ran a dairy farm after his secret service work.

He added: "He told me that Roswell was extraterrestrial and that the military swept the site.

"They met a Major named Edward Easley at the site and he promised Truman that nothing would remain and nothing would be said."

Express.co.uk could find no other record of a Wayne Schell linked to President Truman.

It is well documented, and among UFO circles, that Major Edwin Easley was the provost marshal at the Roswell Army Air Field at the time of the alleged crash and that he was responsible for base security.

Conspiracy theorists claim that dead aliens were found in the wreckage of the alleged crashed flying saucer but they were secretly hidden at a US air force base.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/791691/President-Harry-Truman-Roswell-UFO-Wayne-Schell-William-Sells

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xx Re: New Claims on Roswell?
« Reply #1 on: Apr 13th, 2017, 6:11pm »

Black Triangle crash in Roswell. shocked
Thanks Swamprat for finding this.

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« Reply #2 on: Apr 22nd, 2017, 11:10pm »

The bodies were taken to Area 51?

That would be a neat trick.

The Roswell crash was in 1947.

The facility at Area 51 did not exist in 1947. It was first built in 1955.

Wait -- let me guess.... The Air Force time traveled to the future to deliver the bodies.

Oh wait... that does not make sense either. The Roswell crash was in July 1947. The Air Force did not even exist until September 1947. Before then it was part of the Army -- the Army Air Corps.

If you are going to make up stories to post here, please, PLEASE spend a few minutes fact checking and getting the details right. Otherwise you just look like a silly troll.
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xx Re: New Claims on Roswell?
« Reply #3 on: Apr 23rd, 2017, 12:15am »

on Apr 22nd, 2017, 11:10pm, dave54 wrote:
The bodies were taken to Area 51?

That would be a neat trick.

The Roswell crash was in 1947.

The facility at Area 51 did not exist in 1947. It was first built in 1955.

Wait -- let me guess.... The Air Force time traveled to the future to deliver the bodies.

Oh wait... that does not make sense either. The Roswell crash was in July 1947. The Air Force did not even exist until September 1947. Before then it was part of the Army -- the Army Air Corps.

If you are going to make up stories to post here, please, PLEASE spend a few minutes fact checking and getting the details right. Otherwise you just look like a silly troll.


There was however a U.S. Army Air Force at the time ( June 20,1947- Sept. 17, 1947 ).

Check out also Indian Springs Air Force Auxiliary Field ( 1942).

Not saying this particular story is true however. Who really knows ?

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« Reply #4 on: Apr 23rd, 2017, 12:37am »

on Apr 23rd, 2017, 12:15am, A k 9 wrote:
There was however a U.S. Army Air Force at the time ( June 20,1947- Sept. 17, 1947 ).

Check out also Indian Springs Air Force Auxiliary Field ( 1942).

Not saying this particular story is true however. Who really knows ?

smiley




Wasn't there mining close to the area at one time ?




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« Reply #5 on: Apr 23rd, 2017, 01:31am »


Oops, my bad. 41 - 47 doggonit. Thx Wikipedia grin


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« Reply #6 on: Apr 23rd, 2017, 10:09am »

"If you are going to make up stories to post here, please, PLEASE spend a few minutes fact checking and getting the details right. Otherwise you just look like a silly troll."

Sorry, Dave. I don't make up stories to post here; I just pass along garbage I find on the internet for your expert appraisal.....

The first item was simply a report filed with MUFON, and the second item was an article published by the UK Express.

There was no mention of an "Area 51" that I saw. The statement was, "...they were secretly hidden at a US air force base." That could simply be a 2017 mis-statement for "Army Air Field", (location ??).

I noticed too, the use of Andrews Air Force Base being referenced for 1947. But that too, could have easily been a mis-statement for someone speaking in 2017. Andrews Field was named on 7 February 1945. It became Andrews Air Force Base in 1948.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 24th, 2017, 12:02am »

The second link specifically states witnesses claim the bodies were taken to Area 51.

There is so much BS, prevarication, and fantasy about the alleged Roswell crash I am beginning to have doubts the event ever occurred at all.

MUFON (AKA Moronic UFO Nutjobs) no longer has any credibility at all. I would not believe them if they said it gets dark at night.

