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xx Black Flying Triangles? Military or Aliens?
« Thread started on: Jan 18th, 2011, 12:08pm »

The Black Flying Triangle UFO’s have been reported for numerous decades now. So what are they, a top secret military aircraft, the TR3-B, or are they actual alien spaceships?

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 18th, 2011, 12:48pm »

Could be both.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 18th, 2011, 2:20pm »

Black Flying Triangles? Military or Aliens?
How about Maliens? wink

Its shape does remind me of the delta shape some jets do have and so I wouldn't rule it out that it could be the new stealth fighter which replaced the F-117. Because when you send a jet to its retirement there's always something more superior which replaces it. That's at least how it's usually done. So I can't rule out that it could be a military craft. That's at least how I do feel about it.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 4:27pm »

i'm not buying military, and as for Aurora, i think it's just what it appears to be, a drawing.
If it is military, what have they been doing with them for the last 40 years? Loading them up with troops and heavy equipment to send to Iran and Afganistan?
No.
Use it's super tech. gagets to spy into caves to find
Bin Laden?
No
Joyriding?
yeah, if those BBT"s are ours, that seems about all we've been doing with them.

"hey, lets fly over Belgium!"
"sweet, do they have McDonalds?"
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 4:47pm »

on Jan 20th, 2011, 4:27pm, eddyb10 wrote:
i'm not buying military, and as for Aurora, i think it's just what it appears to be, a drawing.
If it is military, what have they been doing with them for the last 40 years? Loading them up with troops and heavy equipment to send to Iran and Afganistan?
No.
Use it's super tech. gagets to spy into caves to find
Bin Laden?
No
Joyriding?
yeah, if those BBT"s are ours, that seems about all we've been doing with them.

"hey, lets fly over Belgium!"
"sweet, do they have McDonalds?"


There's speculation that they could be used in some kind of conflict with ETs. They could be used for stealth operations of some kind, and may have weapons that cause effects that are unconventional. Unless we really know for sure what is going with the ET situation and government involvement, it'a hard to say the exact role they play, if any in that regard. I'm guessing you think the various whistleblowers who speak on the TR-3B and similar projects are just making it all up or spreading disinfo?

I don't know how you can be certain as to the limits of what we would be doing with them unless you have access to these black projects and know the big picture. Since it's secret, you can only imagine what they would be used for, and it looks like you're only looking at uses which wouldn't be that strange or secret to the public.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 9:49pm »

Nightime sightings of huge craft leaving and arriving at Dreamland for three decades almost guarantee that they're top secret military. Take note that these machines have been as large as two football fields, silent, and fast. Rumor has it that they're some kind of stealth blimp using an advanced, electrically powered drive.

Joyriding? Hardly. The SR71 was around performing useful missions for a long time (1964-1973) before the public got wind of them. And the only reason they were made public at that time is that there had been so much contact over North Korea involving them. There's no need hiding what's already been seen at full capacity. Right now the BBTs have only been seen flying low and slow. I'm sure they will fly near the ionosphere at very high speeds. Why? I've been observing something with that light arrangement up here at times. But it's so high up you can only tell that it's 1.)big, and 2.)fast. Nothing else is clear. But it always follows the same WNW course.

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« Reply #6 on: Jan 22nd, 2011, 08:41am »

And I was just reminded of a book by Tom Clancy which title I've actually forgotten right now. But it's about the cold war getting hot between Nato and the Soviets in the mid 1980s. There he describes a new secret aircraft used by the US which can't be detected by radar. As far as I can recall that book has been released in 1985 if I'm not wrong about that. As some of you remember that the public became aware of the F-117 and the B2-bomber during the first gulf war while indeed they already have been used at least during the 80s.

Just think of that the SR71-blackbird was already in service during the 60s and we the public heard about that plane in the late 70s/early 80s. Soon after that it has been sent to its retirement. Same happened last year with the F117. The blackbird itself does still look very futuristic. So it's no big stretch for me to assume that the plane they currently might have in use and which possibly replaced the F117 may look even more strange and futuristic as the F117 or the blackbird did.

