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Obama Appoints UFO Disclosure Advocate Into Administration: Signs of Something To Come?

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/01/15/obama-appoints-ufo-disclosure-advocate-into-administration/

John Podesta was recently appointed as councillor to Barack Obama.(1)(2) The 64 year old former chief of staff to the Clinton administration will be dipping into matters that range from energy, to food safety and border enforcement, and who knows, possibly UFO disclosure? According to the Washington Post, Podesta is “one of the Democratic Party’s most seasoned political and policy operatives.”(2) He is also the founder of the Center for American Progress (CAP), a leading democratic public policy organization. Many people are starting to believe that democrats and republicans are just two wings of the same bird, and that the flight path doesn’t change. I echo this belief, but this appointment did gain my attention given the fact that John Podesta is an advocate for UFO disclosure.

In 2002, Podesta spoke at a news conference held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., where he urged the U.S. government to declassify UFO documents that are more than 25 years old.

“I’m skeptical about many things, including the notion that government always knows best, and that the people can’t be trusted with the truth. The time to pull the curtain back on this subject is long overdue. We have statements from the most credible sources – those in a position to know – about a fascinating phenomenon, the nature of which is yet to be determined.” – John Podesta (taken from Leslie Kean’s 2010 New York Times bestseller, “UFOs: Generals, Pilots, And Government Officials Go On The Record,” where Podesta wrote the forward)

“I think it’s time to open the books, on questions that have remained in the dark on the question of government investigations of UFOs, it’s time to find out what the truth really is that’s out there. We ought to do it because it’s right, we ought to do it because the American people, and people around the world quite frankly can handle the truth, and we ought to do it because it’s the law.”- John Podesta (Taken from the video below)

“It is time for the government to declassify records that are more than 25 years old, and to provide scientists with data that will assist in determining the real nature of this phenomenon”. – Johan Podesta (3)

The conference below was organized by the Coalition for Freedom of Information. Last month, TIME magazine listed five topics that Podesta and Obama haven’t agreed on. These include drone secrecy, NSA spying, Afghanistan, the American Political System ,and UFOs.



Podesta brings up some interesting facts from the quotes above. One of them being that we have statements from the most credible sources, those in a position to ‘know’. He is referring to generals, pilots, more high ranking political/military personnel , scientists and more. Not long ago, Former Canadian Minister of National Defense, Paul Hellyer said that there are “at least 4 known alien species that have been visiting Earth for thousands of years.” This is one statement from hundreds upon hundreds of people that have held positions that might be privy to this type of knowledge.

UFO disclosure in the United States might not be far away, dozens of governments all over the world have already admitted to the UFO phenomenon being real. They’ve admitted to tracking them on radar, and scrambling jets to check them out. For example, here is a batch of files pertaining to the UK government’s involvement in UFO investigations. Here is a batch of documents that were declassified by the NSA.

I would also like to point out that if the Obama administration were to disclose this information, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are telling the truth. Manipulation of perception regarding real events has been a common theme throughout history, war is one example. The real story behind the phenomenon is usually something other than what we’ve been told by corporate media. We don’t need the ones “we appointed” to be our source for information, each and every individual is capable of doing it themselves. It doesn’t hurt to do a little critical thinking every now and then. At the same time, individuals within the ‘elitist,’ realm might be going through their own little awakening, throwing judgement at something is never the correct thing to do, and some that play within the game of politics and government might want to see full transparency of information.

There are thousands of interesting, declassified documents out there in the public domain, and you can bet that there are even more that remain classified. Here is a video from Richard Dolan giving a very brief, quick introduction to the UFO cover-up for those of you who are new to the subject.



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(1) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/podesta-s-push-for-executive-power-raises-stakes-on-obama-agenda.html

(2)http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/john-podesta-to-formally-join-obama-inner-circle/2013/12/09/7a4bc430-614f-11e3-bf45-61f69f54fc5f_story.html" target="_blank"> http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/john-podesta-to-formally-join-obama-inner-circle/2013/12/09/7a4bc430-614f-11e3-bf45-61f69f54fc5f_story.html

(3) http://swampland.time.com/2013/12/10/podesta-and-obama-disagree/?iid=tsmodule


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/is-ufo-disclosure-on-the-plate-of-john-podesta_n_4428119.html


http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/01/15/obama-appoints-ufo-disclosure-advocate-into-administration/


Scientists say the United Nations needs to form a Supra-Earth division, to prepare the world for alien contact.

http://ivarfjeld.com/2011/01/12/scientists-urge-un-to-prepare-for-alien-invasion/


Scientists are saying the aliens may not be friendly and we need to prepare. The scientist comments are from the Philosophical Transactions of The Royal Society. They discuss the biology and anatomy aspects as well as how religion would be affected world-wide.