My comment was directed at MUFON and the Express, not at any person here. I could also apply my comment to the Daily Mail and several other fake news sites.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 24th, 2017, 12:51am »

on Apr 24th, 2017, 12:02am, dave54 wrote:
The second link specifically states witnesses claim the bodies were taken to Area 51.

There is so much BS, prevarication, and fantasy about the alleged Roswell crash I am beginning to have doubts the event ever occurred at all.

MUFON (AKA Moronic UFO Nutjobs) no longer has any credibility at all. I would not believe them if they said it gets dark at night.

My comment was directed at MUFON and the Express, not at any person here. I could also apply my comment to the Daily Mail and several other fake news sites.


It DOES specifically state that about area 51.

Doubts ? Hmmm...It's a double edged sword.

Besides this article or any other, Should we believe the first actual Roswell newspaper report that brought all this to light or the second ?

Was the first a mistake or countered by being taken off the shelves and covered up because it may cause mass hysteria ?

Was it taken off the stands because it was a mistake knowing they had screwed up, or..... ?

I don't blame you for having mistrust Dave.....I'm not MUFON, or the Army, Air Force, or any other agency or 'whatever'. I'm a simple man.

Maybe you, maybe not, but, MANY of us already know the truth concerning E.T. regardless whether Roswell was a Joe or Shmoe.....

But yeah, verification does matter (for some). Good luck finding it ! wink

Verification finds you.....


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« Reply #9 on: Apr 24th, 2017, 10:25am »

I'm still convinced Roswell was indeed a weather balloon, or "some" human-built lighter than air device.....
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 24th, 2017, 11:09am »

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"I'm still convinced Roswell was indeed a weather balloon, or "some" human-built lighter than air device....."

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« Reply #11 on: Apr 24th, 2017, 1:54pm »

on Apr 24th, 2017, 10:25am, Swamprat wrote:
I'm still convinced Roswell was indeed a weather balloon, or "some" human-built lighter than air device.....


Maybe not a weather balloon, or the balloons from Project Mogul, but another top secret program?

I believe the various initial explanations were all a comedy of errors. The initial report of a crashed UFO was a hastily contrived cover story for the crash of a top secret project. Then someone high up in the Army realized that cover story was ludicrous, then revised it to a weather balloon. Later, the real project still being classified, revised the explanation again to Project Mogul, which by then was unclassified.

No bodies were taken to Area 51, which did not exist at that time. The initial reports never mentioned bodies at all. Bodies somehow got added to the narrative later. We see that a lot with older reports. Over time additional details that never were part of the original event magically appear.

As the years pass people come crawling out of the woodwork with their own stories of 'my neighbor's cousin's barber knows someone...' and eventually that fabrication becomes accepted as fact as it is now copied and pasted from website to website without anyone bothering to check against the original reports.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13th, 2017, 6:54pm »

on Apr 24th, 2017, 10:25am, Swamprat wrote:
I'm still convinced Roswell was indeed a weather balloon, or "some" human-built lighter than air device.....


I would tend to agree but I guess we will never know the truth.
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 14th, 2017, 12:25am »

on Apr 24th, 2017, 12:51am, Cliff-67 wrote:
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Besides this article or any other, Should we believe the first actual Roswell newspaper report that brought all this to light or the second ?

Was the first a mistake or countered by being taken off the shelves and covered up because it may cause mass hysteria ?

Was it taken off the stands because it was a mistake knowing they had screwed up, or..... ?


Or believe Brazell's original report to Sheriff Wilcox -- that he first spotted the debris field in the distance in mid June but did not actually visit the site until July 5, and the debris was "tinfoil, strips of rubber, and wooden sticks"? (his description). And after Wilcox visited the site the next day he reported the same to the Army base? The 2-3 week lag between Brazell's first spotting the debris and the Army's arrival on the scene makes the 'dazed alien wandering around' (which first appeared in Berlitzs' 1960 book, not in any original documentation) even more amazing. Friedman then increased the number of bodies from 2 to 8 and added a second crash site in his book.

Folklorists have invented a term to describe the phenomenon of how a small (non)event grows into mythic proportions over time -- Roswell Syndrome.
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« Reply #14 on: Jun 18th, 2017, 12:30pm »

on Apr 24th, 2017, 11:09am, ZETAR wrote:
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