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Title of the book was "Red Storm Rising". According to Amazon.com the hardcover version has been released in 1987(!):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-Storm-Rising-Tom-Clancy/dp/000223078X/ref=sr_1_49?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1295707502&sr=1-49
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 22nd, 2011, 08:56am »

My late husband and I had a sighting of one of the triangle crafts. There was one making appearances (both night time and daylight) in the skies over my town for three days running. Many people saw it. It was gigantic, sometimes fast moving, other times dead still, and at all times utterly silent. This was back in 1997. If we had that technology then, I'll eat my hat! The newspaper's claim that it was identified as a "stealth blimp" was systematically dismantled by many in the know who emphatically state there is no such animal.
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 6th, 2011, 11:27pm »

on Jan 22nd, 2011, 08:56am, Seeker wrote:
There was one making appearances (both night time and daylight) in the skies over my town for three days running. Many people saw it. It was gigantic, sometimes fast moving, other times dead still, and at all times utterly silent. This was back in 1997. If we had that technology then, I'll eat my hat!

Fear plays a great part in human motivation. I am not talking about overt abject terror, but the kind of soul consuming fear which compels fake skeptics and the media to do and say anything to dismiss that which haunts their soul. This is not an intellectual battle by any means, and the observation that you make here is right on Seeker. Sorry for the loss of your husband.

I spent years in Intelligence and over 2800 hours tracking and engaging (shooting down) high performance aircraft, missiles and working with the best pilots.

This ain't ours. But after reading the top 300 or so NIDS cases on BBD's or BT's, a couple things have become clear to me.

1. They are too large. Large craft are typically designed for a single mission. Designers do not make craft larger than they need to be. Even alien designers. This craft is designed for a single mission.

2. Three engines in each of the apex's of a triangle is an economist's design. That maximizes mission and minimizes cost. This designer has budget or resource constraints. This is not done just for aeronautics efficiency.

3. Their structure is not made for interstellar travel, it is made for footprint efficiency and the minimum number of loft engines to provide stability. 3 does the job of 4, but at 3/4 the cost....and 1/2 the cost of the hull.
engines = 3/4 Structure = 1/2 b x h

4. They are made to cloak and stealth. One lady described the panels as looking like "Elephant Skin" - this is classic anechoic coating. Probably the only thing which makes me think they are ours.

5. One Navy Minesweeper Cheif Petty Officer said that he saw his BBD doing a grid search just like he would do on a minesweeping role. But over a swamp....looking for DNA??

6. Why would our military collect DNA? from Swamps? And yes I do trust the word of a Minesweeper Chief Petty Officer more than I do a skeptic.

7. Why would we build gigantic craft which had no mission?

8. Why would ANYONE build gigantic craft which had no mission?

9. they light up and fly over areas where no Black programs aircraft would be allowed to. It would not be the decision of the crew..they could end up in prison.

10. I think these craft are made
- by non humans or an elite branch of humanity
- on earth
- for a single heavy duty mission and then disposal
- made to hide both in flight and in storage
- stay on earth, or go to moon at MOST....even the moon presents torsion difficulties with this structure
- hide DNA but not just DNA
- be fitted together in tight quarters
- hold a great deal of cargo

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« Reply #9 on: Sep 18th, 2011, 2:20pm »

Who's to say that all UFO's reported as alien spacecraft are not just top secret military craft? I mean, have you seen some of the the new stealth fighters that the U.S. has come out with? Im sure that back when these stealth fighters were still top secret, that many people probably mistaked them for alien ships. If someone would like to try to change my mind or convince me otherwise, please feel free to do so.
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 18th, 2011, 6:04pm »

on Sep 18th, 2011, 2:20pm, mrskeptic wrote:
Who's to say that all UFO's reported as alien spacecraft are not just top secret military craft? I mean, have you seen some of the the new stealth fighters that the U.S. has come out with? Im sure that back when these stealth fighters were still top secret, that many people probably mistaked them for alien ships. If someone would like to try to change my mind or convince me otherwise, please feel free to do so.