Professor John Zarnecki of the Open University and Dr Martin Dominik of the University of St Andrews agree that chaos can be avoided if there is global cooperation in forming an international political body to head up the job. They agree that a body already exists within the UN, the Committe on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space (http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/oosa/COPUOS/copuos.html).

Read the rest here> http://ivarfjeld.com/2011/01/12/scientists-urge-un-to-prepare-for-alien-invasion/
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 23rd, 2014, 7:37pm »

“It is time for the government to declassify records that are more than 25 years old, and to provide scientists with data that will assist in determining the real nature of this phenomenon”. – Johan Podesta (3)



That I can agree with. It's time we weeded out all the craziness and weird tales and nonsense so we can get at some real truth.
There are so many bizarre theories and cults out there in the ufo circus that it's become impossible to investigate the enigma in any meaningful way to determine signal from noise.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 23rd, 2014, 7:50pm »

I hope this is clear enough for you all- Oldtimer

The Disclosure Project

View it all here>http://www.disclosureproject.org/











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« Reply #3 on: Jul 23rd, 2014, 8:39pm »

Now before you all start, I know there has been many coming out to expose and debunk "the Disclosure Project". I also do not buy into their packaged program. My point is just that I had been saying such a positive message of the "alien agenda" would be comming and it is not finished. There will be another coming and this time from the "aliens" themselves but with a lot more power and deception behind it. And you thought I was buying into it for a while didn't you. Not a chance.

Despite what you may think you have now seen and heard from those within the human race that have and are happily working with the "aliens".

That is why it is now more important than ever that everything about UFOs, "aliens" and abductions needs to be made public!

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« Reply #4 on: Jul 24th, 2014, 12:08pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2014, 8:39pm, Oldtimer wrote:
Now before you all start, I know there has been many coming out to expose and debunk "the Disclosure Project". I also do not buy into their packaged program. My point is just that I had been saying such a positive message of the "alien agenda" would be comming and it is not finished. There will be another coming and this time from the "aliens" themselves but with a lot more power and deception behind it. And you thought I was buying into it for a while didn't you. Not a chance.

Despite what you may think you have now seen and heard from those within the human race that have and are happily working with the "aliens".

That is why it is now more important than ever that everything about UFOs, "aliens" and abductions needs to be made public!



An able politician will take votes from anybody, Oldtimer. From gays, folks on welfare, from the hispanic community. Why not a few more from the UFO community smiley?

Anyhows I seem to understand that UFOs (mmm.. that is UNIDENTIFIED flying objects) are not classified. Unless they clearly prove to be alien craft (which would make them IDENTIFIED, ATS and thus disappeared/poof - gone!).

Abductees may publish their stories at will, that is, if they can stand the ridicule & character assassination. There's no lack of abduction reports to peruse and consider.

Real alien visitors to Earth are off limits, vital national security information that we only see as the blackout lines in UFO studies. They're smoke, just not there. And if you think they're there you're funny, or able to prove it... well: not so good for health.

My point. Aliens are off limits to presidents too.

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on Jul 24th, 2014, 1:43pm, ZETAR wrote:
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Yes, ZETAR, insulation, compartmentalization, deniability (so presidents/prime ministers may avoid telling lies knowingly and then be found out!) all make sense.

There's a problem though.

The secret keepers aren't evil/insane, just trying to maintain functional government while real aliens fly overhead.

Those observing, filming/photographing alien/ET flying saucers aren't crazy either. Nor are terrified abductees.

IF both 'sides' are doing what they believe is right, this means that govenments RATIONALLY believe the world public 'can't handle the truth'.

Now I worry what that truth might be.


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« Reply #7 on: Jul 24th, 2014, 7:42pm »

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YA REALLY THINK IT'S A "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH SCENARIO" OR RATHER VESTED INTERESTS WOULD TEMPER ANY DECISION ~ WHAT ONE SHOULD QUESTION IS WHETHER ANY REASONABLE "GREY AREA - PUN INTENDED" WHEREIN REASONABLE MINDS MAY MEET ~ THE HENRY CLAY COMPROMISE APPROACH ~ DON'T CHA KNOW ~ grin OUTSIDE THE EXTREME PREJUDICE OF FEAR MONGERING AND LIMITED IMAGINATION...

