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xx Paul Kimball on Michael Salla
« Thread started on: Apr 12th, 2013, 4:08pm »

Forgive me for dredging up the past. It's just that I was looking at a recent link that featured Dr. Michael Salla, and I became curious about who exactly Salla was - especially his background.... questions like, why was he Dr. instead of Mr. etc.

I stumbled on this link:
http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/2005/03/case-against-michael-salla.html

In it, Paul Kimball (who himself I think might be a bit polarizing, in that he is in the thick of it, making films and calling some people credible and others to be shams) weighs in on Salla, and it's quite unflattering.

I think with the upcoming "DISCLOSURE OMG!" and this guy being a big disclosure and exo-politics figure, it's worth a read and burning some brain cells over.

It's hard to find any neutral bio on the guy. The only thing I found was some non-English wikipedia page, and I worried even with the google translate if I was missing the gist of what they were saying.

Here is the talk page concerning his entry being deleted. This also might give you an idea both of how wikipedia moderates its entries, and what they think of UFOlogy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Salla_(2nd_nomination)

And just to finish off the scrutiny of Salla, here's what was deleted from wikipedia...

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t4772-exopolitics-and-dr-michael-salla

Here's the big thing I want to note (if you made it this far down): I agree with Kimball on this. Forget that he supports Lazar... there are those of us on this board who do as well (though not me). But Cooper... Cooper was a special breed of crazy. You are in quite the minority if you give any credence to Cooper's thoughts on UFOlogy. And this is the guy who is (or claims to be) the father of Disclosure. Perhaps ad hominem. He himself could be crazy, or a hoaxter, or whatever, but that doesn't mean if he points to something real we should ignore it. It just means... don't hold your breath too hard.

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xx Re: Paul Kimball on Michael Salla
« Reply #1 on: May 6th, 2013, 11:32am »

That was nostalgic Reasoner! I remember the days I used to play a lot of Dungeon and Dragons! grin

Well, I peeked at the links you provided, and found his institute page:

http://exopoliticsinstitute.org/

The guy is actually selling courses about exopolitics! What a good person he is rolleyes

I cannot agree more with you Reasoner. Cooper was a crazy man, dominated by hatred, which turned him into an insane fellow. His extreme right winged christian beliefs blew his brain cells, I suppose.

The worst part is Salla actually using William´s madness as a credible source. Even worst, is this part mentioned by Kimball:

"All so-called leaks are intentional misinformation projects designed to promote the alien threat scenario while allowing for complete deniability on the part of the government. The antics of... William Moore, Jaime Shandera, Stanton T. Friedman, Bruce Maccabee (CIA / ONI)... Whitley Streiber, Bud [sic] Hopkins (CIA), John Lear (CIA), Linda Moulton-Howe... Colonel Philip Corso (CIA, a monumental liar now deceased)... and many other people are projects of this type. Some (very few) of these people are unwitting accomplices in the charade and truly believe in the extraterrestrial threat. Most of those named, and others not named, are active, and with full knowledge, agents of illuminism / socialism. The most well known are active Fellow Travelers, communist agents of the KGB, the Central Intelligence Agency, or one of the many psychological warfare agencies founded by the Rhodes Round Table Group (the Group), the Royal Institute of International Affairs, and the Council on Foreign Relations.

The really hilarious part (at some point you either have to laugh, or cry – I choose the former) is that Dr. Salla cites both John Lear and Philip Corso as credible sources in the same paper in which he cites William Cooper as a credible source, the same William Cooper who maintained that Corso was a “monumental liar” and that Lear was “CIA”. If there is a bigger jumble of contradictory statements and wilful blindness in ufology, I haven’t seen it yet. And yet Dr. Salla weaves it all into his story, never minding, as John Lydon might have said, the “bollocks.”

In other words, he had no idea what he was doing! He was just picking up stuff from some people that was doing ok at selling their garbage and used them to attract more people, their followers. This is a known tactic, used by others charlateans too.

I don´t support Bob Lazar, but I suppose it would be a lot better if he sticked with him, I suppose!

Im gonna take a look at the links Kimball provided. I will post here if I find something interesting!

Cheers!

Edit: Not worth mentioning. The links, like Kimball said, are full of Cooper and Salla´s madness. Their "documents" and "articles" cannot be even called as content or information. It´s full of personal opinions whitout any base whatsoever and 100% lacking any decent sources, most of it is made by hatred alone or pure imagination.