People who have seen and interacted with alien occupants of these craft would argue that some of them aren't ours. When you consider that information, you have to either believe that something is going on, or that all of these reports are lies or delusions. Some of the craft are reported to be enormous, beyond anything that seems practical or possible to be ours. Some of the cylinder and other unusually-shaped craft also seem like unlikely candidates to be ours, zipping off at high speeds and having no aerodynamic elements to their designs. These sorts of reports can be traced back at least many decades throughout the last century, when our technology was more primitive. Going back even further than that, before the invention or aircraft, there were still reports of unidentified flying objects, and I doubt that all of them were natural phenomenon, especially when observed by more educated individuals.

If we're strictly talking about triangles, then I don't doubt some are ours if not most. However, a lot of contactees report encounters with ETs in triangular craft, so if we want to believe as you do, we have to dismiss their reports. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but I think people should keep an open mind when looking at the issue as a whole.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 18th, 2011, 6:52pm »

Looks like Mister Skeptic hasn't done any homework before posting a provocative message. Even a superficial look at the mountain of reports from the past several decades will tell you that there are a lot of reports that cannot be crammed into that handy little category. Sure, lots of UFO reports are misidentifications, and many of those are sightings of military craft. Some fraction can be attributed to secret projects, but that's really a small part of the whole of the phenomenon. Trying to chalk them all up to sightings of secret military craft is ludicrous, frankly.

As usual, I recommend more reading. It makes all sorts of questions irrelevant, and causes one to ask better ones instead.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 18th, 2011, 6:54pm »

There are a few points I think most people are overlooking about these craft.

First, the leap from development to production is huge. It only gets hastened by something like a war. Case and point? The airplane. While militaries fielded crude biplanes in WWI, it took 25 years from the Wright Brothers to mass production. And that was shortened by the war.

Second, a delta is the best known shape for supersonic craft.

Third, the American Military started looking in other directions for heavy lifters in the 1960s. Why? The standard airframe design suffers greatly when overly large.

The triangles sound to me like they are some type of craft that has been developed, but the technology is still too revolutionary for mass production by modern industry. If it weren't, there would be more of them.
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 18th, 2011, 7:31pm »

on Sep 18th, 2011, 6:52pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Looks like Mister Skeptic hasn't done any homework before posting a provocative message. Even a superficial look at the mountain of reports from the past several decades will tell you that there are a lot of reports that cannot be crammed into that handy little category. Sure, lots of UFO reports are misidentifications, and many of those are sightings of military craft. Some fraction can be attributed to secret projects, but that's really a small part of the whole of the phenomenon. Trying to chalk them all up to sightings of secret military craft is ludicrous, frankly.

As usual, I recommend more reading. It makes all sorts of questions irrelevant, and causes one to ask better ones instead.


In no way was my earlier post meant to be provocative. If I offended you, or anyone else I am sorry, but I do believe the point I was trying to make was a relevent one.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 18th, 2011, 8:42pm »

on Sep 18th, 2011, 2:20pm, mrskeptic wrote:
Who's to say that all UFO's reported as alien spacecraft are not just top secret military craft?


I assume you don't realize just how much territory that statement takes in. "All UFOs reported as alien craft" is a bit misleading, actually, because most UFOs are reported as unknowns, but as I said, trying to squish that whole category of report (whatever boundaries may apply) into a tidy file labeled "Misidentified Secret Military Activity" or some other safe and mundane name is hopeless, no matter how much you twist, cherry pick, or otherwise misrepresent the data. We know that from the many, many attempts of the debunkers to do just that. It just does not work.

Again, even a quick look at the data available will make that plain. That is, assuming again, you take an honest look at the data. I'll suggest Vallee's work since it speaks to this in an intelligent, coherent, and highly readable way. Dimensions and Confrontations would be excellent places to start, though the regulars here could suggest many others.

We don't know what the unidentified UFOs are, or at least most of us would say that. What is remarkable about a small percentage of reports (but still a very significant number) is that they don't fit into any known category of behavior or capability, including wild extrapolations of suspected military developments with nary a whiff of substantiation.

Since you are interested enough to register here and participate in the discussion, I would encourage you to look deeper into the subject. Just don't expect to figure it out any time soon. grin
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