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YA REALLY THINK IT'S A "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH SCENARIO" OR RATHER VESTED INTERESTS WOULD TEMPER ANY DECISION ~ WHAT ONE SHOULD QUESTION IS WHETHER ANY REASONABLE "GREY AREA - PUN INTENDED" WHEREIN REASONABLE MINDS MAY MEET ~ THE HENRY CLAY COMPROMISE APPROACH ~ DON'T CHA KNOW ~ grin OUTSIDE THE EXTREME PREJUDICE OF FEAR MONGERING AND LIMITED IMAGINATION...

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ZETAR, imo from a perspective of practicality, there's no degree of difference between governments' belief 'we can't handle the truth' and vested interests (stable economy, government & society) being threatened by public knowledge of alien visitors. In both cases the cost to the Powers That Be is incalculable. I foresee lynchings: The People do not like being LIED to, or past assassinations to maintain the secrecy, or having been abandoned to hostile ET who probe in dark places.

Mums the word here...

You and I and many here are reasonable minds who meet. (There always are A FEW GOOD MEN/WOMEN.) But there's not enough of the reasonable to prevent the world exploding in outrage if the truth ever gets out.


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« Reply #9 on: Jul 25th, 2014, 2:00pm »

HANDLE THE TRUTH? My father used to say: "You never know...until you know!" I can think up excuses until the cows come home why not to disclose information on UFO's. But saying and knowing are two entirely different things. Saying they can't handle the truth is conjecture, knowing is factual. The truth is we don't know either. You can't run it past a focus group and get a proof positive answer how everyone will react.

Of course some will be shocked, some may even shrug their shoulders, some may be frightened, some may even be outraged at the betrayal. Eventually all will accept it or end their life. They'll have no other choices.
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Maybe some UFO-related stuff has something to do with an extraterrestrial presence. I don't know, but the following points stand one way or the other, and I wish they would receive more attention within the UFO community.

A primary problem with formal official explanations related to UFOs is that a certain amount of the classified material, if declassified, would prove to compromise ongoing operations while having nothing to do with an ET presence. A percentage of classified operations, whatever that percentage would be, would have nothing whatsoever to do with inexplicable aerial phenomena, much less aliens, but would prove to be quite human-instigated intelligence operations. Such circumstances cannot be declassified or even selectively discussed without damaging security of those and related operations.

If the powers that be were to officially acknowledge and disclose any cases that they could honestly categorize as unidentified or truly unknown phenomena, by doing so they would, by default, identify cases of which they were covertly responsible. Like, if the DoD laid all their UFO cards on the table and disclosed they had no idea what happened at Rendelsham or whatever, they would in effect be saying they were responsible for Stephensville (if they refused to declassify Stephensville, for instance).

It's not going to happen, people. There is no advantage whatsoever to an intelligence agency informing its adversaries of what it has and has not been doing. Forget about it.

My larger point, though, is that I would appreciate such dynamics getting their share of attention, as compared to activists pretending they can't even think of such circumstances. It's arguably both ignorant and disingenuous.
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So what you are saying is the U.S. Government is competent enough to run the classified programs but not competent enough to release what they know about any actual UFOs without compromising those classified programs. An interesting dichotomy you have going on there. One would think that those responsible for "Black Projects" and Advanced Avionics Projects would be capable of separating their projects from any reports of actual UFO reports but then maybe they are not capable of doing their jobs. Your excuses are not logical in a security based protocol of modern day standards. Deniability can be maintained while revealing unconnected case revelations by competent personnel. A blanket denial in the face of an ever increasing foreign government admission and/or document disclosure is neither a rational or logical response.

Time will tell if the U.S. Government can maintain their blanket denials for much longer. I say they cannot.
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on Jul 25th, 2014, 4:05pm, Oldtimer wrote:
So what you are saying is the U.S. Government is competent enough to run the classified programs but not competent enough to release what they know about any actual UFOs without compromising those classified programs.


No, that is not what I said.
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One would think that those responsible for "Black Projects" and Advanced Avionics Projects would be capable of separating their projects from any reports of actual UFO reports but then maybe they are not capable of doing their jobs. Your excuses are not logical in a security based protocol of modern day standards.



I think the UFO blanket is used for cover for the black projects. To separate them from actual UFO reports I can only assume would not benefit them. Right now I'm sure they're using the UFO phenomena to hide behind. To be honest it's perfect cover, not that I like or agree with the practice but I do understand it.
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