And some members around here have the guts to defend pseudoscience. rolleyes

And still regard themselves as researchers.
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xx Re: Paul Kimball on Michael Salla
« Reply #2 on: May 19th, 2013, 5:09pm »

Oh, don't get me started. Didn't knew who Salla was as I joined this field. They used to kiss his feet over at OM and used to call him "Dr. Salla" and called him a "researcher" so I assumed that he must be a good researcher. Later I had to find out that he's nothing like that and either naive, delusional or really just a snake oil salesman as some use to label him. The article at ufowatchdog.com mentions quite a few of his flaws:
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/michael_salla.htm

The courses he and some of his fellows use to offer are a big scam IMO. For example the "ambassador training". I believe a course costs around 375 $ upwards especially if you want to receive a "certificate". Don't ask me what that could be useful for. They believe they would be able to communicate with ETs if one day they would finally land on Earth. Silly. I'm sure the Greys or the Reppies would be impressed if you would wave around that certificate if they come to take you to probe your butt. Not mentioning here that you possibly would be paralyzed and couldn't wave at all. tongue rolleyes
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« Reply #3 on: May 23rd, 2013, 1:13pm »

on May 19th, 2013, 5:09pm, philliman wrote:
Oh, don't get me started. Didn't knew who Salla was as I joined this field. They used to kiss his feet over at OM and used to call him "Dr. Salla" and called him a "researcher" so I assumed that he must be a good researcher. Later I had to find out that he's nothing like that and either naive, delusional or really just a snake oil salesman as some use to label him. The article at ufowatchdog.com mentions quite a few of his flaws:
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/michael_salla.htm

The courses he and some of his fellows use to offer are a big scam IMO. For example the "ambassador training". I believe a course costs around 375 $ upwards especially if you want to receive a "certificate". Don't ask me what that could be useful for. They believe they would be able to communicate with ETs if one day they would finally land on Earth. Silly. I'm sure the Greys or the Reppies would be impressed if you would wave around that certificate if they come to take you to probe your butt. Not mentioning here that you possibly would be paralyzed and couldn't wave at all. tongue rolleyes


For mentioning the infamous anal probe, philliman, I hereby knight thee Sir Loin of Beef. grin

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« Reply #4 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 01:44am »

Friedman, Bruce Maccabee (CIA / ONI)... Whitley Streiber, Bud [sic] Hopkins (CIA), John Lear (CIA), Linda Moulton-Howe... Colonel Philip Corso (CIA, a monumental liar now deceased)... and many other people are projects of this type. Some (very few) of these people are unwitting accomplices in the charade and truly believe in the extraterrestrial threat.


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« Reply #5 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 11:22am »

on Feb 19th, 2016, 01:44am, jasmeen wrote:
Friedman, Bruce Maccabee (CIA / ONI)... Whitley Streiber, Bud [sic] Hopkins (CIA), John Lear (CIA), Linda Moulton-Howe... Colonel Philip Corso (CIA, a monumental liar now deceased)... and many other people are projects of this type. Some (very few) of these people are unwitting accomplices in the charade and truly believe in the extraterrestrial threat.


Interesting list of names.....so who do you think is worth listening to in the ufo arena or do you believe all ufologists and researchers are 'unwitting accomplices'..?

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« Reply #6 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 4:47pm »

The best agent is one who does not know he is an agent..or so I have read ..In the book Snowblind..I read where winning trip coupons were put in physically tampered with coffee jars..then the winner who would claim the trip to let us say Columbia..then on return the cocaine would be embedded somewhere in their baggage..if the unwitting prize winner was caught..they would have deniability..and no way to trace back.. grin
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 19th, 2016, 5:02pm »

^ Do aliens drink coffee (or snort cocaine)....? wink

At any rate I agree with 'jasmeen' in that none of those she listed win any awards from me. They all have some major issues (some are borderline wacko imho) when it comes to the ufo enigma.
The only one up there with any cred at all imho would be Friedman and I don't agree with many of his proclamations about ufos and aliens.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 20th, 2016, 4:27pm »

I am currently reading this book by Sala:

http://www.amazon.com/Exopolitics-Political-Implications-Extraterrestrial-Presence-ebook/dp/B00158SFNU/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456007098&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=exoolitics

Cannot say that I am all that thrilled with it but I am trying to get through it.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 10:36am »

on Feb 20th, 2016, 4:27pm, WingNut wrote:
I am currently reading this book by Sala:

http://www.amazon.com/Exopolitics-Political-Implications-Extraterrestrial-Presence-ebook/dp/B00158SFNU/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456007098&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=exoolitics

Cannot say that I am all that thrilled with it but I am trying to get through it.


When you are done I'd like to know what Sala's reasons are for believing that we have alien stuff and they are on earth. Does he cite his personal reasons or any cases that made him a 'believer'.?
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 21st, 2016, 1:50pm »

on Feb 21st, 2016, 10:36am, drwu23 wrote:
When you are done I'd like to know what Sala's reasons are for believing that we have alien stuff and they are on earth. Does he cite his personal reasons or any cases that made him a 'believer'.?


Will do...Might even start a thread for it.
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